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On March 22 2018 10:34 Vivax wrote:
Should I ever have a reason to remove ExO or Kelsier from my scumreads, I'll have Palmar take their place.
I could just add him but that list would be one man too long for my taste. It might be fine if he's a dwarf.
What's a dwarf, in this context?
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On March 22 2018 18:48 Palmar wrote:
I love how it took less than 1 page of mocsta's 7 page filter for him to drop the stupid post restriction :D
More town-indicative than the opposite, I would say, if I needed to pick one way or the other. Agree/disagree?
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So why exactly are people town reading mocsta enough that he wasn't the lynch yesterday? Nobody other than himself even commented on my posts (maybe rayn a bit by proxy).
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On March 22 2018 20:07 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 20:01 Holyflare wrote:
She was rude to ykl. Asked him if he couldn't post in thread or something. Ok, I'll check back and look for that. I mostly remembered her being (more) rude to Exo. Though I can understand her frustration with him. lol
1) Why is rsoul's filter 8 pages already? argh! Is she still this spammy as scum? (I would assume yes, but can't hurt to check.)
2) Is this the post you mean?
On March 22 2018 07:50 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 07:50 ykl wrote:
Ehh, I don't really like the other lynch choices up right now so I'll go with darthfoley Took you four minutes to formulate this sentence did it?
I read that more as being suspicious of him taking a long time to craft a "decision post" about where to vote, instead of reading it as rudeness about "are you too dumb to make sentences?"
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On March 22 2018 18:10 Palmar wrote:
My gut says that veteran is both a stupid and weird claim for mafia to make. It's also one of those types of claims that bad townies feel really comfortable revealing, because they don't understand the role of a veteran in the game. Thus if I was forced to bet, I'd bet town on disfo.
That doesn't make it the wrong play to lynch him. He fucked up and should be lynched, and of course there's very much a possibility he's just mafia fakeclaiming a vet.
We should not forget the possibility that he is mafia TRUEclaming vet. There's nothing stopping the mafia from having a vet, so that's something that makes it a little less attractive for having a Role Cop check him.
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Hf
Move on. This is boring.
Im finding this game quite hard.
Frankly, if i was scum i would never be in a position where people think i dont have a read
Like... why are you ok with ff and moosy voting me?
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Because they're sheeping my scum read? What kind of question is that?
Also, this has nothing to do with you actually being mafia. It's absolutely about getting reads on other people.
You said my points were fair, my case wasn't bad so why are people town reading you when you didn't have a scum read? Important questions here because that could formulate tmi on you if you're town.
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Awake now, but tired.
This is a part of the game I struggle with, feeling motivated to filter dive and scum hunt after the mislynch. I haven't gone back and read exactly what went down at EoD yesterday. I had about two minutes to either switch my vote or leave it worthless on Kelsier -- I chose to switch to Rels because out of the options he seemed like the most likely to be scum.
Either way, I'm feeling bleh about it.
Rayn you said you were interested in me. Do you or anybody else have questions I can answer?
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As for raynpelikoneet's giant post about me:
On March 22 2018 18:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
"Dumbtell" about setup.
In neither case are those dumbtells. They're just good questions to have answers to. And in the example from this game, a question the mafia would NOT want us to have an answer to.
On March 22 2018 18:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also then there is the shit where he forgets all his scumreads and votes for an afk person
I made clear who I was interested in lynching. Those targets were not up for lynch at EoD, the votes just weren't there. Taking a stab in the dark at Rels (when he at least had begun playing, and showed enough effort to read/skim the majority of the game) instead of taking the paint-by-numbers play of consolidating onto sicklucker IS NOT what I think we should have done, and I made THAT clear as well. But consolidation onto the afk didn't happen, and taking the stab at Rels was the nearest thing to it, so that's what I did, to ensure that it would take a DEDICATED last-minute push for anyone to get darthfoley into the Noose. Because I thought he was obviously a subpar lynch, and if he got the Noose anyway, I wanted to be able to see whose fault it was.
With regard to questioning ykl about his word selection:
The thing you SHOULD have noticed is that he DOESN'T want to answer me. When we had the first exchange about his double-usage of the word "instead" I asked him if he was nervous about something, because his word selection indicated to me that I was making him nervous, or uncomfortable. To his credit, he ADMITTED to being nervous, instead of following up his discomfort by lying about it to me. The next time I questioned him about his word choice, he failed to answer, and left. When I brought it up again later, he answered with a question that didn't give me an answer to my question. I immediately pointed out that he didn't answer the question and he left again.
When comparing this to my questioning of HF about his word choice in the previous game, yes, they do look the same, and SHOULD look the same. Because at that stage in that game, I felt free to simply question HF in exactly the same manner I would if I had been Town. Did I have mafia motivation for wanting his lynch? Yes. Did that impact the way I went about interrogating him? Not in any way whatsoever.
And this shit MATTERS. If I post a multi-point case against someone, and one of the points involves their word selection, then if you don't find that evidence compelling, you can dismiss it and decide if the other points move you or not. But I think you'd be making a mistake, because in my experience, understanding the psychology behind word choice is very helpful in these games.
For example:
On March 22 2018 19:06 Palmar wrote:
I actually really like rayn's last quote on noobking. That was a perfectly readable sentence by ykl, but noobking decided to be obtuse about it.
Is it *possible* for someone to say that, and ALSO mean it? Yeah, it's possible. But the presence of the word "actually" directly reduces the chance that Palmar believes what he is saying. And increases the chance that he is scum, does not find what you said to be interesting or worthwhile at all, but will nevertheless take the opportunity to cast aspersions at me, simply because I'm not on the scum roster.
That said, I have no interest in eliminating Palmar from the game at this time, because several of his other posts (particularly ones during this Night Phase) reveal to me that he has a better-than-average understanding of the game mechanics and strategy. He understands the limitations on Day 1 scumhunting, he understands the reduced value of certain roleclaims, he understands the difference between a townlean/townread and "more likely to be town than scum." If he's town, he should eventually prove a strong asset in unraveling the game.
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On March 22 2018 21:01 ExO_ wrote:
This is a part of the game I struggle with, feeling motivated to filter dive and scum hunt after the mislynch.
Pretty big part of the game, bro. We're expected to mislynch on Day 1. This is what comes next. *shrug*
On March 22 2018 21:01 ExO_ wrote:
Rayn you said you were interested in me. Do you or anybody else have questions I can answer?
Ooh, ooh! I have a question you can answer. Imagine a hypothetical world where we have a Vigilante. Whom should they kill tonight, and why?
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Or should they not kill anyone, hold their shot, and hope to get off a shot later in the game?
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On March 22 2018 20:38 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 18:10 Palmar wrote:
My gut says that veteran is both a stupid and weird claim for mafia to make. It's also one of those types of claims that bad townies feel really comfortable revealing, because they don't understand the role of a veteran in the game. Thus if I was forced to bet, I'd bet town on disfo.
That doesn't make it the wrong play to lynch him. He fucked up and should be lynched, and of course there's very much a possibility he's just mafia fakeclaiming a vet. We should not forget the possibility that he is mafia TRUEclaming vet. There's nothing stopping the mafia from having a vet, so that's something that makes it a little less attractive for having a Role Cop check him.
right yeah, I kinda meant that as a possibility. To me a mafia "fakeclaim" and "trueclaim" are the same thing as both can only be proven by lynching the person involved (I forgot about the possiblity of a role cop, it's not a common role).
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On March 22 2018 21:09 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 19:06 Palmar wrote:
I actually really like rayn's last quote on noobking. That was a perfectly readable sentence by ykl, but noobking decided to be obtuse about it. Is it *possible* for someone to say that, and ALSO mean it? Yeah, it's possible. But the presence of the word "actually" directly reduces the chance that Palmar believes what he is saying. And increases the chance that he is scum, does not find what you said to be interesting or worthwhile at all, but will nevertheless take the opportunity to cast aspersions at me, simply because I'm not on the scum roster. That said, I have no interest in eliminating Palmar from the game at this time, because several of his other posts (particularly ones during this Night Phase) reveal to me that he has a better-than-average understanding of the game mechanics and strategy. He understands the limitations on Day 1 scumhunting, he understands the reduced value of certain roleclaims, he understands the difference between a townlean/townread and "more likely to be town than scum." If he's town, he should eventually prove a strong asset in unraveling the game.
I think we should kill noobking. That'd be good.
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my bad.
I actually think we should kill noobking.
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On March 22 2018 21:39 Palmar wrote:
my bad.
I actually think we should kill noobking. Why him over moosy, Ex0_, FF, Coagulation, tictock?
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On March 22 2018 21:15 n00bKing wrote:
Or should they not kill anyone, hold their shot, and hope to get off a shot later in the game?
I think there's two approaches here I would consider:
Shoot Disinfo. Operate on the assumption that Scum won't target him for KP going into Night 1. If he's telling the truth I'll know then. Especially with the way the voting went (chaos after he blue claimed) maybe could use his thoughts and my own thoughts to formulate an educated opinion on who is scum. And if he was lying, easy scum dead.
Alternatively I might shoot Vivax. Might just be OMGUS but I don't think Vivax has scum hunted this game. I think his post have largely distracted town and can't make sense coming from a towny point of view. He's scum reading both myself and Keslier -- this doesn't make sense in my opinion. Particularly with the discussion I had with Keslier earlier in the day. And I don't think he's ever given a good explanation.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 22 2018 03:32 Calix wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count
disformation [5]: Koshi, n00bking, KelsierSC, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare n00bking [4]: Conversion, Holyflare, Mocsta, MoosyDoosy, Tictock, Fecalfeast, disformationKelsierSC [2]: ExO_, darthfoley rsoultin [1]: Alakaslam, Rels ExO_ [1]: Vivax, Tictock, MoosyDoosyAlakaslam [1]: rsoultin Rels [1]: Mocsta ykl [0]: AlakaslamMocsta [0]: MoosyDoosyTictock [0]: Mocsta, MoosyDoosyPalmar [0]: KoshiNot Voting [5]: ykl, Palmar, sicklucker, disformation, Alakaslam
disformation is currently the lynch.
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 21 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM. On March 22 2018 03:48 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote KelsierSC
At the time, Keslier is the 3rd wagon but 2 votes behind. He hops on the wagon with me, his primary scum read all game. I'm just not sure I believe if he really thinks I'm scum he's going to hop on a wagon with me to try to get traction for a new target (or just throw his vote away on 3rd party).
So Vivax or Disinfo. I feel like if I was a better player I would go with Disinfo because potentially more information could be learned by confirming he's blue. However I personally would be more likely to go with Vivxa: I think he's likely to be scum.
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To clarify to slower than normal people:
a) rayn's point is very good. This post here:
On March 20 2018 17:23 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 13:20 ykl wrote:On March 20 2018 12:27 n00bKing wrote:On March 20 2018 12:16 ykl wrote:
instead makes a quick side track to challenge Ticktock instead. Nervous about something? Yeah, slightly. Nice deflect though, would you still want to address why you choose to completely ignore the person that's scum reading and voting for you? "Still?" I don't think I ever offered any indication that I was interested in addressing that. If I end up having something to say to Conversion, I'll do so. Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 13:20 ykl wrote:
I'm also having a hard time seeing where you are voting for makes sense. You apparently scumread both me and disformation but never really provided a good explanation as to why you think Koshi's vote on disformation is a good case at all to the point where you'd follow that vote instead. "Instead?" Like, instead of following some other vote? Which vote was I supposed to follow "instead?"
Is noobking being obtuse with wording that literally everyone would have understood easily. ykl is complaining that noobking votes disfo instead of following his own leads on disfo and ykl himself. But instead of answering the question noobking chooses to be an ass about it.
Then in the post about me:
s it *possible* for someone to say that, and ALSO mean it? Yeah, it's possible. But the presence of the word "actually" directly reduces the chance that Palmar believes what he is saying. And increases the chance that he is scum, does not find what you said to be interesting or worthwhile at all, but will nevertheless take the opportunity to cast aspersions at me, simply because I'm not on the scum roster.
He's bitching about me using the word actually. This is even on a surface level straight up scummy because this is not how you toneread. You can't just assume that all people talk the same. (I've tried to lynch LS for bad grammar, it's a terrible idea). But just to prove this to be a bullshit read without a doubt, here are some highlights from the last game I played:
On December 14 2017 00:22 Palmar wrote:
This is actually kinda slam dunk here.
On December 14 2017 01:19 Palmar wrote:
I actually kinda like killing Oats, his filter is way worse than I thought. I gave him a tentative town read for calling koshi trash, but there's nothing that stops mafia from saying things that are true.
His filter is basically empty.
Note that if you search my name and actually, it turns out I use that word incredibly often, but I chose these two posts as an example because it's very similar situations, I'm using "actually" to describe my realization that something is worth noticing, or as an emphasis that I'm having a realization.
So not only is it a baseless and stupid accusation, it's very easily verifiable that it means nothing, something noobking clearly had no interest in doing. Even if I see people post smilies, I just go search through the last games and stuff to find out if that's just how they talk, or if it's relevant.
The problem is that noobking is trying to stir shit with something that isn't shit. And he does it repeatedly.
This is actually a great case 
Oh and this part:
That said, I have no interest in eliminating Palmar from the game at this time, because several of his other posts (particularly ones during this Night Phase) reveal to me that he has a better-than-average understanding of the game mechanics and strategy. He understands the limitations on Day 1 scumhunting, he understands the reduced value of certain roleclaims, he understands the difference between a townlean/townread and "more likely to be town than scum." If he's town, he should eventually prove a strong asset in unraveling the game.
I agree with this part. Although "better-than-average" is perhaps an unnecessarily weak description of my prowess. I'd have preferred something like "world-class".
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still super confused that slam got so pissed over the rs scum read on him that he stormed off without even voting. like was he ever even in danger of being lynched? don't think so.
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On March 22 2018 21:42 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 21:39 Palmar wrote:
my bad.
I actually think we should kill noobking. Why him over moosy, Ex0_, FF, Coagulation, tictock?
moosy/coag are just vigi shots. Lynching afk players or players who don't play is for day 1 and then vigi shots. I have nothing that points towards them being mafia or town.
And knowing both of them, I have zero faith that they'll ever do anything useful this game.
FF is meh, could be mafia, but i don't have a clear case like I just described on noobking.
Exo I'm less sure on. he could be town lynchbait, or maybe he's a flailing scum. idk I haven't read him in detail.
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