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On April 10 2018 01:02 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 00:59 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 00:53 Holyflare wrote:
Noobking, why do you point out rayn's wall of texts being unreadable when you were doing the same the past few games? Why does it make him mafia-ish? I wasn't talking about walls of text at all. I had been talking about early posts, before the walls came. What will make his filter useless to town players later in the game is that you can't tell what he's responding to, who he's talking about, or in some cases, who he's even talking TO. Why would he do this as scum and not as town?
...the same reason anyone else would do it as scum but not as town. To make their filter useless to town players later in the game. It doesn't take 2 seconds to find the scum motivation for his behavior.
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On April 10 2018 01:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
GF to goon is mafia, everything else except sk is town.
Dup roles are too good.
Eh, I should not have bothered to respond the first time you commented on my questions to the host. The questions are not to you, obviously. They are for a host/co-host to answer.
The game we just finished had a Mafia Veteran. And the Town and Mafia both had a Jailkeeper.
On April 10 2018 01:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why does this even matter anyway?!?
Seriously?
Because there's a Gunsmith claim. And knowing how to handle it will depend on things like:
1) Whether there can be a Mafia Gunsmith (and the rules don't tell us)
2) Whether there can be more than one Gunsmith (and the rules don't tell us)
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On April 10 2018 01:06 Vivax wrote:Wait a moment now that I'm not busy defending myself against BS I can start dishing out. FIrst of all let me point out the following: Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 16:44 n00bKing wrote:On April 09 2018 12:24 GlowingBear wrote:On April 09 2018 11:58 kushm4sta wrote:On April 09 2018 11:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax is forgettable, i had to look at his filter to see what was up and yeah theres nothing much, not gonna lynch today though Why not oats.. why not then.. Looks like scum to me. My God, kush, is there a single smurf you didn't blow mid-game? So it's Kush that blows all the smurfs? I knew he looked familiar.... ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BEtvGFfCEAIgmZ3.jpg)
@Holyflare: I see currentlyhomeless already called you out for the fake vote against him. Care to explain? @currentlyhomeless: Have anything you might use to convince me that Holyflare would flip red? Seems like you're saying he's scum because he felt threatened by your randomly-generated vote against him. Is there more to it than that? I'll probably read some more of this thread now. This is the very first question that came to n00bkings mind and neither is it answered nor is he trying to get it answered when it's obvious he's in the thread with HF so it's safe to assume the two don't even read each others posts and now you go and tell me how unlikely it is that they are both mafia.
Except that it WAS answered. So...you know...there's that.
(Holyflare explained that he was unaware of the existence of a voting thread, and that his in-thread votes should be taken seriously. The next time he voted against someone, he posted it in the voting thread.)
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On April 10 2018 01:17 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 01:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, come on oats, that backpedalling is bad but it could be town.
I have plenty of other suspicions, but Skynx just sounds like the best lynch. You know it. Skynx is on the same level as the other afk people imo It's not. He drops two bad cases and decides to vote me instead of rayn because rayn had a lot to answer yet. What kind of thought process is that? You vote for the best lynch. Always.
Nah. If you have two scumreads and one of them you feel is under adequate pressure already, you can just vote for the other one, and try to get pressure on both of your scumreads. I've done this many times, and in fact, I think I've even used almost the same wording that Skynx did.
This strikes me the same as when you said that Calix should have talked to you about your vote against her, because that's "how town mindset works." Well...no. Just no.
As Town, I've said exactly zero about someone's vote against me. And as Town, I've voted against a secondary scumread if my primary scumread was already getting satisfactory vote pressure.
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On April 10 2018 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 01:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Role info in OP updated. Duplicate roles are possible Lies
I assume you've found your Day 1 lynch then: Fecalfeast.
Alright, so duplicate roles are possible. If a Gunsmith happens along who hadn't seen Eversince's claim yet (lets say Damdred, for example) then there would be very minimal value in performing the counterclaim.
On the upside, no such thing as a mafia Gunsmith. If Eversince is able to pass a gun to who we tell her to pass it to, she's verified Town. There also cannot be a mafia Jailer to stop her from passing a gun, so she'll only be stopped by a mafia roleblocker.
I randomly feel like there's a decent chance of there being a mafia roleblocker in the game, so even if her claim is real instead of fake, I don't necessarily expect a gun to get passed on Night 1. But even though she's a better lynch now than before the claim, I'm inclined to at least give her the opportunity.
There are still 2 votes on her, but unless someone disagrees with the above, I think those votes should move off, instead of being added to.
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On April 10 2018 01:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 01:32 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Role info in OP updated. Duplicate roles are possible Lies I assume you've found your Day 1 lynch then: Fecalfeast. Alright, so duplicate roles are possible. If a Gunsmith happens along who hadn't seen Eversince's claim yet (lets say Damdred, for example) then there would be very minimal value in performing the counterclaim. On the upside, no such thing as a mafia Gunsmith. If Eversince is able to pass a gun to who we tell her to pass it to, she's verified Town. There also cannot be a mafia Jailer to stop her from passing a gun, so she'll only be stopped by a mafia roleblocker. I randomly feel like there's a decent chance of there being a mafia roleblocker in the game, so even if her claim is real instead of fake, I don't necessarily expect a gun to get passed on Night 1. But even though she's a better lynch now than before the claim, I'm inclined to at least give her the opportunity. There are still 2 votes on her, but unless someone disagrees with the above, I think those votes should move off, instead of being added to. So you went through all that to make a post on how she is probably town when literally everyone else has already determined that. Mafia
By NO means did I say she is probably Town. In fact, I specifically said she's more likely to be Mafia now than before the roleclaim. But I think we should give her the opportunity to try and pass a gun anyway. HF is obviously not convinced that she is "probably town" either. And neither of us are in the two VOTES against her.
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On April 10 2018 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 01:38 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:32 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Role info in OP updated. Duplicate roles are possible Lies I assume you've found your Day 1 lynch then: Fecalfeast. Alright, so duplicate roles are possible. If a Gunsmith happens along who hadn't seen Eversince's claim yet (lets say Damdred, for example) then there would be very minimal value in performing the counterclaim. On the upside, no such thing as a mafia Gunsmith. If Eversince is able to pass a gun to who we tell her to pass it to, she's verified Town. There also cannot be a mafia Jailer to stop her from passing a gun, so she'll only be stopped by a mafia roleblocker. I randomly feel like there's a decent chance of there being a mafia roleblocker in the game, so even if her claim is real instead of fake, I don't necessarily expect a gun to get passed on Night 1. But even though she's a better lynch now than before the claim, I'm inclined to at least give her the opportunity. There are still 2 votes on her, but unless someone disagrees with the above, I think those votes should move off, instead of being added to. So you went through all that to make a post on how she is probably town when literally everyone else has already determined that. Mafia By NO means did I say she is probably Town. In fact, I specifically said she's more likely to be Mafia now than before the roleclaim. But I think we should give her the opportunity to try and pass a gun anyway. HF is obviously not convinced that she is "probably town" either. And neither of us are in the two VOTES against her. Probably gunsmith == probably town.
Well I guess that explains why I said neither of those things, then.
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On April 10 2018 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually noobking, explain why mafia claims Gunsmith in her position.
1) Since this ruleset allows for duplicate roles, a counterclaim from a real Gunsmith will not be as damaging as it would be otherwise. Good reason to fake claim a power role instead of just trying to pass for Vanilla.
2) Since this particular ruleset doesn't keep the roleblocker from choosing the same target on successive nights, Mafia Eversince has a never-ending excuse for failing to pass the gun and verifying her roleclaim.
3) Since this particular ruleset doesn't give notifications to people when they are roleblocked, the mafia roleblocker can continue to roleblock town players while Mafia Eversince pretends to be roleblocked, and no Town players can say "but I was roleblocked too..."
Not all rulesets will follow ANY of those three parameters, much less all three of them. But THIS game presents something of a perfect storm, for a fake Gunsmith claim.
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On April 10 2018 01:51 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 01:47 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually noobking, explain why mafia claims Gunsmith in her position. 1) Since this ruleset allows for duplicate roles, a counterclaim from a real Gunsmith will not be as damaging as it would be otherwise. Good reason to fake claim a power role instead of just trying to pass for Vanilla. 2) Since this particular ruleset doesn't keep the roleblocker from choosing the same target on successive nights, Mafia Eversince has a never-ending excuse for failing to pass the gun and verifying her roleclaim. 3) Since this particular ruleset doesn't give notifications to people when they are roleblocked, the mafia roleblocker can continue to roleblock town players while Mafia Eversince pretends to be roleblocked, and no Town players can say "but I was roleblocked too..." Not all rulesets will follow ANY of those three parameters, much less all three of them. But THIS game presents something of a perfect storm, for a fake Gunsmith claim. Why not claim something that can't be verified? Why even claim in that situation?!? It's so far from EoD.
Claim something that can't be verified, and people might say "meh, that can't be verified" and then be more inclined to lynch through the claim. With THIS claim, they might reflexively think it CAN be verified, without realizing until later that it actually cannot.
And claim so far from EoD if she legitimately wanted to leave the thread and go to bed.
She told Vivax she would be around for another 45 minutes to an hour. An hour later she finds herself in the vote lead, at the time she's supposed to be leaving. So she makes the claim. As the excuse for the early claim, she says her "time is up." But she then spends the entire next HOUR defending herself, when she sees that people are NOT reacting positively to the claim. After that hour, she OFFICIALLY declares that she is now going to bed. (Like, for realsies, this time, peoples.) But then spends ANOTHER half hour defending herself from new posts instead. Spending 90 minutes defending herself, when the entire excuse behind the early claim was that she was "out of time" and had to leave.
If she were actually Town, then this post:
On April 09 2018 23:00 Eversince wrote:
Fucking lynch me then. At least then I can laugh after the fact.
could very well have been the last thing she said, instead of us seeing all the things that followed it. But if she were scum and felt increased responsibility/obligation to her teammates (since there are fewer of them, if she's scum) then that might explain the 90 minutes she kept getting dragged into answering new posts.
I also can't say I care for the fact that she freely discussed reads on everyone from Vivax to DAMDRED (who had been long-term AFK), but ONE topic she refused to discuss (even when asked directly) was WHY she put her VOTE where it is. That's really bad.
But in the face of ALL that, I would give her the opportunity to try and pass the gun on Night 1. If she's Town, maybe we'll get lucky and the scum will not have a roleblocker to stop her with.
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On April 10 2018 01:56 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:51 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:49 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:47 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:44 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:40 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Wait a minute calix, who do you think is mafia outside of vivax? ExO_. I haven't filtered him since he's not up for lynch at all but he was making some weird, timid posts when I was with him in the thread. The one where he tells Vivax and I to call it off when Vivax and I were not even fighting was out of place. And he hadn't called me town before that post. Otherwise he has "safe" reads and "okay" posts. Fits the profile of mafia skirting by. Damdred possible third. Why damdred? Don't have anyone else I think is mafia at the moment. I don't think much of his actual posts. Why don't you go and look?!? Because I want Vivax dead or spewing townie out the arse. EOD =/= time to do srs filter-diving to find mafia. It's like 2 more hours, stop being dramatic Have you seen the votes? lol. Best time to be a Drama Queen :D There's nobody here that hasn't decided if they are gonna vote vivax anyway. Why does vivax!mafia ignore your question earlier but answer it now and why does town!vivax answer your question earlier? Mafia!Vivax ignores it because he can't think of a legit explanation for it, duh. And he recently said he was 'too busy responding to other posts' to respond to mine so that would be the town!Vivax explanation.
"duh" is an appropriate addition to the answers to WAY too many of oatsmaster's questions. Is that normal for him?
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On April 10 2018 02:06 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:00 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:47 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually noobking, explain why mafia claims Gunsmith in her position. 1) Since this ruleset allows for duplicate roles, a counterclaim from a real Gunsmith will not be as damaging as it would be otherwise. Good reason to fake claim a power role instead of just trying to pass for Vanilla. 2) Since this particular ruleset doesn't keep the roleblocker from choosing the same target on successive nights, Mafia Eversince has a never-ending excuse for failing to pass the gun and verifying her roleclaim. 3) Since this particular ruleset doesn't give notifications to people when they are roleblocked, the mafia roleblocker can continue to roleblock town players while Mafia Eversince pretends to be roleblocked, and no Town players can say "but I was roleblocked too..." Not all rulesets will follow ANY of those three parameters, much less all three of them. But THIS game presents something of a perfect storm, for a fake Gunsmith claim. Why not claim something that can't be verified? Why even claim in that situation?!? It's so far from EoD. Claim something that can't be verified, and people might say "meh, that can't be verified" and then be more inclined to lynch through the claim. With THIS claim, they might reflexively think it CAN be verified, without realizing until later that it actually cannot. And claim so far from EoD if she legitimately wanted to leave the thread and go to bed. She told Vivax she would be around for another 45 minutes to an hour. An hour later she finds herself in the vote lead, at the time she's supposed to be leaving. So she makes the claim. As the excuse for the early claim, she says her "time is up." But she then spends the entire next HOUR defending herself, when she sees that people are NOT reacting positively to the claim. After that hour, she OFFICIALLY declares that she is now going to bed. (Like, for realsies, this time, peoples.) But then spends ANOTHER half hour defending herself from new posts instead. Spending 90 minutes defending herself, when the entire excuse behind the early claim was that she was "out of time" and had to leave. If she were actually Town, then this post: On April 09 2018 23:00 Eversince wrote:
Fucking lynch me then. At least then I can laugh after the fact. could very well have been the last thing she said, instead of us seeing all the things that followed it. But if she were scum and felt increased responsibility/obligation to her teammates (since there are fewer of them, if she's scum) then that might explain the 90 minutes she kept getting dragged into answering new posts. I also can't say I care for the fact that she freely discussed reads on everyone from Vivax to DAMDRED (who had been long-term AFK), but ONE topic she refused to discuss (even when asked directly) was WHY she put her VOTE where it is. That's really bad. But in the face of ALL that, I would give her the opportunity to try and pass the gun on Night 1. If she's Town, maybe we'll get lucky and the scum will not have a roleblocker to stop her with. So if she was the town gunsmith instead, how would she behave differently from what really happened?
If she were Town, it makes sense to me that she would have gone ahead and left the thread much nearer to the time she actually said she was going to. Instead of repeatedly saying things like "believe me or don't, I don't care" and "fucking lynch me then" but continuing to defend and defend and defend.
If she were Town, she should have answered a simple and direct question about why her vote went where it went, instead of talking about everyone BUT her lynch target.
These things were both already mentioned in the post you quoted when you asked. y u no read?
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On April 10 2018 02:06 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:03 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:56 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:51 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:49 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:47 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:44 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Why damdred? Don't have anyone else I think is mafia at the moment. I don't think much of his actual posts. Why don't you go and look?!? Because I want Vivax dead or spewing townie out the arse. EOD =/= time to do srs filter-diving to find mafia. It's like 2 more hours, stop being dramatic Have you seen the votes? lol. Best time to be a Drama Queen :D There's nobody here that hasn't decided if they are gonna vote vivax anyway. Why does vivax!mafia ignore your question earlier but answer it now and why does town!vivax answer your question earlier? Mafia!Vivax ignores it because he can't think of a legit explanation for it, duh. And he recently said he was 'too busy responding to other posts' to respond to mine so that would be the town!Vivax explanation. "duh" is an appropriate addition to the answers to WAY too many of oatsmaster's questions. Is that normal for him? Except thats not actually how the game works?
What's not actually how the game works?
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On April 10 2018 02:15 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:11 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 02:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:00 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:47 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually noobking, explain why mafia claims Gunsmith in her position. 1) Since this ruleset allows for duplicate roles, a counterclaim from a real Gunsmith will not be as damaging as it would be otherwise. Good reason to fake claim a power role instead of just trying to pass for Vanilla. 2) Since this particular ruleset doesn't keep the roleblocker from choosing the same target on successive nights, Mafia Eversince has a never-ending excuse for failing to pass the gun and verifying her roleclaim. 3) Since this particular ruleset doesn't give notifications to people when they are roleblocked, the mafia roleblocker can continue to roleblock town players while Mafia Eversince pretends to be roleblocked, and no Town players can say "but I was roleblocked too..." Not all rulesets will follow ANY of those three parameters, much less all three of them. But THIS game presents something of a perfect storm, for a fake Gunsmith claim. Why not claim something that can't be verified? Why even claim in that situation?!? It's so far from EoD. Claim something that can't be verified, and people might say "meh, that can't be verified" and then be more inclined to lynch through the claim. With THIS claim, they might reflexively think it CAN be verified, without realizing until later that it actually cannot. And claim so far from EoD if she legitimately wanted to leave the thread and go to bed. She told Vivax she would be around for another 45 minutes to an hour. An hour later she finds herself in the vote lead, at the time she's supposed to be leaving. So she makes the claim. As the excuse for the early claim, she says her "time is up." But she then spends the entire next HOUR defending herself, when she sees that people are NOT reacting positively to the claim. After that hour, she OFFICIALLY declares that she is now going to bed. (Like, for realsies, this time, peoples.) But then spends ANOTHER half hour defending herself from new posts instead. Spending 90 minutes defending herself, when the entire excuse behind the early claim was that she was "out of time" and had to leave. If she were actually Town, then this post: On April 09 2018 23:00 Eversince wrote:
Fucking lynch me then. At least then I can laugh after the fact. could very well have been the last thing she said, instead of us seeing all the things that followed it. But if she were scum and felt increased responsibility/obligation to her teammates (since there are fewer of them, if she's scum) then that might explain the 90 minutes she kept getting dragged into answering new posts. I also can't say I care for the fact that she freely discussed reads on everyone from Vivax to DAMDRED (who had been long-term AFK), but ONE topic she refused to discuss (even when asked directly) was WHY she put her VOTE where it is. That's really bad. But in the face of ALL that, I would give her the opportunity to try and pass the gun on Night 1. If she's Town, maybe we'll get lucky and the scum will not have a roleblocker to stop her with. So if she was the town gunsmith instead, how would she behave differently from what really happened? If she were Town, it makes sense to me that she would have gone ahead and left the thread much nearer to the time she actually said she was going to. Instead of repeatedly saying things like "believe me or don't, I don't care" and "fucking lynch me then" but continuing to defend and defend and defend. If she were Town, she should have answered a simple and direct question about why her vote went where it went, instead of talking about everyone BUT her lynch target. These things were both already mentioned in the post you quoted when you asked. y u no read? Why would she not want to defend herself from being lynched as town when in actuality, anyone cares way more about being mislynched as a blue than lynched as scum
LOL
Do you have any evidence that people care more about being mislynched as a power role than they care about being lynched as scum? Because "saying it doesn't make it true." Every scum role is more important to its team than ANY power role is important to the town.
On April 10 2018 02:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
I have no idea what you are talking about in reference to her not explaining her lynch target
What's not to get?! She parks her vote on me, 100% out of nowhere, and says it's the "best place" for it. And then proceeds to discuss anything and everything EXCEPT the player she voted against, and why that is the best place for that vote. Even when directly asked for her reasoning...silence. Yet although she can't be asked to explain her VOTE, or talk about why it's there, or really even make any further mention of the player it's on, she stayed that extra 90 minutes to talk about reads on OTHER players, including even Damdred, who had been a full-blown AFK for quite some time.
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On April 10 2018 02:54 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:41 ExO_ wrote:On April 10 2018 02:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really dont like Vivax lynch. If i have to i will save him by voting Skynx but i dont really think he is mafia either. I would suggest strongly against voting for Calix. I have no idea about what noobking is because i dont rrally feel like he has said much anything.
Glowingbear started being terr8ble but thats probably town terrible.
I still want to lynch exo for what i have said earlier.
##unvote
##vote exo_ Enlighten me, why do you want to lynch me? I have 20 minutes left on my lunch. Dunno about rayn but I think you're mafia skirting by.
Well I know about rayn. Post #431 contains his original dislike for Exo, plus some extra sentences (though most of them are just saying the same things over again).
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On April 10 2018 02:55 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:27 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 02:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:11 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 02:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:00 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:47 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually noobking, explain why mafia claims Gunsmith in her position. 1) Since this ruleset allows for duplicate roles, a counterclaim from a real Gunsmith will not be as damaging as it would be otherwise. Good reason to fake claim a power role instead of just trying to pass for Vanilla. 2) Since this particular ruleset doesn't keep the roleblocker from choosing the same target on successive nights, Mafia Eversince has a never-ending excuse for failing to pass the gun and verifying her roleclaim. 3) Since this particular ruleset doesn't give notifications to people when they are roleblocked, the mafia roleblocker can continue to roleblock town players while Mafia Eversince pretends to be roleblocked, and no Town players can say "but I was roleblocked too..." Not all rulesets will follow ANY of those three parameters, much less all three of them. But THIS game presents something of a perfect storm, for a fake Gunsmith claim. Why not claim something that can't be verified? Why even claim in that situation?!? It's so far from EoD. Claim something that can't be verified, and people might say "meh, that can't be verified" and then be more inclined to lynch through the claim. With THIS claim, they might reflexively think it CAN be verified, without realizing until later that it actually cannot. And claim so far from EoD if she legitimately wanted to leave the thread and go to bed. She told Vivax she would be around for another 45 minutes to an hour. An hour later she finds herself in the vote lead, at the time she's supposed to be leaving. So she makes the claim. As the excuse for the early claim, she says her "time is up." But she then spends the entire next HOUR defending herself, when she sees that people are NOT reacting positively to the claim. After that hour, she OFFICIALLY declares that she is now going to bed. (Like, for realsies, this time, peoples.) But then spends ANOTHER half hour defending herself from new posts instead. Spending 90 minutes defending herself, when the entire excuse behind the early claim was that she was "out of time" and had to leave. If she were actually Town, then this post: On April 09 2018 23:00 Eversince wrote:
Fucking lynch me then. At least then I can laugh after the fact. could very well have been the last thing she said, instead of us seeing all the things that followed it. But if she were scum and felt increased responsibility/obligation to her teammates (since there are fewer of them, if she's scum) then that might explain the 90 minutes she kept getting dragged into answering new posts. I also can't say I care for the fact that she freely discussed reads on everyone from Vivax to DAMDRED (who had been long-term AFK), but ONE topic she refused to discuss (even when asked directly) was WHY she put her VOTE where it is. That's really bad. But in the face of ALL that, I would give her the opportunity to try and pass the gun on Night 1. If she's Town, maybe we'll get lucky and the scum will not have a roleblocker to stop her with. So if she was the town gunsmith instead, how would she behave differently from what really happened? If she were Town, it makes sense to me that she would have gone ahead and left the thread much nearer to the time she actually said she was going to. Instead of repeatedly saying things like "believe me or don't, I don't care" and "fucking lynch me then" but continuing to defend and defend and defend. If she were Town, she should have answered a simple and direct question about why her vote went where it went, instead of talking about everyone BUT her lynch target. These things were both already mentioned in the post you quoted when you asked. y u no read? Why would she not want to defend herself from being lynched as town when in actuality, anyone cares way more about being mislynched as a blue than lynched as scum LOL Do you have any evidence that people care more about being mislynched as a power role than they care about being lynched as scum? Because "saying it doesn't make it true." Every scum role is more important to its team than ANY power role is important to the town. On April 10 2018 02:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
I have no idea what you are talking about in reference to her not explaining her lynch target What's not to get?! She parks her vote on me, 100% out of nowhere, and says it's the "best place" for it. And then proceeds to discuss anything and everything EXCEPT the player she voted against, and why that is the best place for that vote. Even when directly asked for her reasoning...silence. Yet although she can't be asked to explain her VOTE, or talk about why it's there, or really even make any further mention of the player it's on, she stayed that extra 90 minutes to talk about reads on OTHER players, including even Damdred, who had been a full-blown AFK for quite some time. You need to play more games then.
*spit-take*
On April 10 2018 02:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Almost nobody gets lynched as uncced blue
"uncced" means zero in this game. Mafia has no fear of a counterclaim. And in games with role duplication, uncountered claims DO get lynched (and should). You either "need to play more games" using those rules, or maybe just need to play in stronger fields of players.
On April 10 2018 02:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why would mafia eversince do that?
Do what?
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On April 10 2018 03:02 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 03:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:55 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:22 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Calix, you said town vivax behaves exactly how vivax actually behaved this game in reference to explaining his read on you but you literally just ignore that? No, I said that Vivax already explained a scenario you posited in the thread, which would thus be the explanation for his actions were Vivax to flip town. Because that's what Vivax is claiming happened. I think this answer was exceedingly obvious, thus making your question terrible. Has this rather long discussion with moi furthered your read on me in any way? He said it before I said it though? And you said it after he said it I am pretty sure this is incorrect. However I do not care to check since I do not understand where you're going with this. Again, have any of your interactions with me changed your read at all? That's gonna be a no from me. You've interacted with me for like, two pages and you're no more or less convinced on what my alignment is despite me answering a shitload of your questions. Don't think I believe you.
Can sure be convinced to lynch Oatsmaster. Choosing you as the best D1 lynch strikes me as pretty ridiculous. He's just as obtuse as Vivax, but it feels more sinister. Vivax is maybe more...directionless, than malicious.
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On April 10 2018 03:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
Do the thing where she acts super suspicious about her vote on you
Why would she do that as Mafia? To avoid confronting the fact that she didn't have any justification for making that vote.
"Duh" comes to mind.
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On April 10 2018 03:24 Holyflare wrote:
Damdred's reentry is absolutely awful and I hate that oats says he's town for it. Damdred appears to have read nothing, has excused himself from playing till past deadline (fair enough if he's busy) says he'll vote with the wagons and then hard deflects to pretty much the towniest person in the thread off the scummiest.
And do you hate Damdred more for it or hate Oats more for it?
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On April 10 2018 03:34 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 03:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 03:18 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 03:02 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 03:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:55 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:22 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Calix, you said town vivax behaves exactly how vivax actually behaved this game in reference to explaining his read on you but you literally just ignore that? No, I said that Vivax already explained a scenario you posited in the thread, which would thus be the explanation for his actions were Vivax to flip town. Because that's what Vivax is claiming happened. I think this answer was exceedingly obvious, thus making your question terrible. Has this rather long discussion with moi furthered your read on me in any way? He said it before I said it though? And you said it after he said it I am pretty sure this is incorrect. However I do not care to check since I do not understand where you're going with this. Again, have any of your interactions with me changed your read at all? That's gonna be a no from me. You've interacted with me for like, two pages and you're no more or less convinced on what my alignment is despite me answering a shitload of your questions. Don't think I believe you. Can sure be convinced to lynch Oatsmaster. Choosing you as the best D1 lynch strikes me as pretty ridiculous. He's just as obtuse as Vivax, but it feels more sinister. Vivax is maybe more...directionless, than malicious. What do you think about damdred and skynx then? They also wanna lynch calix and they are objectively worse than me I don't want to lynch Calix?
You just said you might sheep Oats. That would mean lynching Calix.
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On April 10 2018 03:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 03:26 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 03:24 Holyflare wrote:
Damdred's reentry is absolutely awful and I hate that oats says he's town for it. Damdred appears to have read nothing, has excused himself from playing till past deadline (fair enough if he's busy) says he'll vote with the wagons and then hard deflects to pretty much the towniest person in the thread off the scummiest. And do you hate Damdred more for it or hate Oats more for it? Thing is I haven't quite decided which I hate more 
I hate Oats for it more than I hate Damdred for it.
Yeah, awful re-entry from Damdred, but it's another one of those instances that borders on "too awful." Like, where's his awareness, if he's scum?
Oats townreading him for it bothers me more, especially when you add it to him making Calix his lynch target.
Also, I think a red flip from Oats would yield more information about other players than a red flip from...possibly any other player in the game.
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