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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 20 2018 07:56 GMT
#316
hmm... I think I kinda like vivi. At least ExO_ seems like he would like to strangle vivi and when ppl want to strangle vivi he is more likely town.

wish I hadn't such a shitty track record when it comes to reading ExO_ for that matter. I like vivi's posts on ExO_, but I vaguely recall ExO_ being more agreeable as scum?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 20 2018 08:00 GMT
#317
huh?
@Mocsta: why did you unvote ticktick? Oo
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 20 2018 08:14 GMT
#329
On March 20 2018 17:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2018 17:09 Holyflare wrote:
I also think moosy is scummy because the only person to "call him out" was exo and apparently he felt enough pressure/angst to vote himself off of that. Don't know whether I should listen to mafia moosy's post last game on whether he's reformed and base things off that or not though.

Was initially a town read for being happy but now not.

I 100% disagree, I think Moosy is town.

hm? y though?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 20 2018 16:47 GMT
#486
cool I've always wanted to win an election. :D

On March 21 2018 01:33 Vivax wrote:
I have disformation at null. He's sort of helping me with exo by paying attention to the issue but then again if I were mafia with an exo in the spotlight it'd be hard to pretend he doesn't exist.

The noobking post is pretty much summary for the most part but I like his conclusion.

I don't see where ExO wants to strangle me though. I believe we've been civilized so far. That might be something disfo made up. Let's see what he says.

Reading his filter doesn't leave me with a conclusive read, I'd prefer to wait and see what keeps coming.

On March 20 2018 11:21 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2018 11:05 Vivax wrote:
And you still didn't explain why what you said makes moosy mafia.

Cause it doesn't and you also have no clue how you got to say that.


Again, if he knows the setup, posting asking to explain it is scummy to me.

Do you have any reads on anybody else? Or anything else? or are you just gonna yolo tunnel me as your one contribution?

added bold for emphasis.

will be back with time to actually play in a bit.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 20 2018 17:56 GMT
#490
aight. a shame this is no m13. feel like in a m13 3 votes + ppl already being willing to consolidate on me there would be a really high chance for scum being in there.

hoshi:
has done this minimalistic / no fucks given D1 stuff as town before. even got him ml d1 in a game I was in for it.
thing that confuses me is that he seemed to have a really good read on me in a recent game.
so a bit paraboid, but would not want to lynch atm.

ksc:
no idea why that dude is so angry.
other than that his filter looks like he is actually trying to figure out the game.
though. It is somewhat puzzling to me that he understands koshi's read on me, cause I figured that to be more of a meta thing? hm. actually think he saw something else but similar in my post? *shrugs*
gonna call him town for actually trying to figure stuff out.

nk:
still has the least explained vote on me. and that is not an easy feat given how detailed the reads/votes of ksc and hoshi are. HF's posts on him also were not bad. decent scum chance I guess. though as conv pointed out, he also is giving no fucks. like wouldn't have scum pulled _some_ excuse to vote me out of their ass by now?

conv:
hm. actually fairly locked in on nk for most of his filter. somewhat annoyed at md. think some ppl posted he sounds a bit forced? not really getting that feeling tbh. would feel better if he had more reads than like nk as scum and me as implied scum lean? super lukewarm.

so. if there is scum on me it's prolly nk or maybe conv. full paranoia on koshi if he is alive like d4or something. if all four of them are town imma be somewhat sad.

dinner and then I want to look at exo and his vote on ksc again.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 20 2018 18:03 GMT
#495
On March 21 2018 03:02 darthfoley wrote:
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On March 20 2018 21:43 Holyflare wrote:
I absolutely side with exo on this one. Koshi's post is not a reason and voting with it is bad. Sarcastic quips to belittle exo when he's doing nothing particularly wrong is bad.


+100.

Is Kelscier being a dick alignment indicative? Or is it more of a general state of being?

dunno. from what I've gathered that is generally not typical of KSC.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 20 2018 19:05 GMT
#512
hm. I think I like df for town.

for the exo on ksc thing:
I can see where exo is coming from, esp after ksc agonizes him. I am not so sure I like the last part (in his vote post) which kinda reads like an unflipped association. don't like those.
+ Show Spoiler [vote post] +
On March 20 2018 21:50 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2018 21:44 KelsierSC wrote:
Koshi quotes then votes in the same post. Huge leap of logic to assume Koshi doesn't like the post that he quoted.

I don't like it either so I voted dis.

If you are fine with the post then don't vote and contribute something else.

I would try and explain in more detail but you have already said you don't read the thread and just try to bury people rather than read their explanations..



The problem I have here is that I don't think this came up organically. I brought up the fact that NK voted Disinfo with Koshi without providing a reason (and I still don't believe quoting one sentence from Disinfo is remotely a good enough reason to vote him without further explanation).

You then provided a potential reason why NK might have voted Disinfo -- I said he didn't provide this reasoning though, and you double down by voting Disinfo yourself.

It feels wrong to me. Maybe I'm wrong, but this makes me think you are scum with NK.

##Vote:KelsierSC


I mean from a town ksc pov: exo brings up nk's vote. KSC looks at it and thinks for some reason my post koshi was referring to is super scummy.
not entirely sure what the scum gameplan would be here. idk. maybe I'm just too tired
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 20 2018 19:14 GMT
#513
On March 21 2018 04:03 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 03:56 darthfoley wrote:
On March 21 2018 03:51 rsoultin wrote:
On March 21 2018 03:38 darthfoley wrote:
I feel like rayn hasn't stuck out in this game at all unfortunately.

I have disagreed with rsoultin on like 90% of everything up to this point so


Yup, if you're town one of us is pretty wrong lol >< Why exactly did you ask about KSC if you weren't going to give any credence to a response, though?


Who said I wouldn't give it any credence?


It doesn't appear that you did. I said it's basically AI that KSC is town if anything, and you decided to ignore that and just say you don't agree with me on anything.

So am I to think that this means you didn't want comments on KSC's behavior in regard to his alignment, or am I on auto-mute to you now?

Also, I really don't see how ExO's reason to scumread KSC is in any way good? It's believable to come from town cause almost all bad reasons can come from town, but it kind of clearly is lack of reading comprehension ^^;

Slam is definitely different. That you can't see it isn't really my problem, though if you haven't taken the time to look back over what I'm talking about that will probably annoy me. I can always console myself by telling myself that you could just be scum though lol ><

Problem is, I don't really expect people to get my Slam read. I just think that it's probably right.

Also, tbf, I like rayn's tone and where he's coming from, but I can't help but wonder if my read was hasty after so much silence. That said, I'm going to be stubborn for now and pretend that I have no doubts \o/ He gets busy for work so the silence itself is NAI. It's just that the read was based on early tonal things and I want something more meaty to bite into.

to be super honest. I suck hard at reading slam (and chez for that matter). so I am kinda hoping that sorts itself out. he also posted a nice vid for me. xD
nah. in more seriousness: you are talking about his difference to the medic game right? ill take a look at it if I gets the time.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 20 2018 19:17 GMT
#514
psa: jet lag has a stupid face and is a meanie.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 20 2018 19:27 GMT
#524
On March 21 2018 04:24 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 04:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
On March 21 2018 03:54 Fecalfeast wrote:
On March 21 2018 03:24 rsoultin wrote:
On March 21 2018 03:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
I've skimmed up while I'm supposed tk be working.

Towny
Palmar
Rso
Hf
Didform

Not towny
Kelsier
Noobking
Moose

Back to work ask me why if you must


Yeah, you're going to need to explain why lol ><

None of those three you have up there with me are anyone I could confidently call town. (Also not sure how people should be reading me when I'm playing differently.) Disinfo could be town for his Viva read but I don't really see anything else in his filter but waffles and fluff.

I could invent reasons you're scumreading your not town lynch, but I'd much prefer you explain them yourself.


Lunch breakis soon


Palmar - not trolling, i don't want to lymch him
Rso - trying to solve game and posting a lot
Hf - tone read idk
Disform - i like how he caught up like he wanted to get his tjoughts out rather than feign activity. Purely based on last few pages

Kelsier - he's being prickly
Noobking - literally spite because of last game and because hf said he is doing his nitpicky shit again
Moose - self voters fuck off


Lol >< okay. What about viva? ExO?

that reminds me: wasn't there some meta about palmar playing/not playing d1 or something?
On March 21 2018 04:19 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 00:32 Palmar wrote:
slam are you mafia?

No sir.

Damn though I look better replacing XD

no offense: but yeah
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 20 2018 19:29 GMT
#527
dunno bout slam. guess the tone IS different. I am just not 100% how alignment indicative it is with guys like him. feels coinflippy to me.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 21 2018 08:54 GMT
#819
hum.
gonna have to retract the + on nk for a least not posting in hard to read wots all the time.
also irritated he calls me a great lynch without explaining why (unless i missed that part in a wot). shouldn't town be more interested in pushing/actually lynchibg me? you kinds jave to explain a read for that or make a case or something.

welll. gimme sone time to properly read the wots.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 21 2018 08:55 GMT
#820
also want to look at rs/slam again.

omw to work see you later.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 21 2018 09:00 GMT
#822
On March 21 2018 17:57 rsoultin wrote:
-facedesks-

And this is yet another reason why I say 'ppl probably won't see what I see'. Managing expectations.

If I don't get anyone to talk to me about slam my head might explode ><

Tell me I am not the only one who knows about his chupazi game theory?

well i know that je is using the word chupazi a lot? is the theory the one you mentioned in the point about him thinking mafia wants to usually keep him for endgame or late game?
thinking of it i might want to check a game he was in with me. the host revenge one.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 21 2018 10:05 GMT
#870
On March 21 2018 17:47 Holyflare wrote:
Don't really wanna lynch noob over other names that I haven't created a narrative for yet.

I guess that implies he looks less like last game now, despite doing the wall post thing?

though I kinda find it funny that nk berates tina for wanting to lynch slam with reasons she thinks other ppl wont get, while he hasn't posted why he wants to lynch myself. With a bunch of imagination I can guess why he might, but i'm going to bitch about it until he posts a reason.
also that he says town players should try to get their preferred target lynched, not seeing him exactly doing that either.

i am also in a bad mood cause there is no coffee to be had at work. how the fuck are they expecting me to do anyhting?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 21 2018 10:05 GMT
#871
slam time
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 21 2018 12:34 GMT
#950
@rs: did look at the host revenge game. slam looked very different to here.
i also don't think he would care that much about ppl voting him that much normally.

but as a question: does it look different from only his town games or both his town and scum games? dont recall any scum slam games I was, link me a good one?

though if the theory works then slam should think you are town for voting him early. as scum tries to keep him alive for long. the thing is, he hasn't posted about that theory thing recently hasnt he? maybe he forgot?

so the question would be:
@slam:
chupazi theory or:
On March 21 2018 13:52 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 07:46 Mocsta wrote:
So... im in an odd predicament

(1) I have an important dinner tonight so wont be able to critically read anything
(2) Where I work has been thrown in an unplanned shutdown.. I really dont know if I can commit the time to apply critical thought.

I still think Day1 comes down to resolutions on the big topics:
Slam
Moosy
Ex0/KSC,
Koshi/Disfo/n00bking,
DF

Rest is probably side distractions.

My current (albeit loose) thoughts are:

Above null pile (Ex0_, rsoultin, vivax, rayn, Kelsier, ykl, disinfo, Palmar
Null pile (HF, Conversion, Slam, darthfoley, Rels, tictock, sicklucker, koshi, moosy)
Below null pile (n00bking)

Of the above null, I feel least strong about disinfo as its based on a heuristic that is gut feel only.
Conversion is in null pile as I havent focused on anything he has said.
Slam I would still need to meta-dive.
DF I actually like, but I give pause since so many others have issue. I wouldnt lynch today, and would prefer not to use a bullet on.
tictock is in null pile as I was surprised by the content since waking. Maybe im selfish, but I was quite surprised he didnt ask me anything.
moosy i agree is not on the table Day1. Could be easy mislynch; so focus on other scum team.

Apologies to leave it like this.

Like shit I’m a big topic still.

Consider lynching me like lynching little Blazinghand. I am really actually quite good; I’m just too nervous to ditch the façade just yet. Also, late game I wifom myself to the 5th level so I become easily influenced again.

So I’m a mid game player. Give me the mid game, and I’ll benefit. I really shine when you throw me in at the middle.

But lynching me early is just a waste.

Say I were actually mafia even. Do you really think I am a good day one lynch mafia player? I am shit at pushing a real lynch I actually believe in (read last game! I couldn’t even do it with HF’s dogged help, and he is one of the best!) so what real use am I to a scumteam?

Except to bus. So now, if you’re pushing me as scum? Consider this. As your scummate, (lol), I just took away your ability to bus me without heavily implicating yourself- EVERYONE KNOWS MY POINT IS RIGHT; I AM A GREAT BUSSING TARGET. SO NOW YOU INCRIMINATE YOURSELF. You ask, “lol slam cracked poor guy” in the QT, “how the hell does he think this will implicate us with his flip?”

Here’s the kicker.

Town, if you push me with genuine intent on me being scum, you are a lazy ass and deserve to lose. I am, if not THE least, one of the least influential players on this forum- I SAY BAR NONE, and challenge you to lift my spirits a bit and prove me wrong.

So when I flip town? You deserve to be suspected.

BAM MAFIA GOTTA BACK OFF.

which one is it?

but i am not gonna lie, between him being very different and him being apparently fairly upset by that vote, he makes me nervous.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 21 2018 12:35 GMT
#952
hi rels

also good news: got coffee
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 21 2018 12:38 GMT
#953
hmm... lemme look at rayn.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 21 2018 12:56 GMT
#962
rayn's overall filter is kinda meh. doesn't look horrible on a glance, but has not a lot of impact either. his reason to vote me checks out. also seems to be very busy.
rayn has fooled me before though so i'll reserve the right to some paranoia.

not sure if i would want to lynch him for that d1, but if his filter is still meh and he has had no impact on a later day, i would heavily recommend lynching him.
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