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On April 08 2018 21:09 Vivax wrote:
Nah haven't done much yet. I'm bit puzzled over what rayn meant with townie dumb on Vivax in one of his first posts. Otherwise I haven't really started scumhunting much yet. But no worries, I will deliver.
I heavily dislike the fact that rayn decided to judge me on paranoia alone though. Cause paranoia means that I scumread someone who is mostly townie looking and as seen from last game that doesn't mean I'm paranoid. It means that I believe a mafia is being widely townread. Since when is going against the grain paranoia?
That's a lot of words to say "I forgot to vote for rayn, I'll get on with that now" fam 
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What you need to know is that I caught rayn bullshitting about his supposed "mafia read" on me. #177 best case in the game, hands down.
As for your post, Skynx, I do not understand scum motivation for GB giving a reason to exit the thread, only just to violate this rule while under no pressure to do so. Mafia would be more likely to just give a reason and piss off. Keeps their story straight and means they have an excuse to not post innit.
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On April 08 2018 22:07 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2018 22:04 Calix wrote:
What you need to know is that I caught rayn bullshitting about his supposed "mafia read" on me. #177 best case in the game, hands down.
As for your post, Skynx, I do not understand scum motivation for GB giving a reason to exit the thread, only just to violate this rule while under no pressure to do so. Mafia would be more likely to just give a reason and piss off. Keeps their story straight and means they have an excuse to not post innit. I mean why lie about why you are going away if you're town though?
I have some ideas but I'll let GB answer first.
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On April 08 2018 22:14 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2018 22:04 Calix wrote:
What you need to know is that I caught rayn bullshitting about his supposed "mafia read" on me. #177 best case in the game, hands down.
As for your post, Skynx, I do not understand scum motivation for GB giving a reason to exit the thread, only just to violate this rule while under no pressure to do so. Mafia would be more likely to just give a reason and piss off. Keeps their story straight and means they have an excuse to not post innit. What about points on rayn?
As I understand it, you're accusing him of asking questions with no follow-up, particularly with regards to something about Damdred (?) and his posts towards currentlyhomeless. I think it's a valid point but then again, I am biased 
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Skynx can go into the townpile. Seems inquisitive and observant, shows a willingness to change his opinions based on new evidence, and doesn't seem to have any preconceived conclusions with his posts. Would not lynch today.
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ExO_ discussing QT slips? Confirmed not hacked.
On April 09 2018 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean like, do you think i as mafia dont push my reads and make "useless questions"?
Terrible argument.
I don't understand why Vivax randomly pops in to question rayn about time-stamps and then fucks off.
Or the actual reasons why rayn "thinks" I am mafia. Yes, there are some smatterings but there is no case as far as I can tell.
Or why rayn is defending himself against "never lying about something like that" (???). Half of rayn's posts seem divorced from anything going on in the thread. I can hardly tell what he is referring to half the time since he seems to mix up who he's talking to when he responds to people.
Basically I do not understand these two and I don't know what they're trying to do this game. Which makes me want to lynch them. Pretty simple stuff.
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On April 09 2018 01:06 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 01:05 Calix wrote:ExO_ discussing QT slips? Confirmed not hacked. On April 09 2018 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean like, do you think i as mafia dont push my reads and make "useless questions"? Terrible argument. I don't understand why Vivax randomly pops in to question rayn about time-stamps and then fucks off.
Or the actual reasons why rayn "thinks" I am mafia. Yes, there are some smatterings but there is no case as far as I can tell. Or why rayn is defending himself against "never lying about something like that" (???). Half of rayn's posts seem divorced from anything going on in the thread. I can hardly tell what he is referring to half the time since he seems to mix up who he's talking to when he responds to people. Basically I do not understand these two and I don't know what they're trying to do this game. Which makes me want to lynch them. Pretty simple stuff. ???
When you asked whether rayn could quote timestamps on his phone.
I don't want to bog down the chat with this because it's not that important. I just don't really 'get' why you asked that question out of the blue before rayn entered the thread.
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On April 09 2018 01:07 Vivax wrote:
It's a thin border between going guns blazing and openly shit-flinging, Calix.
You threatening to scum-read me, Vivax? Because it sure looks it.
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On April 09 2018 01:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 01:11 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 01:07 Vivax wrote:
It's a thin border between going guns blazing and openly shit-flinging, Calix. You threatening to scum-read me, Vivax? Because it sure looks it. Considering you are spreading false facts about me 1. Only talking to rayn about timestamps and 2. Me fucking off while I'm in the thread at the same time it's very tempting.
If it helps clarify matters, I wrote that post before I saw you pop back in to town-read ExO_. That's why I thought you had fucked off.
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On April 09 2018 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 01:29 Vivax wrote:
But if I don't approach it emotionally, I think you'd be playing a pretty bad scum game considering that you are not really attempting to be friends with the entire thread and stay under the radar. I am sorry but this is what her scumplay looks like. At least it did last time. Super dumb overly emotional arguments and that's it.
I'm still reviewing your post but trying to meta-read me off one game...over a year ago...where I stopped posting because of shite internet =/= good meta read.
If you're basing even 1% of your read on me because of that, stop. You simply do not know enough about how I play to make a proper judgment there.
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On April 09 2018 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 01:46 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 09 2018 01:29 Vivax wrote:
But if I don't approach it emotionally, I think you'd be playing a pretty bad scum game considering that you are not really attempting to be friends with the entire thread and stay under the radar. I am sorry but this is what her scumplay looks like. At least it did last time. Super dumb overly emotional arguments and that's it. I'm still reviewing your post but trying to meta-read me off one game...over a year ago...where I stopped posting because of shite internet =/= good meta read. If you're basing even 1% of your read on me because of that, stop. You simply do not know enough about how I play to make a proper judgment there. I am not, but if you are town this game then your town play is as shit as your scum play.
K.
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Fair play. I can admit that my accusation post was a bit OTT. I was just like "WOO FOUND MAFIA" and wasn't thinking
Anyway, the tl;dr of what I was going to say about your wall-post is that I wasn't meaning to 'accuse' GB when I asked him that question. It was just something I found, thought "hey this might be interesting" and posted it because why not, it's the early game. It's not that deep, basically.
Vivax was more of an accusation post but not 100% because I wanted clarification first. Dunno, I think the problem here is that you misread my intentions as being more...aggressive? than I intended them to be. And then you think I am scummy because I don't go about doing...whatever it is you think I should be doing. Hard to explain.
This doesn't really touch on a lot of what you wrote since, as said, I haven't properly read your post and absorbed it, but you can ask me questions to clarify things I haven't talked about in the meantime. You seem to have more free time now.
Also me being a raging hypocrite isn't AI.
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On April 09 2018 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Of course it is not deep, nothing is at this point. But it really sounded like you gave GB basically no "right" answers. I actually thought it made you a bit townier when you posted the Vivax post and in the same post called GB town but then you stated to call me mafia based on something i think you should realize is basically the opposite of what you said....
If you are really telling the truth about thinking i am mafia because "i should vote for you" why are you not reading Holyflare mafia as he agreed with your case (which if correct makes me mafia) but is not voting for me?
I'm aware you have used the 'no right answers' read in the past but that wasn't my intent. All I can really say there.
My argument for you being mafia was that you kept calling me things that made me mafia but hadn't really 'committed' yourself to that read which I thought was suspicious. Since a vote would have shown some commitment to the read, I talked about that as an example of 'not showing commitment'.
Since you have now cased me, this argument is no longer applicable.
I did notice HF not voting for you after calling you "mafia rayn". I just don't have a strong opinion on it other than "that's weird, I'll make a note of that for later" because he hasn't done anything else whereas you had the multiple posts calling me mafia.
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On April 09 2018 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well your "not showing commitment" is what people read me scum for every game nowdays. Hell in my last town game i was scum for not showing commitment and also showing commitment at the same time, as i was in the last game as mafia (yeah, ridiculous).
I am not sure why you don't have an opinion on this HF thing? Why is that weird, because from your POV and how you have approached the game i think it should be scummy, no? Also do you think "hasn't done anything else" makes him somehow townier? Because i can't really believe you don't what his (at least) approx skill level is.
My comments about your 'level of commitment' have nothing to do with previous game performances. As noted previously, I do not know you well enough to make that judgment call.
I do, I said it was weird and that I had filed it away for later but that I didn't have a strong opinion on it. If you're asking why I didn't post "HF not voting is weird" then that's because I wanted to see what HF would do whenever he returned BEFORE saying something.
Yes, I am aware of HF's reputation. I don't think him posting almost nothing else means anything at the moment.
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On April 09 2018 02:44 GlowingBear wrote:
I like the way this game is going.
Skynx, your scumread on me is complete bullshit. I'm trying not to make unflipped association, but daaaamn, that's hard.
Rayn, I don't have a read on you but I'm not scumreading you for lack of commitment. Just so you know.
Are you saying Skynx and I are on a scum team here?
As for my reads, I think you and Skynx are town.
I thought rayn and Vivax were scummy but I need to reevaluate given recent posts.
Didn't like Eversince ignoring the 'town read' questions.
Don't have a strong opinion on anyone else really, HF non-vote aside.
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On April 09 2018 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 02:43 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well your "not showing commitment" is what people read me scum for every game nowdays. Hell in my last town game i was scum for not showing commitment and also showing commitment at the same time, as i was in the last game as mafia (yeah, ridiculous).
I am not sure why you don't have an opinion on this HF thing? Why is that weird, because from your POV and how you have approached the game i think it should be scummy, no? Also do you think "hasn't done anything else" makes him somehow townier? Because i can't really believe you don't what his (at least) approx skill level is. My comments about your 'level of commitment' have nothing to do with previous game performances. As noted previously, I do not know you well enough to make that judgment call. I do, I said it was weird and that I had filed it away for later but that I didn't have a strong opinion on it. If you're asking why I didn't post "HF not voting is weird" then that's because I wanted to see what HF would do whenever he returned BEFORE saying something. Yes, I am aware of HF's reputation. I don't think him posting almost nothing else means anything at the moment. Okay i am confused. What HF says when he returns depends on my affiliation right? Which you think (idk if you anymore but at that point did for sure) is mafia. Why does it matter what he says if you think i am mafia? If you are "aware of his reputation" what does it matter if we are either mafia together or i am mafia and he is town? Like.... what difference does his answer make if i am mafia (as you thought) in any case?
Yeah I am not so sure on you anymore, lol. I didn't spot any serious incongruencies in your posts when I checked, at least.
Why wouldn't it matter? I find out what approach he wants to take with regards to you and then look at how he goes about doing...whatever it is he does. Or that was the plan, anyway p:
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On April 09 2018 02:58 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 02:54 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 02:44 GlowingBear wrote:
I like the way this game is going.
Skynx, your scumread on me is complete bullshit. I'm trying not to make unflipped association, but daaaamn, that's hard.
Rayn, I don't have a read on you but I'm not scumreading you for lack of commitment. Just so you know. Are you saying Skynx and I are on a scum team here?As for my reads, I think you and Skynx are town. I thought rayn and Vivax were scummy but I need to reevaluate given recent posts. Didn't like Eversince ignoring the 'town read' questions. Don't have a strong opinion on anyone else really, HF non-vote aside. Yeah, but I won't do that. It's bad. If you had to choose someone to lynch right now, who it would be?
What's bad is you scum-reading myself and my town-read. For shame
No idea. Whoever I'm scum-reading by EOD. And if I don't have a proper mafia read by EOD then I'll vote for some AFK scrub.
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Also I'm going to ask why you're still scum-reading me. I've posted quite a lot since you first voted for me. A lot of that posting had actual content in it. And you have not said whether any of that either gave you pause or made you feel more strongly about me. You've just asked some bland questions (what are your reads? Who would you lynch?) which don't specifically relate to anything I have said before you turned up. So I am curious.
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On April 09 2018 03:53 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 03:11 Calix wrote:
Also I'm going to ask why you're still scum-reading me. I've posted quite a lot since you first voted for me. A lot of that posting had actual content in it. And you have not said whether any of that either gave you pause or made you feel more strongly about me. You've just asked some bland questions (what are your reads? Who would you lynch?) which don't specifically relate to anything I have said before you turned up. So I am curious. I skimmed people's posts a bit. I'll read it properly later. I'm asking you these things because... well... that's how I usually play the game. I don't like your read on Skynx, it was way too fast to call him town. I don't understand why you may be calling rayn scum. Vivax being scum for reevaluating stuff that fast doesn't sound scum to me, I actually believe scum would refrain from exposing himself like that. I mean, he gives a scum read, then Damdred says "I don't think you are right because of these reasons", he agrees with those reasons and townreads me. I think it's a reasonable stream of thoughts. That being said, considering your contributions, I'd expect a better scumread. It's easy for mafia to call town people town. Comitting to reasonable calling someone scum, in the other hand, is not safe for mafia. When you posted your scumreads, you said you need to reevaluate. When you posted your townreads, you didn't say anything. It's just... easy to say you're going to lynch someone you find scum by EoD. That's obvious. That's why, although you've contributed, I can't take my weak scumread from you. I admit it's weak, but it is a scumread.
Wait, so it's 'way too fast' to call Skynx town but 'you expect a better scum-read' at this point after I just pursued two scum-reads? Really? Is it also not 'way too fast' to call you town as well? I don't know why you think my Skynx town-read is 'too hard and fast' when I've been town-reading you for longer.
I posted my scum-reads, then engaged with my scum-reads, then was presented with new information which = reevaluation process. Saying I need to reevaluate after I've had a discussion with my top scum-read is just common sense.
Ask better questions then.
Also how the fuck am I still a 'weak scumread' for you? That's lame. And hypocritical, if I may say so myself For the fact that you're lecturing me about shit scum-reads, your scum-read on me is shoddy.
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On April 09 2018 04:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 04:02 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 03:53 GlowingBear wrote:On April 09 2018 03:11 Calix wrote:
Also I'm going to ask why you're still scum-reading me. I've posted quite a lot since you first voted for me. A lot of that posting had actual content in it. And you have not said whether any of that either gave you pause or made you feel more strongly about me. You've just asked some bland questions (what are your reads? Who would you lynch?) which don't specifically relate to anything I have said before you turned up. So I am curious. I skimmed people's posts a bit. I'll read it properly later. I'm asking you these things because... well... that's how I usually play the game. I don't like your read on Skynx, it was way too fast to call him town. I don't understand why you may be calling rayn scum. Vivax being scum for reevaluating stuff that fast doesn't sound scum to me, I actually believe scum would refrain from exposing himself like that. I mean, he gives a scum read, then Damdred says "I don't think you are right because of these reasons", he agrees with those reasons and townreads me. I think it's a reasonable stream of thoughts. That being said, considering your contributions, I'd expect a better scumread. It's easy for mafia to call town people town. Comitting to reasonable calling someone scum, in the other hand, is not safe for mafia. When you posted your scumreads, you said you need to reevaluate. When you posted your townreads, you didn't say anything. It's just... easy to say you're going to lynch someone you find scum by EoD. That's obvious. That's why, although you've contributed, I can't take my weak scumread from you. I admit it's weak, but it is a scumread. Wait, so it's 'way too fast' to call Skynx town but 'you expect a better scum-read' at this point after I just pursued two scum-reads? Really? Is it also not 'way too fast' to call you town as well? I don't know why you think my Skynx town-read is 'too hard and fast' when I've been town-reading you for longer. I posted my scum-reads, then engaged with my scum-reads, then was presented with new information which = reevaluation process. Saying I need to reevaluate after I've had a discussion with my top scum-read is just common sense. Ask better questions then. Also how the fuck am I still a 'weak scumread' for you? That's lame. And hypocritical, if I may say so myself For the fact that you're lecturing me about shit scum-reads, your scum-read on me is shoddy. Uhm, let me express myself better. I'm not arguing about your townread on me. I think it's okay. Skynx, in the other hand, is a townread for a couple of posts that in my POV doesn't make him a strong townread. What he did can be faked (calling someone out then reevaluating right after it, then peacing out). I'd never give a townread on him because of that. I'm okay with your reevaluation process, but until you reevaluate, shouldn't you be lynching who you think it's mafia for now? I'm not lecturing you on anything. I'm as a good player as you are. You have to reevaluate rayn and vivax. I have to reevaluate you. But if you asked me: "who would you be lynching right now?", I would say "Calix", regardless of the need of reevaluation. You have the same weak scumreads as me, but you're not comitting in being lynching anyone. That's... evasive. Non-committal. That is what sounds scummy to me.
I hate to break the news to you, but I'm not you. Therefore saying that I'm scummy for reading people for different reasons to you is an invalid argument. I am happy with my town-read on Skynx. Deal with it.
Yes, I haven't unvoted and have no plans to. Because unvoting without having someone else to vote for is dumb. But right now, I'm not going to push for a lynch on someone that I am less sure of.
So because I didn't respond to a generic question in the way you would, I'm scummy? Again, I'm not you, and accusing me on the basis that I didn't say "Vivax/ rayn" for "best lynches" is pedantic. And non-committal? I've taken more stances than most of the game has.
I'm not going to feign confidence in my scum-reads if I am not actually as confident as I used to be.
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