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On April 10 2018 20:05 ExO_ wrote:
I think HF is town. His anger after the vote at Calix is something I don't think Mafia would be able to fake that well.
I think eversince is telling the truth. A reading mistake like that is exactly the kind of thing that would happen to me. I think he should have to announce who he is passing the gun to in the thread, and have the player he passes it to confirm they receive it.
In this case I think he should give it to HF, as I fully believe he's town. If HF doesn't get the gun, we lynch eversince.
Last line scummy.
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Actually Exo post scummy because he’s trying to make night actions really obvious. And he wants Eversince lynched if Hf doesn’t get gun which ignores RBer possibility.
I am not voting in poll. And people shouldn’t waste time discussing about guns.
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On April 10 2018 20:06 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 20:03 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 19:59 Tubesock wrote:
Voted Calex.
Calex and Skynx are my top scum. Not sure on the third. This would be less offensive if you hadn’t spelled my name wrong lol. Ouch, I’ve been misspelling it all game! Apologies tru
Since I think you are probably town kindly humour me for a moment. Imagine mod comes down and confirms me town. Who do you look into next?
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On April 10 2018 20:12 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 20:09 Calix wrote:
Actually Exo post scummy because he’s trying to make night actions really obvious. And he wants Eversince lynched if Hf doesn’t get gun which ignores RBer possibility.
I am not voting in poll. And people shouldn’t waste time discussing about guns. I think deciding whether or not eversince is really gunsmith is worth the time. And I think your voting at the end of day yesterday was really damn weird. Ending by unvoting at the end makes no sense to me whatsoever.
But that is the thing, we cannot confirm GS because if no gun is given, Eversince can claim RBed. Only way we confirm Eversince is if we use investigative role on her really like Watcher. Or if RBer role dies.
And there should be one because GS with no RBer would be well OP for town.
Anyway this is why Eversince is a giant ball of WIFOM.
You should know this already.
Yeah it is weird but is it mafia?
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On April 10 2018 20:20 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 19:40 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 19:38 Holyflare wrote:I chose calix  So you think the team is Calix/CH/Eversince then? No, I don't think that at all.
Care to say what you do think then? All I know is you think I am mafia, that CH is my partner and that ES is mafia for claim. Also that you may or may not scum read Vivax, I do not remember what you said about him.
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On April 10 2018 20:21 ExO_ wrote:The more I read your filter Calix the less I like. You have a lot of posts, and it makes me hesitate. However at the end of day yesterday you didn't seem to care at all. A lot of your posts have been heavily argumentative and geared towards upsetting other players and I think distracting them. Post like this: Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 04:40 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 04:38 Holyflare wrote:
Insert berating comment here "I told you so" after a mislynch is quite scummy, good sir. Flipping your read on me from super-town to super-mafia because I...took a warning over simply voting for someone...makes no sense. You stop short of calling HF scum here. You say his action is scummy but don't call him scum. Like wtf is that? I'm not sure who else I'd pair you with right now, but you're at the top of my scum list right now.
Another thread sentiment read, ExO? Or is this one because I called your post scummy first?
My posts have also not been “disruptive” and I don’t understand why you - or Vivax - say they are. Seems overblown to me.
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Like Exo, you have not made waves with any of your posts. You only make safe reads like calling 4 post Damdred mafia and now agreeing with most of thread that I am mafia. There is nothing risky about anything you have said for entire game. You seem content to sit back and not game solve.
You even admit you have no other scum reads outside of me.
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Also since I just remembered, why did you naked vote N00b Exo? And why not explain that vote when you entered the thread?
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On April 10 2018 20:33 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 20:27 Calix wrote:
Like Exo, you have not made waves with any of your posts. You only make safe reads like calling 4 post Damdred mafia and now agreeing with most of thread that I am mafia. There is nothing risky about anything you have said for entire game. You seem content to sit back and not game solve.
You even admit you have no other scum reads outside of me. Okay so call me scum then -- make a case. You're hesitating on the last part quite a bit. You've been hesitating a lot throughout the game Look at your post history -- you try to get others to join you on things like a wagon on me for example towards EoD, without placing your own vote there. It's almost as if you didn't care who was lynched at the end of day. And quite frankly, your posts have a very negative tone. I'm not sure if this is intentional, but it comes across as very abrasive. Lastly, I think its bullshit to say I'm doing nothing risky. The hell do you want me to do that's risky? What kind of read right now would be risky -- and how does making a "risky" read make me townier? I don't have all day to read the thread, but to say I'm not trying to solve the game is wrong.
Your tone seems to have shifted dramatically after being called out.
I’ve made my case. Several times. Doesn’t need to be a long case.
You accuse me of being disruptive but you’re also not sure if my “abrasiveness” is AI? Internal inconsistency detected.
It’s not just what reads you have, it’s how you present/push them. And I don’t get the sense you care all that much about them.
Like this post is the most passionate one you have made all game.
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On April 10 2018 20:35 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 20:11 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 20:06 Tubesock wrote:On April 10 2018 20:03 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 19:59 Tubesock wrote:
Voted Calex.
Calex and Skynx are my top scum. Not sure on the third. This would be less offensive if you hadn’t spelled my name wrong lol. Ouch, I’ve been misspelling it all game! Apologies tru Since I think you are probably town kindly humour me for a moment. Imagine mod comes down and confirms me town. Who do you look into next? Thunderstorm rolling through so internet is moody. Skynx is too scum for me. CurrentlyHomeless is completely unreadable so we have to figure out how to get rid of him. I think the last mafia would be in Damdred, or Exo. I think I’m pretty confident HF is town. In the next few days I’ll reevaluate Rayn, GB, Oats. There’s always one in my townpile. But I think more votes and night kills help figure that out. HF has stepped up in my opinion. So probably won’t relook at him till d3 when I wonder why he’s alive.
What do you think of Exo vs moi?
I disagree with Skynx. He seemed genuinely lost to me at EOD. And I think if he was mafia he’d have more of an idea of game state from having mafia buddies.
Did you make anything of Damdred posts?
I am having a hard time with reads right now. I might throw most of them out and start D2 clear. I might even have to filter dive properly. Because right now I have good odds of being lynched. Most people think I am mafia. But I know I am a ML so have to use info well and can’t slack off.
On phone so please excuse shite grammar.
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On April 10 2018 20:41 ExO_ wrote:Rayn shouldn't just be given a pass. I reread page 3 and 4 of his filter -- and he hardly contributed anything. He wanted to lynch me because he disagreed with my reasoning when I entered the thread: Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 18:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:I think i wnat to do this. ##vote ExO_The timing of this post added to what i said here: On April 09 2018 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 09 2018 00:58 ExO_ wrote:On April 08 2018 06:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Mr. Eversince and Mr. Rayn (because I think you may see what I see)
Calix mafia? Y/N
Starting to read the thread and this is the first thing I see. GB asking Rayn for a read when he hasnt even been inthe thread yet. I don’t buy the idea he just decided to ask an opinion of Rayn in the hopes he’d come into the thread. I think he heard from Rayn in a QT and slipped with this post This is actually the most terrible single post in thread: - follow thread sentiment, check - make up your own reason so you look like you're doing something, check - doesn't make any sense at all, check seems like a very convenient thing to do as mafia. I am quite sure he was just trying to follow the thread sentiment with his "own added reasoning". But, once again, the reasoning never makes any sense. I read this post as saying my reasoning never makes sense, and thus he's scum reading me for it. But if my reasoning doesn't ever make sense (aka last game) when I was town, why am I scum for it now? Furthermore he was happy to just park his vote on me and afk, and do nothing else towards EoD. He's said hardly anything sense. I think I Calix/Rayn are two scum.
Another reactive read but sure I’ll take baby steps.
You are also breaking every IRONY meter within ten metres. You STILL have not explained your afk vote on noob????? Yet you call Rayn mafia for behaviour YOU did!
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On April 10 2018 20:47 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 20:39 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 20:33 ExO_ wrote:On April 10 2018 20:27 Calix wrote:
Like Exo, you have not made waves with any of your posts. You only make safe reads like calling 4 post Damdred mafia and now agreeing with most of thread that I am mafia. There is nothing risky about anything you have said for entire game. You seem content to sit back and not game solve.
You even admit you have no other scum reads outside of me. Okay so call me scum then -- make a case. You're hesitating on the last part quite a bit. You've been hesitating a lot throughout the game Look at your post history -- you try to get others to join you on things like a wagon on me for example towards EoD, without placing your own vote there. It's almost as if you didn't care who was lynched at the end of day. And quite frankly, your posts have a very negative tone. I'm not sure if this is intentional, but it comes across as very abrasive. Lastly, I think its bullshit to say I'm doing nothing risky. The hell do you want me to do that's risky? What kind of read right now would be risky -- and how does making a "risky" read make me townier? I don't have all day to read the thread, but to say I'm not trying to solve the game is wrong. Your tone seems to have shifted dramatically after being called out. I’ve made my case. Several times. Doesn’t need to be a long case. You accuse me of being disruptive but you’re also not sure if my “abrasiveness” is AI? Internal inconsistency detected. It’s not just what reads you have, it’s how you present/push them. And I don’t get the sense you care all that much about them. Like this post is the most passionate one you have made all game. My tone has shifted dramatically after being called again -- I disagree, but again does this make me scum? Are you scum reading me or not? I'm not really sure because you aren't calling me scum. You want to call me out for not caring about reads, but you aren't willing to call me scum right now even. AKA you know I'm town and don't want to commit to a scum read on me. wtf do you mean by the AI line? You're being disruptive and your posts are very abrasive. What is hard to understand here, and where does the AI line come from? I don't give a shit about whether or not you agree or disagree with my reads. I'm not a super great player who can read others -- I don't think I've ever found scum day 1. So I'm sorry if I'm not making a case complete with great evidence and reads from past games, I'm not that player. You seem to be far more guilty of not sticking to reads and actually commit to them, than I am.
Yes I am calling you mafia lol.
If you think I’m intentionally being disruptive then you would naturally conclude my abrasiveness was AI because it would be part of me “disrupting” the chat. You not concluding that or considering that does not follow from your assumption that I am being intentionally disruptive.
That’s not what I said at all, lol. I said you haven’t pushed very hard, not that you need to throw out MVP cases.
The last line is also blatantly false.
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I have barely filter dived this game tbh
I don’t remember why you didn’t like GB lemme go check.
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On April 10 2018 21:03 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 21:01 Calix wrote:
I have barely filter dived this game tbh
I don’t remember why you didn’t like GB lemme go check. How the hell can you criticize my vote on n00b without reading my filter?!??!?!?!?
I saw you place a vote in vote thread without posting in game thread duh. Do you really think I am going to lie about that unnecessarily?
Anyway I checked your filter for GB stuff. You called him out fairly early but then later said you “didn’t have scum reads you were confident in” in the post you talked about Damdred. Then you say something about preferring ES to GB/TS. I didn’t get impression you were that skeeved at GB vote as opposed to you maybe sheepish ES or something but it is not entirely implausible your explanation is truthful.
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On April 10 2018 21:12 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 21:08 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 21:03 ExO_ wrote:On April 10 2018 21:01 Calix wrote:
I have barely filter dived this game tbh
I don’t remember why you didn’t like GB lemme go check. How the hell can you criticize my vote on n00b without reading my filter?!??!?!?!? I saw you place a vote in vote thread without posting in game thread duh. Do you really think I am going to lie about that unnecessarily? Anyway I checked your filter for GB stuff. You called him out fairly early but then later said you “didn’t have scum reads you were confident in” in the post you talked about Damdred. Then you say something about preferring ES to GB/TS. I didn’t get impression you were that skeeved at GB vote as opposed to you maybe sheepish ES or something but it is not entirely implausible your explanation is truthful. You saw me place a vote in the vote thread, but didn't place a vote in the game thread: Clear something up for me real quickly. Did you see me in real time place my vote in the vote thread?
I don’t remember when I saw your vote lol. I figured you’d come back and say something because an unexplained vote is obviously scummy and obviously looks bad if you get what I mean.
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On April 10 2018 21:13 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 21:09 Holyflare wrote:On April 10 2018 21:03 Tubesock wrote:On April 10 2018 20:59 Holyflare wrote:
I think exo is town. Come at me. :  : Why? Tone innit. Just like what he's saying and the way he's saying it. Probably because it's just copying me and he called me town so I won't interfere. Lol that’s fair. I think it would be awesome if Exo and Calix (spelled it right! Yay) were in qt and were like “we both may get lynched. Let’s shitfight and Jedi mindtrick folks.”
You know, when pretty much EVERY single scum theory people have made with mafia!Calix consists of “SHE IS HARDCORE BUSSING/ BEING HARDCORE BUSSED” then maybe said theories are shite and something is horribly fucked up somewhere 
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On April 10 2018 21:18 Holyflare wrote:
Can you actually explain the discrepancies calix? Don't think you have. What changed your mind between those two static vote posts?
I did. The difference is timing + blind paranoia at EOD. We have argued over similar stuff before and repeating arguments is boring. And also distracts me from reads.
It is documented that I do stupid shit at EOD as town. So while being a retard at EOD doesn’t make me town, it’s not out of my town range.
You just don’t like the explanation because it’s not “logical” but it is the best one you are getting. Because discussing it is not productive. Obvious trade off is that I look really suspicious and everyone will think I am “bussing” whenever I so much as glare at someone. But I will take it.
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On April 10 2018 21:25 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 21:16 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 21:12 ExO_ wrote:On April 10 2018 21:08 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 21:03 ExO_ wrote:On April 10 2018 21:01 Calix wrote:
I have barely filter dived this game tbh
I don’t remember why you didn’t like GB lemme go check. How the hell can you criticize my vote on n00b without reading my filter?!??!?!?!? I saw you place a vote in vote thread without posting in game thread duh. Do you really think I am going to lie about that unnecessarily? Anyway I checked your filter for GB stuff. You called him out fairly early but then later said you “didn’t have scum reads you were confident in” in the post you talked about Damdred. Then you say something about preferring ES to GB/TS. I didn’t get impression you were that skeeved at GB vote as opposed to you maybe sheepish ES or something but it is not entirely implausible your explanation is truthful. You saw me place a vote in the vote thread, but didn't place a vote in the game thread: Clear something up for me real quickly. Did you see me in real time place my vote in the vote thread? I don’t remember when I saw your vote lol. I figured you’d come back and say something because an unexplained vote is obviously scummy and obviously looks bad if you get what I mean. So you admitted earlier you hadn't read my filter. How would you know why I voted n00b without reading my filter? You criticized me for voting n00bking but never read my filter to see why I voted him -- and have tried to use my vote on n00b to say I'm scum. I don't believe you. I don't believe you were waiting for an explanation for my vote on n00b, I believe you're trying to use my vote after the fact on EoD to say I was scum, when I'm not. You're scum Calix
Shallow analysis at best. “Trying to use my vote after the fact on EOD to say I was scum” is generic. Can be said about anything. You haven’t really shown why it would come from mafia me over town me.
And there is nothing scummy about spotting a vote without a thread post, saying “that looks obviously scummy” post lynch and deciding to wait for a response from you.
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On April 10 2018 21:35 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 21:26 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 21:18 Holyflare wrote:
Can you actually explain the discrepancies calix? Don't think you have. What changed your mind between those two static vote posts? I did. The difference is timing + blind paranoia at EOD. We have argued over similar stuff before and repeating arguments is boring. And also distracts me from reads. It is documented that I do stupid shit at EOD as town. So while being a retard at EOD doesn’t make me town, it’s not out of my town range. You just don’t like the explanation because it’s not “logical” but it is the best one you are getting. Because discussing it is not productive. Obvious trade off is that I look really suspicious and everyone will think I am “bussing” whenever I so much as glare at someone. But I will take it. I don't give a shit about your eod. I care about why like a few hours before deadline you say "all these static votes probably makes one mafia" but then you SWITCHED opinion to say it makes everyone town. Why did you alter that opinion?
I just told you, I went paranoid because it was much closer to EOD and the votes were still pretty much the same. Yes yes, in retrospect this was dumb because Vivax did evade the lynch, yadda yadda, but at the time that’s what I felt.
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Anyhow I am going out soon and will probably not be back before EoN so any further questions should be asked now.
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