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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 23 2018 13:13 GMT
#2134
Nah, just got in. Think I'm gonna plop down a vote though and look over the game at my leisure. I was going to look specifically into the points mocsta raised. Did you have something else on DF that you wanted looked at?

@Conv

Noted. So why did you drop your better behavior conv this game?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 23 2018 13:33 GMT
#2142
On March 23 2018 22:31 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 22:13 rsoultin wrote:
Nah, just got in. Think I'm gonna plop down a vote though and look over the game at my leisure. I was going to look specifically into the points mocsta raised. Did you have something else on DF that you wanted looked at?

@Conv

Noted. So why did you drop your better behavior conv this game?


I'm still not at the drama-queen stage yet so I think I'm doing fine, so better behavior compared to what? I have non game related reasons why I was slightly testy D1/N1, but it's rather annoying that you blew off your chain at me first and then expect the same level of respect back as you did in Vendee. Granted I was in a better mood when you tried to OMGUS me in Vendee, but again, I'm not a robot and you seriously can't expect me to be the same every game.


Yeah I don't recall ever blowing off my chain at you, so -shrugs-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 23 2018 13:42 GMT
#2146
On March 23 2018 22:34 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 22:33 rsoultin wrote:
On March 23 2018 22:31 Conversion wrote:
On March 23 2018 22:13 rsoultin wrote:
Nah, just got in. Think I'm gonna plop down a vote though and look over the game at my leisure. I was going to look specifically into the points mocsta raised. Did you have something else on DF that you wanted looked at?

@Conv

Noted. So why did you drop your better behavior conv this game?


I'm still not at the drama-queen stage yet so I think I'm doing fine, so better behavior compared to what? I have non game related reasons why I was slightly testy D1/N1, but it's rather annoying that you blew off your chain at me first and then expect the same level of respect back as you did in Vendee. Granted I was in a better mood when you tried to OMGUS me in Vendee, but again, I'm not a robot and you seriously can't expect me to be the same every game.


Yeah I don't recall ever blowing off my chain at you, so -shrugs-


Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 22:12 rsoultin wrote:
On March 21 2018 22:10 Conversion wrote:
rsoultin can you spend your time figuring out the rest of your unknowns instead of arguing with rels


Nope. And if you bothered to know what the fuck you were talking about you'd know I'd already done this.

Figure out the rest of your unknowns my ass.

Okay, I can see why you'd think that this is me blowing off my chain at you or whatever. You were interrupting something that I felt was important to tell me to go do something I'd already done.

I'll apologize for the language. However, you've actually been shitty toward people long before you started calling me stupid every other time you posted to me. And I never took it personally because, frankly, I don't see how what I've posted regarding you is stupid and I also think you have a good chance of flipping scum. If you're behaving this way because I cursed at you, that was probably uncalled for on my part. So if you're town, can we both just agree to let it go, yeah?

It still doesn't change that you started this game being shitty toward people and that's what you were going to try to stop.

Would you answer my question as to how it's stupid of me to say that your EoD read coming out of nowhere is scummy?

How does it make you town to townread a counterwagon when there are other counterwagons? What am I missing that you feel the need to call me an idiot for even suggesting that you could be scum for pulling a read out of thin air?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 23 2018 13:51 GMT
#2150
On March 23 2018 22:44 Conversion wrote:
I mean, where was I being shitty to people except n00bking and Moosy? It's honestly so fucking annoying when people are telling me my behavior has been shitty. literally besides calling your point stupid, telling n00bking who lorded over me and implied I was bad at the game, and Moosy who didn't give a flying fuck about anything I posted and just told me I was "mean" while n00bking swung his dick around telling everyone they were bad?

Seriously, fuck all of you telling me my behavior has been shit.


Come back. Calm down. And understand what I'm saying, please.

I don't have an issue with you sniping at people in a vacuum.

I have an issue with it because you'd said you were trying to stop, and actually did a pretty good job of that your last town game. We all say things we shouldn't, and even if the emotion is real enough in the moment, it's usually not meant as nastily as it comes out.

I'm not saying you've been the most toxic player in the game. Far from. I've probably been worse. Definitely have at certain times.

Can you please come back and talk to me so I can get right if I'm wrong?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 23 2018 14:12 GMT
#2153
On March 23 2018 23:03 disformation wrote:
you should be rage-quit inducer instead.
@conv: take a break, have smoke/drink/whatever you like and come back. afaik ppl aren't very inclined to lynch you. hell your nk comment made me laugh so i am less inclined to lynch you.


lol apparently so >< and i wasn't being mean either time which is the mind-boggling part
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 23 2018 14:18 GMT
#2154
Regarding DF...I'd say slightly towny on the fight with rayn? But then I just see them both talking past each other and getting frustrated there, so take that with a grain of salt lol ><

What about his comments on NK do you not like?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 23 2018 14:29 GMT
#2164
I'm sorry. I didn't intend to imply that your behavior was worse than anyone else's, conversion.

I agree that a lot of people have been shitty this game, myself included. Toward ExO in particular but also in general. And yes, KSC certainly qualifies as well.

Irregardless of the game, I hope you can understand that I'm not trying to criticize you for your behavior.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 23 2018 14:33 GMT
#2168
On March 23 2018 23:28 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 22:17 ykl wrote:
On March 23 2018 19:35 n00bKing wrote:
On March 23 2018 18:23 ykl wrote:
Going by the flip on Holyflare and Vivax and assuming that both were targeted because their reads were on track

What would lead you to this assumption?

Its not really a complicated thought process. Scum notices them getting suspected -> scum panics -> scum kills to get people off their trail. Its pretty much the simplest conclusion possible and probably the dumbest one but I'm a really stupid person so I'll go with this first before considering the paranoia theory that they were targeted because they're wrong to sow some confusion.

Unless you have a better suggestion for me to look into, I'll give it my utmost consideration.


It's not even a panic. The best scum move is always to shoot people who are right.

People don't like to change their minds ^^


True, but it's probably not a great idea to encourage people to only look into who nk targets were scumreading, Palmar lol >< There are plenty of reasons for night kills.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 23 2018 14:41 GMT
#2172
On March 23 2018 23:37 Palmar wrote:
Btw, KSC's chances of being mafia have increased somewhat

Just like Mocsta creating some bullshit post restriction, then getting excited and ignoring his own rules makes Mocsta more likely to be town, KSC claiming to go afk for a day and not even returning to post a single post or take a jab at someone or something means he's not really particularly excited about the game.



I know he said he wouldn't be back before today, but yeah, the lengthy disappearance is making me antsy. Also, if I just go with lynching the people I was townreading

rayn/ksc/koshi

top that list \o/

Didn't really see anything that struck me as terribly scummy when he was actually in the thread, though. So there's that.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 23 2018 14:53 GMT
#2183
I'd heard something about it before. Super easy meta to break, of course, but...it's one of those things. Once you break it you can't use it again lol >< There's something I never do that frankly I probably should be willing to do because it nerfs my scum game but...eh. Then you can't say you never do it anymore.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 23 2018 16:20 GMT
#2190
On March 24 2018 01:01 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2018 00:05 disformation wrote:
uh. my seal flip quip is actually real good.
cause either its a legit town seal or a baby seal.

@yoshi: do you beliebe in the town seal as hard as it looks like in your reads list?

Ofc I do. I will never lynch him except maybe lylo.

rsoultin seems lost last 3 pages. But in a bad way. Maybe not though.


Eh, I find this game demoralizing, frankly. So that makes sense.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 23 2018 18:15 GMT
#2240
On March 24 2018 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2018 02:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On March 23 2018 17:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You too Tina.
Last game i actually played i instantly caught you for all the right reasons regardless of what you say and think.
You can keep your Koshi circle too.

On March 23 2018 19:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 23 2018 19:08 darthfoley wrote:
Being aggressive doesn't mean scum reading them. I have just sense a lack of aggression generally. Usually when you're town you want to be right and you want everyone to admit that you are right. You like being the center of discussion and do not enjoy being cast aside.

I see, i should be aggressive towards my townreads. Noted.
The rest is also bs. Apparently you haven't seen me playing lately.

Dude. Rayn. Tone down the aggression. Absolutely nothing transpired that warrants this aggression or anger from you. You get scum read, sucks man. Wagons don't go your way, feels bad. It doesn't warrant an outpouring of whining and anger. In fact, things are generally going your way and the majority of people are town reading you.

Same thing with rsoultin.

I get that you guys are veterans of this site and might feel entitled for some reason but I feel uncomfortable that you guys frequently flip the whiny frustrated switch at the smallest sign of resistance. And it contributes to a substantially shittier game.

I dont think i am being aggressive, sarcastic yes.
I get frustrated when people cant even think why i am doing the things i do. It doesnt matter to me if they scumread me or not but i cba to argue in my defense against things that are completely hilarious.

Idk, i might start playing like disformation here, just comment on every thing that goes on in thread but never actually do anything with any information. I promise i will do that next game, it will for my own amusement.

Dont even ask why i react to Koshi as i do.

Funnily enough i do t feel like talking to anyone in this game atm except for Palmar and Mocsta, aside from you. Nothing has been done today except apparently people managed to kill Conversion and dick move analysis alone says he is town, so well done moat likely.

Im just gonna get drunk tonight and probably tomorrow as well.

-pokes-

I keep making people not want to play. Including myself. Join me on heroes?

I'm not even sure what I've been doing so wrong this game >< other than being wrong a whole fucking lot. But yeah.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 23 2018 18:25 GMT
#2248
I don't know but he quoted my post, so that makes 2 for 2.

Thanks, df.

Yeah, I'll try to find some motivation tomorrow. It's just really not here today. Was finally feeling ready to delve back into things when conversion happened. I don't join these games to make people upset.

I don't know what moosy is talking about but I'm sure he's right and I'm doing whatever that is, too.

I mean, the only real reads I've gotten from today apart from probably being wrong on conversion is I'm feeling better about palmar and I don't think disfo is ever scum here? Well, outside chance, but pretty minimal when he seems willing to work with literally everyone on literally everything.

That's all I've got.

Good night.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 23 2018 20:50 GMT
#2273
\o/ Slam!

Town
Mocsta
Coagulation
raynpelikoneet - tone

Very Likely Town
disformation - level of involvedness
Palmar - could be wrong for a number of reasons, but I like what he's posted since N1
Koshi - think he could emulate this level of play as mafia, however his beginning of D2 gives me good feels. he could have just let the cats quarrel and that would have been perfect for scum
Slam - tone from his last catch-up on D1

Computer says town but want to reread
Moosy - my impression of his scum play was he fell off hard later in the game while still posting periodically. i'm not getting that impression here, but need to double-check to make sure his posts are leading somewhere

Needs review
darthfoley - tonally i'm finding him more townish since EoD1/N1. need to really look into the arguments and discuss with rayn
ksc - felt he was town early D1 and never really gave him a hard look. even the read through I didn't get too far in. could be wrong here
tt- seem to remember he made okayish posts, but i'm having trouble placing him in this game. not a good sign

Fuck if I know
ykl - liked his early tone. could be overwhelmed as town. could be floating under the radar, though
FF - a bit more on the scummy side of null. says i'm scum but he'll sheep onto the wagon that i'm voting on

Very likely scum
N00b - would rather argue about how valuable he is to town than try to be valuable to town

Flipping anyway
Conversion




I'm going to focus on the bottom 7 tomorrow (excluding conv of course), and I'll also discuss any townreads that others want lynched.

Probably be on around noonish CET? Maybe a little earlier
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 24 2018 07:28 GMT
#2383
On March 23 2018 08:11 Tictock wrote:
Just checking flips before I finish reading (note I still have not read pgs 40-70 or w/e)

Guess I can let that HF stuff go.

Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?

Assuming for a moment that that was all mafia KP then I think 5 mafia is a safe bet (6 just seems like too much for 20 players).

Noting for myself to look into who Vivax was scum reading.


Just for clarification, this is the post that people say they don't understand how it can come from town?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 24 2018 07:40 GMT
#2387
On March 24 2018 16:28 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 08:11 Tictock wrote:
Just checking flips before I finish reading (note I still have not read pgs 40-70 or w/e)

Guess I can let that HF stuff go.

Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?

Assuming for a moment that that was all mafia KP then I think 5 mafia is a safe bet (6 just seems like too much for 20 players).

Noting for myself to look into who Vivax was scum reading.


Just for clarification, this is the post that people say they don't understand how it can come from town?

I mean, I know it's the one rayn is talking about. I'm just making sure that it's also the one you're talking about nk?

+ Show Spoiler +
@slam I thought that the red comments were part of nk's post that you highlighted at first and was so confused rofl ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 24 2018 07:49 GMT
#2390
On March 24 2018 16:42 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2018 16:40 rsoultin wrote:
On March 24 2018 16:28 rsoultin wrote:
On March 23 2018 08:11 Tictock wrote:
Just checking flips before I finish reading (note I still have not read pgs 40-70 or w/e)

Guess I can let that HF stuff go.

Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?

Assuming for a moment that that was all mafia KP then I think 5 mafia is a safe bet (6 just seems like too much for 20 players).

Noting for myself to look into who Vivax was scum reading.


Just for clarification, this is the post that people say they don't understand how it can come from town?

I mean, I know it's the one rayn is talking about. I'm just making sure that it's also the one you're talking about nk?

Yes.

Tt's explanation for it lines up for me? I'm terms of teaching differently to the hf/viva kills. I guess it's a bit purposeless in the sense that he's just speculating about kp and saying he needs to check things, I'm just not sure what's supposed to be so scummy about it?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 24 2018 07:58 GMT
#2392
I've seen slam get pissed off as town. Hf apparently has when he's scum. His catchup prior to that struck me as towny.

Coag I've hardly played with, but palmar is probably right. Remember some town seal thing vaguely.

Believe those were your meta questions without reopening filters because that's a pain in the ads in phone.

You think d1 is a crap shoot. So I speculate this means you like flips. Night actions. Solid evidence. Is that right?

Maybe I missed it, but you seemed to go straight to afkers after three flips. Tt excluded but I have to check the context on that.

I'm interested in what the flips told you. How that potentially changed your view of the game. Please quote posts I missed. If it's all stuff you haven't written about yet, i would still like to hear it.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 24 2018 08:00 GMT
#2393
On March 24 2018 16:54 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2018 16:49 rsoultin wrote:
On March 24 2018 16:42 n00bKing wrote:
On March 24 2018 16:40 rsoultin wrote:
On March 24 2018 16:28 rsoultin wrote:
On March 23 2018 08:11 Tictock wrote:
Just checking flips before I finish reading (note I still have not read pgs 40-70 or w/e)

Guess I can let that HF stuff go.

Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?

Assuming for a moment that that was all mafia KP then I think 5 mafia is a safe bet (6 just seems like too much for 20 players).

Noting for myself to look into who Vivax was scum reading.


Just for clarification, this is the post that people say they don't understand how it can come from town?

I mean, I know it's the one rayn is talking about. I'm just making sure that it's also the one you're talking about nk?

Yes.

Tt's explanation for it lines up for me? I'm terms of teaching differently to the hf/viva kills. I guess it's a bit purposeless in the sense that he's just speculating about kp and saying he needs to check things, I'm just not sure what's supposed to be so scummy about it?

...as rayn and I have said, there is no reason for a town player to make that post. As I've said, I can, however, imagine a reason for a scum player to make that post.

And again, his defense of the post has been even worse than the post was. Check my "Yikes" post.

I saw but I disagree? I don't find it particularly strange to want to see the flips and then to post about them, even not caught up.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 24 2018 08:04 GMT
#2394
Hf's point on tt in his farewell post is the one I think may have merit and am noting that here so I don't forget to poke into it. The one about defending mocsta.

I'm trying to understand what makes comment it on flips scummy. I may still disagree but obviously we're not seeing eye to eye
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
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