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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 26 2018 20:17 GMT
#3293
kinda like d2 I guess
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 26 2018 20:50 GMT
#3298
an other thing I kinda noticed is that it is fairly hard to find possible partners in koshi's filter. so it really would make sense for him to tap out without giving away possible mates.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 26 2018 20:51 GMT
#3299
now that I think about it. didn't koshi have fefe as super scum n1. without much explanation. and fairly weird. as fefe was super null all game?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 26 2018 20:52 GMT
#3300
I think once I was able to tr fefe because he did a bunch of funny posts. harder to be real funny as scum for whatever it is worth.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 26 2018 21:13 GMT
#3305
On March 27 2018 05:51 disformation wrote:
now that I think about it. didn't koshi have fefe as super scum n1. without much explanation. and fairly weird. as fefe was super null all game?

On March 23 2018 06:32 Koshi wrote:
Man I was going to post this on deadline but w.e.
I think the risk is too high cool people will die.
RIP 3 townies.

I am paying attention. Suprise!
Best reads in spoiler. Town MVP Throphy = thx.
Mafia will probably win if slightly mafia balanced. Too much KP. Too many limited town players.

+ Show Spoiler +
Top town
18. Coagulation (town seal)
9. KelsierSC (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs)
6. rsoultin (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs)
7. Vivax (tip top town, because he lives in Vivax world)

Townish

3. ExO_ (Some1 mindmelded with him. The mindmeldee is mostly town. Other than that he doesn't look good)
17. Tictock (I said this after a post he made)
4. Mocsta (seems lost. Being lost here is good)
20. MoosyDoosy (I think he is town just based on thread sentiment against him)

I have hope for these players
15. Palmar (high hopes)
1. Holyflare (less high hopes)

Can flip either way
8. raynpelikoneet (not enough cares during lynch, nothing smart during night, pushes the idea df is town on something he didn't read properly. But he seems a bit lost which is townie)
14. disformation (still looks mafia to me)
10. ykl (Meh, needs more sass, way too safe)
11. n00bking (He might be good at playing mafia, I think he is town)
5. Alakaslam (potential false prophet)

mafia
2. Conversion (I call him mafia, he says I am always wrong on his alignment.)
12. darthfoley (I call him mafia, he says I am wrong.)
16. Fecalfeast (0 impact)

On March 23 2018 06:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
Just because I have 0 impact doesn't mean I'm mafia what a bullshit read when have i had any impact as town or mafia in like 3 years?

On March 23 2018 06:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
Definitely not a koshi tier read i should be scummy coinflip at best


like could be a softbus, but I kinda agree that the read was fairly weird. also doesn't overly read like mate interaction imo.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 26 2018 21:13 GMT
#3306
On March 27 2018 05:54 Fecalfeast wrote:
I don't like the koshi bandwagon for some reason so I'll vote with coag


mh fair enough. given koshi's behaviour scum is prolly at least partially bussing him and trying to setup a ml for d4?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 26 2018 21:17 GMT
#3307
On March 27 2018 06:07 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2018 05:50 disformation wrote:
an other thing I kinda noticed is that it is fairly hard to find possible partners in koshi's filter. so it really would make sense for him to tap out without giving away possible mates.


Do you see any issues with my team proposal?

I’m not able to fully explain why I see the association here, but I want to know if I am off base.

Rayn makes sense to me there since he kept posting to sheep Koshi and Vivax last phase. Never explained where that Koshi or really early Moosy read came from.

this:
On March 27 2018 03:29 Tictock wrote:
Going off my feels atm, scumteam is prob something like

Koshi/Moosy/Rayn/+1

rayn was super weird earlier and he has fooled me before. so that is possible. not sure if he was blatantly pushing away from koshi if he is in a team with him though.
and over all the koshi stuff I totally forgot to check moosy's filter.
I also have the bad feeling that we are kinda missing one of the scummers, but I fear that we are not going to find the last one very easily without 1-2 red flips at least. ~~
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 26 2018 21:18 GMT
#3308
ebwop: if he would be pushing away

getting tired. fucking daylight sucking time
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 26 2018 21:21 GMT
#3309
mh. would like to know why fefe is in moosy's lynchpool.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 26 2018 21:36 GMT
#3310
actually thinking about it a bit. like it is somewhat scary that it is this hard to find the scum. like 6-4. 40% scum.
I guess it kinda has to be rayn at that point.
so koshi+rayn and at least one of fefe/moosy?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 26 2018 21:37 GMT
#3311
but yeah getting super tired. will make time to go for a round of filtering tomorrow.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 27 2018 08:35 GMT
#3447
On March 27 2018 14:50 Mocsta wrote:
Because its important.
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2018 07:58 rsoultin wrote:
If I Die Before I Wake

Koshi 100% scum. All you need to see that is reading his posts post-flip. Too happy about players getting themselves modkilled, the comment about Slam, etc. Add to that his complete lack of influence on the game.

*Palmar 98% scum. I lied The way he delurked on weekend to attack n00bking both when NK first brought up the contradiction in his perception of blue claims, and when NK claimed blue, is not only opportunistic but counter to how Palmar normally plays weekends as town. Which is to say, he doesn't. Moreover, it was a classic strawman argument that he made. Namely, that he was saying he didn't push it as he should in the last game so NK was lying. But obviously he 1) did push it with just a few minutes left to go and 2) if he saw it as a mistake he's more likely to try to get such blue claims lynched harder in the future. A strawman argument, given Palmar, doesn't make him scum normally but I'd say it almost certainly does when he makes it seriously. If I get nk'd tonight, he's also probably the reason. Though, to be fair, I probably was going to get NK'd regardless of the scum team. Also, his reactions after the flips were only slightly better than koshi's.

(sorry, rayn. I did find your point plausible, I just don't think he thinks people are going to go digging up old games to see if his approach to the game on that specific point line up. And I actually think it makes disfo a bit more likely to be scum, as well)

Moosy 90% scum. I think there's an eentsy beentsy chance I'm just expecting too much of him. I think he's hoping to bank on Rayn's read and a general perception that he's just a trolly, useless player. To me, he never has been. And because I don't want to call him useless or anything if I happen to be wrong here, I'm just going to say this would have to be a very off game for him given the Moosy I remember, to reduce his game post flips to blind associations everywhere and little interaction with other players.

disformation 60% scum. Wasn't lying about saying fuck it regarding filters. So this is more feels and intuition based off his play in vendee where he was pretty on the ball and off doing whatever he wanted and dumping analysis into the thread. Here it's less like he's poking into things and finding things that interest him, but rather being led by the nose where to sniff. I don't mind waffling when I can see people have points in favor and points against that they want to express to show what's making them unsure. With him, though, there's just too many posts where he talks without really saying anything, like his read on Moosy. That's a different kind of waffle. Caveat is yeah, I'm basing this off two games and confirming he can be active as fuck as scum.

FF 55% town. Putting him at a slight townread because of how he interacted with me at EoD 2. It just seemed very open and honest, like a puppy ;o; This is obviously a very weak read and if I'm wrong on anyone it's probably him and one of disfo/moosy (more likely disfo than moosy).

DF, TT, rayn and Mocsta are always town here (even though I'd love for Mocsta to be our friendly neighborhood SK ;o;). You can of course disagree. But I still stand by my scum probably has next to no motivation to play when the game could probably literally end tonight. Rayn's outburst I don't think ever comes from scum for reasons I've already said.

Coag...if this is the game man, kudos?


quoting the quote for the 100% koshi scum.
On March 27 2018 16:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Actually wait. Thats a good point. If mafia have 2kp that means mocsta has to be confirmed town. That is if strongman isnt an extra kp and is counted as one of the 2kp

That means koshi/disgo is 50/50 if 5 blue roles is unlikely

yeah, basically.
koshi also has a good chance to flip scum outside of that. i had a bunch of points I pointed out and mocsta had a huge posts a few pages back.
On March 27 2018 16:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He can be mafia vig but yeah basically you're correct because he isn't mafia.

with that i can agree. imo mocsta flipping between me and koshi looks like town trying to find out who is the best lynch. if he somehow managed to fake that claim as scum vig and play like this he will get many an award for the performance.

generally feeling better on moosy as well. liked his "why the fack are you lynching into the blues" reaction.
super worried about rayn deciding to go kinda "hard" now. granted its lylo and he is voted me, so might be bias.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 27 2018 08:44 GMT
#3448
i mean i could look at df again, to see if he might be the 4th.
but I'm pretty sure the lynch today has to be me or hoshi... and if you lynch me there is no d4 anyways.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 27 2018 08:48 GMT
#3449
like hoshi is doing the classical "gtfo'ing" to not give any info on team mates away stuff. and its fairly hard to find possible mates in his filter regardless. which is what i totally would not expect from town!koshi.
add a bit of manipulation by calling ppl voting him dumb or mafia and i'm still somehwo getting enough votes to be tied with him.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 27 2018 08:51 GMT
#3450
like:
On March 27 2018 14:00 Mocsta wrote:
I dont see town shining through this??

Show nested quote +
On March 20 2018 23:23 Koshi wrote:
[...]
"Disfo scum for helping"
Sticks by this read and tell heavily throughout Day1.

Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 17:41 Koshi wrote:
On March 21 2018 13:10 darthfoley wrote:
It's like if I said

"I don't eat bananas because they're healthy, I eat them because they are yellow!"

Followed by an explanation of

"Indeed, bananas are yellow because they have lots of vitamins and minerals that will help you live a long and happy life. That's why I eat bananas. "

The explanation doesn't fit with why I stated that I eat bananas.

Expecting a town read from koshi and rayn for making a banana analogy.

The only thing you should expect is a letter from my lawyer demanding royalties.

It is a good analogy though. If it is true and not about rsoultin which I suspect it is. Because I already said she was town.

Exo is also town. Free read.
Sick read on Ex0 who majority of thread read as town.
No insight unlike NK or myself towards that sick town read.

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On March 21 2018 20:32 Koshi wrote:
5 mafia would be unbalanced unless town has 3 protection roles so I am assuming 4 mafia.

If there are 5 mafia hosts fucked up. Or should asap change the amount of night kills. So if there are 5 mafia. Contact the hosts that their balance is potentially shit.


Remember mafia has members/2 night kills rounded up. So 4 makes a lot of sense. Calix is probably smart.
Sick prediction for mafia team. Not a scumtell in isolation, but written very much in confidence.
Note the only 2 players to speculate with this much confidence is Ksohi + Palmar

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On March 22 2018 03:40 Koshi wrote:
I really dont want to lynch anybody xcept disformation. All others are ok. And the fact somebody like nk still has r votes on him and I feel like he could get more still is suspicious enough. Well nai for disformation but telling for nk being town.

Mafia played lowkey and made decent posts most likely.
LOL. sick read on NK & last paragraph almost written as matter of fact / tongue-in-cheek.

Show nested quote +
On March 22 2018 04:20 Koshi wrote:
On March 22 2018 03:59 Vivax wrote:
So if I pretend ExO can't get lynched today:

Koshi, KSc, rayn, HF, rsoultin are probs mafia. For postgame.

Impressive Vivax. That is somewhat my towncircle given some paranoia on rayn and mehish on HF.
Same, dig @ Vivax with matter of fact / tongue-in-cheek. Guess what, all town them except Koshi. FU vivax too !

Show nested quote +
On March 22 2018 04:55 Koshi wrote:
On March 22 2018 04:47 disformation wrote:
I also hate being blue. just as a random fyi.

If you are blue spill it out so I can vote somebody else. I am not lynching any blue claim till I am sure it is mafia. With the back up role I take it mafia doesn't care about losing roles anyway.
For someone that has been so cavalier all game, Koshi is now very explanatory with his unvote. SCUM TELL

Show nested quote +
On March 22 2018 08:13 Koshi wrote:
You guys fucked up.
RIP Rels.

I take no responsibility.
Really shitting town post given this prior:

Show nested quote +
On March 22 2018 05:00 disformation wrote:
yo koshi: regardless if you want to lynch me now or not:
say I was not an option, who would be your #2, don't recall you having a second sr.
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2018 05:14 Koshi wrote:Yeah I don't have one. So I will join the majority. Hmm. Veteran.. Pff. Maybe.

I am afk and will ninjavote later.


Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 06:03 Koshi wrote:
On March 23 2018 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh god i fucked up. Should have lynched df.

I like this comment. You are in the null category atm but this is good.
first mention of DF, who is then a scum read in his list post.

Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 08:31 Koshi wrote:
On March 23 2018 07:58 Holyflare wrote:
My dying wishes:

If mocsta is town lynch ticktock 10/10 times. It's not a towny thought process to defend someone from a case before you read the case ever. It's ridiculous. Then he's trying to push me as mafia because I backed off nk....? Wtf is he even reading.

When you've done that you either kill Fecalfeast or he claims blue. Either or.

Don't let rsoultin slide away doing not much. Don't think she's having any usual impact. If I die one of the usual top town people looking people (not in this game) are mafia so look into rsoul/palmar/vivax/koshi etc.

Don't really agree with rayn on df fight but dude seems ok. Koshi seems ok. Slam not voting would be a dick move to team mates. Coag seal. Forget most people in this game really. Don't sleep on palmar, he's playing his mafia meta right now but I wanna see where it goes. Like the drive on nk.

TT, fefe, Palmar are good names here. Palmar only on d3 I think.

rayn vs df is a really annoying riddle. I think df is mafia and rayn can be. Even together.

[...]
interesting position to take.

Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 08:32 Tictock wrote:
Odd Koshi knew there was gunna be 3 townies dead. Also feel weird he townreads me when I feel like I should probably be null at best for most people.

Eh I guess it would be a pretty weird scum slip to announce how much KP they have, on the other hand this is Koshi...
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 08:35 Koshi wrote:
Just like Mocsta I think we blocked 1 kp tbh. Mafia kp is 4/2=2 and I think they have either a vigi or strongarm. The balance seems fine this game.
This is interesting quote. It could reinforce the town!RB, but Koshi never points this out as a crumb. So doesnt count now.
Further, the block on conversino doesnt really line up with his filter progression. yes, conversion is listed as scum; but hes definitely more interested in darthfoley.

Now, rsoultin cannot target the same player twice as JK & KP across the 2 nights is indicative of mafia limited to 2-KP.

Thus I find it very unlikely that she managed to block mafia from delivering KP 2 nights in row; more likely that she blocked a save on night 2, missed on night 1. Again, i think this points out to bullshit from koshi

Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 08:57 Koshi wrote:
DF why is rayn not mafia? You not talking about him at all when the only interesting thing during the night was calling you mafia. If you are town. rayn did nothing. And his EoD was non existing as well.
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 08:58 darthfoley wrote:
I never said he wasn't mafia. Let me look through his eod
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 09:01 Koshi wrote:
Exactly. You are not solving this game friend. One of the big players is playing underwhelming and calling you mafia and you dont bring his name up talking to us...

His name should pop up way more in your posts. But it isnt. I wonder why.
To me, this progression is Koshi baiting DF to shit on Rayn and fan the fires.

Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 09:07 Koshi wrote:
Well. I am not reading a lot of posts tbh.
I'll read your filter later df. Hopefully what you say is true.

Palmar seems like a friend to town. At least we think alike.

I have like 6 names I could lynch today. At best there is 3 mafia in them. 1 mafia is probably within my townier people so that is why my townier people need to democratically vote within the 6. Highest chance to hit mafia. Dont only advocate for your own lynch. Think globally.
Very flipfloppy on Palmar... interesting, no?

Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 19:14 Koshi wrote:
##vote n00bKing

For somebody who put in effort you are not where the other people are who are putting in effort. You are not where rsoultin, Mocsta, Vivax or HF are. You made a post with 3 scumreads and I didnt feel excited about a single one.

Mistakes were made yesterday.
Overly justified vote

Rest of filter after claim doesnt matter.

+
On March 27 2018 04:20 disformation wrote:
yo hoshi what I don't understand about your t1:
you were super hard on me super early for that one post.
then I claim.
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2018 05:14 Koshi wrote:
On March 22 2018 05:00 disformation wrote:
yo koshi: regardless if you want to lynch me now or not:
say I was not an option, who would be your #2, don't recall you having a second sr.

Yeah I don't have one. So I will join the majority. Hmm. Veteran.. Pff. Maybe.

I am afk and will ninjavote later.

which implies you don't rly buy the claim.
then this happens:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2018 05:15 Koshi wrote:
On March 22 2018 05:11 disformation wrote:
conv can still be scum, too.

##unvote
##vote conversion


Not the worst idea


and its the first mention of conv in your filter.
so I'm like ???

+
On March 23 2018 06:32 Koshi wrote:
Man I was going to post this on deadline but w.e.
I think the risk is too high cool people will die.
RIP 3 townies.

I am paying attention. Suprise!
Best reads in spoiler. Town MVP Throphy = thx.
Mafia will probably win if slightly mafia balanced. Too much KP. Too many limited town players.

+ Show Spoiler +
Top town
18. Coagulation (town seal)
9. KelsierSC (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs)
6. rsoultin (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs)
7. Vivax (tip top town, because he lives in Vivax world)

Townish

3. ExO_ (Some1 mindmelded with him. The mindmeldee is mostly town. Other than that he doesn't look good)
17. Tictock (I said this after a post he made)
4. Mocsta (seems lost. Being lost here is good)
20. MoosyDoosy (I think he is town just based on thread sentiment against him)

I have hope for these players
15. Palmar (high hopes)
1. Holyflare (less high hopes)

Can flip either way
8. raynpelikoneet (not enough cares during lynch, nothing smart during night, pushes the idea df is town on something he didn't read properly. But he seems a bit lost which is townie)
14. disformation (still looks mafia to me)
10. ykl (Meh, needs more sass, way too safe)
11. n00bking (He might be good at playing mafia, I think he is town)
5. Alakaslam (potential false prophet)

mafia
2. Conversion (I call him mafia, he says I am always wrong on his alignment.)
12. darthfoley (I call him mafia, he says I am wrong.)
16. Fecalfeast (0 impact)

On March 23 2018 06:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
Just because I have 0 impact doesn't mean I'm mafia what a bullshit read when have i had any impact as town or mafia in like 3 years?

On March 23 2018 06:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
Definitely not a koshi tier read i should be scummy coinflip at best
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 27 2018 08:53 GMT
#3451
like i get that @mocsta thinks both koshi and me are scum and i have to admit that i didnt play great this game. like heck last game rayn needed to cop check me to believe I'm town, so maybe i need to rethink my current style of play, but it would suck fairly hard to get ml now.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 27 2018 08:59 GMT
#3452
team is prolly koshi+rayn+fefe+x
x is... not sure one of palmar/df prolly
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 27 2018 09:01 GMT
#3453
On March 27 2018 17:48 disformation wrote:
like hoshi is doing the classical "gtfo'ing" to not give any info on team mates away stuff. and its fairly hard to find possible mates in his filter regardless. which is what i totally would not expect from town!koshi.
add a bit of manipulation by calling ppl voting him dumb or mafia and i'm still somehwo getting enough votes to be tied with him.

i mean i dont expect town!koshi to just gtfo in lylo
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 27 2018 09:43 GMT
#3460
On March 27 2018 18:31 Koshi wrote:
Oh disformation is getting lynched so he cranks up the retarded shit again.

Good stuff.

i like how you don't address a single point. or call me scum, but retarded instead. what happened to no shitflinging?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 27 2018 09:54 GMT
#3465
like i dunno man. maybe i'm just dumb (as i claimed pregame) and seeing shit cause i can't get over the setup.
but like wtf. 5 blues against 4 scum? like no idea what scum has, but it is super unlikely.
i'm town, I don't think mocsta is scum.

and if im dumb I am like in decent company.
vivi thought you were scum. rs thought you were scum. hf had you as "ok".
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