[M][N] Elementary Mafia

On May 25 2018 10:59 GlowingBear wrote:


HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LS!

Rayn is forcing it. I'm just having fun

On May 25 2018 11:05 GlowingBear wrote:


I'm just typing as words comes to my mind

I'm kinda euphoric right now

On May 25 2018 12:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Less euphoric now, reading more carefully.

+ Show Spoiler +

I'm no longer okay with you being town.
First I thought "LS has no reason to fake feeling our 'fight' is a bit forced and then flipping his position an calling both of us town", but then I thought "why is he calling me town for a post right after rayn said I was town for the same post?", felt like parroting. I don't know, I have to give this more thought.

LS, you've played with me as scum, didn't you? People never get me as scum day'1 because I am always a heavy poster. I don't know why you think I would be lazy as mafia. Plus "a fuzzy memory" doesn't look like a strong ground to call someone town.

@Rayn: Why am I town for that post? I called it a "shitpost" but you said you really mean it word by word. Is that true?



We can start voting you then, because it's impossible to not have even a weak opinion on my interaction with rayn.

##Unvote
##Vote: Grackaroni

On May 25 2018 13:45 fuba wrote:
I don't think scum has participated heavily yet. No one talking a lot has set off any alarm bells. GB v Rayn feels town v town.

I think GB seems genuine, and I kinda like his reasoning on HF (enough to lean very lightly scum on HF). I'm a fan of jealous's drawings but I can understand rayn voting him for them. I can get behind GB's grack vote, but not for the reason he said. I just think it's pointless to come in and say "I have no thoughts.". I have to reread LS, because I feel like he's posted an ok amount but I can't remember anything he's really said.

My vote would currently be on grack, lurker, or a distant HF.

On May 25 2018 15:48 Holyflare wrote:


This is like 90% why ls isn't town and 5% on grack yet you vote the off hand comment instead. Baaaaad gb.

On May 25 2018 19:32 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think rayn's progression is towny. He goes from calling me mafia for shit reasons (that I didn't call out his post...? Hyper aware) to then calling out gb for also calling me mafia but he doesn't actually weigh up on gb's alignment and instead just attacks gb for an argument that is basically the same thing as his (at least he thought it was so why on earth was he initially attacking it?).

Then he votes jealous and gets mad and talks in codes for absolutely no reason. Looks like his pushes flopped and he's just clutching at straws for a reason to do not much imo.

On May 25 2018 20:06 Rels wrote:

Why are you talking about LS being scum in 99% of your post, then voting another dude ?

On May 25 2018 20:10 Rels wrote:

Don't agree. I don't think the first part makes rayn anything. And for the code part, I think it's absolutely possible that rayn get annoyed and "fight back". For example, he got modkilled to prove a point in Resistance V, where he used the exact wording of BH to make a post that got him modkilled, then tried to show how BH was an hypocrit.

On May 25 2018 20:21 Rels wrote:

not bad, it's true that LS changed his read after rayn did it, then justified it with "fuzzy meta".

On May 25 2018 22:17 LightningStrike wrote:
So you got rel's scum. You also got GB and HF town Koshi. Anything else you want to talk about?

On May 26 2018 03:08 byj wrote:

## unvote
##vote GlowingBear
Now that makes me suspicious of you~
Not because I actually think that LS might be Mafia, but because of your vouching for him makes it look to me like you're trying to get his trust.

On May 26 2018 04:41 Holyflare wrote:
game is stale as fuck

jealous are you just gonna post in 50/50 scenarios all game or you gonna make decision making pictures?

On May 27 2018 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Its his reasoning whhat i have a problem with. If he had said what you just said i wouldnt have a problem with it.

Otherwise Koshi seems fine.

On May 27 2018 00:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
DF i would call scum but lately he has been terrible so maybe he is just terrible here too

On May 27 2018 01:33 Rels wrote:

This is such a scummy post. It's just a lazy list with one-line reasonning on a few reads. It's exactly what I would expect scum with no time or motivation to post.

On May 27 2018 02:52 Holyflare wrote:
let's just lynch grack instead

why is he town?

On May 27 2018 03:01 Rels wrote:
I'm not convinced by this HF case. I've always found the first part very flimsy - HF not reacting to a bait post. Then I don't think the following is true - HF was super laid back too a few games ago where I was convinced he was scum and got him lynched.

On May 27 2018 03:30 Grackaroni wrote:


Cool.

For the record, I don't think this characterizes my play very well at all.

I think I give my fair share of unorthodox reads and try to justify things with my own reasoning, which usually is dependent on the impressions I have of different players.

Though I am pretty lazy.

On May 27 2018 03:54 Rels wrote:

I have no read on Grack.

On May 27 2018 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:



Both of the red parts are based on the assumption that i am town, otherwise it doesn't make any sense, but then:;

So one of the reasons GB is town is because mafia!GB doesn't go after town!rayn (which is also bs btw) but then he doesn't know if i am town or mafia (so why can't like.. we both be mafia for example??).

And this was not an off-hand comment, he even said it TWICE.

On May 27 2018 06:25 Holyflare wrote:
the amount of koshi dodge when there's an actual good case in here is unreal

even the guy that made the case is dodging the vote

On May 27 2018 06:47 LightningStrike wrote:

He said he would play if he thinks rels starts playing like town which means he didn't.

On May 27 2018 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:
I really dislike how this wagon on Koshi was formed.

HF is attacking rayn throughout the entire game
Never votes rayn.
Rayn posts an "outdated" read on Koshi (come on, everybody read those posts and it was also object for discussion)
HF, without reevaluating Rayn, decides he is right and votes for Koshi

Then people pile up for absolute no reason. Fuba decided OH THAT WAS A GOOD CASE, LS brings a very flimsy reason to vote Koshi which I heavily dislike (and makes me lean scum on him).

This wagon doesn't sound right at all.

On May 27 2018 07:12 Grackaroni wrote:
I think you're pretty heavily mafia siding Holyflare.

I think I gave a more defensible argument for voting Jealous than either Lightningstrike or Fuba gave for voting Koshi. And my list was pretty clearly superior to DF's in terms of reasoning even though there wasn't any scum reads at the bottom of it.

On May 28 2018 08:51 LightningStrike wrote:

That would be a dumb thing to do for Koshi because why put all the attention on you after your scum mate got lynched Day 1? It's a stupid play for Koshi as mafia to kill Rayn in all scenarios.

On May 27 2018 06:36 LightningStrike wrote:

I don't really think Jealous is scum just maybe a bit misunderstood? Also remember my last game I lynched Oats Day 1?

On May 27 2018 07:17 Rels wrote:
Jealous is a coinflip. I would vote Koshi over him. But I would really prefer to just lynch DF? I don't understand why nobody is voting him except me when everybody agreed he is scummy

On May 25 2018 22:11 Koshi wrote:

##Vote Rels
Rels openings are legendary bad but this cant go unpunished.

On May 27 2018 18:47 Koshi wrote:

Can somebody give me his opinion on this post. I have issues with it but I dont know why. I went back 2 pages because I dont know what this post is.

On May 27 2018 18:42 Koshi wrote:

Dont forget df and Rels also made a +1 post.

I like you gb. I like you.

On May 28 2018 22:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up:

During the night phase when you started posting again I started question my own scumread on you hence why I tried to talk to HF and Rayn about you more but then the night kill made me get completely untunneled because I don't think you would put all the attention on yourself as scum by night killing rayn.

I didn't have him town was more of a null just I thought at the time that people couldn't understand his pictures mainly rayn. Also the Oats and me thing from last game was a answer to Grack about lynching high profile players as he asked if I don't usually lynch good players Day 1.

On May 28 2018 22:46 darthfoley wrote:


Your whole scenario doesn't matter if Koshi is mafia

On May 29 2018 02:58 Rels wrote:

Except my whole EOD has been talking about this post ...

You're in a unique position if you're town. From your POV, a lot of people are very likely town. All the people voting Jealous for starter. GB probably too, if I remember right, 'cause even though he switched at the very end, I think he was the one that consolidated the wagon. And DF too, 'cause if I remember right, he had a reason to switch to you when the vote was close, and didn't. I'll have to check if his vote would have changed the lynch at that point, but if yes, I don't think DF can be scum if you're not.

If you're scum, the game is a lot more open, a lot of people can be your partner. Basically everyone apart from the early votes on you and Jealous.

But from your POV, the game should be easy. So if you're town, please show it like you usually do.

On May 29 2018 03:42 Rels wrote:

Why isn't he almost conf town from your POV ... ? He could have lynched you but didn't.

On May 29 2018 04:11 Rels wrote:
BTW why did you post if you didn't know you weren't lynched ?

On May 29 2018 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
Who is koshi pushing? Jealous was up for lynch for quite a while and yet nobody joined onto the koshi wagon other than ls (who I think/thought was town) and fuba (really weak gut read town). Unless both of them are Jealous' partners or his partners are afk then nobody gave a shit about lynching koshi to save their team mate? Koshi never really became any kind of majority when it would be the easiest counter push for mafia to make. This goes the same for df. If LS or Fuba are mafia why did they not switch to df to save jealous? Koshi seems incredibly meek from what I've skimmed and is probably mafia. His alignment is really the key to figuring out this game.

GB's end of day was really bad. I saw him criticising rels for pushing df at end of day but he voted on df too????? There's so many misconstruing arguments in his filter (especially towards me) and so many posts keeping his options open that it's extremely likely that GB is mafia.

On May 29 2018 04:57 Rels wrote:

cool. Can you now convince me you're town and that whoever you're voting for is mafia

On May 29 2018 05:00 Rels wrote:

I assume you know fuba well 'cause you know him by another handle ? Am I right thinking that ? Do you play mafia elsewhere, or is it unrelated ?

On May 29 2018 06:54 GlowingBear wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Holyflare

You're mafia.

On May 29 2018 07:00 Grackaroni wrote:
I hope people don't get too caught up on Koshi. As far as I can see the only reason he's being considered today is that he was the main counter wagon to the lynch yesterday. I think that's pretty shitty since the people voting him yesterday were even scummier than he was.

byj seems like a good lynch to me. Aside from what I wrote earlier there's just an absence of original thought processes that I'm used to seeing with new players. There's not much evidence in his filter that he's giving much thought to anything.

On May 30 2018 00:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Are you SERIOUSLY ignoring everything I brought on HF?

On May 30 2018 02:05 GlowingBear wrote:


So, in your opinion, I should just let go Holyflare pushing mafia agenda because he can do this as town?
You know what this means for his future mafia games, right?