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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 14 2018 10:33 GMT
#2201
Which you keep making excuses for not doing and then making decisions based on bad premises.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 14 2018 10:33 GMT
#2202
Also I am 100% certain ch is darthfoley, disformation or btdt.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 14 2018 10:38 GMT
#2203
On April 14 2018 19:33 Holyflare wrote:
Which you keep making excuses for not doing and then making decisions based on bad premises.


I'm busy and don't really give a damn about whether I'm lynched or not. But as said before, I am required to put in some effort so that people don't go "omg why didn't she try harder" post-lynch.

Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 14 2018 10:38 GMT
#2204
On April 14 2018 19:22 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2018 19:19 Calix wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
Even if you think we definitely contain mafia in this 50/50 there's 2 mafia left outside of the claims.

9 players left, in a group of 3 you think one is definitely mafia for some unknown reason.

5 players (don't include yourself obviously from your perspective) contain 2 mafia. One of those players (ts) is claimed blue. So you have 4 players to find 2 mafia in:

Ch, vivax, Skynx, oats.

I'm pretty sure I've seen you say vivax is town maybe (could be completely bs that I just made up but he's either mafia playing the most spammy game of his life by almost double the filter size or town) so that's oats/ch/skynx contains two mafia.

Why do you want to lynch a shit show that might not even contain mafia when you have a 66% chance (or higher, 100%! if we were framed!) to find mafia?


I think the NKs point to at least one (dunno how many) of you/ rayn/ Vivax because why else would AFK people keep dying over you guys? So when ExO popped in and was like "hai guys rayn and HF are different alignments" I figured that deciding which one of you is mafia = good idea since I figured "50:50 or better". I still think the role stuff is unhelpful and I don't care for it.

I do think Oats is likely mafia now. But I do not know who the third one is. Either it's the more 'conventional' solution where CH is mafia or one of Skynx/ Vivax is bussing. This paragraph doesn't contain deep analysis as to which world is more likely because I do not know.


If I'm pushing a town vivax non-stop and shitting up the thread and would vote him why would mafia stop me doing that?

On April 14 2018 19:24 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2018 19:22 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:19 Calix wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
Even if you think we definitely contain mafia in this 50/50 there's 2 mafia left outside of the claims.

9 players left, in a group of 3 you think one is definitely mafia for some unknown reason.

5 players (don't include yourself obviously from your perspective) contain 2 mafia. One of those players (ts) is claimed blue. So you have 4 players to find 2 mafia in:

Ch, vivax, Skynx, oats.

I'm pretty sure I've seen you say vivax is town maybe (could be completely bs that I just made up but he's either mafia playing the most spammy game of his life by almost double the filter size or town) so that's oats/ch/skynx contains two mafia.

Why do you want to lynch a shit show that might not even contain mafia when you have a 66% chance (or higher, 100%! if we were framed!) to find mafia?


I think the NKs point to at least one (dunno how many) of you/ rayn/ Vivax because why else would AFK people keep dying over you guys? So when ExO popped in and was like "hai guys rayn and HF are different alignments" I figured that deciding which one of you is mafia = good idea since I figured "50:50 or better". I still think the role stuff is unhelpful and I don't care for it.

I do think Oats is likely mafia now. But I do not know who the third one is. Either it's the more 'conventional' solution where CH is mafia or one of Skynx/ Vivax is bussing. This paragraph doesn't contain deep analysis as to which world is more likely because I do not know.


If I'm pushing a town vivax non-stop and shitting up the thread and would vote him why would mafia stop me doing that?


If vivax is stubborn town mule and is shitting up the thread and will only ever vote hf why would mafia kill him?


As for rayn...?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 14 2018 10:39 GMT
#2205
On April 14 2018 19:38 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2018 19:22 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:19 Calix wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
Even if you think we definitely contain mafia in this 50/50 there's 2 mafia left outside of the claims.

9 players left, in a group of 3 you think one is definitely mafia for some unknown reason.

5 players (don't include yourself obviously from your perspective) contain 2 mafia. One of those players (ts) is claimed blue. So you have 4 players to find 2 mafia in:

Ch, vivax, Skynx, oats.

I'm pretty sure I've seen you say vivax is town maybe (could be completely bs that I just made up but he's either mafia playing the most spammy game of his life by almost double the filter size or town) so that's oats/ch/skynx contains two mafia.

Why do you want to lynch a shit show that might not even contain mafia when you have a 66% chance (or higher, 100%! if we were framed!) to find mafia?


I think the NKs point to at least one (dunno how many) of you/ rayn/ Vivax because why else would AFK people keep dying over you guys? So when ExO popped in and was like "hai guys rayn and HF are different alignments" I figured that deciding which one of you is mafia = good idea since I figured "50:50 or better". I still think the role stuff is unhelpful and I don't care for it.

I do think Oats is likely mafia now. But I do not know who the third one is. Either it's the more 'conventional' solution where CH is mafia or one of Skynx/ Vivax is bussing. This paragraph doesn't contain deep analysis as to which world is more likely because I do not know.


If I'm pushing a town vivax non-stop and shitting up the thread and would vote him why would mafia stop me doing that?

Show nested quote +
On April 14 2018 19:24 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:22 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:19 Calix wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
Even if you think we definitely contain mafia in this 50/50 there's 2 mafia left outside of the claims.

9 players left, in a group of 3 you think one is definitely mafia for some unknown reason.

5 players (don't include yourself obviously from your perspective) contain 2 mafia. One of those players (ts) is claimed blue. So you have 4 players to find 2 mafia in:

Ch, vivax, Skynx, oats.

I'm pretty sure I've seen you say vivax is town maybe (could be completely bs that I just made up but he's either mafia playing the most spammy game of his life by almost double the filter size or town) so that's oats/ch/skynx contains two mafia.

Why do you want to lynch a shit show that might not even contain mafia when you have a 66% chance (or higher, 100%! if we were framed!) to find mafia?


I think the NKs point to at least one (dunno how many) of you/ rayn/ Vivax because why else would AFK people keep dying over you guys? So when ExO popped in and was like "hai guys rayn and HF are different alignments" I figured that deciding which one of you is mafia = good idea since I figured "50:50 or better". I still think the role stuff is unhelpful and I don't care for it.

I do think Oats is likely mafia now. But I do not know who the third one is. Either it's the more 'conventional' solution where CH is mafia or one of Skynx/ Vivax is bussing. This paragraph doesn't contain deep analysis as to which world is more likely because I do not know.


If I'm pushing a town vivax non-stop and shitting up the thread and would vote him why would mafia stop me doing that?


If vivax is stubborn town mule and is shitting up the thread and will only ever vote hf why would mafia kill him?


As for rayn...?


Not scum read n1 likely to be protected n2. Can you name another person on n2 that could be a likely medic save?

You've also still not seen my bait a few pages back which is quite worrying for your alignment.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 14 2018 10:39 GMT
#2206
Not town read n1*
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 14 2018 10:40 GMT
#2207
On April 14 2018 19:23 currentlyhomeless wrote:
yo tube I want your opinion

skynx
calix
oats
vivax

which one most likely to be scum?


Skynx, Calix, Vivax, Oats in that order. With Oats townread.
currentlyhomeless
Profile Joined April 2018
Japan405 Posts
April 14 2018 10:41 GMT
#2208
On April 14 2018 19:25 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2018 19:24 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:22 Vivax wrote:
/shitposting


hold my beer

scumteam is:

calix
skynx
vivax

x marks the spot


Why vivax?


literally the only reason to read vivax as town is the shitty meta read which i havent bothered to see if thats even real. and even if town vivax posts more hes self aware so it doesnt matter. if anything, being self aware is worse cause he’s fully aware hes not contributing anything helpful by spamming

everything else is scummy

-never reads, keeps pushing scum-aligned shit with outdated thread knowledge. like the rayn gun business

-throws shade on ideas without actually even seeming to understand them, pretty blatantly misrepresneting me multiple times. for example constantly saying i am sying nonsense full of it etc but when you read his posts actually he brings up no points to counter what i am saying. him saying you only have one town read (on him) was also a lie or just misrepresntation of what was in the thread

-one thing stood out was when i called him out for not voting calix. he didnt answer the question instead turned it on me “why arent you voting calix??” and claimed my read in calix is nonexistent. first assumes my read on calix, second this conclusion makes no sense if i dont have a read on a player why would i vote them
then claimed he thought you are scum then proceeds to pair us (wtf??) when you openly contradicted him in thread

but tl:dr by far the worst

claims that both rayn & hf are scum
goes on and on (wrongly) about how killing rayn is the rught thing to do since rayn has a gun if scum
but votes you?

ignoring that rayn cant have a gun, if he legitly thinks you are both scum and rayn has a gun he should be convincing us all to kill rayn but hes not doing that
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 14 2018 10:42 GMT
#2209
On April 14 2018 19:39 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2018 19:38 Calix wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:22 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:19 Calix wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
Even if you think we definitely contain mafia in this 50/50 there's 2 mafia left outside of the claims.

9 players left, in a group of 3 you think one is definitely mafia for some unknown reason.

5 players (don't include yourself obviously from your perspective) contain 2 mafia. One of those players (ts) is claimed blue. So you have 4 players to find 2 mafia in:

Ch, vivax, Skynx, oats.

I'm pretty sure I've seen you say vivax is town maybe (could be completely bs that I just made up but he's either mafia playing the most spammy game of his life by almost double the filter size or town) so that's oats/ch/skynx contains two mafia.

Why do you want to lynch a shit show that might not even contain mafia when you have a 66% chance (or higher, 100%! if we were framed!) to find mafia?


I think the NKs point to at least one (dunno how many) of you/ rayn/ Vivax because why else would AFK people keep dying over you guys? So when ExO popped in and was like "hai guys rayn and HF are different alignments" I figured that deciding which one of you is mafia = good idea since I figured "50:50 or better". I still think the role stuff is unhelpful and I don't care for it.

I do think Oats is likely mafia now. But I do not know who the third one is. Either it's the more 'conventional' solution where CH is mafia or one of Skynx/ Vivax is bussing. This paragraph doesn't contain deep analysis as to which world is more likely because I do not know.


If I'm pushing a town vivax non-stop and shitting up the thread and would vote him why would mafia stop me doing that?

On April 14 2018 19:24 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:22 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:19 Calix wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
Even if you think we definitely contain mafia in this 50/50 there's 2 mafia left outside of the claims.

9 players left, in a group of 3 you think one is definitely mafia for some unknown reason.

5 players (don't include yourself obviously from your perspective) contain 2 mafia. One of those players (ts) is claimed blue. So you have 4 players to find 2 mafia in:

Ch, vivax, Skynx, oats.

I'm pretty sure I've seen you say vivax is town maybe (could be completely bs that I just made up but he's either mafia playing the most spammy game of his life by almost double the filter size or town) so that's oats/ch/skynx contains two mafia.

Why do you want to lynch a shit show that might not even contain mafia when you have a 66% chance (or higher, 100%! if we were framed!) to find mafia?


I think the NKs point to at least one (dunno how many) of you/ rayn/ Vivax because why else would AFK people keep dying over you guys? So when ExO popped in and was like "hai guys rayn and HF are different alignments" I figured that deciding which one of you is mafia = good idea since I figured "50:50 or better". I still think the role stuff is unhelpful and I don't care for it.

I do think Oats is likely mafia now. But I do not know who the third one is. Either it's the more 'conventional' solution where CH is mafia or one of Skynx/ Vivax is bussing. This paragraph doesn't contain deep analysis as to which world is more likely because I do not know.


If I'm pushing a town vivax non-stop and shitting up the thread and would vote him why would mafia stop me doing that?


If vivax is stubborn town mule and is shitting up the thread and will only ever vote hf why would mafia kill him?


As for rayn...?


Not scum read n1 likely to be protected n2. Can you name another person on n2 that could be a likely medic save?

You've also still not seen my bait a few pages back which is quite worrying for your alignment.


I don't have a fucking clue who would have been shot. Someone who actually posted would have been my guess.

Had claims not gone down, I would probably not be town-reading anyone right now.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 14 2018 10:44 GMT
#2210
Right so.... Why are you confused why we are alive then?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 14 2018 10:45 GMT
#2211
No town reads, if vivax is town we're pushing town and if the alternative is you and you're town why change the game?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 14 2018 10:45 GMT
#2212
Yeah I don't think CH/ HF is a thing given D1 votes. Unless HF just randomly felt like bussing for shits and giggles. So that's one thing I feel confident about.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 14 2018 10:47 GMT
#2213
The more I read HF’s filter the more I think Vivax is scum. And Vivax’s filter is worse.
currentlyhomeless
Profile Joined April 2018
Japan405 Posts
April 14 2018 10:49 GMT
#2214
On April 14 2018 19:40 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2018 19:23 currentlyhomeless wrote:
yo tube I want your opinion

skynx
calix
oats
vivax

which one most likely to be scum?


Skynx, Calix, Vivax, Oats in that order. With Oats townread.


ok

i actually think vivax is best chance for scum today but i think i am tunneled atm
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 14 2018 10:49 GMT
#2215
On April 14 2018 19:45 Holyflare wrote:
No town reads, if vivax is town we're pushing town and if the alternative is you and you're town why change the game?


You guys are kinda the closest thing we have to the 'leader' players in this game so if the thread is murky, full of suspicious-looking people and the 'town leader' players only seem to be making the problem worse then that points to at least one of you guys being scum. Possibly two if there's some 'shit up the thread' strategy. HF/ rayn/ Vivax would be pretty sick but that's a bit too tinfoil and is incredibly unlikely anyway given cop stuff.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 14 2018 10:51 GMT
#2216
On April 14 2018 19:49 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2018 19:40 Tubesock wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:23 currentlyhomeless wrote:
yo tube I want your opinion

skynx
calix
oats
vivax

which one most likely to be scum?


Skynx, Calix, Vivax, Oats in that order. With Oats townread.


ok

i actually think vivax is best chance for scum today but i think i am tunneled atm


Yeah I’m not seeing him objectively. Rereading seems like his reads are basically if someone is nice to him they’re town and questions him they’re mafia. That seems like a bad way to play as scum lol
currentlyhomeless
Profile Joined April 2018
Japan405 Posts
April 14 2018 10:53 GMT
#2217
i wonder what scum will do if I vote calix here

i think hf is tied with calix but reached 3 first
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 14 2018 10:54 GMT
#2218
On April 14 2018 19:47 Tubesock wrote:
The more I read HF’s filter the more I think Vivax is scum. And Vivax’s filter is worse.


I was just doing the same thing and thinking how good I was day 1 and vivax is mafia lol.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
April 14 2018 10:55 GMT
#2219
Also I don't actually hate the points against Vivax. It is true that he's been unnecessarily emo, self-aware about meta and posting ridiculous theory after theory (even positing that ES/ Calix was a thing at one point) with little regard for evidence.

Although I am going to ask about the gun stuff. Because I also don't understand why rayn can't have a gun. I thought the "we should PL rayn" stuff was dumb (just lynch scum-reads) but I'm not seeing what stops a scum!rayn from having a gun.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 14 2018 10:55 GMT
#2220
On April 14 2018 19:54 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2018 19:47 Tubesock wrote:
The more I read HF’s filter the more I think Vivax is scum. And Vivax’s filter is worse.


I was just doing the same thing and thinking how good I was day 1 and vivax is mafia lol.


To clarify I don't actually think he's mafia now but I would have convinced myself day 1 if I wasn't me.
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