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On March 22 2018 20:13 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 09:41 Tictock wrote:
Skimmed through EoD and it looks like most people went pretty pants on head.
I don’t even understand why Rels got lynched? All I saw was Rsoul shouting “lynch Rels” without mentioning whatever scummy thing he did that made her switch from her earlier “Rels is a bad D1 lynch” stance.
I also noticed Noobking wasting his vote on a totally null slot that got replaced and take no stances on the other wagons.
Thank goodness you didn't have a wasted singleton vote on me, at EoD. Oh, right. Rels got lynched because we allowed ourselves to be in a position where one of those wagons HAD to be, instead of taking the ABC play of consolidating on the AFK (and if we could rewind and lynch the AFK instead, I guess we probably should, huh?) Also, lol @ "taking no stance on other wagons." I broke a tie to protect darthfoley from being lynched, and Rels remained the lynch from the moment I did that, until EoD. Killing Rels isn't something to hang my hat on, but it pretty well protects me from your criticism of "taking no stances" on the wagons.
I guess I missed you moving your vote to Rels, I just recalled your post about “moving” your vote to Coag.
Care to remind me why you townread DF?
As for my own vote, I voted for a scumread and wasn’t around for Deadline.
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On March 22 2018 20:31 Holyflare wrote:
So why exactly are people town reading mocsta enough that he wasn't the lynch yesterday? Nobody other than himself even commented on my posts (maybe rayn a bit by proxy).
I don’t see a scum!Mocsta claim Vig like he did with the assumption that mafia has no RB.
Still seems like a solid dumbtell to me.
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On March 22 2018 21:54 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 21:15 n00bKing wrote:
Or should they not kill anyone, hold their shot, and hope to get off a shot later in the game? I think there's two approaches here I would consider: Shoot Disinfo. Operate on the assumption that Scum won't target him for KP going into Night 1. If he's telling the truth I'll know then. Especially with the way the voting went (chaos after he blue claimed) maybe could use his thoughts and my own thoughts to formulate an educated opinion on who is scum. And if he was lying, easy scum dead. Alternatively I might shoot Vivax. Might just be OMGUS but I don't think Vivax has scum hunted this game. I think his post have largely distracted town and can't make sense coming from a towny point of view. He's scum reading both myself and Keslier -- this doesn't make sense in my opinion. Particularly with the discussion I had with Keslier earlier in the day. And I don't think he's ever given a good explanation. + Show Spoiler +On March 22 2018 03:32 Calix wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count
disformation [5]: Koshi, n00bking, KelsierSC, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare n00bking [4]: Conversion, Holyflare, Mocsta, MoosyDoosy, Tictock, Fecalfeast, disformationKelsierSC [2]: ExO_, darthfoley rsoultin [1]: Alakaslam, Rels ExO_ [1]: Vivax, Tictock, MoosyDoosyAlakaslam [1]: rsoultin Rels [1]: Mocsta ykl [0]: AlakaslamMocsta [0]: MoosyDoosyTictock [0]: Mocsta, MoosyDoosyPalmar [0]: KoshiNot Voting [5]: ykl, Palmar, sicklucker, disformation, Alakaslam
disformation is currently the lynch.
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 21 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM. On March 22 2018 03:48 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote KelsierSC At the time, Keslier is the 3rd wagon but 2 votes behind. He hops on the wagon with me, his primary scum read all game. I'm just not sure I believe if he really thinks I'm scum he's going to hop on a wagon with me to try to get traction for a new target (or just throw his vote away on 3rd party). So Vivax or Disinfo. I feel like if I was a better player I would go with Disinfo because potentially more information could be learned by confirming he's blue. However I personally would be more likely to go with Vivxa: I think he's likely to be scum.
Really don’t like this post, not just kus he is suggesting a possible situation where a townVig shoots a townVet but the Vivax read feels pretty off.
Like Vivax’s KSC v Exo being MvM read is almost too weird to be coming from scum, and I feel like he is ignoring a ton of the content Vivax has provided this game.
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Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 07:27 Mocsta wrote:
i have to vote conversion at this point just to save myself ffs.
i dont think i filter-dived him before, so taking a leap of faith.
wtf is going on. This is not a good post. Instead of trying to divert a lynch towards one of his many scum reads, he just wants to coinflip on me. His vote pattern is now n00bking -> rels -> me
Quoted this from Conv’s post at the top of pg86. Really odd to me that he calls himself a coinflip.
@Conv
Mocsta said his vote was to save himself, people voting for self-preservation is pretty NAI as it is good play for both alignments.
None of the rest of that post was interesting, I’ve never understood why some ppl put a big deal on not townreading people who share a read with you. Scum hop on town’s reads all the time and while sharing a read should be taken into consideration it is never a solid basis for a read.
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On March 23 2018 00:57 Holyflare wrote:
Read my case yo. You missed out the parts where mocsta says noobking looks better but then says he's scummy a few posts later but then repeats he looks better again when everyone unvoted him.
Have not read your case, but since when is changing ones mind a scummy thing to do?
Pretty sure that is much more likely to come from town.
I’m realizing that I am probably defending Mocsta more than I should, but I am starting to suspect HF is scum. The last time I saw him have a narrow and unwavering focus like this he was scum.
Noting this to remind myself to look into it later.
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Ok I read this, my point before about this change in stance seems pretty towny to me. Like the only reason why I could see a scum!Mocsta fluctuating a read like this is if he is scum with NK and wanted to distance but not commit too strongly. I do not think that is the case here.
Besides I don’t see that big a change in Mocsta’s read anyways. Looks to me like he started having doubts about his scumread on NK but didn’t get over it completely.
Really don’t see how this makes him scum.
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On March 23 2018 05:31 disformation wrote:
that's actually another point. like tons of ppl scumread nk. why wasn't he the lynch?
I mean I think palmar, hf and rayn have a scumread on him? usually that would mean a lynch mob
From the little I read HF started pushing for Mocsta and Palmar seemed pretty uninvolved.
I’m gunna feel great if NK does turn out to be scum this game.
Actually while I’m thinking about it this is part of what has me sus about HF atm. There was quite a few good reaosons to lynch NK and plenty of people in favor, but he decided to all in on this weak Mocsta read instead. End result was more choas in an already bad EoD.
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Just checking flips before I finish reading (note I still have not read pgs 40-70 or w/e)
Guess I can let that HF stuff go.
Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?
Assuming for a moment that that was all mafia KP then I think 5 mafia is a safe bet (6 just seems like too much for 20 players).
Noting for myself to look into who Vivax was scum reading.
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On March 23 2018 05:49 rsoultin wrote:It's okay. We can just make bull shit reads on each other then \o/ I'm not going to pretend that I even want to bother to try to figure out your alignment right now only to wafflebot all over the place on it the rest of the game lol >< Suffice it to say I can't confidently townread you.
Nothing special about this post, but I’m starting to think Rsoul is Town here.
A bunch of her posts during Night legitimately seem like she is sorting the game out in her head and I like something about her tone in posts like this one.
I also very much so understand this inability to be confident townread HF.
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On March 23 2018 06:32 Koshi wrote:Man I was going to post this on deadline but w.e. I think the risk is too high cool people will die. RIP 3 townies. I am paying attention. Suprise! Best reads in spoiler. Town MVP Throphy = thx. Mafia will probably win if slightly mafia balanced. Too much KP. Too many limited town players. + Show Spoiler +Top town
18. Coagulation (town seal)
9. KelsierSC (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs)
6. rsoultin (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs)
7. Vivax (tip top town, because he lives in Vivax world)
Townish
3. ExO_ (Some1 mindmelded with him. The mindmeldee is mostly town. Other than that he doesn't look good)
17. Tictock (I said this after a post he made)
4. Mocsta (seems lost. Being lost here is good)
20. MoosyDoosy (I think he is town just based on thread sentiment against him)
I have hope for these players
15. Palmar (high hopes)
1. Holyflare (less high hopes)
Can flip either way
8. raynpelikoneet (not enough cares during lynch, nothing smart during night, pushes the idea df is town on something he didn't read properly. But he seems a bit lost which is townie)
14. disformation (still looks mafia to me)
10. ykl (Meh, needs more sass, way too safe)
11. n00bking (He might be good at playing mafia, I think he is town)
5. Alakaslam (potential false prophet)
mafia
2. Conversion (I call him mafia, he says I am always wrong on his alignment.)
12. darthfoley (I call him mafia, he says I am wrong.)
16. Fecalfeast (0 impact)
Odd Koshi knew there was gunna be 3 townies dead. Also feel weird he townreads me when I feel like I should probably be null at best for most people.
Eh I guess it would be a pretty weird scum slip to announce how much KP they have, on the other hand this is Koshi...
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On March 23 2018 07:03 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 07:00 Tictock wrote:On March 22 2018 07:27 Mocsta wrote:
i have to vote conversion at this point just to save myself ffs.
i dont think i filter-dived him before, so taking a leap of faith.
wtf is going on. This is not a good post. Instead of trying to divert a lynch towards one of his many scum reads, he just wants to coinflip on me. His vote pattern is now n00bking -> rels -> me Quoted this from Conv’s post at the top of pg86. Really odd to me that he calls himself a coinflip. @Conv Mocsta said his vote was to save himself, people voting for self-preservation is pretty NAI as it is good play for both alignments. None of the rest of that post was interesting, I’ve never understood why some ppl put a big deal on not townreading people who share a read with you. Scum hop on town’s reads all the time and while sharing a read should be taken into consideration it is never a solid basis for a read. the point was not townreading HF. the point was why was Palmar above HF, why did he just call HF unimpressive without ever addressing the shared scumread, and why did he suddenly jump off NK when FF voted?
Ok I can understand the bolded points. Neither make much sense.
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On March 23 2018 07:50 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 07:49 Tictock wrote:On March 23 2018 05:31 disformation wrote:
that's actually another point. like tons of ppl scumread nk. why wasn't he the lynch?
I mean I think palmar, hf and rayn have a scumread on him? usually that would mean a lynch mob
From the little I read HF started pushing for Mocsta and Palmar seemed pretty uninvolved. I’m gunna feel great if NK does turn out to be scum this game. Actually while I’m thinking about it this is part of what has me sus about HF atm. There was quite a few good reaosons to lynch NK and plenty of people in favor, but he decided to all in on this weak Mocsta read instead. End result was more choas in an already bad EoD. i thought it was organic because I was an associative "blue" link after the disfo vet collapse. on a re-read, i believe thats how i got momentum (and yes, HF was calling for me prior.. but it didnt snowball till that point).
Ah, I still need to read what lead up to Dis claiming and shit, kinda keep forgetting about that.
This game is proving much harder to keep up with than I had hoped.
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On March 23 2018 07:59 Mocsta wrote:im lost this game, truly lost & also done some really stupid things. I only read OP pre-game, so when I received my 1-shot VIG post, I really did think mafia could only be strongman/backup. OUCH. ANYWAYS, i expect to be shot & RB tonight, so backup scores a free KP. this is my bad, and I cant take the actions back. I tried my best to make it look fake since, hence, no claiming EoD1.
My reference to slam was because, he had this post where he claimed hmmm, 1-shot vig. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?page=37#736I thought this meant he had a 1-shot role (thus would be town).. reading the OP later, scum can also be 1-shot. Unfortunately, this doesnt help then. Its very odd that rsoultin doesnt follow this up with me and demand I say the tell. If I wasnt going to vig by the rules, I would prob shoot rsoultin this cycle as a dark horse with low risk for demoralising town.
Who are my trusted town reads:Who am I putting faith in for PoE- rayn
- kelsier (i misinterpretted why he vote for me. i can accept it)
- palmar (too charistmatic)
- koshi
- conversion
- ykl
- darthfoley
Who i dont have problems with, but paying attention to their posts:- HF (I cant tell if hes canvassing my D2 lynch, or seeking info.. one way moves up to town, the other moves down to scum)
- tictock (I appreciate the defend n1 with what for me was the unbiased truth. I can't tell if good intention, or setting up to shit on a town!HF. Consider this if tictock / HF / Mocsta are all alive D2)
- rsoultin
- n00bking
No fucking idea:- ExO
- slam
- FF
- Coagulation
- Moosy
My guess for scum combination is that the 95% of actives are town and this is all in-fighting for OMGUS and EGO. Something like ExO_ / FF and one of the actives (perhaps one of rsoultin or HF) makes some sense to me. Like, I dont have a problem rsoultin is lost. I am lost.. however, the way she is manouvering to call me scum is interesting. I find it overly cautious - e.g. claiming pocketing etc. I find this an evolved version of being apologetic - hence scummy.
Anyways, if my vig shot does go through, I have decided to shoot ExO_.This is because I want to clear some thoughts up for Vivax, and I also think ExO is over apologetically scummy & in the trash tier. WIN-WIN for vig shot (if it goes through.. otherwise, sorry. hard game this one)
Ah, this explains Exo dying.
So then 2 mafia KP? Wonder if this means only 4 mafia or if there was a save?
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On March 23 2018 08:19 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 08:17 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta is super confirmed town guys... come on. Combine our lists and mafia is there. We are on the right path. Just follow it. How is he confirmed town? I'll admit an ExO shot is weird for scum tho unless they were bluereading him
His post makes sense from my PoV.
I was expecting 3 mafia KP kus 5 mafia makes sense and that's suggested in OP. He shoots Exo and see's 2 mafia KP, so seems like their was either a save or there is 4 mafia.
Doesn't make sense to me why a scum!Mocsta who fake claimed a Vig shot on Exo would make that post about a save. It would just be giving town extra info right?
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OMG, I'm actually caught up (still not the stuff from D1 though, don't get yer hopes up).
Firstly, can someone who wants to lynch me do me and the rest of the game of giving some reasons?
As far as I can tell right now it's kus HF made that EoN post about me right before he flipped town. For anyone who cares to check HF's scumread on me was like 90% OMGUS kus I was starting to think he could be scum.
But w/e I have thoroughly decided that I am prioritizing RL over this game, and you all are free to lynch me if you want. Prepare to be dissapointed though.
I still think NK has a solid chance of being mafia (I'm noting that he is jumping on thread sentiment on me today and not pushing his own reads still). Palmar also feels like he is playing below his normal hyper-pushy town but keeping himself looking productive enough from being on most people's radar. Slam and the y-dude (keep forgetting what 3 letters are in his name) seem to have mostly stopped posting, though I understand Slam had a fit I should probably read at some point. Ryan is also on my mind as I still feel it was spooky how confident he was Moosy was town early on, and terrible NK wifom.
Those are the people I'm considering scum off the top of my head. Oh and Coag nees to be forced to play kus otherwise what the hell was the point in him replacing? If you offer to replace and still do shit all, you might as well do us the favor of getting yourself modkilled.
I think DF is pretty likely Town now that he fully dropped the RP, I like Conversion's fire. Don't lynch them. I'm definitely warming up more and more to the idea of Rsoul being town as well.
I want to see more from Dis.
@Disformation, can you give me a paragraph or two of where your head is at in this game? When you are awake enough to at least put minimal thought into it.
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Conversion
Mocsta
rsoultin
darthfoley
Koshi
MoosyDoosy
^ People who I will never consider lynching today
Conversion is almost a stretch, but I recall him having a fairly weak scum game and so far all I see from him is spit and fire when reacting to being called scum. I feel like he would try to be more appeasing to people, but his attitude is pretty much just "fuck you" Maybe I'm selling his scum game short, but I'm going with my gut here.
I will probably waffle about Koshi later on, but I'm getting mostly town vibes from him and I suspect given time he will prove himself town. If by D4 he still hasn't then he prob should be lynched.
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@ Rayn
Can you explain to me why you ended up voting Rels?
I noticed you never joined the Conversion wagon, which as far as I could tell from your filter was kus of this.
On March 22 2018 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Conversion is going to flip town because there is absolutely no way both darthfoley and disformation are town.
Yet you joined the Rels wagon very late
Rels [7]: Mocsta, rsoultin, Mocsta, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, Conversion, darthfoley, n00bking, raynpelikoneet, ExO_
Colors should be representing Rayn's reads D1, unless I missed anything. I actually could not find a read on Exo.
So I'm wondering why you felt uncomfortable lynching Conversion (who was a null read for you) because you felt two people on that wagon were mafia, but you joined the Rels wagon with 2 people you scumread.
I could not find anything explaining why "rel's looks terrible" which is all I saw in your filter about him.
This strikes me as odd as I know you two are quite familiar with each other and generally have some respect for each other's town game. I'm very surprised to see you vote with your scum reads on someone who is potentially a strong town player, without having very good reasons.
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On March 23 2018 12:07 Conversion wrote:
oh you mean you want to see what he can do. nvm. I’m going to bed I’ll be better tomorrow and for the weekend
I want to see where his head is at, yea.
I still need to read through and see why he claimed.
Tbh it is rather odd Mafia did not shoot into either of Mocsta or Dis. Idk why but I feel like Mafia are quite likely to have a strongarm this game, and Dis prob should have died. Though it's not impossible they left him alive for WIFOM.
Mocsta is a bit less of a mystery kus his claim did not come off as totally legit and partially a joke. Though I think both his mistake about mafia not having an RB and reaction to figuring out that mistake made it fairly obv he was actually a vig.
Like from what I can tell Mafia avoided shooting into any of the claims? Serious or not. Can anyone confirm or deny that for me?
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All from me tonight, if there isn't another ~30 pages to read tomorrow I'll try and finish reading D1.
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On March 23 2018 18:23 ykl wrote:
So general game stuff:
Going by the flip on Holyflare and Vivax and assuming that both were targeted because their reads were on track, there's probably a pool of KelsierSC, Koshi, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, ticktock, fecalfeast there? I'd try and filter them out one by one later to take a look.
Pretty sure Noobking should be in that list as well.
I’ve apparently totally forgotten KSC is in this game.
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