EPTOn June 11 2018 07:58 Grackaroni wrote:
I'd rather lynch rayn than Palmar. That's why I'm not switching.
I'd rather lynch rayn than Palmar. That's why I'm not switching.
"so I won't vote rayn".........?
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On June 11 2018 05:20 fuba wrote: And I'm talking about rayn so much because I feel he's town. What's bad about not wanting a mislynch? On June 11 2018 07:58 fuba wrote: Mmmm... Also this guy who had been voting me the entire time despite the wagons being this close for a long while and only appeared at deadline to vote palmar. | ||
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On June 11 2018 07:31 Mocsta wrote: try hard vote. its parsed to meaningless fluff the content and appear more "analytical" that what it is mafia know the most info day1 and when coupled with our level of play leads this towards a town tell. intentional twisting from kita. mafia!kitamin presenting a damned if you do, damned if you dont argument. its a core facet of the game to confront ppl hunting you. kitamin calls this scummy on the pretense of 3-4 others pressuring.. well fuck me, thats about as standard play as you can get.. why is this now leaning?? scum!kita.. thats why + future point. acknowledges slender is a friend of rayn. Is actively hunting rayn, so i suspect should be asking for rayn for feedback if slender posts content also this guy for possibly the most misconstrued case I've seen but then he votes on palmar????? On June 11 2018 07:46 Mocsta wrote: ##Vote: Palmar point 1 means nothing point 2 is wrong and he hasn't misconstrued anything... kita calling out a pre-game post with an in game post isn't scummy but mocsta tried to point it that way and then mocsta has somehow misconstrued that rebuttal yet again into some kind of town read when kita calls mocsta mafia? Don't even know what this point mocsta has stated even is point 3 is tripe because of course it's damned if you do, damned if you don't, it's an accusatory post because rayn did not do something that any reasonable townie with a scum read should do, that is push the point and get your target lynched so also bad point point 4 is bad because slender has posted absolutely nothing and it's entirely redundant so why did he have to join a wagon between palmar and rayn at all?????????????????? | ||
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votes palmar because of some bs off hand comment and he's "definitely mafia" no follow up on kita read, no questioning of palmar, just kill palmar plz | ||
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On June 11 2018 08:16 kitaman27 wrote: At least fuba is consistent for favoring a Palmar vote over rayn. What did you even mean grack when you said "That's why I'm not switching."? That looks really sketchy. Yes, it's consistent, sure. The strength of his read is way TOO sure that Rayn is town over a point I don't think he ever can possibly think. He simultaneously says that his read isn't that strong and won't last till late game (which gives him an out) but goes to such great lengths to defend Rayn that it's absurd. He even said "What's so bad about not wanting a mislynch?" Too blatant. | ||
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On June 11 2018 08:22 Mocsta wrote: right HF. keep being big mommy and berating everyone. you're just as bad as kita. damned if you do, damned if you don't. what, so i am the only one voting kita and then you would say why i wasted my vote. we dont even know rayn alignment and you are shitting on everyone. GTFO. the only post i have somewhat respect for is #201. keep that up pls. I am not berating everyone. I am berating specifically the people that have had no opinion or an exaggerated opinion of someone (such as yourself) and have done something that is scummy. Your kita case was extremely poor and not in a townie way. It's not that you misinterpreted anything, it's that you have taken specifically non-scummy posts and tried to misconstrue them to be scummy actions. Not only that but if your case is against kitamin and that he is mafia then naturally your vote would always be siding WITH rayn but never ever do you cite that rayn has a case against kita or that it's a good point in his favour. Instead, you just say meek things like "Oh, palmar had a lightly scummy post against kita... that's bad" and "rayn is ride or die with his reads, no scum would do that!" The above are just basic mafia faux pas that I see quite consistently. You're not thinking from a perspective about finding people that agree with you and narrowing things down, you're seeing the black and white and trying to blend in with what you think SHOULD be said. Then there's Grack. He's afkd the majority of the game (I mean, who hasn't?) but he returns and says that he'd rather vote rayn than palmar after literally just voting iamperfection. + Show Spoiler [grack filter] + On June 11 2018 01:02 Grackaroni wrote: I don't actually. I was just matching shit post for shit post. I don't have any reads atm, but I haven't read the new Rayn stuff yet. Superbia is on the list because he made the shit post. Palmar because he makes me laugh and I find his name funny, so I like to include Palmar in lists. On June 11 2018 01:35 Grackaroni wrote: Weird thing to me - Rayn is making a lot of smiley faces this game. I think this calls for some meta-investigations. On June 11 2018 01:38 Grackaroni wrote: After a thorough skimming of 3 filters, my conclusion is that Rayn makes a lot of smiley faces. Carry on folks. On June 11 2018 02:05 Grackaroni wrote: I think I'm going to go with a Koshi vote though I don't feel too strongly about it. The only person I like so far is Fuba. On June 11 2018 02:18 Grackaroni wrote: Nope I honestly can't decide. Instead I think I'll just attach my vote directly behind wherever Fuba's vote goes. Think carefully Mr. Fuba. I am counting on you. On June 11 2018 07:48 Grackaroni wrote: It's SHENNANNY time people On June 11 2018 07:50 Grackaroni wrote: I voted perfect. On June 11 2018 07:58 Grackaroni wrote: I'd rather lynch rayn than Palmar. That's why I'm not switching. On June 11 2018 07:58 Grackaroni wrote: Thought I'm not sure what Rayn is. On June 11 2018 08:06 Grackaroni wrote: err uhh... Yeah that one's on me. On June 11 2018 08:31 Grackaroni wrote: I wasn't really crazy about either of the lynches so I said that anticipating criticism of Rayn being lynched over Palmar and me throwing away my vote instead of voting a main wagon. His justification is that he was "pre-empting" rayn being lynched and him not being on the wagon. So, he thought rayn was actually being lynched and he was ALREADY pre-justifying not killing rayn. For what reason does he ever need to post that other than him caring about how he looks? He's literally at 0 content, likes the guy that has hard defended rayn (even though 90% of grack's filter is "digging" about rayn's meta (can you even call that one post digging?) and he wanted to lynch rayn (so why does he like fuba when fuba is definitely not the fuba of last game? who actually knows?). | ||
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On June 11 2018 08:36 Holyflare wrote: I am not berating everyone. I am berating specifically the people that have had no opinion or an exaggerated opinion of someone (such as yourself) and have done something that is scummy. Your kita case was extremely poor and not in a townie way. It's not that you misinterpreted anything, it's that you have taken specifically non-scummy posts and tried to misconstrue them to be scummy actions. Not only that but if your case is against kitamin and that he is mafia then naturally your vote would always be siding WITH rayn but never ever do you cite that rayn has a case against kita or that it's a good point in his favour. Instead, you just say meek things like "Oh, palmar had a lightly scummy post against kita... that's bad" and "rayn is ride or die with his reads, no scum would do that!" The above are just basic mafia faux pas that I see quite consistently. You're not thinking from a perspective about finding people that agree with you and narrowing things down, you're seeing the black and white and trying to blend in with what you think SHOULD be said. Then there's Grack. He's afkd the majority of the game (I mean, who hasn't?) but he returns and says that he'd rather vote rayn than palmar after literally just voting iamperfection. + Show Spoiler [grack filter] + On June 11 2018 01:02 Grackaroni wrote: I don't actually. I was just matching shit post for shit post. I don't have any reads atm, but I haven't read the new Rayn stuff yet. Superbia is on the list because he made the shit post. Palmar because he makes me laugh and I find his name funny, so I like to include Palmar in lists. On June 11 2018 01:35 Grackaroni wrote: Weird thing to me - Rayn is making a lot of smiley faces this game. I think this calls for some meta-investigations. On June 11 2018 01:38 Grackaroni wrote: After a thorough skimming of 3 filters, my conclusion is that Rayn makes a lot of smiley faces. Carry on folks. On June 11 2018 02:05 Grackaroni wrote: I think I'm going to go with a Koshi vote though I don't feel too strongly about it. The only person I like so far is Fuba. On June 11 2018 02:18 Grackaroni wrote: Nope I honestly can't decide. Instead I think I'll just attach my vote directly behind wherever Fuba's vote goes. Think carefully Mr. Fuba. I am counting on you. On June 11 2018 07:48 Grackaroni wrote: It's SHENNANNY time people On June 11 2018 07:50 Grackaroni wrote: I voted perfect. On June 11 2018 07:58 Grackaroni wrote: I'd rather lynch rayn than Palmar. That's why I'm not switching. On June 11 2018 07:58 Grackaroni wrote: Thought I'm not sure what Rayn is. On June 11 2018 08:06 Grackaroni wrote: err uhh... Yeah that one's on me. On June 11 2018 08:31 Grackaroni wrote: I wasn't really crazy about either of the lynches so I said that anticipating criticism of Rayn being lynched over Palmar and me throwing away my vote instead of voting a main wagon. His justification is that he was "pre-empting" rayn being lynched and him not being on the wagon. So, he thought rayn was actually being lynched and he was ALREADY pre-justifying not killing rayn. For what reason does he ever need to post that other than him caring about how he looks? He's literally at 0 content, likes the guy that has hard defended rayn (even though 90% of grack's filter is "digging" about rayn's meta (can you even call that one post digging?) and he wanted to lynch rayn (so why does he like fuba when fuba is definitely not the fuba of last game? who actually knows?). Ah, and the other player I was "berating" was Fuba, who has called Rayn town for talking in absolutes but when questioned on how he formed this read and contradicted his formation of this read with actual evidence the read shifts to simply "oh, he's just town anyway". On June 11 2018 01:55 fuba wrote: I overestimated the amount of time I'd have to play this morning :/ Still don't think rayn is scum. Nor Kita. Wary of voting palmar this early cuz if he's town he could solve the game, but I guess that applies to half the people in this game. My HF vote was a joke, but I'm not sure about him atm either (don't really have a read of him). I'd probably be up for voting most of the other people on the list tho :/ To elaborate somewhat on rayn - I think his reactions after being voted are pretty townie, and I tend to find absolutes when defending yourself to be a townie trait. Like "there's no way that's a scum tell because I said it and I'm town". Won't hold up over the course of the game, but for now it's enough for me to town read him. Left his reasoning super open to back off of it later. When contradicted with actual evidence of someone doing something that he town read rayn for as mafia he just says: On June 11 2018 05:12 fuba wrote: Did you? I don't recall. Guess there's something else about rayn that makes me feel that way. *Shrugs* Guess he has another reason to town read rayn instead? His whole principle for calling someone town has just been contradicted and it's "oh, guess it must be something else that I've never mentioned, whoops!". Yet, when other people vote rayn his whole world of reasoning because even MORE flimsy??? On June 11 2018 01:57 fuba wrote: Though having just seen the vote count - that's a lot of pretty good players on one person... Unless they're all scum (or even 2/3 of them are scum) I could just be wrong :S 90% of Fuba's filter is defending rayn based on flimsy argumentation. He even flip flops on this read based on absolutely nothing but then goes straight back to "I think rayn is town, I should defend this mislynch." It doesn't make the slightest bit of sense and reads very forced. | ||
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On June 11 2018 08:51 Mocsta wrote: #208 regarding me is highly superficial i have discussed rayns kita read. In fact, theres probably 3-4 posts between me + rayn on it. how have I misconstrued anything? for someone that is talking about finding information to narrow things down, you are doing a heck of job of predetermining outcomes. secondly. regarding mafia faux pas, and its converse = town mentality. The only person in my opinion that has actively tried to narrow down things beyond early game is rayn. your #1 target. Since the palmar flip, you can paint your posts in whatever colours you want. The facts remain. You have demonstrated zero disposition to reconsider rayn content. You have demonstrated zero disposition to consider people outside rayn. You have demonstrated disposition towards berating those that did not vote rayn. There is too little content in the game to be tunneled. I find this scummy. #207 is outright stupid. Why should i be focused on team pairings. Associations is always POST FLIP. I thought kita was meant to be an analytical player? How have you misconstrued anything? Let's get started then: On June 09 2018 20:30 Mocsta wrote: Y so srs hf? Lemme give you top tip kita is mafia for going to the effort of splitting kelsier post into mini quotes BiG job right thurr.. and for what??? You call kita mafia for a blatantly joke post based on a pre-game post of Keliser's. You always talked about damned if you do, damned if you don't but you don't give any credit that a town Kita could just want to have fun by taking the piss out of a pre-game non-alignment determining kelsier post. On June 09 2018 23:33 Mocsta wrote: Lol. Koshi calling rels town ?!?!? Koshi has only called Rels mafia and will forever likely call Rels mafia. On June 10 2018 00:08 Mocsta wrote: Yo ksc Keep belittling your own posts bro Supa townie, amirite Keliser has not belittled his own posts at any point in this game. + Show Spoiler [this whole misconstrued case] + On June 11 2018 07:31 Mocsta wrote: try hard vote. its parsed to meaningless fluff the content and appear more "analytical" that what it is mafia know the most info day1 and when coupled with our level of play leads this towards a town tell. intentional twisting from kita. mafia!kitamin presenting a damned if you do, damned if you dont argument. its a core facet of the game to confront ppl hunting you. kitamin calls this scummy on the pretense of 3-4 others pressuring.. well fuck me, thats about as standard play as you can get.. why is this now leaning?? scum!kita.. thats why + future point. acknowledges slender is a friend of rayn. Is actively hunting rayn, so i suspect should be asking for rayn for feedback if slender posts content On June 11 2018 08:22 Mocsta wrote: right HF. keep being big mommy and berating everyone. you're just as bad as kita. damned if you do, damned if you don't. what, so i am the only one voting kita and then you would say why i wasted my vote. we dont even know rayn alignment and you are shitting on everyone. GTFO. the only post i have somewhat respect for is #201. keep that up pls. Saying I'm berating people when in fact I'm actually making cases and points on people but you try and bypass that and misconstrue it into berating when we don't know what rayn flipped. Thing is, we know that Palmar flipped town so even if Rayn flips town then pointing out people that have bad logic or reasoning for their votes is what we should be doing. On June 11 2018 08:51 Mocsta wrote: #208 regarding me is highly superficial i have discussed rayns kita read. In fact, theres probably 3-4 posts between me + rayn on it. how have I misconstrued anything? for someone that is talking about finding information to narrow things down, you are doing a heck of job of predetermining outcomes. secondly. regarding mafia faux pas, and its converse = town mentality. The only person in my opinion that has actively tried to narrow down things beyond early game is rayn. your #1 target. Since the palmar flip, you can paint your posts in whatever colours you want. The facts remain. You have demonstrated zero disposition to reconsider rayn content. You have demonstrated zero disposition to consider people outside rayn. You have demonstrated disposition towards berating those that did not vote rayn. There is too little content in the game to be tunneled. I find this scummy. #207 is outright stupid. Why should i be focused on team pairings. Associations is always POST FLIP. I thought kita was meant to be an analytical player? This entire post is also incredibly misconstrued. I have considered rayn's content and I find it extremely lacking and I mean EXTREMELY. He made a case on kita that made him "definitely mafiaa", that went nowhere and he forgot all about it or certainly didn't want to push it over a palmar read that's based off of one post and shit. He voted Palmar who he knows can't play on a weekend based on absolutely 0 content and said it was a definitive scum read based on nothing. He town read Grack who has posted absolute drivel. He likes Kelsier and Superbia who have also posted absolute drivel. He only really started playing after I called him out and he gained like 4 votes. He berated people at the start of the game for not playing. I have absolutely considered other people outside of rayn which is why I've just been posting about yourself, Grack and Fuba for the past hour. What a terrible thing to write, I can't actually understand how you even think that's correct. I am not berating anyone. I am calling out bad patterns and filters and it just so happens they are people that haven't voted rayn. Voting rayn or not voting rayn means nothing to me in this context since the things I have called these people out for are: A) Nothing to do with them voting rayn. B) Everything to do with their filters and how they have acted with regards to the game. | ||
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On June 11 2018 09:42 Mocsta wrote: #217 stop trying so much and you might see the forest instead of the trees. i didnt mention kita joke post when i was seeking consolidation on him towards EoD. koshi said his first vote would be on town. He voted rels. THis is why i commented, is koshi declaring rels a town read? kelsier belittled his own contribution by claiming it was subject to a skim read. definition of "berate" 100% applies to you. "scold or criticize (someone) angrily." experience says its normally scum that like to shit on player straight after a lynch. In my opinion, you have only considered people outside of rayn in the past hour because you didnt get the lynch you wanted and are now trying to bully those that opposed the o-so-mighty HF. Clearly the next point is conjecture, but i dare surmise that of those you are berating, none were your second lynch option prior to EoD. Your whole beginnings of voting kita are that he called you mafia. He called you mafia because you did some misconstruing of his joke post. You also make this line in your case: mafia know the most info day1 and when coupled with our level of play leads this towards a town tell. intentional twisting from kita. Rels point is fine. Impossible to surmise if this is correct when looking at your filter because you don't adequately explain half the things you write or quote a post to have context to it. Kelsier point is whatever. Fine. Different opinions on belittling. You are confusing berating with renewed vigour. Also your last point is patently false because I've already talked about fuba before. The last two people (you and grack) are because of shady deadline posts that made me look at you (and also because I didn't care about playing until deadline). Of course I'm going to look at people that pushed a town lynch over someone I think was a good lynch and could well be mafia. | ||
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On June 11 2018 17:51 Superbia wrote: Noticed this as well. Some people have thrown some vague shade his way but no one seems to wants to take a real stance regarding his alignment. I'll try to respond some of your posts this evening. Your filter is an example of someone throwing shade iamp's way. Rayn's point is pointless since you're not the only one either. I have no idea why anyone even reads you anything. | ||
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I'll give you a snapshot into my mind. Rayn is mafia Oh look at all these people agreeing with me, that's so cool. Oh palmar lynch is happening fast based on absolutely nothing and only rayn has some kind of meta read on him. Wtf is happening. Look at all these people coming to defend rayn. It's likely my read is mediocre since it's almost guaranteed mafia are defending him but I won't back down until people hard commit to a stance. Look at all these scummy people that opposed the rayn lynch (grack/mocsta/fuba). Ok when I think about kita he's just there, pops into the game every now and again to say irrelevant things and afks again. There's no emotion and no care about being correct. | ||
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I kind of had a stupid idea that the fact tube and slender were afk made them town but that's dumb. I don't hate tube's posts though. The nk is super weird and it makes me think about Mocsta being mafia more and more. Not only does he talk about medic dodging but a Superbia kill effectively gives no information and was imo a waste of a nk since he'd done nothing. | ||
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On June 12 2018 16:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Your read on me is 100x worse than my read on Palmar. So, am i still mafia or what? Well I've based my read on you on facts and what you did this game. You've based your read on clearly false meta that was obviously terrible. You're not in a position to criticise. Nk says you are. Gut says probably not. | ||
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"if rayn is town why does mafia![insert any of the names here] do what they did?" you are never going to find an answer more likely than that they are just town. never. HF just cuts corners and can be very persuasive. It is sometimes the curse of his town game, when he is wrong, but it is also why he is so good as mafia. It is hard to tell, but it's okay, i am quite sure i can tell his alignment confidently by the end of this phase. Doesn't matter to me if i am lynched or not. This is terribly wrong btw. It's exactly how I figure things out always. If I'm convincing enough that it can lure some people onto a wagon on rayn then everyone that opposes it with shitty logic looks worse to me. That's the crux of my scum hunting. It's very egotistical but who cares, it's a high success rate. Doesn't matter what alignment rayn is. If he's mafia they don't want to lynch a partner and if he's town they don't want to look bad and often display tmi. Fuba's reads looked like the prime example of that the entire day which is why I was going so hard on him. Now he's defending me. Who does he really scum read and why though? Who knows. Mocsta just attacked me as a player and my personality rather than really any kind of logic/case. He's like kita but just more active. Posts things that don't lead to much and doesn't care if people acknowledge him or not. Tube(?) made a good comment on why I think grack looks very off. More concerned with blending than speaking his mind. Sure, he knows he looks bad for voting rayn last second but I don't think he'd particularly care and his vote was almost a full minute after fuba's so no risk. | ||
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