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On June 12 2018 14:31 fuba wrote:
Idk, HF is playing way different this game than last game - though I guess he doesn't have the impetus of an inevitable scummate lynch, so the situation might be different. And I didn't notice him being any different last game until d2/d3.
Still think rayn town. Kita prob town, but I can't remember playing with them before.
Holyflare did absolutely nothing after D1 in the last game aside from the okay Koshi case. The most damning thing after D1 was him letting the LS lynch go uncontested (when the guy was confirmed town for him).
kitaman is not town. can you please go and read what i have wrote on him and actually think about it?
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What do you think fuba? I caught Holyflare because he didn't show certainty in his reads and didn't attack me for a post he should have attacked me for last game. I think the shit he is pushing on me is very very bad, because anyone who knows me and especially my "grudges" with Palmar shouldn't really think i am mafia for what Holyflare says. It really is true, the bad thing is i could actually think Holyflare is this tunneled and terrible, he often acts like a lawyer where he finds something (usually terrible) and is completely unwilling to see any other way than his self-created narrative and he chooses to make everything and anything fit to it. I don't know, i would expect him to act exactly like this if he was mafia aswell. The important thing is he is completely unwilling to see things from other people's perspective. It is very hard to tell here, but this dayphase should tell more because the night kill actually helps me a lot in solving this game. I do not see many people making the kill.
Like umm.. what i said before is best explained by maybe this:
Holyflare shouted ,right after the lynch that fuba, grackaroni, and mocsta are mafia. All those people defended me or at least voted for Palmar straight or indirectly contributed to his lynch over mine. HF claims "it's not a point of you dfefended rayn" and "i am not making a call on your alignment based on rayn's", but when you actually go and ask yourself;
"if rayn is town why does mafia![insert any of the names here] do what they did?"
you are never going to find an answer more likely than that they are just town. never. HF just cuts corners and can be very persuasive. It is sometimes the curse of his town game, when he is wrong, but it is also why he is so good as mafia. It is hard to tell, but it's okay, i am quite sure i can tell his alignment confidently by the end of this phase. Doesn't matter to me if i am lynched or not. 
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On June 12 2018 14:34 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2018 14:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 12 2018 14:25 Mocsta wrote:On June 12 2018 14:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yes is that purely by association with kita? no, he just came out of a game where he played quite townie. I would assume he would try to emulate that as mafia since he sure as hell is capable of it. Also the eod1 incriminates him for those black-and-white thinkers (which this game is apparently full of) and there is not really any scum reason for him to do what he did unless he wants to gain my trust which isn't really hot fuzz atm. you are writing very clear, but i am having trouble following the thought process. I concluded before that grack may have tried to hammer you. Him and fuba had identical timestamps. so it was happenstance that palmar was lynched. HF either ignores this or was not aware of it in his beat-down of grack. But, i dont understand how that assists with gaining your trust? i can only muster 3 reasons for his odd EoD play. 1 = townie-ish. On the basis of being a stronger town lean, save palmar (via voting rayn) 2 = scummy-ish. Avoid a dead vote on someone with no substantiation. 3 = neutral. Genuinely wanted shennanies. I dont think the post-reaction supports #3 at all.
I don't really care when he voted for me. I care about the fact that he unvoted and voted for iamperfection because that already includes him having some sort of thought process at the time. Like if he is mafia at this time he doesn't wanna be on my mislynch which is clearly retarded line of thought since if he had just voted for me or kept his vote on me or whatever noone would have blamed him for that. What grackaroni did not only opened the situation up for someone (in this case it was fuba) to save me, and ALSO he looks terrible after the lynch where ever his vote is by the end of the day.
It jsut doesn't make any sense for him to act like he did when he could just have simply voted for me, gained a better result result wise, and gained a better result in town cred wise.
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Sure you can make the argument that i am mafia and he wanted to be on the right side of the things but still not lynch me, i can't make that argument since i am not mafia.
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I am sorry i just don't think Grackaroni is mafia.
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note to self; after work go and see how holyflare treats his scumbuddies when he doesn't "have to" do anything regarding them. I noticed the only people holyflare never talks in any way about are kitaman and iamperfection, i find that weird especially towards iamperfection who is just a trashcan and that's not really his reputation as town.
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Yeah i am slightly reconsidering my stance on KSC. I also find it weird there is zero things on Rels but that makes perfect sense since Rels is right and you wouldn't wanna fight that, just better let it be there and forgotten (from mafia perspective).
tubesock and slendy are non-factors here since they have posted a total amount of zero since hf's last post.
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*had posted a total amount of zero before hf's last post
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Your read on me is 100x worse than my read on Palmar.
So, am i still mafia or what?
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Lynch him on D4 when hr is not dead.
##unvote
##vote Holyflare
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Well i am not going to have time before midnight, so there is that. I'll try to make a post before deadline.
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So, i got home a bit earlier than i thought.
I strongly believe 2 out of the trio of HF/kitaman/iamperfection are mafia.
I have said everything i have on iamperfection, there is not really much to say. We are talking about a dude who has only once been mislynched as town and even that was the joke of a game where all townies basically killed themselves (and Mocsta killed a couple of medics) and me and kita just yoloed iamperfection lynch just because... Fun times. But the point is the dude is actually good at playing town adn can't play as mafia even if his life depended on it. So probably mafia.
Here is why Holyflare is probably mafia.
On June 12 2018 16:26 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2018 16:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Your read on me is 100x worse than my read on Palmar.
So, am i still mafia or what? Well I've based my read on you on facts and what you did this game. You've based your read on clearly false meta that was obviously terrible. You're not in a position to criticise. Nk says you are. Gut says probably not.
This makes absolutely zero sense in any world. The only things that have changed after D1 regarding me is that Palmar flipped town (should not look better on me), and Superbia died (HF himself says this points towards me). Why does his gut say i am town? It is simply unbelieveable because his gut should never in any world say i am more likely to be town than on D1.
Second thing, "kita is scum that's all i have to say". Let's look at the D2. What has Holyflare done regarding this read of his. Yeah, absolutely nothing, except for vote and wants to now lynch the person who has been on kitaman all game long. Note that this could be a reason why his "gut could say i am town" but if that doesn't apply to Mocsta it cannot possibly apply to me aswell. Standard mafia play, do nothing with your reads you were so "confident" in.
Third thing is HF very well knows iamperfection's reputation. Funny fact is he is accusing me of "not lynching your top scumread" and then voting for fucking Mocsta (who is btw town) over a trashcan player. Fucking unbelieveable how he can work against his own standards (which also btw don't apply to me just fyi).
Very very likely to be mafia.
kitaman is scum for this.
On June 11 2018 14:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:I'll try to make a couple of these reads more understandable. Normally when you search for mafia you question things and search for answers for what you feel like you don't understand or can't make a decision on. Then you make a decision and act on it. What kitaman does is he already has found his answer (and i am not talking about if he is right or wrong because townies can be wrong ofc -- but the important part is he clearly has found an answer) but after that he is still trying to look like he is looking for answers. That's not a way townies ever operate in this game. No matter how good or bad you are it's just not a way you operate, ever. I understand what you are saying about strength of votes Mocsta, but that is something i am not talking about here. I am mostly talking about this post: Show nested quote +When you said that Palmar's post couldn't have been genuine it read more like "I haven't posted anything wrong yet so he can't possibly have caught me". Your claim that the initial Palmar post was relevant scumhunting doesn't carry much weight considering the comment was made in passing and you don't directly confront him until now after 3-4 people start pressuring you. Read this post very carefully. That is a scumread. If this is your read, and you believe it, why do you ever feel like you need to reconsider. He earlier said he wanted me to explain my stance. At that point the votes on me had already happened, so how can whatever i say change his mind??? There is simply no answer i can give that should make him think oterwise he says in this post, so why ask the question in the first place? It doesn't make any sense. Second instance is the one where he asks Palmar about his read on me. Two things to note here: 1) The thing i quoted above is already what he thinks, and there is no way i am mafia with Palmar, again a completely pointless question he cannot possibly achieve anything from 2) Let's imagine (1) is incorrect and he thinks he can actually gain something from Palmar's answer. Palmar answers with a one-liner post that doesn't show anything but ignorance towards the game. Where does this "reconsidering my reads" that kitaman so roots for ever show? Absolutely nowhere, he never even touches Palmar's answer with a long stick while that is the KEY POINT to where he stands in this game regarding reads and if he is right or wrong. I call fucking bullshit.
Same thing happens with Slendy. kitaman expects and asks him for his read on me. The answer is (like Palmar's on D1 to him) never ever pleasing in any way, yet he doesn't take that anywhere, nor does he call the person mafia. Once again i call bullshit. Same thing with Grack, he ask something about an explanation of my read on him and it never goes anywhere. The dude is fucking filled with useless crap that apparently never leads anywhere in his mind.
This is what kitaman's play looks like in this game:
kita 5yrs old: "mommyy i want a lollipoooooop!!!!"
mom: "no dear, we can't buy you a lollipop here"
kita 5yrs old: "MOOOMMMYYY YOU ARE EVILLLL I HATE YOU!!!!"
mom: "you can't have a lollipop here sweetie"
kita 5yrs old: "But why mom?"
mom: "because they don't sell lollipops in this store"
kita 5yrs old: "MOOOMMMYYY I WANT A LOLLIPOOOOOP YOU ARE EVILLLL I HATE YOU!!!!"
Maybe a five year old cannot comprehend answers, make decisions or rethink his reads based on them, or as another option asks completely useless questions that aren't even leading them anywhere because he already knows he wants a lollipop and no lollipop means war in any case, but i don't think kitaman is 5 years old anymore.
So yeah there is that.
I know i am like 90% wrong on one of those people but i simply have no time to figure it out anymore and almost everyone wants to lynch something retarded or are not playing apparently....
Koshi can still be mafia although i agree his latest post look slightly better. Too bad they still don't contribute anything to the game.
Fuck you Rels for not playing. You're town but still fuck you. Am i surprised? No.
Slendy can easily be mafia. Based on this post:
On June 12 2018 08:34 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Gun to my head I'd say rayn's Town but I'm not feeling confident about him yet. I can actually see why Palmar would be legit convinced that rayn's start was a scum one. I also want to mention that the possibility of a kitaman-rayn Scum-duo is something my gut finds plausible.
Alas, been nursing a fairly epic hangover so it's not just rayn I "don't feel confident about" after the first readthrough.
I see a lot of interactions that SEEM like they should help PoE possible Scummiosi. OTOH, I have the recollection that over here players tend to be very aggressive bussers?
Regardless of that, many of the questions I have will have clearer answers to them after a more sober re-read and some real-time D2 discussion.
Some brief random thoughts: the way Rels talked about rayn in the in-and-out-of-the-Thread -post actually makes me suspect he's Town. rayn is the person I'd assume busyTown!Rels to "sheep" like that.
Fuba's tone during N1 makes him the person I'd Vote right now if I wasn't feeling too damn tired to open the official Vote-thread.
Couldn't remember a single post by Superbia as I saw the PC-post so that probably means the Scummiosi are Power Role -hunting.
iamperfection hasn't been posting much but the lack of the luster rings Town to me.
Holyflare I like as Town.
Grackaroni, Mocksta, Koshi and kitaman are players who trouble me moreso than the ones not mentioned.
There are a couple of things that bother me a great deal.
- First one is the " I can actually see why Palmar would be legit convinced that rayn's start was a scum one". What's the point? Who cares what he thinks about this since Palmar has already flipped? I have a really hard time seeing him making this comment as town.
- Then there is the "the possibility of a kitaman-rayn Scum-duo is something my gut finds plausible". No no no. I have a very hard time seeing him making this comment as town.
I know this guy personally, and he doesn't seem town rn.
Kelsier is a ?-mark.
Other people are town. And fuck you all for telling me i can't - or there is no reason - townread someone. Or even fucking worse when i give my reasoning tell the thread it's not a reasoning (i want to lynch kitaman for this the most). If you're town HF you can go to your own corner and learn how to read people like Superbia and fuba.
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##unvote
##vote kitaman27
This is always the best lynch. Holyflare should be dead already, if Holyflare does not die in the next 2 nights just straight out lynch him. There are literally very few reasons (that are bad) why a guy who is townread by 11 other players during N1 does not die and the one bad reason has been now excluded from the pool. So yeah, murder HF D4 if he is alive (unless he has lynched 2 mafia which is impossible with his current vote btw).
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I jsut want to point this out:
On June 12 2018 05:23 Holyflare wrote:
Kita is probably mafia, that's all I have to say.
On June 13 2018 15:52 Holyflare wrote:
Mocsta/fuba are probably our best lynches today. I'd edge towards fuba personally.
On June 13 2018 16:50 Holyflare wrote:
Maybe mocsta actually
On June 14 2018 03:18 Holyflare wrote:
I voted mocsta because even though iamp is probably the correct lynch, mocsta is the more deserved lynch that would make me feel better.
sure bro.
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On June 14 2018 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:I jsut want to point this out: Show nested quote +On June 12 2018 05:23 Holyflare wrote:
Kita is probably mafia, that's all I have to say. Show nested quote +On June 13 2018 15:52 Holyflare wrote:
Mocsta/fuba are probably our best lynches today. I'd edge towards fuba personally. Show nested quote +On June 14 2018 03:18 Holyflare wrote:
I voted mocsta because even though iamp is probably the correct lynch, mocsta is the more deserved lynch that would make me feel better. sure bro.
Note that this is an actual denial to follow what one says he believes earlier instead of HF's D1 bullshit crap fucking ass case on me.
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Oh yeah i forgot one thing.
The pool of kita/HF/iamp/slendy/(kelsier) never really comment on any of the other people in that group (yeah i know HF called kita scum but you can probably see why that doesn't count -- slendy also "called kita scum", i put that on quotation marks because he just gave some weird list idk where that is supposed to lead). I understand there is not much to comment on iamp/slendy/kelsier, but kita especially addressed slendy, and i would think both kita and HF would have at least fucking interacted with each other ONCE in the game lol in case they were town.
HF/kita/iamp 2 mafia
slendy (most likely)/kelsier/koshi(least likely) 1 mafia
everyone else is town.
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I will also say that Mocsta is a terrible lynch and if you are town you should not be voting there.
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Holyflare should not expect me to have killed Superbia because i would honestly kill any other person in the game over Superbia and Rels N1, 100%. If i am mafia i was making them "my allies" and i would never ever shoot Superbia. There are these people who could kill Superbia if Holyflare is not mafia.
Rest of my scumlist + Mocsta, but Mocsta is not mafia.
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Koshi only because he is afk, Kshi himself deciding a kill would not shoot Superbia.
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EPT
