EPTOn April 22 2018 04:08 Holyflare wrote:
why did you "switch to rayn" when he said he had a gun btw?
why did you "switch to rayn" when he said he had a gun btw?
because roleblocking him would prevent him from ending the game
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because roleblocking him would prevent him from ending the game | ||
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On April 22 2018 09:15 Holyflare wrote: I don't think there's anything you could say to change my mind, sorry. then there’s no need for me to continue to post as it’s a waste of my time  | ||
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On April 22 2018 10:24 Holyflare wrote: Protecting anyone other than me is a mafia claim IMO. Don't try and wifom the mafia, just save me. it actually literally doesn’t matter who I pick, whatever the alignments of you 3 are. Everything is and isn’t wifom at the same time lol | ||
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On April 22 2018 13:17 Holyflare wrote: It absolutely mattets. Calix is not confirmed town at all. Mafia cannot hold their shot. If you "rb" tube there's no kill and he claims his vest is used up regardless of if he's mafia or not. If you're mafia you shoot him and it's legit. If he's mafia you rb him and he fakes it. It becomes a he said she said scenario and we pick one (you). We gained no information. Alternatively you heal me, confirmed town. If I die then you are fucked. If calix dies we eliminate a non confirmed player. No gamble between truths. Potential confirmation of you. I'm still confirmed going into lylo. You must protect me. There is no alternative. Anything other than me is a scum claim. Saving someone or stopping the shot gives NO information so you must let it happen and save the confirmed towny. if I target you, mafia shoots you, how do we tell the difference? If tube is a real vet is he even notified his vest was used? also you are not confirmed town in this scenario either. If you’re scum then targetting you stops the shot. For the sake of making it easier let’s assume scum doesn’t shoot me because all 3 of you want to kill me. Here’s what I mean: Calix scum -> shoots me, you, or tube. Shoot tube = nothing happens. If I target Calix or you nothing happens. Tube scum -> shoots me, you, or Calix. If I target tube nothing happens. If I target you or Calix it depends on who tube shoots so it’s just 50/50 You scum -> shoots me, tube, or Calix. If I target you or Calix nothing happens. If you target tube nothing happens. Literally the only situation that would result in a kill happening is where tube is scum and tube guesses my target incorrectly. but now that we’ve talked about this if he’s scum he’ll just target you 100% actually there is one more option. I just hold my action and someone dies | ||
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HF I’m sure you know what it is. | ||
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On April 23 2018 00:33 Holyflare wrote: literally in the op lol mhmm literally meanwhile the VT PM isn’t there?😝 | ||
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On April 23 2018 21:06 Holyflare wrote: Not gonna change my mind, soz ch. Just gotta wait two days now. seems kinda silly to wait doesn’t it | ||
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On April 24 2018 01:53 Holyflare wrote: Lol if you fake claimed before tube I would have believed you is the sad thing. if I fake claimed it wouldn’t have been believable lol anyway you still have time to think over it, what I said ib my last post and why tube hasb’t done anything for multiple cycles | ||
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even after tube claims, the only remote possibility of me claiming is if I actually believed that role balance made one of exo or tube scum. and even if I did do that, from everyone else’s perspective that would mean there is minimum one scum among 5 people: me, exo, tube, you, rayn. 1 scum to 5 town is a worse ratio than the actual random lynch odds. Even if two scum are in that pile, which I had no reason to believe, it would be 2 to 5 which is much better but still doesn’t guarantee a scum lynch i.e. there’s one or two scum between me & exo & tube and one or zero between you & HF if there are 2 among 5. I don’t see why I would ever claim there. Just because others claimed is a pretty awful reason given how terrible the other 3 claim timings were. | ||
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On April 24 2018 08:23 Tubesock wrote: I’m not changing my mind either. ROFL | ||
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On April 24 2018 15:56 Holyflare wrote: If you claimed on the day of the blues, like you should have done, there'd be mafia between me and rayn and one of the blues. I don't think I'd ever believe someone that typed a whole wall of text on balance could believe that we'd have a vet that can stop kp, a jk that can save someone or block kp (jk is pretty broken) and a gunsmith that can give kp. That's potential on the end of n2 to have stopped two bullets and killed a mafia. Straight up broken. Yet you believed 4 blues was balanced in this instance. Furthermore, you only claimed when rayn was surely up for lynch and I noticed you start throwing shade on tube well before this. This suggested two things: 1. Rayn was a role that stopped you from killing tube. 2. You had to claim because tube and I would never lynch calix and we were guaranteed to lynch you. Your posts throughout that cycle were completely opportune. You neglected to ever look into rayn's hypocrisy and repeatedly tried to use it against calix and myself. Your 180 on me didn't make sense in the slightest since all I said was "you could be town" but never actually did any kind of commitment whereas you'd been sold on rayn being town throughout the game. I don't believe your jk targets either. Sure, you thought vivax was towny n1 but you were just about the only person who did think that. The other person thinking that was rayn, who was mafia. So to protect vivax n1 was straight up dumb. I talked about balance when there were more blues than that in the suggested setups. I guess you didn’t actually read the thread when I was responding to it at that time or you’d know that. Anyway none of the rest actually matters cause that’s what you see after you’ve already assumed I’m mafia. Lastly the Vivax thing is pretty hilarious to say when apparently you as scum would not kill someone you are hard pushing yet the same doesn’t apply to me for some reason? Why would I kill GB n1, who I was hard pushing? | ||
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Just look at what tube just posted. Remember what I said last night? He actually fell for that trap. You’re smart enough to figure out on your own what that means. And if not then of course we lose. | ||
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did you actually read my balance posts? [quote] Then SK + Jailor + cop + veteran would probably be balanced because there is sufficient anti-KP/faction balance and there are no breaking claim strategies. replace SK with gunsmith and see what happens?[/b] | ||
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Then SK + Jailor + cop + veteran would probably be balanced because there is sufficient anti-KP/faction balance and there are no breaking claim strategies. Gunsmith is town-affiliated, sure, but given that it’s half the KP it’s not like it is broken. | ||
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On April 24 2018 17:22 Holyflare wrote: This isn't the argument I'm putting forth though is it? My argument is that why would you protect somebody that nobody was town reading and your scum read was scum reading. Your argument seems to be why would you kill gb if you were mafia. Not the same at all. Why would I protect someone I was townreading???? He was literally my #1 townread, for all I cared everyone else on d1 could go fuck themselves. | ||
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[QUOTE]On April 24 2018 17:22 currentlyhomeless wrote: btw. did you actually read my balance posts? [quote] Then SK + Jailor + cop + veteran would probably be balanced because there is sufficient anti-KP/faction balance and there are no breaking claim strategies. replace SK with gunsmith and see what happens?[/QUOTE] Replace a third party that arbitrarily kills anyone with a town gunsmith claimable role that gives town kp? Not really. [/QUOTE] so you don’t understand my stance on balance re:KP but you are using it to claim I am mafia anyway. lololol anyway I find this a pointless waste of time, tube scum claimed on the previous page and for whatever reason you’re still trying to convince yourself your shitty read on me is good by arguing with me[/b] | ||
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On April 24 2018 17:24 Holyflare wrote: You're gonna have to prove to me why tube is mafia I'm afraid. why would a townie say he’s not gonna change change his mind in this situation. just think about what I said last night (which you noticed!) I actually did not expect that bluff to work at all actually | ||
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