EPTOn March 20 2018 22:37 Mocsta wrote:
Gonna hit the sack but wanted to say overall this is a good day1 start.
~17pages with 20 people and enough content to gwnuinely scum hunt.
Over the next 24hours we need to focus on resolutions to these topics. With 20 players and ?5? Scum there is a 1/4 chance scum is in every convo. Consolidation will be key as last minute vote swaps is both scum favoured and will make future vote count analysis almost useless.
Off the top of my head big topics are:
Exo/kelsier
Noobking/HF
Probably moosey and the self vote
Df and the roleplay
Slam vibe change
I cant tell if koshi is in the mix or mentiined as collateral
I think only non posters are sicklucker and rels
Thoughts before bed and wjthout properly reading page 21 onwards.
Moose is town
I have no issue with df. Not sure why others are annoyed.
Exo kelsier is tvt
Hf uncertain
Nk scum
Slam need to read medic to confirm vibe change
Dark horse read is one of palmar and hf is scum
Not sure which
Something tickled me weird with palmar. Will see if it still triggers me when i wake.
Hf here cos i found him to be a bit more flacid than i am used to in palmar presence. Could be a respect thing. Meh.
Nite
Gonna hit the sack but wanted to say overall this is a good day1 start.
~17pages with 20 people and enough content to gwnuinely scum hunt.
Over the next 24hours we need to focus on resolutions to these topics. With 20 players and ?5? Scum there is a 1/4 chance scum is in every convo. Consolidation will be key as last minute vote swaps is both scum favoured and will make future vote count analysis almost useless.
Off the top of my head big topics are:
Exo/kelsier
Noobking/HF
Probably moosey and the self vote
Df and the roleplay
Slam vibe change
I cant tell if koshi is in the mix or mentiined as collateral
I think only non posters are sicklucker and rels
Thoughts before bed and wjthout properly reading page 21 onwards.
Moose is town
I have no issue with df. Not sure why others are annoyed.
Exo kelsier is tvt
Hf uncertain
Nk scum
Slam need to read medic to confirm vibe change
Dark horse read is one of palmar and hf is scum
Not sure which
Something tickled me weird with palmar. Will see if it still triggers me when i wake.
Hf here cos i found him to be a bit more flacid than i am used to in palmar presence. Could be a respect thing. Meh.
Nite
First occurrence of NK being scum here, by Mocsta, with saying one of Palmar/HF is scum
On March 21 2018 07:46 Mocsta wrote:
So... im in an odd predicament
(1) I have an important dinner tonight so wont be able to critically read anything
(2) Where I work has been thrown in an unplanned shutdown.. I really dont know if I can commit the time to apply critical thought.
I still think Day1 comes down to resolutions on the big topics:
Slam
Moosy
Ex0/KSC,
Koshi/Disfo/n00bking,
DF
Rest is probably side distractions.
My current (albeit loose) thoughts are:
Above null pile (Ex0_, rsoultin, vivax, rayn, Kelsier, ykl, disinfo, Palmar
Null pile (HF, Conversion, Slam, darthfoley, Rels, tictock, sicklucker, koshi, moosy)
Below null pile (n00bking)
Of the above null, I feel least strong about disinfo as its based on a heuristic that is gut feel only.
Conversion is in null pile as I havent focused on anything he has said.
Slam I would still need to meta-dive.
DF I actually like, but I give pause since so many others have issue. I wouldnt lynch today, and would prefer not to use a bullet on.
tictock is in null pile as I was surprised by the content since waking. Maybe im selfish, but I was quite surprised he didnt ask me anything.
moosy i agree is not on the table Day1. Could be easy mislynch; so focus on other scum team.
Apologies to leave it like this.
So... im in an odd predicament
(1) I have an important dinner tonight so wont be able to critically read anything
(2) Where I work has been thrown in an unplanned shutdown.. I really dont know if I can commit the time to apply critical thought.
I still think Day1 comes down to resolutions on the big topics:
Slam
Moosy
Ex0/KSC,
Koshi/Disfo/n00bking,
DF
Rest is probably side distractions.
My current (albeit loose) thoughts are:
Above null pile (Ex0_, rsoultin, vivax, rayn, Kelsier, ykl, disinfo, Palmar
Null pile (HF, Conversion, Slam, darthfoley, Rels, tictock, sicklucker, koshi, moosy)
Below null pile (n00bking)
Of the above null, I feel least strong about disinfo as its based on a heuristic that is gut feel only.
Conversion is in null pile as I havent focused on anything he has said.
Slam I would still need to meta-dive.
DF I actually like, but I give pause since so many others have issue. I wouldnt lynch today, and would prefer not to use a bullet on.
tictock is in null pile as I was surprised by the content since waking. Maybe im selfish, but I was quite surprised he didnt ask me anything.
moosy i agree is not on the table Day1. Could be easy mislynch; so focus on other scum team.
Apologies to leave it like this.
Palmar suddenly becomes above null, and HF is null. Abandons his Palmar/HF 50/50 scum theory?
On March 21 2018 08:55 Mocsta wrote:
n00bking
indulge with that Ni insight.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?user=n00bKing
What is your position on top 2 or 3 scum candidates.
+ Show Spoiler [NK] +
#144 - Setup speculation
#159 - Setup speculation
#188 - Vivax -> Moosy clarification: Read unknown
#276 - tictock -> ExO_ clarification: Read unknown
#278 - Interesting Slam comment (indicative of NK/Slam team). DF comment. Vote Disfo. ykl suggestive pressure. No true position taken (as liking Koshi vote can be similar to liking ykl pressure)
#280 - Critiquing grammer
#337 - Confirms that conversion is being ignored. Intentionally dodging ykl (of relevance, as later NK states ykl is good target for pressure. This should then present a fantastic opportunity to counter-pressure)
#339 - Does not take position on mcosta or tictock. Just states that mocsta logic is poor.
#340 - curious about slam. Odd phrasing. Trying to draw out information (one of the first posts from NK trying to do this) - the question is for what purpose.
#341 - Indicates agreement abotu Ex0 not reading the thread (or likely to be town)
#343 - Arguing actions in theory, with no comment on players at hand. Trys to sway HF into a disagreement with tictock
#344 - Comprehension question
#361 - Is arguing logic, without indicating a lean towards any player in question
#591 - Takes position that DF is leaning town
#592 - Filler
#595 - Debate logic. States Exo actions are indicative of town play; but at no points declare Ex0 town
#603 - Requests conversion to build a case against him
#604 - Wants to target lurkers and inexpereinced players to divulge motive.
LOL. now that I have filter dived
scrap that request
##Vote: n00bking
NK is playing filler this cycle, while chastising other players for being illogical.
Classic scum maintaining activity by shitting on others to avoid posting real content.
P.S.NK known for wordplay.. pay attention to end of day posts with moosy/prplhz last game. If NK flips scum, slam is almost certainly scum
n00bking
indulge with that Ni insight.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?user=n00bKing
What is your position on top 2 or 3 scum candidates.
+ Show Spoiler [NK] +
#144 - Setup speculation
#159 - Setup speculation
#188 - Vivax -> Moosy clarification: Read unknown
#276 - tictock -> ExO_ clarification: Read unknown
#278 - Interesting Slam comment (indicative of NK/Slam team). DF comment. Vote Disfo. ykl suggestive pressure. No true position taken (as liking Koshi vote can be similar to liking ykl pressure)
#280 - Critiquing grammer
#337 - Confirms that conversion is being ignored. Intentionally dodging ykl (of relevance, as later NK states ykl is good target for pressure. This should then present a fantastic opportunity to counter-pressure)
#339 - Does not take position on mcosta or tictock. Just states that mocsta logic is poor.
#340 - curious about slam. Odd phrasing. Trying to draw out information (one of the first posts from NK trying to do this) - the question is for what purpose.
#341 - Indicates agreement abotu Ex0 not reading the thread (or likely to be town)
#343 - Arguing actions in theory, with no comment on players at hand. Trys to sway HF into a disagreement with tictock
#344 - Comprehension question
#361 - Is arguing logic, without indicating a lean towards any player in question
#591 - Takes position that DF is leaning town
#592 - Filler
#595 - Debate logic. States Exo actions are indicative of town play; but at no points declare Ex0 town
#603 - Requests conversion to build a case against him
#604 - Wants to target lurkers and inexpereinced players to divulge motive.
LOL. now that I have filter dived
scrap that request
##Vote: n00bking
- Talks about present issues like ExO_, but rarely sharing own position on read
- Wants lurkers and new players to be pressured, but no where in filter gets hands dirty
- Argues heavily in favour of ExO, without declaring ExO town at any point.. At not point is demonstrating consideration for whether ExO / HF / tictock is T v T or T v S.
- Does not seem to consider Conversion is scum. Merely wasting time regardless of being earnest or genuine.
NK is playing filler this cycle, while chastising other players for being illogical.
Classic scum maintaining activity by shitting on others to avoid posting real content.
P.S.NK known for wordplay.. pay attention to end of day posts with moosy/prplhz last game. If NK flips scum, slam is almost certainly scum
Votes for NK, says he is scum. "Known for wordplay" assumes previous game meta being applied to scumread him here.
On March 20 2018 18:14 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah I'm just gonna vote noobking and have free mafia.
Yeah I'm just gonna vote noobking and have free mafia.
On March 21 2018 08:58 Mocsta wrote:
Perhaps its the ply of your toilet paper, but you havent tickled me yet in the way a town HF normally tickles me.
I realise I don't know how a scum!HF tickles, but I have certainly seen the town tickle across the games this year.
Until I see a bit more of that magic around the game, you are still in my null pile.
Perhaps its the ply of your toilet paper, but you havent tickled me yet in the way a town HF normally tickles me.
I realise I don't know how a scum!HF tickles, but I have certainly seen the town tickle across the games this year.
Until I see a bit more of that magic around the game, you are still in my null pile.
Point of contention here-- I do agree with HF. Why is Mocsta calling HF null when they share the scumread? should be at least the same level of Palmar since they agree with a scumread ? Question here for me is why is Palmar above HF with the similar read?
On March 21 2018 10:35 Mocsta wrote:
NK
I have no desire to argue with a scum read. Its pointless for the spectators.
The only comment I will make is that #652 reads like a classic scum "what have i done wrong" post.
The short of it is this: You are intelligent enough to have awareness of how you play the game as town. This is very clear from filter diving prior town/scum games. There is good consistency, so kudos to you.
However, following a checklist of town tells; doesn't account for the dynamic nature of each game as an individual sum of parts.
You are playing like old-school rubber-band AI; when you need to implement machine learning to truly be considered elite.
You are scum. Nothing further to say.
NK
I have no desire to argue with a scum read. Its pointless for the spectators.
The only comment I will make is that #652 reads like a classic scum "what have i done wrong" post.
The short of it is this: You are intelligent enough to have awareness of how you play the game as town. This is very clear from filter diving prior town/scum games. There is good consistency, so kudos to you.
However, following a checklist of town tells; doesn't account for the dynamic nature of each game as an individual sum of parts.
You are playing like old-school rubber-band AI; when you need to implement machine learning to truly be considered elite.
You are scum. Nothing further to say.
Reinforcing n00bking is scum, but doesn't re-evaluate his HF read
On March 21 2018 15:57 Mocsta wrote:
anyways, sorry slam
i had enough for today, and already 10 pages of filter for ppl to wake up to & i dont want to add anymore.
my vote is sticking with n00bking and i hope yours it too!
big split shenanies should be prevented in unknown setup game.
we need to be able to hold people accountable for voting actions once more informatino is known.
anyways, sorry slam
i had enough for today, and already 10 pages of filter for ppl to wake up to & i dont want to add anymore.
my vote is sticking with n00bking and i hope yours it too!
big split shenanies should be prevented in unknown setup game.
we need to be able to hold people accountable for voting actions once more informatino is known.
sticks with n00bking here
On March 22 2018 00:46 Mocsta wrote:
Wrfrf
Wht is ff voting nk
Yikes
Wrfrf
Wht is ff voting nk
Yikes
gets off n00bking because FF votes him? even though he was happy with disfo/nk wagon, hops off to Rels. Also, not a lot on FF from his filter from what I can gather... so why is FF voting for NK enough to make him vote off his preferred disfo/nk wagons? Wondering if disfo claimed here or not, would have to double check
On March 22 2018 07:27 Mocsta wrote:
i have to vote conversion at this point just to save myself ffs.
i dont think i filter-dived him before, so taking a leap of faith.
wtf is going on.
i have to vote conversion at this point just to save myself ffs.
i dont think i filter-dived him before, so taking a leap of faith.
wtf is going on.
This is not a good post. Instead of trying to divert a lynch towards one of his many scum reads, he just wants to coinflip on me. His vote pattern is now n00bking -> rels -> me
After that he goes back to rels and then leaves a farewell post.. that doesn't do much
