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On March 22 2018 22:18 rsoultin wrote:
ExO, explain your read on df please. I can't find a read on him in your filter anywhere, so if you have made one and I'm just being a tard with ctrl+f, if you could quote it that would be great.
(god, i'm a dip lol >< didn't even see that second spoiler from df in the moment)
Haven’t offered an opinion on DF, havent read him too closely either. However he agreed with my suspicions on you and I soft town read him at that point.
I’m still not convinced you aren’t scum though rsoul. The effort at End of Day makes me think yoy might be - but only because of effort and post count. Content wise I still think you’ve been really just meh on everyone except Slam. And I have to ask myself, were you pushing Rels based on a real read, or because you thought you could get others to go for him
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On March 22 2018 21:55 Palmar wrote:
He's bitching about me using the word actually. This is even on a surface level straight up scummy because this is not how you toneread. You can't just assume that all people talk the same. (I've tried to lynch LS for bad grammar, it's a terrible idea). But just to prove this to be a bullshit read without a doubt, here are some highlights from the last game I played:
Hahahahahaha.
The guy who just finished saying he doesn't meta people (and consequently, has NO idea if what he's trying to scumread me for is even alignment-indicative for me at all) wants to whine about me discussing a proven generalization regarding the use of the word "actually" that I did NOT use to scumread him. I didn't "bitch" about it at all. I used it as an *example* of what I was explaining to rayn about the psychology behind word choice. I used *that* example because it was fresh in my mind, having just happened.
I specifically said I have no interest in tossing you out of the game yet. And part of the reason is that I DON'T know you, and did not jump to the presumption that the way you used the word was good cause for scumreading YOU (individually), even though, in a vacuum, your post IS scum-indicative.
That means exactly ONE of us is NOT a hypocrite.
Hint:
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On March 22 2018 21:55 Palmar wrote:Oh and this part: Show nested quote +That said, I have no interest in eliminating Palmar from the game at this time, because several of his other posts (particularly ones during this Night Phase) reveal to me that he has a better-than-average understanding of the game mechanics and strategy. He understands the limitations on Day 1 scumhunting, he understands the reduced value of certain roleclaims, he understands the difference between a townlean/townread and "more likely to be town than scum." If he's town, he should eventually prove a strong asset in unraveling the game. I agree with this part. Although "better-than-average" is perhaps an unnecessarily weak description of my prowess. I'd have preferred something like "world-class".
Okay, world-class. Perhaps second only to me, even. Doesn't seem to be helping you produce a scumread who is actually scum at the moment, however. Best be keeping your eyes open.
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On March 22 2018 22:41 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 21:54 ExO_ wrote:On March 22 2018 21:15 n00bKing wrote:
Or should they not kill anyone, hold their shot, and hope to get off a shot later in the game? I think there's two approaches here I would consider: Shoot Disinfo. Operate on the assumption that Scum won't target him for KP going into Night 1. If he's telling the truth I'll know then. Especially with the way the voting went (chaos after he blue claimed) maybe could use his thoughts and my own thoughts to formulate an educated opinion on who is scum. And if he was lying, easy scum dead. Alternatively I might shoot Vivax. Might just be OMGUS but I don't think Vivax has scum hunted this game. I think his post have largely distracted town and can't make sense coming from a towny point of view. He's scum reading both myself and Keslier -- this doesn't make sense in my opinion. Particularly with the discussion I had with Keslier earlier in the day. And I don't think he's ever given a good explanation. + Show Spoiler +On March 22 2018 03:32 Calix wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count
disformation [5]: Koshi, n00bking, KelsierSC, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare n00bking [4]: Conversion, Holyflare, Mocsta, MoosyDoosy, Tictock, Fecalfeast, disformationKelsierSC [2]: ExO_, darthfoley rsoultin [1]: Alakaslam, Rels ExO_ [1]: Vivax, Tictock, MoosyDoosyAlakaslam [1]: rsoultin Rels [1]: Mocsta ykl [0]: AlakaslamMocsta [0]: MoosyDoosyTictock [0]: Mocsta, MoosyDoosyPalmar [0]: KoshiNot Voting [5]: ykl, Palmar, sicklucker, disformation, Alakaslam
disformation is currently the lynch.
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 21 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM. On March 22 2018 03:48 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote KelsierSC At the time, Keslier is the 3rd wagon but 2 votes behind. He hops on the wagon with me, his primary scum read all game. I'm just not sure I believe if he really thinks I'm scum he's going to hop on a wagon with me to try to get traction for a new target (or just throw his vote away on 3rd party). So Vivax or Disinfo. I feel like if I was a better player I would go with Disinfo because potentially more information could be learned by confirming he's blue. However I personally would be more likely to go with Vivxa: I think he's likely to be scum. Thanks. A potential flaw in your disformation plan is that, again, he could be a mafia Veteran. So I think that would keep him from being a good Vigilante target, even aside from the talk of how a Vigilante is better off shooting into the trash-tier people who aren't really playing.
There's no such thing as mafia veteran.
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On March 22 2018 22:51 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 22:18 rsoultin wrote:
ExO, explain your read on df please. I can't find a read on him in your filter anywhere, so if you have made one and I'm just being a tard with ctrl+f, if you could quote it that would be great.
(god, i'm a dip lol >< didn't even see that second spoiler from df in the moment) Haven’t offered an opinion on DF, havent read him too closely either. However he agreed with my suspicions on you and I soft town read him at that point. I’m still not convinced you aren’t scum though rsoul. The effort at End of Day makes me think yoy might be - but only because of effort and post count. Content wise I still think you’ve been really just meh on everyone except Slam. And I have to ask myself, were you pushing Rels based on a real read, or because you thought you could get others to go for him
I'm glad that you've realized that I can only literally be two alignments this game. I will admit that my push on Rels was pretty bad, because it was mostly emotional and I probably should have let that go in favor of a lynch I could be more objective about.
I'm going to ignore the part where you said I might be scum only for effort and post count as the obvious writing mistake it was.
So, why was DF more of a slight townread to you than Rels when practically all that Rels was doing was calling me scum/a good lynch?
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My rules are for other people, not myself.
My case is for other people, not you.
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On March 22 2018 23:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 22:41 n00bKing wrote:On March 22 2018 21:54 ExO_ wrote:On March 22 2018 21:15 n00bKing wrote:
Or should they not kill anyone, hold their shot, and hope to get off a shot later in the game? I think there's two approaches here I would consider: Shoot Disinfo. Operate on the assumption that Scum won't target him for KP going into Night 1. If he's telling the truth I'll know then. Especially with the way the voting went (chaos after he blue claimed) maybe could use his thoughts and my own thoughts to formulate an educated opinion on who is scum. And if he was lying, easy scum dead. Alternatively I might shoot Vivax. Might just be OMGUS but I don't think Vivax has scum hunted this game. I think his post have largely distracted town and can't make sense coming from a towny point of view. He's scum reading both myself and Keslier -- this doesn't make sense in my opinion. Particularly with the discussion I had with Keslier earlier in the day. And I don't think he's ever given a good explanation. + Show Spoiler +On March 22 2018 03:32 Calix wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count
disformation [5]: Koshi, n00bking, KelsierSC, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare n00bking [4]: Conversion, Holyflare, Mocsta, MoosyDoosy, Tictock, Fecalfeast, disformationKelsierSC [2]: ExO_, darthfoley rsoultin [1]: Alakaslam, Rels ExO_ [1]: Vivax, Tictock, MoosyDoosyAlakaslam [1]: rsoultin Rels [1]: Mocsta ykl [0]: AlakaslamMocsta [0]: MoosyDoosyTictock [0]: Mocsta, MoosyDoosyPalmar [0]: KoshiNot Voting [5]: ykl, Palmar, sicklucker, disformation, Alakaslam
disformation is currently the lynch.
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 21 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM. On March 22 2018 03:48 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote KelsierSC At the time, Keslier is the 3rd wagon but 2 votes behind. He hops on the wagon with me, his primary scum read all game. I'm just not sure I believe if he really thinks I'm scum he's going to hop on a wagon with me to try to get traction for a new target (or just throw his vote away on 3rd party). So Vivax or Disinfo. I feel like if I was a better player I would go with Disinfo because potentially more information could be learned by confirming he's blue. However I personally would be more likely to go with Vivxa: I think he's likely to be scum. Thanks. A potential flaw in your disformation plan is that, again, he could be a mafia Veteran. So I think that would keep him from being a good Vigilante target, even aside from the talk of how a Vigilante is better off shooting into the trash-tier people who aren't really playing. There's no such thing as mafia veteran.
False.
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On March 22 2018 23:06 Palmar wrote:
My rules are for other people, not myself.
That would be a fair paraphrasing of how I described you being a hypocrite, sure.
On March 22 2018 23:06 Palmar wrote:
My case is for other people, not you.
I might need to strip you of that "world class" rank then. IF you are Town, then there is one person whose feedback you should MOST want, about your case. Your target's feedback. If you're scum, then the less you directly interact with your target about your points against them, the better you'll probably like it.
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On March 22 2018 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax, rsoultin, Moosydoosy, Kelsier, darthfoley.
Assuming this is a scum list, what made you change your mind about Moosy?
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Never mind, I was just not reading apparently.
Going back to not posting till I’ve actually read stuff.
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On March 22 2018 23:09 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 23:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 22 2018 22:41 n00bKing wrote:On March 22 2018 21:54 ExO_ wrote:On March 22 2018 21:15 n00bKing wrote:
Or should they not kill anyone, hold their shot, and hope to get off a shot later in the game? I think there's two approaches here I would consider: Shoot Disinfo. Operate on the assumption that Scum won't target him for KP going into Night 1. If he's telling the truth I'll know then. Especially with the way the voting went (chaos after he blue claimed) maybe could use his thoughts and my own thoughts to formulate an educated opinion on who is scum. And if he was lying, easy scum dead. Alternatively I might shoot Vivax. Might just be OMGUS but I don't think Vivax has scum hunted this game. I think his post have largely distracted town and can't make sense coming from a towny point of view. He's scum reading both myself and Keslier -- this doesn't make sense in my opinion. Particularly with the discussion I had with Keslier earlier in the day. And I don't think he's ever given a good explanation. + Show Spoiler +On March 22 2018 03:32 Calix wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count
disformation [5]: Koshi, n00bking, KelsierSC, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare n00bking [4]: Conversion, Holyflare, Mocsta, MoosyDoosy, Tictock, Fecalfeast, disformationKelsierSC [2]: ExO_, darthfoley rsoultin [1]: Alakaslam, Rels ExO_ [1]: Vivax, Tictock, MoosyDoosyAlakaslam [1]: rsoultin Rels [1]: Mocsta ykl [0]: AlakaslamMocsta [0]: MoosyDoosyTictock [0]: Mocsta, MoosyDoosyPalmar [0]: KoshiNot Voting [5]: ykl, Palmar, sicklucker, disformation, Alakaslam
disformation is currently the lynch.
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 21 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM. On March 22 2018 03:48 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote KelsierSC At the time, Keslier is the 3rd wagon but 2 votes behind. He hops on the wagon with me, his primary scum read all game. I'm just not sure I believe if he really thinks I'm scum he's going to hop on a wagon with me to try to get traction for a new target (or just throw his vote away on 3rd party). So Vivax or Disinfo. I feel like if I was a better player I would go with Disinfo because potentially more information could be learned by confirming he's blue. However I personally would be more likely to go with Vivxa: I think he's likely to be scum. Thanks. A potential flaw in your disformation plan is that, again, he could be a mafia Veteran. So I think that would keep him from being a good Vigilante target, even aside from the talk of how a Vigilante is better off shooting into the trash-tier people who aren't really playing. There's no such thing as mafia veteran. False.
Point to me a game on to mafia that isn't themed that has a mafia veteran.
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well nk is right. technically there is a possibility for mafia vet. Or town roleblocker. Or a lot of other stuff.
On March 15 2018 21:25 Calix wrote:Setup - Semi-open setup. - The following roles can be used and can be of any alignment: Veteran, Roleblocker, Doctor, Jailkeeper, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Tracker, Watcher, Vigilante, Vanilla. - The following roles may be used and can only be of the mafia alignment: Strongman, Backup. - Roles may or may not be X-shot. This will be stated in your role PMs as "X-shot [role]" (e.g., 1-shot Strongman)
honestly:
just do what palmar suggested. make me play and proof I am town.
If you guys don't think i'm town, lynch me.
warming up to palmar now that he is actually playing.
don't think rs is scum. EoD makes me think wrong/tunneled town. Don't think scum would want to stick out like that.
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On March 22 2018 23:18 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 23:09 n00bKing wrote:On March 22 2018 23:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 22 2018 22:41 n00bKing wrote:On March 22 2018 21:54 ExO_ wrote:On March 22 2018 21:15 n00bKing wrote:
Or should they not kill anyone, hold their shot, and hope to get off a shot later in the game? I think there's two approaches here I would consider: Shoot Disinfo. Operate on the assumption that Scum won't target him for KP going into Night 1. If he's telling the truth I'll know then. Especially with the way the voting went (chaos after he blue claimed) maybe could use his thoughts and my own thoughts to formulate an educated opinion on who is scum. And if he was lying, easy scum dead. Alternatively I might shoot Vivax. Might just be OMGUS but I don't think Vivax has scum hunted this game. I think his post have largely distracted town and can't make sense coming from a towny point of view. He's scum reading both myself and Keslier -- this doesn't make sense in my opinion. Particularly with the discussion I had with Keslier earlier in the day. And I don't think he's ever given a good explanation. + Show Spoiler +On March 22 2018 03:32 Calix wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count
disformation [5]: Koshi, n00bking, KelsierSC, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare n00bking [4]: Conversion, Holyflare, Mocsta, MoosyDoosy, Tictock, Fecalfeast, disformationKelsierSC [2]: ExO_, darthfoley rsoultin [1]: Alakaslam, Rels ExO_ [1]: Vivax, Tictock, MoosyDoosyAlakaslam [1]: rsoultin Rels [1]: Mocsta ykl [0]: AlakaslamMocsta [0]: MoosyDoosyTictock [0]: Mocsta, MoosyDoosyPalmar [0]: KoshiNot Voting [5]: ykl, Palmar, sicklucker, disformation, Alakaslam
disformation is currently the lynch.
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 21 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM. On March 22 2018 03:48 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote KelsierSC At the time, Keslier is the 3rd wagon but 2 votes behind. He hops on the wagon with me, his primary scum read all game. I'm just not sure I believe if he really thinks I'm scum he's going to hop on a wagon with me to try to get traction for a new target (or just throw his vote away on 3rd party). So Vivax or Disinfo. I feel like if I was a better player I would go with Disinfo because potentially more information could be learned by confirming he's blue. However I personally would be more likely to go with Vivxa: I think he's likely to be scum. Thanks. A potential flaw in your disformation plan is that, again, he could be a mafia Veteran. So I think that would keep him from being a good Vigilante target, even aside from the talk of how a Vigilante is better off shooting into the trash-tier people who aren't really playing. There's no such thing as mafia veteran. False. Point to me a game on to mafia that isn't themed that has a mafia veteran.
The one you're in.
"- The following roles can be used and can be of any alignment: Veteran, Roleblocker, Doctor, Jailkeeper, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Tracker, Watcher, Vigilante, Vanilla."
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Just because it says it why would it be true? What possible world would there ever be a mafia veteran? Gimps town kp and makes it harder. Never seen it in my life.
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So, Conversion, now that your point on mocsta was proven moot why don't you agree with the case on him enough to lynch him?
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@HF I'm going to dive him now to reply to you. The big point was his read on n00bking and you in conjunction made little sense-- aside from me butchering the case itself (Which I'll dig out from your filter) is there any other nuance/big point I should be critically thinking about while looking through?
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also can we stop the setup talk? let the people with roles worry about them and besides that it just reads as spam
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+ Show Spoiler [colored votes] +
Day 1 Final Vote Count
Rels [7]: Mocsta, rsoultin, Mocsta, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, Conversion, darthfoley, n00bking, raynpelikoneet, ExO_ Mocsta [4]: MoosyDoosy, Holyflare, Fecalfeast, MoosyDoosy, Rels, MoosyDoosy darthfoley [3]: KelsierSC, raynpelikoneet, Conversion, disformation, ykl, raynpelikoneetConversion [1]: Koshi, darthfoley, disformation, rsoultin, Mocsta, MoosyDoosyKelsierSC [1]: ExO_, darthfoley, Vivax, MoosyDoosyn00bking [1]: Conversion, Holyflare, Mocsta, MoosyDoosy, Tictock, Fecalfeast, disformationdisformation [1]: Koshi, n00bking, KelsierSC, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare, Palmar rsoultin [0]: Alakaslam, Relssicklucker [0]: n00bkingAlakaslam [0]: rsoultinExO_ [0]: Vivax, Tictock, MoosyDoosyykl [0]: AlakaslamTictock [0]: Mocsta, MoosyDoosyPalmar [0]: KoshiNot Voting [2]: Coagulation, Alakaslam
fantastic.
2 no voters.
4 solo voters.
pretty shady wagon on rels.
moosy all over the things.
random note: there seems to be quite some consensus on nk after all, but basically no votes on him at eod. If he flips scum at some point looking for softbusses on him might be a good idea.
will probably look at the rels voter later when i got more time.
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Caught up reading the thread. Lets get this out of the way.
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