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Jealous your arms are really asymmetric. You may want to get that checked out. | ||
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I'll sheep the read on Rels and take his word on the Glowingbear town read. | ||
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On May 25 2018 19:32 Holyflare wrote: I don't think rayn's progression is towny. He goes from calling me mafia for shit reasons (that I didn't call out his post...? Hyper aware) to then calling out gb for also calling me mafia but he doesn't actually weigh up on gb's alignment and instead just attacks gb for an argument that is basically the same thing as his (at least he thought it was so why on earth was he initially attacking it?). Then he votes jealous and gets mad and talks in codes for absolutely no reason. Looks like his pushes flopped and he's just clutching at straws for a reason to do not much imo. Rayn posted like an insane person and I don't think that it makes him anything. | ||
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On May 25 2018 23:18 LightningStrike wrote: Yes also I don't blame you for voting me since you haven't played with me before and thus don't knohow I play. Why do you think he voted for you? | ||
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On May 26 2018 06:09 GlowingBear wrote: Uhm, no, he just calls me town and Rels mafia. You liked Koshi's posts too so why are you shitting on me? | ||
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I'm asking you because I respect your ability to read him. | ||
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On May 26 2018 22:38 Rels wrote: yeah. OK. That's not what I was trying to say exactly so let me try again. I know it's frustrating to get scumread for stuff outside your control. I currently don't have any strong reads, but if I had to choose right now I would vote you. I'm sorry if you're town. But it's not because I think you repeating "I hope more people plays" makes you scum. I know it's frutrating to get scumread because "meta", but I don't it makes you scum. But I also don't think it makes you town, like GB was saying at the top of the quote chain. I think you could do it as scum, emulating your last game where you also apparently also did it. I don't think it means anything. | ||
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On May 26 2018 22:42 Rels wrote: k. I think Jealous' stubborness makes him likely town actually. I don't think scum would angry the town for no gain. It's not like he's hiding behind his drawings to not say anything. Will wait for the HF stuff I disagree with this for two reasons: 1) Jealous probably decided to play like this pre-game. 2) I don't think he's actually angering many people since his pictures actually do give reads and some idea of the reasons behind them. | ||
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Town lean: Rels - His attitude seems townie to me. I think Rels is more of an aggressive questioner as scum. Raynpelikoneet - I don't think Rayn is pushing a mafia agenda. He's sticking with his Holyflare read that convinced absolutely nobody earlier and is bitching about Jealous posting pictures. I think he's acting like more of a grumpy townie than mafia and is playing in a way that will make people want to vote him for reasons that don't actually make him more likely to be mafia. Koshi - I liked his posts earlier. Probably won't vote today: GlowingBear - I liked the posts + narrative that Koshi highlighted for Glowing bear as a reason to town read him instead of any of his actual content, but I'm not really very familiar with Glowingbear so meh. No opinion: darthfoley LightningStrike fuba Jealous byj Holyflare | ||
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On May 26 2018 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk. I have a problem with his post where he calls GB town for "picking a fight with me" but then he doesnt know if i am town or mafia. Like if i am not town it doesnt man shit, and as he says he thinks i may not be then how can he make that read on GB? I guess but the chance of both you and Glowingbear being scum and instigating that argument at the start of the game seems so low to begin with that I'm ok with him discounting the SvS scenario. | ||
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On May 27 2018 00:36 Holyflare wrote: You have rayn as mafia for reasons that I've outlined and I'm voting rayn and have given other reasons and I'm not in your town list???? lol. Is this seriously the part of the post that bothers you? | ||
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On May 27 2018 00:39 Holyflare wrote: what on earth else would bother me about it? It's a bad post. The town reads he gives are for bad reasons and he singles out me/LS as being scum for being too blendy while attacking me for making an unconventional read and LS for coming into the thread constantly and spamming that he wants more content rather than making reads. Plus he is scum reading Rayn for pushing a read that nobody outside of himself will ever agree with. | ||
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On May 27 2018 00:38 Holyflare wrote: I think grack is mafia. That list post is super shit and his read on rayn is super out of nowhere and also bs but the worst of it all is that he has an open ended question to GB (above) that would likely make GB mafia if he couldn't answer it probably but he's content to just sit back and make a list post with no follow up to GB Compare my list post to Darthfoley's and outline the reasons why my list post is super shit while DF's list post doesn't bother you. I would love to see it. | ||
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On May 27 2018 00:58 Holyflare wrote: It's not even only that your reads are what they are, it's that the list post you put out seems really premature given that you have a BIG outstanding question to GB in the thread and yet you're comfortable outlining your reads and including him in the not voting pile. It just seems like your post is pointless when you have absolutely nobody you want to vote. I wrote that post to GB because the way he responded to my Koshi read annoyed me. This being a very important post to find out GB's alignment is a figment of your imagination and was not my intention. | ||
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On May 27 2018 01:03 Holyflare wrote: Regardless, the point stands even more then. It does nothing for GB's alignment so your giant post was even more pointless because it has no scum reads in it and town reads the wrong people. My post pretty clearly had a point. I wanted to give reads and my reasoning, which I tried to do. Just because you don't agree with my reads and think they're hipster-mafia reads doesn't make the post pointless. You're aren't making any sense and at this point I think you're just trying to shoehorn me as mafia. | ||
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On May 27 2018 03:22 Holyflare wrote: I'm willing to put my reputation on the line that grackaroni is mafia after looking at his past games Cool. For the record, I don't think this characterizes my play very well at all. On May 27 2018 02:56 Holyflare wrote: if you're town you see grack who, let's face it, is an incredibly sideline and not making reads out of the blue player making reads on you when you've done pretty much nothing that are "so correct" but you think it's just a mafia post that makes him town? why does that make sense? I think I give my fair share of unorthodox reads and try to justify things with my own reasoning, which usually is dependent on the impressions I have of different players. Though I am pretty lazy. | ||
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I think Jealous is a pretty good lynch. He's gotten lots of easy town reads this game and the main analysis he has posted was prompted by a question from Glowingbear rather than him just posting thoughts on things that he finds interesting to him in the thread, which I think is more mafia-ish than townish. On May 26 2018 08:37 Jealous wrote: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/yXP94RY.png) + Show Spoiler + On May 25 2018 10:43 GlowingBear wrote: OHAI! I'm town. Rayn is mafia again. ##Vote: raynpelikoneet ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/NZqo8hA.png) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/MILQoGs.png) On May 25 2018 10:50 GlowingBear wrote: I kinda agree. We can start lynching rayn and holyflare. We keep jealous because images in forum mafia make this more fun to play. LS I'll never know, but seems like honest LS we all know, which means could be town. Grackaroni NAI opening. darthfoley NAI opening. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/eenkeOT.png) On May 25 2018 10:51 GlowingBear wrote: OHAI! I've read it all. Just pointed out the ones I felt talking about. Me town. You town? I don't think you town. On May 25 2018 10:53 GlowingBear wrote: If Holyflare is town, he will come and comment stuff. If Holyflare is town and has no time, he won't have time to comment that he has no time. That's where I come from. On May 25 2018 10:59 GlowingBear wrote: HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LS! Rayn is forcing it. I'm just having fun  On May 25 2018 11:01 GlowingBear wrote: It says I don't like you and you might be mafia It says I don't like HF and he might be mafia It says I think LS may be town It's says a lot for only 2 pages of game. On May 25 2018 11:05 GlowingBear wrote: I'm just typing as words comes to my mind I'm kinda euphoric right now And I'm not a native speaker. Also not a very good english speaker at all. On May 25 2018 11:07 GlowingBear wrote: I said HF could be mafia because: If he is town and has time, he will comment on stuff. If he is town and has no time, he won't even have time comment he has no time. Therefore, he might be mafia. Because we all know that coming to the thread and communicating you're town means nothing. On May 25 2018 11:10 GlowingBear wrote: Tell me why someone who has no time comes to the thread to communicate he is town and has no time to read a ONE PAGE GAME? On May 25 2018 11:14 GlowingBear wrote: No, your argument is that he didn't pick up a shitpost you claim you made on purpose. My argument is that if he is town he would either play the game or simply not post a single post until he has time. On May 25 2018 11:15 GlowingBear wrote: I didn't like your bait post. Looked forced to me. On May 25 2018 11:19 GlowingBear wrote: This. This is so forced. It either looks 1) You mean it, and talking about setup is something you're really against, which makes me feel you're mafia 2) You don't mean it and you're looking for a scum slip "OMG ONLY SCUM WOULD CARE IF IT'S 9v3 OR 8v3". We all know that there are no such thing as scum slip, so it makes me feel you're mafia. 3) "How about we figure out shit fast" is bad and forced, and it feels you didn't mean it. It feels you made this post for people to nitpick. But you're not one to make shitposts like this. Actually you always bashed on me for trying to do stupid things on purpose. This seems out of character. There. On May 25 2018 11:38 GlowingBear wrote: Just to get this clear: you're meta-ing me and you think I'm so lazy as mafia that I wouldn't bother to answer rayn like that? On May 25 2018 11:39 GlowingBear wrote: But LS, you said our fight looked forced. How did your read from "forced" to "natural" happened? On May 25 2018 12:59 GlowingBear wrote: Less euphoric now, reading more carefully. + Show Spoiler + I'm no longer okay with you being town. First I thought "LS has no reason to fake feeling our 'fight' is a bit forced and then flipping his position an calling both of us town", but then I thought "why is he calling me town for a post right after rayn said I was town for the same post?", felt like parroting. I don't know, I have to give this more thought. LS, you've played with me as scum, didn't you? People never get me as scum day'1 because I am always a heavy poster. I don't know why you think I would be lazy as mafia. Plus "a fuzzy memory" doesn't look like a strong ground to call someone town. @Rayn: Why am I town for that post? I called it a "shitpost" but you said you really mean it word by word. Is that true? We can start voting you then, because it's impossible to not have even a weak opinion on my interaction with rayn. ##Unvote ##Vote: Grackaroni On May 26 2018 01:25 GlowingBear wrote: My wording can be confusing, but it's simple logic. If I don't see town motivation behind a post, it makes the guy probably mafia. On May 26 2018 01:28 GlowingBear wrote: Gut feeling: this post sounds townish to me. For some reason I can't see LS posting this as mafia. He is not really good at lying. I'll go with LS being town for now. On May 26 2018 01:31 GlowingBear wrote: This is me being transparent on my stream of thought regarding LS. I even said I have to rethink LS in that. In the other hand, it's clear I have a strong opinion on that post by grack. BAAAAD HOLYFLARE On May 26 2018 06:09 GlowingBear wrote: Uhm, no, he just calls me town and Rels mafia. On May 26 2018 06:19 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, caught up. Yeah, I thought it was clear that I think grackaroni might be mafia. For now, I have rayn and grackaroni as possible mafia. Koshi is probably town. Rels is probably town. You are probably town (every one knows I pick posts that sounds scummy right at the beginning of the game and I rethink it later) I admit I'm getting paranoia regarding LS. Sometimes he sounds townie, sometimes he sounds scummy. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/vSqhTm0.png) | ||
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He was here all day yesterday waiting for activity and now that people are talking about things he's the only one who hasn't voted. | ||
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On May 27 2018 04:36 LightningStrike wrote: I back from preping for my cpl match catching up now. ah nvm | ||
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On May 27 2018 04:23 Holyflare wrote: lol the grack game I read he was town nvm :D hmmm. On May 27 2018 03:22 Holyflare wrote: I'm willing to put my reputation on the line that grackaroni is mafia after looking at his past games This seems promising. | ||
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On May 27 2018 04:31 Holyflare wrote: To be clear about the grack thing, I read one town game and one mafia game and his mafia game was really meek and just complacent. Not really like this game but I don't think the reads that he made this game are anything like his usual town game either. The problems I have with it are they are two notoriously hard to read people and his strongest reads are on those people for bad reasons that don't make sense for them to be that alignment (since they do those things as mafia too) and when he's told that nothing changes. Why are you talking about me as if I'm unfamiliar with you, Rayn, or Koshi. | ||
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On May 27 2018 05:33 Holyflare wrote: grack, care to weigh in on the koshi read since it directly contradicts your read? I talked about this earlier: On May 26 2018 23:58 Grackaroni wrote: I guess but the chance of both you and Glowingbear being scum and instigating that argument at the start of the game seems so low to begin with that I'm ok with him discounting the SvS scenario. I still think Koshi is townie. | ||
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On May 27 2018 06:27 LightningStrike wrote: Well I can start the wagon then. ##Vote: Koshi I think he got a higher chance to flip scum than Grack. Why Koshi instead of Jealous? Don't you usually dislike voting off good players early? | ||
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I think I gave a more defensible argument for voting Jealous than either Lightningstrike or Fuba gave for voting Koshi. And my list was pretty clearly superior to DF's in terms of reasoning even though there wasn't any scum reads at the bottom of it. | ||
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On May 27 2018 07:27 Holyflare wrote: grack is basically a gut read too????? "High content to personality ratio" isn't a content post is it. What I meant by that is that Koshi's starting posts usually have kind of a hyper-Koshi essence to them but this stream of Koshi posts had that but actually convinced me on some things when I didn't have any strong opinions on what happened so far of my own. | ||
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On May 27 2018 07:43 Holyflare wrote: Nice afk, we're really looking at a mafia lynch here. Ye of little faith. On May 26 2018 04:46 Koshi wrote: Mafia isnt playing. Ez lynches in hiders. Dont lynch or go ham on actives. Free tip. | ||
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Sideline player my ass. | ||
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These people are town: 2. GlowingBear 5. Holyflare 7. Koshi 8. raynpelikoneet This is the lynch pool: 1. byj 4. darthfoley 6. LightningStrike 9. fuba 10. Rels | ||
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On May 27 2018 07:17 Rels wrote: Jealous is a coinflip. I would vote Koshi over him. But I would really prefer to just lynch DF? I don't understand why nobody is voting him except me when everybody agreed he is scummy On May 27 2018 07:54 Rels wrote: I don't think GB is scum. I hate this EOD though. Team is probably something like DF / dyl / fuba, and just letting the lynch happen | ||
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On May 28 2018 02:27 byj wrote: Who is dyl btw I think he meant you | ||
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On May 28 2018 02:13 byj wrote: Tho looking back at it is weird how he ended up going off his lynch so easily ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ On May 28 2018 09:04 byj wrote: You didn't really say anything noteworthy at night did you. What I judged you on were your pre-night actions. I don't think Scummie would've tried to lynch like that, even if they had gotten it, they would most likely be one of the most suspected people next day. Why are you so worried over me trusting you? Want to admit something?  I also don't like that he describes Koshi as not the most innocent seeming when Koshi had the same scum reads as him (Rels/Fuba). I'd be interested in his reason why Koshi seems scummy. | ||
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In the first quote in response to Holyflare it looks like he is trying to spread suspicion towards GB and in the second quote in response to GB he says that GB moving his vote makes GB unlikely to be mafia. | ||
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On May 29 2018 03:12 Rels wrote: even if Jealous was AFK, I would have expected his partners to distract the lynch if he was scum. The push against Jealous was a policy wagon, it didn't seem strong. That EOD with small wagons and low activity was very weird. You don't see what I'm talking about ? I don't really. It seems like your preferred lynch order was Fuba/DF > Koshi > Jealous, so it doesn't look great to say that Jealous was a coinflip when I'm assuming Fuba was probably a coin flip too in your view. Plus I think the more suspicious votes were on the Koshi wagon. | ||
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On May 29 2018 04:20 Rels wrote: Will have to reread how the votes went exactly, but I think GB consolidating on Jealous was the reason he was the lynch until he switched. Apart from that, I find his train of thoughts very townie, his reads are flowing logically. What arguments did he misconstruct ? This. GB re-evaluating his read on me/Rayn and switching onto Jealous ensured that Jealous would be a primary lynch option for the day. He played as big of a role in the chain of events that lead to Jealous getting lynched as anybody. | ||
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On May 29 2018 06:19 GlowingBear wrote: I'm not fighting, was I rude? I didn't mean to be rude. I'm not sure I just saw a lot of caps when I posted and was sent to a new page. | ||
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On May 29 2018 06:37 Holyflare wrote: You didn't hammer your scum partner. There was ample time to switch absolutely anywhere. Which you did. Yeah but GB could have voted on DF or Fuba or a whole bunch of different lurkerish players. By voting on Jealous it makes Jealous the leading lurker lynch and increases the chances that a fourth player will add their vote on that wagon because Jealous already has votes. | ||
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On May 29 2018 06:45 Holyflare wrote: The whole point of me saying I would lynch df was a play to see if gb would stick to his read or not. He did not and jealous flipped mafia. It's really quite obvious. What reason did he switch grack? I don't want to get too caught up arguing over this. You're focusing on a minus that should be outweighed by many pluses in GB's filter. If GB was scum and he didn't want to bus then he never would have voted Jealous in the first place. | ||
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byj seems like a good lynch to me. Aside from what I wrote earlier there's just an absence of original thought processes that I'm used to seeing with new players. There's not much evidence in his filter that he's giving much thought to anything. | ||
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On May 29 2018 07:36 Koshi wrote: Grack has been exceptionally smart. Countered the rayn case and now this. /clapclap You know what they say about broken clocks. | ||
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My second choice would probably be DF. This sentence makes me prefer not lynching Fuba, but I will if necessary. It seems like too silly of a thing to pretend to be proud of as scum compared to Fuba just being a townie with an ego. On May 30 2018 05:16 fuba wrote: What does "hides his alignment" mean? And you can totally not vote Fuba - just switch to DF Also, I'm always very low content, that's nai. You're saying the scummiest person in the thread is the one who agreed with the only confirmed townies case enough to start the wagon (though that happened to be a wagon on you, so I guess I could understand some animosity in that regard, assuming you're town). Aside from a slight downturn in activity, this is pure town Fuba play. I'm not sure you're scum, and I think GB might switch back to DF if his HF vote isn't doing anything. I don't like that DFs vote is on you. Then we only need one other person to not throw their vote away~ | ||
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It doesn’t look like anything will happen unless Koshi voters move. | ||
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On June 01 2018 03:29 GlowingBear wrote: I have a strong feeling byj is town. His posts seems relaxed, are original, he seems to believe in what he is posting, and seems interesting to get the discussion going. If he is newbie at mafia, I'd expect him to just get silent and let town drown in the lack of information. So at the moment this is the town circle under my POV: Byj Grack Glowingbear The three of us must stick together if we want to win this game. Let's discuss a little, okay? Who should we lynch and why? I changed my mind on Byj over the night phase too. I make no promises as to how long I will be able to post tonight before I fall into a drunken stupor. Good times. | ||
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On June 01 2018 03:32 GlowingBear wrote: OK, LS, now that you're here. Who do you think are the last 2 scum? On June 01 2018 03:32 GlowingBear wrote: Who do you think the last 2 scum are? Jesus, my english is getting worse every day wtf I'm not sure if I misread but these are both acceptable phrasings. | ||
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On May 29 2018 02:58 Rels wrote: Except my whole EOD has been talking about this post ... You're in a unique position if you're town. From your POV, a lot of people are very likely town. All the people voting Jealous for starter. GB probably too, if I remember right, 'cause even though he switched at the very end, I think he was the one that consolidated the wagon. And DF too, 'cause if I remember right, he had a reason to switch to you when the vote was close, and didn't. I'll have to check if his vote would have changed the lynch at that point, but if yes, I don't think DF can be scum if you're not. If you're scum, the game is a lot more open, a lot of people can be your partner. Basically everyone apart from the early votes on you and Jealous. But from your POV, the game should be easy. So if you're town, please show it like you usually do. On May 29 2018 03:42 Rels wrote: Why isn't he almost conf town from your POV ... ? He could have lynched you but didn't. On May 29 2018 03:53 Rels wrote: 'cause I don't agree. Koshi's posts didn't convince me. When he's town he gets very excited about something and it shows. The only time it happened this game was in his first spree of posts D1. Koshi not knowing what to do about DF when DF had the opportunity to hammer him is also weird. What I'm saying is: KILL KOSHI. If he's town it should become obvious. ##Vote Koshi | ||
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I'm going to vote Rels for now but I'm still reading through things atm. I don't think LS is the right lynch. | ||
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On June 02 2018 03:03 Rels wrote: Grack why do you think LS is town ? He got stucked in this "I was baiting GB" story so hard that he has now backed himself into a corner. Maybe I'm wrong. It was mostly based on the way he responded when people gave him a scum read in posts like this one. On May 27 2018 00:15 LightningStrike wrote: Don't worry I discount your read on me since you can never really me for shit anyways <3 Anyways at least you posted something I was about to pm the mod to either warn you so you can actually post. He said things like this a couple of other times when people scum read him and I was going to try to see if he does it as scum. You would think you would be able to meta LS but I have a hard time with it. | ||
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On June 02 2018 03:13 Rels wrote: I actually find this post pretty weird, the PM to the host thing seems pretty forced to me. I don't know. I can read passive-aggressive anger in his response and if LS was going to pretend to be angry about something I don't think he would fake subtle anger. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517122-liquidmania-qualifier-1?user=LightningStrike On December 23 2016 00:41 LightningStrike wrote: Me and Rels being partners? Oh please where you got this idea from? On December 23 2016 00:48 LightningStrike wrote: Then how would we be partners if ther enothing that connects us? Also if he was my partner why would he townread so hard the way he been doing it? I think this picture describes your perfectly: ![[image loading]](http://static1.squarespace.com/static/53016c21e4b0484cf754d052/t/55536c41e4b0a7df4f94aa44/1431530562676/) On December 23 2016 00:50 LightningStrike wrote: Keep amusing me Koshi I am not getting lynched today we lynching Kmatt or no lynch. On December 23 2016 00:51 LightningStrike wrote: Also where is your case on me fool? I don't see anyways Ithink you suffering from tin foil hat syndrome. Maybe take your tinfoil hat off. On December 23 2016 00:56 Holyflare wrote: LS is behaving extremely weird. On December 23 2016 00:57 LightningStrike wrote: ?This is how I normally act if I being accused? | ||
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On June 02 2018 03:41 Holyflare wrote: Someone just tell me who mafia is before I die from exhaustion. NOBODY KNOWS | ||
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On June 02 2018 04:00 Holyflare wrote: I really don't have time. Grack pick a guy and I'll vote. Ok vote Rels. His play seems the most mafia-agenda driven to me. | ||
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On May 28 2018 02:23 Grackaroni wrote: I dislike that Rels refers to the Jealous lynch as just a coin flip when his assumption was that the scum team would be a team of lurkers. + I don't trust his push on Koshi. From my POV HF was the lunatic town who hard pushed all of the active townies in a way that was unlikely to be done by scum DF was the town shitter who pushed Koshi but misread me/Rayn/GB etc. Rels was the player who read GB/Rayn/HF well but misread the only other player (Koshi) who was reading the game well and pushed a meta case against him and it seemed opportunistic to me rather than an omgus push. His misreading of Koshi just rubs me the wrong way I guess. Like Rels should have known better than to push the lynch based on how he was reading other people in the game. | ||
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If people want to make a switch I'll be back at the end of the day. For now, I'm walking off. | ||
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GOOD SHEEPING. MUCH WOW | ||
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On June 02 2018 08:05 GlowingBear wrote: Hey Grack, do you think darthfoley's rage was genuine? Yeah I think so. | ||
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On June 02 2018 08:23 darthfoley wrote: upon further reflection, this was not a very polite post and I wouldn't do it again Don't worry about it you seem stressed. I'm sorry too about the shitter comment. | ||
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My guess is Rels/byj scum team. Best of luck guys. | ||
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GG WP. | ||
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