On March 21 2018 09:03 Holyflare wrote: Also post game when I have some time at a computer I am going to be a sad person and systematically dismantle noobking's "logic" posts if he is town because they are so deeply flawed.
I still think he's just mafia though. The last big post to me is re-stating exo nothingness, big post here is talking about mechanics. Don't know who he scum reads (apparently slam now (that "I saw it and then rsoultin did" post looks really unlikely)) because he never states it.
Whole lot of semantics really
HF troll smashboards with me? They have some good players though. They’ll see us pretty quick
On March 21 2018 09:03 Holyflare wrote: Also post game when I have some time at a computer I am going to be a sad person and systematically dismantle noobking's "logic" posts if he is town because they are so deeply flawed.
On March 21 2018 10:19 darthfoley wrote: I do want to shout n00bking out for him revealing the dirty nature of TLMafia meta. With him leading us to victory by taking no stances on anything, he will surely increase his winrate and therefore the win rate of us all
On March 21 2018 10:24 Mocsta wrote: DF, I preferred you in character.
Responding to that chatter is only satisfying NK agenda to avoid having to scum-hunt. NK says "disfo/ykl are good targets to pressure" but at no points applies, said pressure.
My question for you is why arent you voting NK.
Chester Campbell is still around, but he's only necessary for some people in the thread
On March 21 2018 11:00 Mocsta wrote: #669 Hi Moosy
I like that post, and while plan is "different". Its certainly not what I would consider scummy.
I think you can refine the concept better by applying a stricter filter when determining "mafia trying to get you." Of the 6 in your pool; the only TWO who said you were scummy is ExO_ and HF. Annoying or frustrated does not equate to scum.
As townies, we only have our vote, so I will respect this plans of yours. However, I would appreciate if you could respect me back and share your (updated) opinion of n00bking.
Sure. I'll even throw in an explanation for Alakaslam.
Noobking/Slam didn't respond to my bait at the start. The reason why they're there is from tone reads.
Slam's tone reads forced to me and completely different from the last game I played with him. A lot of people already picked up on this.
Noobking goes from setup to picking at what other people are saying which is exactly what he did when I was scum with him last game. The only way I see him being town is because he hasn't really used excessive OMGUS arguments so far. So I would be fine with sheeping a wagon on him.
False.
Since I know what actually happened,
##Vote: rsoultin
I have realized she knows better.
She has shadowed me in games and has played with me in many more.
On March 21 2018 11:00 Mocsta wrote: #669 Hi Moosy
I like that post, and while plan is "different". Its certainly not what I would consider scummy.
I think you can refine the concept better by applying a stricter filter when determining "mafia trying to get you." Of the 6 in your pool; the only TWO who said you were scummy is ExO_ and HF. Annoying or frustrated does not equate to scum.
As townies, we only have our vote, so I will respect this plans of yours. However, I would appreciate if you could respect me back and share your (updated) opinion of n00bking.
Sure. I'll even throw in an explanation for Alakaslam.
Noobking/Slam didn't respond to my bait at the start. The reason why they're there is from tone reads.
Slam's tone reads forced to me and completely different from the last game I played with him. A lot of people already picked up on this.
Noobking goes from setup to picking at what other people are saying which is exactly what he did when I was scum with him last game. The only way I see him being town is because he hasn't really used excessive OMGUS arguments so far. So I would be fine with sheeping a wagon on him.
False.
Since I know what actually happened,
##Vote: rsoultin
I have realized she knows better.
She has shadowed me in games and has played with me in many more.
On March 21 2018 12:42 ExO_ wrote: So far, getting really scummy feelings from rsoultin:
- Doesn't commit to a scum read except on slam (and even says doesn't expect other people to get it). - Is okay with voting noob not because she thinks he's scum, but because his post makes her yawn? wtf reasoning is that.
On March 21 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote: Eh, I could vote noob. Not because I think he's the scummiest scummer to ever scum or even think this aligns that much with last game, but because his posting kind of makes me yawn.
This does make me feel a little better about HF because I see where he's coming from, though. It's a far cry from the rants of last game, but the focus of his posts generally feels wrong.
Also idk his first post asking how many mafia there are really rubs me the wrong way. What strategic desicions could knowing that help inform on D1/D2? (as he amends after being questioned). It's almost like a really forced attempt at a dumbtell or something. Not the strongest evidence, I know, but coupled with the rest, I'm fine with a NK lynch.
Everything else rsoultin said came down to "tone". I don't know, I don't buy it. This rsoultin is very wishy washy and not the town-driving rsoultin I'd expect.
While I'm at it just general other reads from what little I've seen throughout the day via phone
HF - Town Mocsta - Town
NK - Scummy
Because she knew that was her strongest influence; she is mid level influential but has extra regarding me because she is brave enough to even try reading me- and finds the appropriate enjoyment in it.
So as scum, she knows no one will really fact check her claim and she has a rather good probability of lemming raining me to lynch.
If it happens I’ll be very vocal about it somewhere. And this town will deserve to lose.
On March 21 2018 00:32 Conversion wrote: I read some filters.
I'll consolidate onto disform, only for the reason I have a nagging memory of someone explaining his scum play and feeling like it fits it. I'd have to meta dive for that, but that's annoying.
I don't think ykl is scum for whatever reason alakabanana slamma jamma man said. and I don't think anyone else being voted is scum. besides disform.
Had a few people call out this idea and have to agree with them. We really don't need to consolidate onto dis right now if you have a good read
vivax and hf called it out, yeh im not a big fan, not sure what this accomplishes.
Then again conversion has come back and qualified the statement. So just have to see what he comes back with.
I like rsoultin calling out slam a lot and pushing that vote. pretty good list post. nothing to write home about but still a solid list
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Dis list post and follow up - I have specific questions which I will ask in a seperate post
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apparently I made df cry, I I will attempt to be nicer. I disagree with what you said on rayn and rsoul. I can't blame you for being confused about my dis vote because I was tilted and shit posting. You do seem to just be parroting sentiment on noobking, have you had original thought? Still have you as scummy but i'm not building a case right now.
FF has rsoultin posting a lot? It's way down on what you would expect and vivax called out rsoultin for not posting enough. I'm not liking ff tbh
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I'd probably have a lynch pool of
dis,exo,noob,slam,ff, df and moosy
does sicklucker not post d1 anymore?
obviously i need to narrow the list down but i'm good with that pool right now. I can't remember why i asked ticktock a question so hold on
On March 20 2018 19:36 Palmar wrote: df's roleplaying is some of the worst I've ever seen.
yeh it's not good. I don't know what it means alignment wise. I feel that if you're town you just have fun as town whereas if you rolled mafia the second time in 3 games and you wanted to make things fun fun yourself/hide you would make a persona. I can't say it makes him town or mafia but if I had to pick I would say it is more scum sided.
In terms of actual bad stuff. He liked a post that exo had made which wasn't that good.
On March 20 2018 08:27 darthfoley wrote:
On March 20 2018 08:09 ExO_ wrote: Moosy I’m going to try my best to assess you fairly, but damn you’re like a hyperactive kid in a Candy store.
But you come into the thread saying you need someone to explain the setup because you can’t be arsed to read it....after you /out earlier because of number of players.
Scum leaning on you for this reason.
Looks like this chap 'ere as a 'ead on his shoulders
I can understand exo's defence of this post but I don't like the post in general.
he also leaves exo off his list of town afterwards
On March 20 2018 12:45 darthfoley wrote: Chester Campbell believes he dun found some good folk to confide in as he rids the streets of petty 'n big boss crime.
The likes of Vivax, Alakaslam Mocsta and Conversion seem like good blokes, eager to help the coppers
Chester is keeping a wary eye out for any bad hombres
gives the impression that he doesn't really care who his town circle is and just wants to throw some names out. I'd lynch him and not just to stop the terrible RP.
So Kelscier makes some post about me and how he doesn't want to build a case on me when he's been using any reason to scum read me. Chester actually agrees with n00bking that KSC scumreading Chester Campbell is just silly and excuse for a scum read.
Also him claiming that I have no original reads is factually inaccurate and just another excuse to throw shade at Chester Campbell. I'm one of the few people who isn't okay with rsoultin (btw did I just realize your name is "our sultan?") and Rayn.
Btw we should ban Rels for a couple games until he decides to play d1 again. Tired of this shit every game
On March 21 2018 08:38 n00bKing wrote: Step 1) I notice that Alakaslam doesn't feel quite the same to me as in the previous game. It seems like his posts are an attempt to artificially recreate his play from the previous game, instead of an authentic repeat of his play from the previous game.
Step 2) rsoul then makes almost the exact same observation.
Step 3) I ask rsoul if she can elaborate on the difference between his play in the two games, so that I can tell if there's any sort of real substantiation that I can investigate, or if she's stuck in the same boat I am (with nothing better to explain the difference than "feelz.") Unfortunately it sounded like she's stuck in the same boat I am.
On March 21 2018 04:03 rsoultin wrote: Problem is, I don't really expect people to get my Slam read. I just think that it's probably right.
Okay...soo....if people aren't going to get your slam read, then what keeps your vote on him from being wasted?
Let's say we did get additional votes on Alakaslam. Is his reaction to the added pressure likely to help you further a read on him? Or give you anything you CAN use to convince others? Or would he just post more youtube videos, regardless of alignment, and everyone shrugs and says they can't get a read on him because he's not doing anything?
Hers is the opinion on that question that I am the most interested in, partly because she's the player voting against him, but also because I think it's fair to say that she has posed herself as something of an "Alakaslam whisperer" over the past two games.
Nevertheless, I would gladly hear opinions on that from anyone. Can you expect alignment-indicative reactions when he is pressured, or do you simply have to make a decision of "lynch him or not" because all you're ever going to get is more youtube videos?
#2 - Moosy
His game-opening tactic is one I've seen him use as Town before (so I let him go ahead and do it) but as I've said, I think it hasn't yielded much of anything he can use, this time.
You can put me on the "save Moosy for later" train. Partly because he's committed at least six rules violations so far, and if he keeps doing it, he'll just get himself mod-killed. And also because I seriously doubt his ability to keep me in uncertainty about his alignment for the long-term. I disagree that he's a good N1 vig target, because he will usually respond to posts, regardless of alignment. You may sometimes get trolling, obstinance, or uncooperativeness, but you'll get answers to your questions. He'll (eventually) take positions, make and move votes, explain his motivations, etc. And when you start seeing flips, you can gain a lot of context on which team he's playing for. Can't say any of that about someone like Fecalfeast or Alakaslam (so far).
#3 - Exo vs Kelsier
I think this was a big fat nothing. While it was going on, I just kept waiting for Kelsier to realize it was mostly just a misunderstanding, and move on to something else. This doesn't guarantee it was "T vs T" but I think that's likely. Nothing in the posts from either player has really made me uneasy. Hopefully whenever raynpelikoneet returns, we'll get some thoughts on things that have happened SINCE that exchange, as it was the focus of a lot of his filter.
#4 - Darthfoley
Obviously glad to be seeing less Chester Campbell, as the game goes on. Continue to think invoking the character is on the townier side of null. The HARDCORE waffling on Exo looks like a reasonable thought progression to me, and I like that it ends up in the place I feel like it ought to. So, no interest in making DF a lynch target at this time.
Aughthp.
Yeah you hit the nail on the point XD
Turn it around.
SHOULD PEOPLE KEEP SHRUGGING WHEN I GET SERIOUS OR LET ME REMAIN
On March 21 2018 13:12 Mocsta wrote: #711 n00bking Its awesome you approached all topics; however, I find this to be a superficial summary. Maybe thats poor interpretation by me, but i started reading with excitement, and ended reading with disappointment.
It's Day 1. Go find me the post where someone said something super exciting and compelling. That's not how this works.
On March 21 2018 16:42 n00bKing wrote: Mentioned that I wasn't sure how to "unlock" Alakaslam and make him productive. Not sure if I "unlocked" him or "broke" him...but...something's happening, at least.
Regardless of what happens for the rest of the game, signing up was worth it just to see this post:
On March 21 2018 14:09 Alakaslam wrote: What’s also sucks is I am a terrible communicator. Like I can see that the white truck doesn’t have a brake booster problem, but a master cylinder problem but I’m so inarticulate (and not a mechanic) that I actually convinced our mechanic he was right
So now the truck has a new brake booster and a newer master cylinder :3
On March 21 2018 11:00 Mocsta wrote: #669 Hi Moosy
I like that post, and while plan is "different". Its certainly not what I would consider scummy.
I think you can refine the concept better by applying a stricter filter when determining "mafia trying to get you." Of the 6 in your pool; the only TWO who said you were scummy is ExO_ and HF. Annoying or frustrated does not equate to scum.
As townies, we only have our vote, so I will respect this plans of yours. However, I would appreciate if you could respect me back and share your (updated) opinion of n00bking.
Sure. I'll even throw in an explanation for Alakaslam.
Noobking/Slam didn't respond to my bait at the start. The reason why they're there is from tone reads.
Slam's tone reads forced to me and completely different from the last game I played with him. A lot of people already picked up on this.
Noobking goes from setup to picking at what other people are saying which is exactly what he did when I was scum with him last game. The only way I see him being town is because he hasn't really used excessive OMGUS arguments so far. So I would be fine with sheeping a wagon on him.
False.
Since I know what actually happened,
##Vote: rsoultin
I have realized she knows better.
She has shadowed me in games and has played with me in many more.
Eh. Perfectly happy to help you keep an eye on her, but high-activity players are poor D1 lynches. I expect her to post, I expect her to respond to people who make an effort to engage her, and I expect to be able to read her with a lot more confidence as time goes on. As much as I disagreed with her initial set of musings, I can't support a D1 lynch of rsoul.
On March 21 2018 17:09 ykl wrote: Actually, for all of how much I dislike the tone he takes in a lot of them, I don't really think n00bking is acting very scummy? I'm not sure if I missed anything from the context of the posts.
When I say boring I mean focusing and talking about things that aren't interesting/irrelevant.
Which is not something I'd like to attribute to town players. However, there is the possibility that he genuinely believes we can't lynch scum except by happy accident on d1 (or if scum just really fucks up)
Ya know I did explain this. He’s from smashboards.
NOBODY there likes D1 or believes it is anything but random. When I chupazically tried to find scum for real day 1 I was meta lynched from that site.
On March 21 2018 17:30 rsoultin wrote: Okay, let me list my points:
- slam entered the thread seeming to have less fun than my experience is when he's town
- he chided people for fast judgments, then made one himself
- picks up the 'slam whisperer' rhetoric when I have not claimed any such thing (if anything, I'm predisposed to townread him, even when he's scum) to push a narrative that scum rsoul wants to use her whisperer clout to get him mislynched d1
- this third point directly contradicts a long-standig view of the game in which slam believes scum tries to keep him as late as possible to mislynch him and win the game off that
No, I don't claim to have a god read on him. I do claim that none of this feels like town slam tone or how slam would think. And I almost never want to lynch him, which makes me more convinced that I'm probably right here.
My third point is more that you’re using that logic as a cop-out from this phase so that you have material to hide in.
The rest is to prevent further scum pressure, that is my main concern as I am not being pushed by town afaik but I am starting to be considered by them due directly to your push.
On March 21 2018 16:35 Mocsta wrote: I dont think jt means you are town
Its more a comment on vivax logic in my opiniin
Yes. Has nothing to do with how Vivax is playing (or what allegiance he might be) in this particular game. Just "if I'm thinking like Vivax would think, then I'm probably wrong."
You are doing a good job at making me want to lynch you.
Huh? It wasn't even me saying it. I'm just agreeing with Mocsta about what Kelsier meant. I'm facilitating understanding between players, so votes will only be cast for good reasons. (Hint: There aren't good reasons for voting against Kelsier)
No you literally took Kelsiers words and turned them into other words that mean something else entirely all for the sake of finding a perspective where he said that as town.
Seriously do not know what other interpretation of his words could be considered, other than the one I posted. I'll be way way surprised, if he tells us that wasn't what he meant.
On March 21 2018 16:50 Vivax wrote: I am 99 % sure you are town cause no mafia would be so idiotically suicidal to do that but I might spite lynch you for that regardless, cause all you're doing is hampering me when I just found mafia.
lol, oh god, not another one. You "just found mafia" did you? Stone lock, can't miss red flip right there, huh? Just like HF is gonna take the "free scum?" Just like Mocsta and his assertion that even if Moosy is scum and we pass him over anyway, there's still enough D1 content to lynch successfully anyway??! If you're town, whichever scum read you are MOST confident in, is PROBABLY incorrect. Since I'm town, whichever scum read I am MOST confident in, is PROBABLY incorrect.
Look. In a place like smashboards where everyone thinks this way, this is a winning mindset because the group think and the railroading for most games makes people far more railroaded subconsciously as scum; making them easier to catch.
We don’t do that here. We have much better scum players. People who learn to get away with pretty strange gambits (we have had players claim scum and lay out bragging parts of plan, where the team followed that plan, and still won)
Yes you can claim that was poor town play but, what creates poor town play there?
That town did not think outside their box. They played Ideally. They were Mew2King fighting Mango for the first upset.
On March 21 2018 17:42 rsoultin wrote: -flicks noob- if you're trying to 'understand' me, the answer to your question about slam is already in the post you just quoted from
And obviously i prefer a slam lynch. But if that doesn't materialize, I want to refine my other reads.
And I really don't see how your list vs my gut with only a little logic mixed in yields the same reads to such an extent that my having different reads than you d1 is enough to not want to vote slam whom you agree with me on!
Plus you simultaneously say
You don't care who gets lynched, must be scum!
And
Anyone who is certain of who they're lynching is bad because they're probably wrong
Makes any earthly sense. It's like...stop being bad. But don't stop too much because townies are bad, and not being bad makes people scum.
How does that even make sense?
When your scumread makes an excellent point
:/
Reevaluate the read- especially when it’s an OMGUS.
EPT
