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On March 26 2018 17:01 Koshi wrote:
Hmm. I will be selfish and claim. In theory I shouldnt and try to do some saves / confirm mafia but I think the claim will be insanely disputed already. And if mafia is with 4 and has no kp left I need to save 2 shots for a ml. But cconfirming mafia is also not possible but w.e.
I am actually town roleblocker.
And yes. I know with a jailkeeper/vigi/tracker/roleblocker our setup is pretty stacked. But we are 9 townies down soo....
Anyway. If you believe disformation is mafia without my claim... it makes him really mafia with my claim. Sadly I assume mafia also has a roleblocker so I wont be worth shit anymore and am not a target to kill. But if we ever kill the rb and the potential back up role after that they kinda need to kill me. Which is far away but it's possible.
So I blocked Conversion n1 and df n2.
Didnt crumb anything.
Chances are extremely high there is mafia between me an disformation. I am assuming Mocsta will believe we are both mafia reading his last posts.
BUT would I buss disformation like that early game? I dont think I would.
I am still on the page I said I was a couple days ago. But I liked Mocsta his posts. And I read some of rsoultin during night.
Maybe mafia showed some face knowing they were close. And we can 2 in a row.
First you need to believe I am town though. 😁
Yea I hate this claim Koshi.
I mean you are actually claiming JK here. RB will almost never stop KP in a game like this, it is also a super weird role for town to have (though not out of the question). So you are promising more than your role can do.
The bolded bit about conversion checks out, Koshi was scum reading Conv EoD and N1. However, D2 Koshi says this about covnersion:
On March 23 2018 08:47 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 08:44 Palmar wrote:
1. Mocsta is confirmed town for all intents and purposes. The chances of this being some stupid play by mafia are low enough that I'm not gonna worry about it for now.
2. We're not killing rsoultin.
I need to read filters but I'm fairly sure we're just killing something like noobking or maybe ticktock today. I have high hopes for you palmar. If you find time. Look into df, conversion and fefe. I am going to need help not lynching into those 3. First I need to see why they arent mafia before my brain opens up for others. And I understand all 3 are not mafia. Maybe only 1. Very maybe 2.
Still a scum read... until...
On March 23 2018 18:59 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 16:55 rsoultin wrote:
Yeah I don't disagree on nk, mocsta. I expected some night action analysis given his perception of how the game should be played and there wasn't any that i noticed?
As for conversion...he feels different than the game I was scum in. Like wasn't he trying to be a new and better conversion? Don't see that here at all. This I agree with. NK last post was incredible underwhelming. Conversion I dont know about atm. I might not lynch him based on TT his read on conv which I respect.
Drops his scumread on Conversion randomly kus of me.
I'm sure the DF read is the same, it will prob check out but I don't actually recall Koshi pushing DF very hard or for any good reasons.
So pretty weird people to have RB'd if Koshi doesn't actually scumread them that hard.
Also you know, the more I think about it a town!RB just makes no fucking sense in this setup. Like we have 2 flipped Blues, and now 3 claimed. No way does a town!RB even make sense because they are probably more likely to hinder town than scum.
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Also you know, the more I think about it a town!RB just makes no fucking sense in this setup. Like we have 2 flipped Blues, and now 3 claimed. No way does a town!RB even make sense because they are probably more likely to hinder town than scum.
I could almost see a town!RB make sense if town is stacked with blues though... as it is almost like a negative role for town. Ehh, too swingy probably?
Yea fuck that I'd prefer not to get too into setup WIFOM here.
Someone slap me and tell me my original conclusion is right here.
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On March 27 2018 07:41 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2018 07:16 darthfoley wrote:
If koshi is mafia, the game continues and My suspicion was correct
If koshi is town, the game is over. Win win mafia is a team game for both alignments. have correct suspicion, doesn't meet the game definition of winning. wasnt this already debated prior when damdred got lynched d1 with correct reads. you still need to convince people to lynch them - otherwise pointless. Thats why I will always have respect for marvellosity. There was this game he created a fake account years ago as fivetouch. as a complete nobody he got the entire town onside and lynched mafia day1. Very real crisis leadership. i dont think any of the players in this game could do that; many are relying on reputations due to "correct suspicions". The closest may actualy be Koshi, but for different reasons to fivetouch. Koshi as town *CAN* be very involving from what I have seen in 2018. Again, this is why he is scum this game. ciao.
I mean I was very very busy last week during the start of the game and had low motivation. It's not like I just said "hmm Koshi may be mafia but I'll never explain it." I've cases Koshi and Rayn specifically since D1. But you aren't gonna get rayn or Koshi lynched D1 in a 20 person game unless they make some terrible slip. With so many lurkers it's bound to be one of them.
Has anyone had to motivation to try and find noobking crumbs?
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im not really seeing the relationship between what I wrote, and what you followed up with.
Doesnt really matter, my line of conversion was side-commentary.
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On March 27 2018 07:55 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2018 07:41 Mocsta wrote:On March 27 2018 07:16 darthfoley wrote:
If koshi is mafia, the game continues and My suspicion was correct
If koshi is town, the game is over. Win win mafia is a team game for both alignments. have correct suspicion, doesn't meet the game definition of winning. wasnt this already debated prior when damdred got lynched d1 with correct reads. you still need to convince people to lynch them - otherwise pointless. Thats why I will always have respect for marvellosity. There was this game he created a fake account years ago as fivetouch. as a complete nobody he got the entire town onside and lynched mafia day1. Very real crisis leadership. i dont think any of the players in this game could do that; many are relying on reputations due to "correct suspicions". The closest may actualy be Koshi, but for different reasons to fivetouch. Koshi as town *CAN* be very involving from what I have seen in 2018. Again, this is why he is scum this game. ciao. I mean I was very very busy last week during the start of the game and had low motivation. It's not like I just said "hmm Koshi may be mafia but I'll never explain it." I've cases Koshi and Rayn specifically since D1. But you aren't gonna get rayn or Koshi lynched D1 in a 20 person game unless they make some terrible slip. With so many lurkers it's bound to be one of them. Has anyone had to motivation to try and find noobking crumbs?
He had one night to track someone, and I feel like his reads were just as off as anyone's... I mean he started off voting Dis with Koshi for nothing and ended up on Rels.
So no. I'm also holding onto the sliver of hope that noob wasn't enough of an ass to actually have info but not claim it along with his 30min to go EoD claim.
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On March 27 2018 08:01 Mocsta wrote:
im not really seeing the relationship between what I wrote, and what you followed up with.
Doesnt really matter, my line of conversion was side-commentary.
"have correct suspicion, doesn't meet the game definition of winning.
wasnt this already debated prior when damdred got lynched d1 with correct reads.
you still need to convince people to lynch them - otherwise pointless."
my point is that i've tried to convince people to lynch my scum reads. Rsoultin did the same. I'm not really sure what else to interpret your post to mean. /offtopic
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On March 27 2018 08:07 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2018 08:01 Mocsta wrote:
im not really seeing the relationship between what I wrote, and what you followed up with.
Doesnt really matter, my line of conversion was side-commentary. "have correct suspicion, doesn't meet the game definition of winning. wasnt this already debated prior when damdred got lynched d1 with correct reads. you still need to convince people to lynch them - otherwise pointless." my point is that i've tried to convince people to lynch my scum reads. Rsoultin did the same. I'm not really sure what else to interpret your post to mean. /offtopic
there is no try.
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Having good scumreads while not being able to convince people is like being really good at dribbling in basketball and missing literally every shot. Completely pointless, might as well suck at everything.
People put way too little emphasis into the social/politics part of mafia and way too much into the logic/deduction part.
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@ Fecalfeast & Coagulation
I need you to try at least a little, you owe it to the game because you did in fact sign up for it.
Tell me who you consider to be town here today. I expect you to be able to at least give me 5 people and something like an explanation why.
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On March 27 2018 08:15 Palmar wrote:
Having good scumreads while not being able to convince people is like being really good at dribbling in basketball and missing literally every shot. Completely pointless, might as well suck at everything.
People put way too little emphasis into the social/politics part of mafia and way too much into the logic/deduction part.
this is true enough
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On March 27 2018 08:17 Tictock wrote:
@ Fecalfeast & Coagulation
I need you to try at least a little, you owe it to the game because you did in fact sign up for it.
Tell me who you consider to be town here today. I expect you to be able to at least give me 5 people and something like an explanation why.
I can put something together. Maybe not tonight but yeah i can do something
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On March 27 2018 07:55 darthfoley wrote:
I've cases Koshi and Rayn specifically since D1.
Cool can you show me those cases?
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On March 27 2018 13:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2018 07:55 darthfoley wrote:
I've cases Koshi and Rayn specifically since D1.
Cool can you show me those cases?
is this for real...
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On March 27 2018 02:51 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2018 01:17 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2018 01:15 Mocsta wrote:
palmar
why is rayn town
and why is df scummy, if he built a solid case on koshi.
like too much effort to be scum case as well.....???? I have no idea if rayn is town. His entry today was extremely weak and uncharacteristic. But he did correctly read me town for correct reasons on day 2. Maybe I'm just pocketed but idk. df because I have no idea what he has done this game. I had no idea he built a case on koshi (which should tell you something about the quality of the push...) building a case on someone when you know no one is going to listen is easy. uhhh I posted a case when everyone saw it. I was the first (or second, idk) person to look into Koshi as scum. Specifically, read these two posts: Show nested quote +On March 25 2018 10:01 darthfoley wrote:On March 23 2018 09:01 Koshi wrote:On March 23 2018 08:58 darthfoley wrote:On March 23 2018 08:57 Koshi wrote:
DF why is rayn not mafia? You not talking about him at all when the only interesting thing during the night was calling you mafia. If you are town. rayn did nothing. And his EoD was non existing as well. I never said he wasn't mafia. Let me look through his eod Exactly. You are not solving this game friend. One of the big players is playing underwhelming and calling you mafia and you dont bring his name up talking to us... His name should pop up way more in your posts. But it isnt. I wonder why. On March 23 2018 09:02 darthfoley wrote:On March 23 2018 09:01 Koshi wrote:On March 23 2018 08:58 darthfoley wrote:On March 23 2018 08:57 Koshi wrote:
DF why is rayn not mafia? You not talking about him at all when the only interesting thing during the night was calling you mafia. If you are town. rayn did nothing. And his EoD was non existing as well. I never said he wasn't mafia. Let me look through his eod Exactly. You are not solving this game friend. One of the big players is playing underwhelming and calling you mafia and you dont bring his name up talking to us... His name should pop up way more in your posts. But it isnt. I wonder why. Have you actually read my filter? I've consistently scum read rayn since beginning of game. I've literally called his play underwhelming and boring as fuck multiple times. Have you read anything? On March 23 2018 09:06 darthfoley wrote:
I apologize for not mentioning rayn enough in my filter.
A quick control + F of my filter shows I only mentioned his name or interacted with him 58 times. And I only called him scummy like 5 times. Truly terrible form by me and I will commit time and energy to remedying this truly unfortunate circumstance On March 23 2018 09:07 Koshi wrote:
Well. I am not reading a lot of posts tbh.
I'll read your filter later df. Hopefully what you say is true.
Palmar seems like a friend to town. At least we think alike.
I have like 6 names I could lynch today. At best there is 3 mafia in them. 1 mafia is probably within my townier people so that is why my townier people need to democratically vote within the 6. Highest chance to hit mafia. Dont only advocate for your own lynch. Think globally. Lemme just remind you how much I hated this interaction with Koshi. It's funny that the first bolded sentence, he's supposedly talking about rayn but I think he's actually talking about himself sneakily. He calls me out for blatantly false things, says he will read my filter later, then never comes back to it. This is after calling me scum repeatedly (but never actually casing me or putting any effort into getting me lynched.) You'd think this would be a top priority: one of his top scum reads telling him he's completely wrong about something. But he doesn't even care to check. Compare that to rayn saying something about me, I checked that shit ASAP because I didn't remember it the same way. Show nested quote +On March 25 2018 11:22 darthfoley wrote:And Koshi is mafia not because he's been forgettable (indeed, he has). Rather, he's mafia because he has strategically refused to move the game forward during key points for town. Tell me if these quotes remind you of anyone in this game... I am fine person to watch.
Just don't talk in the thread guys. Let them figure shit out. They are on the wrong persons and we only need to add our votes in the end and afk.
Don't further the game. Don't do it. You can only make mistakes. See I did something and it went south.
lol (Tgis is what I thibk works btw)
My scumplay is mostly atrocious. my plan is to to do nothing.
I like koshis plan of less is more. It is working. And you cant argue with results. ding ding ding: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/whXRitDyx58HaThis is textbook Koshi scum play.
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There is literally no mention about Koshi in df's filter on D1.
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Well anyways. i am doing the vayneauthority thing because no matter what i say will convince Mocsta or Tictock. Palmar is probably scum after all and i was initially wrong on him. I am only going to play for my own amusement which i have been doing since D1 after i got annoyed with Koshi.
There is no way to convince Mocsta because whoever disgrees with his reads is scum or "fuck you".
I don't even know what Tictock is saying right now, i have never sheeped Koshi, i have never sheeped Vivax, i have never even considered either of those things (except for disformation D1). Talking to him is like talking to a brick because apparently he's living in some la-la-land where things happened completely differently than they did in my game.
Unfortunately those two are town.
Other people are just useless or mafia.
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On March 27 2018 06:07 Tictock wrote:
Rayn makes sense to me there since he kept posting to sheep Koshi and Vivax last phase. Never explained where that Koshi or really early Moosy read came from.
Everything is wrong in these sentences. Literally everything.
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On March 27 2018 13:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
that is not D1.
no, you are right
i am convinced and willing to listen.
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So we agree on Koshi + Palmar + Disfo i gather
Its really the 4th scum, right?
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