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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 09 2018 15:34 GMT
#661
Vivax if youre town you dont need me to prove you are town and honeatly i am not that sure anymore.
table for two on a tv tray
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22288 Posts
April 09 2018 15:37 GMT
#662
On April 10 2018 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax if youre town you dont need me to prove you are town and honeatly i am not that sure anymore.


Then talk about something else.

1) Skynx entry trying to be overly polished in an environment that really wasn't.

2) N00bking talking again like a politician where he says a shitton while saying nothing.

3) HF trying to lynch me on D1 on flimsy arguments he didn't want to engage me in.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
April 09 2018 15:39 GMT
#663
On April 10 2018 00:28 Vivax wrote:
Starting a massive chainsaw that I declare concluded cause no matter how hard you try to misrep what I said, it's all coherent if you don't only focus on that single part of that single post.

So what are you saying? Are you saying that single part of that single post shouldn't be there, and it was a mistake for you to put it there?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22288 Posts
April 09 2018 15:39 GMT
#664
Honestly he just behaves like an asshole towards me from the start cause I ask him to explicate what the fuck it means that I don't have the read that he expects me to, he refuses and no one accepts to try and talk on my terms or point out that the argumentation from HF is fucking unfair. It's a fucking assholeish environment and doesn't make me want to play.

Would also lynch Calix at this point without caring for her alignment.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22288 Posts
April 09 2018 15:40 GMT
#665
If you guys want to just never consider HF to be mafia with the way he argues and don't realize the amount of bullying I'm dealing with that isn't playing mafia I'm fucking out forever.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 09 2018 15:40 GMT
#666
On April 09 2018 21:04 Eversince wrote:
Look at his filter. All of it is 'This is wrong' Ignores caring about. Doesn't push. Doesn't fish around (Like right now! I am here but nothing?)

Giving yourself as an example of town behavior isn't a good idea
No gg, No skill.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 09 2018 15:41 GMT
#667
On April 10 2018 00:37 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax if youre town you dont need me to prove you are town and honeatly i am not that sure anymore.


Then talk about something else.

1) Skynx entry trying to be overly polished in an environment that really wasn't.

2) N00bking talking again like a politician where he says a shitton while saying nothing.

3) HF trying to lynch me on D1 on flimsy arguments he didn't want to engage me in.


1. Maybe a valid point.

2. Isn't this always how he talks? If you have specific quotes from his recent town/ mafia games that showcase a visible difference in how he talks then I'd like to see them.

3. He's been interacting you quite a lot. Is that not engagement?
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 09 2018 15:43 GMT
#668
On April 09 2018 22:00 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 21:57 Holyflare wrote:
On April 09 2018 21:56 Vivax wrote:
On April 09 2018 21:55 Holyflare wrote:
The last like 5 posts from vivax are all sureties about reads that look really out of place from what I'd expect vivax to be at right now. Hard defend rayn. Pick out a rayn post and defend exo.


Let's play a game then, you tell me where you expect me to be and why and I tell you where I am actually at.


Let's just do this instead

##vote vivax


Cool so you are not interested into my alignment at all or explaining where I should be with my reads so I can dunk all of your expectations. Sorry, but I am willing and ready to go into detail about anything you want, but you refuse.

I am still fully expecting you to do this:

HF

"Vivax should be reading this guy and this guy and this guy as this cause..."

so I can do this:

Vivax:

"No but I actually read them as this cause l..."

That's not how this works
No gg, No skill.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
April 09 2018 15:46 GMT
#669
On April 10 2018 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Head says leave the claim alive heart says dont because es wants to give gun to probably calix because her reads are good but the difference in pur reads is bas8cally exo and vivax and es hard-townreads vivax who calix scumreads.

For one thing, if we leave ES alive, we don't let her choose who to give a gun to. We would take a vote or something, to tell HER who to give the gun to.

If she's Town and there's no Mafia roleblocker, then she should be verified pretty quickly (even if by death). If she's Town and there IS a Mafia roleblocker, then it would keep the roleblocker tied up indefinitely at least.

But if we assume there are more Vanillas than power roles, her claim makes her more likely to be scum than she was before she made it.

But all that depends upon Gunsmith being a Town-only role. If the rules allow for a Mafia Gunsmith (and I can't see any way to tell, which is why I posted the rules question), then letting her verify her role by passing a gun is pointless anyway.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22288 Posts
April 09 2018 15:46 GMT
#670
On April 10 2018 00:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 22:00 Vivax wrote:
On April 09 2018 21:57 Holyflare wrote:
On April 09 2018 21:56 Vivax wrote:
On April 09 2018 21:55 Holyflare wrote:
The last like 5 posts from vivax are all sureties about reads that look really out of place from what I'd expect vivax to be at right now. Hard defend rayn. Pick out a rayn post and defend exo.


Let's play a game then, you tell me where you expect me to be and why and I tell you where I am actually at.


Let's just do this instead

##vote vivax


Cool so you are not interested into my alignment at all or explaining where I should be with my reads so I can dunk all of your expectations. Sorry, but I am willing and ready to go into detail about anything you want, but you refuse.

I am still fully expecting you to do this:

HF

"Vivax should be reading this guy and this guy and this guy as this cause..."

so I can do this:

Vivax:

"No but I actually read them as this cause l..."

That's not how this works


Yes it is, cause that's how HF said it works so if you don't agree with it you don't agree with HF.

On April 09 2018 21:55 Holyflare wrote:
The last like 5 posts from vivax are all sureties about reads that look really out of place from what I'd expect vivax to be at right now. Hard defend rayn. Pick out a rayn post and defend exo.



Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
April 09 2018 15:47 GMT
#671
Day 1 Vote count
remaining




Vivax (3): n00bKing, Holyflare, Calix, Glowingbear
Eversince (2): Calix, raynpelikoneet, ExO_
Calix (1): GlowingBear, Oatsmaster
Holyflare (1): currentlyhomeless
GlowingBear (1): Skynx
n00bking (2): Vivax, Eversince
Skynx (2): Tubesock, Glowingbear
ExO_ (0): raynpelikoneet
Raynpelikoneet (0): Calix

Not Voting (1):
Damdred



Currently Vivax is set to be lynched.
Voting is mandatory! Place votes in THIS THREAD (link)


ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 09 2018 15:48 GMT
#672
On April 10 2018 00:39 Vivax wrote:
Honestly he just behaves like an asshole towards me from the start cause I ask him to explicate what the fuck it means that I don't have the read that he expects me to, he refuses and no one accepts to try and talk on my terms or point out that the argumentation from HF is fucking unfair. It's a fucking assholeish environment and doesn't make me want to play.

Would also lynch Calix at this point without caring for her alignment.


I am genuinely not being an arse. I see you make reads like rayn being shiny and "never mafia" which sets off alarm bells because you are ALWAYS wary of people like rayn and you just came off a game where he was top town and mafia (yes you called him mafia). That's the first read of many(!) that I don't think you make. Your reads on tubesock/calix/Eversince are also flaky as fuck and you basically give no opinion on Eversince even when she's the leading wagon. There's also your gb/damdred read which I thought looked far too quick and elaborate excuses.

It's all these town reads that I can't get past.

I think your scum read on noobking is actually good though.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
April 09 2018 15:49 GMT
#673
On April 10 2018 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 19:10 n00bKing wrote:
On April 09 2018 15:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 09 2018 14:59 Eversince wrote:
On April 09 2018 14:57 Tubesock wrote:
Ever means that despite half the thread giving Rayne heat not a single one was mafia therefore all who did were town. That if mafia tries to lynch someone halfway through the day they will surely succeed and would only do it in one coordinated effort.


No I meant if it was a mafia driven lynch they would of just beat around the bush for 24 hrs then fucked off. They would of setup a diversion, and a backup, and pushed off onto one of those after Rayn failed. This whole concept is why Skynx isn't scum. Stop voting for him darnit.

you give way too much credit for scum teamplay.

Based on Eversince's super-low post count, I would assume the vast majority of her Mafia experience comes from elsewhere. And I think a lot of what she's said would make sense for non-TL games, where you DO see a lot more coordination, strategy, and a well-defined "scum agenda" than what is often seen in the games here, where you sometimes wouldn't be able to tell if all the scum players were actually even reading the scum QT during Day Phases, and most members of the team are just doing whatever comes into their heads, without any planning, or forethought, or understanding of how it will impact their teammates.

But anyway, even if Scum were to set up "a diversion" and "a backup" that doesn't mean that a scum Skynx's teammates would have to help him out with a push against a town rayn, before gauging the TOWN'S interest in pursuing the lynch. So even once I decide that her premise is logical for non-TL games, I still don't think her premise actually supports her conclusion. Skynx could easily be Town, but this is not good reasoning for deciding that he's Town.

What's the point of this post?

It explains to you that I think you should have been attacking her eventual conclusion (about the townread on Skynx, and how she reached it), and not her initial premise (about how a team of Mafia would or should operate).
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 09 2018 15:49 GMT
#674
On April 10 2018 00:39 Vivax wrote:
Honestly he just behaves like an asshole towards me from the start cause I ask him to explicate what the fuck it means that I don't have the read that he expects me to, he refuses and no one accepts to try and talk on my terms or point out that the argumentation from HF is fucking unfair. It's a fucking assholeish environment and doesn't make me want to play.

Would also lynch Calix at this point without caring for her alignment.

One guy pointing out your play makes an assholeish environment?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 09 2018 15:50 GMT
#675
On April 10 2018 00:46 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 00:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 09 2018 22:00 Vivax wrote:
On April 09 2018 21:57 Holyflare wrote:
On April 09 2018 21:56 Vivax wrote:
On April 09 2018 21:55 Holyflare wrote:
The last like 5 posts from vivax are all sureties about reads that look really out of place from what I'd expect vivax to be at right now. Hard defend rayn. Pick out a rayn post and defend exo.


Let's play a game then, you tell me where you expect me to be and why and I tell you where I am actually at.


Let's just do this instead

##vote vivax


Cool so you are not interested into my alignment at all or explaining where I should be with my reads so I can dunk all of your expectations. Sorry, but I am willing and ready to go into detail about anything you want, but you refuse.

I am still fully expecting you to do this:

HF

"Vivax should be reading this guy and this guy and this guy as this cause..."

so I can do this:

Vivax:

"No but I actually read them as this cause l..."

That's not how this works


Yes it is, cause that's how HF said it works so if you don't agree with it you don't agree with HF.

Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 21:55 Holyflare wrote:
The last like 5 posts from vivax are all sureties about reads that look really out of place from what I'd expect vivax to be at right now. Hard defend rayn. Pick out a rayn post and defend exo.




Anyway I think it's pretty clear now what HF is talking about
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 09 2018 15:51 GMT
#676
On April 10 2018 00:49 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 09 2018 19:10 n00bKing wrote:
On April 09 2018 15:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 09 2018 14:59 Eversince wrote:
On April 09 2018 14:57 Tubesock wrote:
Ever means that despite half the thread giving Rayne heat not a single one was mafia therefore all who did were town. That if mafia tries to lynch someone halfway through the day they will surely succeed and would only do it in one coordinated effort.


No I meant if it was a mafia driven lynch they would of just beat around the bush for 24 hrs then fucked off. They would of setup a diversion, and a backup, and pushed off onto one of those after Rayn failed. This whole concept is why Skynx isn't scum. Stop voting for him darnit.

you give way too much credit for scum teamplay.

Based on Eversince's super-low post count, I would assume the vast majority of her Mafia experience comes from elsewhere. And I think a lot of what she's said would make sense for non-TL games, where you DO see a lot more coordination, strategy, and a well-defined "scum agenda" than what is often seen in the games here, where you sometimes wouldn't be able to tell if all the scum players were actually even reading the scum QT during Day Phases, and most members of the team are just doing whatever comes into their heads, without any planning, or forethought, or understanding of how it will impact their teammates.

But anyway, even if Scum were to set up "a diversion" and "a backup" that doesn't mean that a scum Skynx's teammates would have to help him out with a push against a town rayn, before gauging the TOWN'S interest in pursuing the lynch. So even once I decide that her premise is logical for non-TL games, I still don't think her premise actually supports her conclusion. Skynx could easily be Town, but this is not good reasoning for deciding that he's Town.

What's the point of this post?

It explains to you that I think you should have been attacking her eventual conclusion (about the townread on Skynx, and how she reached it), and not her initial premise (about how a team of Mafia would or should operate).

Im not attacking anything in that post. Anyway ever claimed absolutely terribly but he's not mafia
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 09 2018 15:52 GMT
#677
Vivax lynch is ehhh.

Seems like typical inconsistent town vivax
No gg, No skill.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
April 09 2018 15:53 GMT
#678
On April 10 2018 00:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
Day 1 Vote count


Well hi there.

Ummm...bump?
On April 09 2018 23:09 n00bKing wrote:

Question Font:

1) The potential roles are not split by allegiance. Are some roles available to either allegiance? And if not, where is the dividing line (if we're allowed to know)?

2) Is role duplication possible? (ie, more than one player having the same role)


Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 09 2018 15:53 GMT
#679
On April 09 2018 22:17 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 22:05 ExO_ wrote:
On April 09 2018 21:58 Calix wrote:
On April 09 2018 21:56 ExO_ wrote:
On April 09 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax why are you mafia. So so sad.


I don’t get a scum vibe from Vivax at all. Can you explain this read in detail?


His evasion of his weird-arse read on me.

He called my reasons for scum!rayn "false".

He had also accused me of making facts up to scum-read him.

WHY DOES HE THINK I'M TOWN?


The impression I get is this:

He thinks you’re wrong, but that it doesn’t make you scum. However the language both of you are using has looked like its getting more heated. In particular right now you seem really frustrated and angry Calix

I’ll take another look at Vivaxs filter but he seems towny to me. In the mean time, what do you think of Holyflare right now Calix?


I'm not feeling anything in particular. I think people misread the language I use as being 'angry' when it's just how I talk. If I was actually angry then it would be obvious.

I agree with his Vivax posts. However I don't really trust him. He accused rayn after I did. Now he accuses Vivax alongside me. Looks like a pattern. Nothing substantial to back it up, just wary.

I would probably not want to lynch him today though. Vivax looks well bad even without HF's points.

How does vivax look bad if you assume HF never posted about him?
No gg, No skill.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 09 2018 15:53 GMT
#680
Noobking, why do you point out rayn's wall of texts being unreadable when you were doing the same the past few games? Why does it make him mafia-ish?
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