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Trfel why aren't you voting df? You have him dead to rights with that earlier post.
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On February 06 2018 12:13 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 12:03 darthfoley wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 Trfel wrote:On February 06 2018 11:48 darthfoley wrote:On February 06 2018 11:39 Trfel wrote:
Hi. Darthfoley, what was about Mocsta's posts about going to bed that got to you so much? Doesn't have to be a long answer, I know you said they felt awkward but I'm not really seeing what you are at present.
I'll read Mocsta's case soon. Basically if I were super tired and woke up to post, I would probably not make the second post with typos about going back to bed. For me, I would just be exhausted and fall asleep. The second post sounded like one of those "update on activity" posts mafia sometimes feel like they have to make You take this more seriously than Mocsta's drawing attention to rsoultin's comment about the serial killer? No In that case I'm really confused as to your thought process. You've said that Mocsta doesn't impress you, but seem to agree with everything he's saying and doing about rsoultin. To me it seems like your suspicions of Mocsta due to his waking up/going to sleep posts should be vastly outweighed by his making the main push in the thread that you are in agreement with. So what is it that makes them so similar; or why are you still so suspicious of Mocsta?
Go for it.
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On February 06 2018 21:24 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel why aren't you voting df? You have him dead to rights with that earlier post. ita pretty obvious why he isnt.
Its the same reaaon i havent.
However. Why have you not voted df?
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rsoultin go explain your lynch pool instead of doing whatever you’re doing. I’m in it and you most likely will have people on board— why is your filter just you arguing about minute details and defending yourself?
On February 06 2018 20:12 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 12:24 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 12:23 Trfel wrote:On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 12:07 Trfel wrote:
Conversion, I'm really confused by what you're saying about rsoultin. I may be misunderstanding your argument entirely, correct me if I'm wrong (posts 122-124), but you seem to be saying that one of the reasons you're willing to lynch rsoultin is that she randomly picked on your post and not the other joke posts at the time. Or what is going on here? Her nitpicky post just seemed pretty forced to try and make something out of obviously nothing. I see that more scum than town. On February 06 2018 06:52 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 06:45 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 06:37 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:36 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 06:34 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:31 Holyflare wrote:
The fact is you can't be bothered because it isn't really important and is pretty irrelevant. Rayn makes a wall of text on it and it's overblown. There's a couple of reasons that spring to mind but there's nothing wrong with voting rayn in the meantime. a tually ita because i needed to piss and am goinf back to sleep lol But.. what yoy say is interesting. I will considee when i wake if a wall of text was deserving over a "ping" Going back to sleep is probably a good idea considering the way you write at the moment Bro-ski Nice joke but not very hipster of you Be that wanderer and tell me thoights on rsoultin please Was thinking nothing about her posts but that On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:
@Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange. I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though. actually sounds a bit bullshitty to me I am curious as to what part of her sharing her opinion on my obviously joke post on HF being Serial Killer sounds bullshitty In that case, why did you ask this question to mderg, if you agreed with his assessment? Because calling people's opinions bullshitty doesn't make sense in my head, and is also seemingly forced to try and look active? I don't get this line of questioning. I can ask people about their motivations even if I may agree with them Am I misunderstanding things or was your line of thought? I saw something strange about rsoultin -> mderg saw the same thing but worded it different than I would -> something's fishy
Sort of like that. I just didn’t understand how her statemen was “bullshitty” but dropped it once you said it wasn’t the right word
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Glancing over new content rsoultin is still my lynch. Going to head into work
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On February 06 2018 20:47 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 20:45 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 18:15 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 07:35 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 07:22 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 07:13 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 06:50 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 06:45 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 06:37 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:36 mderg wrote:
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Going back to sleep is probably a good idea considering the way you write at the moment Bro-ski Nice joke but not very hipster of you Be that wanderer and tell me thoights on rsoultin please Was thinking nothing about her posts but that On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:
@Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange. I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though. actually sounds a bit bullshitty to me Why? Maybe bullshitty is the wrong word but this "unnatural place for someone's mind to go" is a bit much regarding an obvious joke post Again, why does it being an obvious joke post default to bullshit? I read the beginning of the sentence and assumed mafia would be the conclusion. It wasn't. That caught my eye more than all the other obvious jokes flying around -shrugs- I agree that it's pretty moot since it was just a passing thought that for some stupid reason has now become the focal point of the thread. What do you think about mocsta bandwagoning on that? @DF, so it's scummy for me to comment on it like I did but you also don't like mocsta. I don't understand. I guess my mind is more simple than that. I see joke post -> I mentally discard it About Mocsta: I can kind of see what he's seeing but I'm already struggling to understand what he's saying So, basically, because you'd never give a moment's thought to a joke post you assume that I would not as well, which defaults to bullshit. Yeah...see, for me to believe that I'd have to think you're someone who expects everyone to think like you, and that's not the impression that I got from you last game. I'm also not sure how you can 'kind of see what he's seeing' while simultaneously not understanding him? You're putting way too much focus on my wording. It was an overblown reaction to an obvious joke post. I see his points on you but I also have a hard time understanding some of his posts. It shouldn't be that difficult to understand. What exactly was 'overblown' about my reaction? So which points do you agree with and which don't you understand, then?
It's a joke post, you treated it like there is something in there.
Your passive aggressiveness at the start of the game. I don't think there's a single point I simply don't understand but I needed to read some of his posts several times to understand what he was trying to say.
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On February 06 2018 22:10 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 21:24 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel why aren't you voting df? You have him dead to rights with that earlier post. ita pretty obvious why he isnt. Its the same reaaon i havent. However. Why have you not voted df?
If it was pretty obvious I wouldn't be asking this question, would I?
I do what I want.
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I town read ritoky because our reads sort of overlap as well as their timing.
I don't like Trfel but I guess I'm the only one. His play seems kind of sideliney and too cautious, everybody agreeing with him seems to calm him down rather than fire him up.
On February 06 2018 12:46 Trfel wrote:
Ritoky, may I ask why you're so confident in Holyflare being town?
I'm pretty sure I see what you're getting at but Holflare tends to destroy hopes and dreams as mafia, I'm just curious as to how you're so confident so quickly.
Also, how serious is your read on Koshi?
I also don't like this question about Koshi because ritoky's read on Koshi was obviously based one just one single post with no real content, of course it wasn't serious or anything.
Not reading too much into the rsoultin/raynpelikoneet thing. For now they're both town.
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Or maybe it's the raynpelikoneet/rsoultin thing?
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To be clear, rsoultin
On February 06 2018 18:48 rsoultin wrote:
I think I want to lynch into conv/rit/mderg today.
Not sure on mocsta...it's hard to tell with someone tunneled on you.
Rayn and truffle are town.
DF...I'm not sure. I see the issue truffle has with him, and it's part of why I'm reading truffle town, but I still think that tonally DF is kinda towny. Relaxed. Also, it doesn't really look like last game where he was scum.
What bugs me about ritoky most is he seems to have a decently strong reason to scumread conversion but isn't pursuing it. If conv ends up being scum, he probably is, too. Actually, he's probably scum anyway. I really don't get the focus on koshi over people who are actually scummy to him.
You said this and then another page+ is you just pinpointing things that don't help you push your agenda. You poked ritoky a few times, that's about it. I didn't see you getting anything from that.
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On February 06 2018 20:23 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 20:20 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 06 2018 20:11 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 06 2018 20:00 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is the "half-town" read? that mocsta is town. it is pretty much purely on the heuristic that the highest activity player d1 is almost always town. because his obsession with his nothing-burger case does not inspire any further confidence in me about his alignment. so rsoultin and Trfel arent townreads after all? I mean if Mocsta is "half town" based on a shitty heuristic, i am quite sure you should consider your almost as shitty smiley read more convincing and Trfel is always town so i cannot understand why anyone should not read him as town as Mocsta in the first place. I don't understand the strength of HF read and i think it is BS but i concede to the point you could possibly maybe sometimes think so as town. i mean i was confident until you told me she got nailed for it last game, then i looked and it was kinda true; so i lost some confidence in it. i was banking on using the read i invented years ago to get a sneakster read, but it appears people still plagiarize my reads shamelessly. trfel took a quote out of context pretty bad, so he doesn't get to sit at the table anymore. I am sorry but i cannot tell if you are telling the truth or lying about it based on what you posted at the time you supposedly went to check this. Which was the post Trfel took out of context? this is the most honest game of mafia i have ever played. i haven't exaggerated anything, lied, or taken anything deliberately out of context yet. which is a wild deviation for me. On February 06 2018 14:20 Trfel wrote:I feel like Conversion is highly inconsistent. I'm not sold on him being mafia but I'm pretty suspicious. On February 06 2018 10:06 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 09:52 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 08:08 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 07:03 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 05:22 Conversion wrote:
He's actually home. I'm next to him and read his role PM and it said Serial Killer this is quite funny. See i thoight before you said YOU were sk I reread based on ya latest comment saying it was to HF. When i saw HF say hes "safe" i was drawn to assume SK as well lol
Unusual choice of words, inclusive of vet This is weird since that wasn't the conclusion I was drawing. Not sure why you are trying to conclude we thought the same thing. I just assumed safe meant "not mafia," so I just joked about it. Yeah OK. I think you are nitpicking/overreacting here with the distancing a bit much. But watevz. I still think the choice of "safe" is unusual, and when coupled with the how he interjected Rayn/rsoultin - in general I find it to be odd play. However, I am more curious if this is what you truly think is the most relevant part of the game to raise so far? Fair point on me being nitpicky. That's just how I am. Also, agreed I was being lazy in not bringing up anything related to rsoultin but I do not know what "weird" is in terms of meta. I did find her behavior objectively weirder in randomly nitpicking (to steal your word) on my joke post, and harp on others for it. Not sure if that makes her mafia, but at this point in time I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted, so I'll sheep "I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted", to me this means that he liked the reasons that Mocsta posted and agreed. However, in his above post, he said "His case made me think a bit more about rsoultin and then I put my reasons out in my filter". But the reason that he stated for voting rsoultin isn't at all what Mocsta said in his case. Also, On February 06 2018 14:11 Conversion wrote:
1) I never tried to get other people on rsoultin. I stated that in my head (whenever I voted her) that she was the best lynch at that time. What about this? On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town
df hot and cold
conv kinda poop soup
lynch koshi Hi ritoky what makes conv brown? his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. Thanks, hun. You want to commit to something? I'd be perfectly good with a rsoultin lynch right now, what about you? the last quote here is taken out of context for a "gotcha" moment in my eyes; when clearly if you read it in context (i would know it was directed at me) it does not mean what trfel is trying to make it mean. Eh, I don't really see the taken out of context point.
Can you explain how you don't see the taken out of context point? It was pretty clear.
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On February 06 2018 15:03 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 14:46 Mocsta wrote:Hi Trfel. Thanks for delivering one half of a shit sandwich lol  I wonder why you dont think they are related? I still comment on passive aggression. The anger/emotive component was removed as I didnt register it as strongly on a re-read. I wrote a wall of text because A - I wanted to walk people through how I reached my conclusion - which does not appear to be successful B - I decided to write a case because of the sum of the filter, not any one particular part. Regarding Point #2 = commenting on importance of raising discussion. This is of great significance to me as a gut feeling heuristic. Essentially, I have only played one game with town!rsoultin but I have tremendous respect, and thus, expectation for how she approaches the game. Perhaps as DF commented, it is simply too early; but I find point #2 in particular falls in the complete opposite flow of that expectation. P.S you are super town to me I understand better now. Thanks for clarifying. That thought process makes enough sense. That's fair. I am not super confident in rsoultin's alignment honestly, I slightly think she is town but could be wrong. I generally don't like to defend others though, would be interested to see what rsoultin says about it.
Kinda going to bed. Mocsta and ritoky probably town, partially for sharing my reads. Partially for Mocsta for having a thoughtful approach to the game, willing to share his thoughts and reconsider. Partially for ritoky for making good comments but not seeming to care a ton, I feel like he'd be much more involved as mafia. Holyflare is a town lean despite the fact that he could fool me even if I saw he received a mafia role pm  .
How did you end the night without having a followup conclusion on me? Are you still suspicious of me being mafia?
This is also weird play to me. You spent a majority of your time calling me inconsistent and pointing stuff out from my filter, but you couldn't be bothered to summarize that interaction?
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Town for now:
Mocsta
darthfoley
Tfrel
Conversion
rayn
Most are based on tone.
I cant be hold accountable for any of these reads and will change them if it fits my agenda.
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I think I will also call rsoultin leaning town. And that I will vote mderg.
mderg, prplhz and the 2 afks might contain 2 mafia. Let's hope the third does better.
##vote mdreg
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On February 06 2018 21:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 06:49 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 06:44 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:40 rsoultin wrote:
Let me rephrase so that this is easier to understand, then.
What does scum 'light' comment even mean? Sure thing. Means you said you were tempted to call rayn scum for reason XYZ Thats a weak phrase association. Hrnce. Light weight. Hence 'light' Lol >< Sounds like you already answered your own question, then, doesn't it? Yes, of course it's light. Joni has a tendency to scumread me for asinine reasons as town.Why are you asking me questions that you already know the answer to? And then adding shade on top of it? Then demanding that I answer like it's a real question? Because if there's a town reason for that, I'd love to hear it. I don't really understand this. You called him potentially mafia for calling you out for asinine reasoning but he does it as town?
No, I said he could be town for calling me out for asinine reasons. It's moot now, though. I think he's town.
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On February 06 2018 22:24 Conversion wrote:rsoultin go explain your lynch pool instead of doing whatever you’re doing. I’m in it and you most likely will have people on board— why is your filter just you arguing about minute details and defending yourself? Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 20:12 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 12:24 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 12:23 Trfel wrote:On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 12:07 Trfel wrote:
Conversion, I'm really confused by what you're saying about rsoultin. I may be misunderstanding your argument entirely, correct me if I'm wrong (posts 122-124), but you seem to be saying that one of the reasons you're willing to lynch rsoultin is that she randomly picked on your post and not the other joke posts at the time. Or what is going on here? Her nitpicky post just seemed pretty forced to try and make something out of obviously nothing. I see that more scum than town. On February 06 2018 06:52 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 06:45 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 06:37 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:36 mderg wrote:On February 06 2018 06:34 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 06:31 Holyflare wrote:
The fact is you can't be bothered because it isn't really important and is pretty irrelevant. Rayn makes a wall of text on it and it's overblown. There's a couple of reasons that spring to mind but there's nothing wrong with voting rayn in the meantime. a tually ita because i needed to piss and am goinf back to sleep lol But.. what yoy say is interesting. I will considee when i wake if a wall of text was deserving over a "ping" Going back to sleep is probably a good idea considering the way you write at the moment Bro-ski Nice joke but not very hipster of you Be that wanderer and tell me thoights on rsoultin please Was thinking nothing about her posts but that On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:
@Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange. I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though. actually sounds a bit bullshitty to me I am curious as to what part of her sharing her opinion on my obviously joke post on HF being Serial Killer sounds bullshitty In that case, why did you ask this question to mderg, if you agreed with his assessment? Because calling people's opinions bullshitty doesn't make sense in my head, and is also seemingly forced to try and look active? I don't get this line of questioning. I can ask people about their motivations even if I may agree with them Am I misunderstanding things or was your line of thought? I saw something strange about rsoultin -> mderg saw the same thing but worded it different than I would -> something's fishy Sort of like that. I just didn’t understand how her statemen was “bullshitty” but dropped it once you said it wasn’t the right word
This is how I roll, boyo.
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On February 06 2018 23:33 Conversion wrote:To be clear, rsoultin Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 18:48 rsoultin wrote:
I think I want to lynch into conv/rit/mderg today.
Not sure on mocsta...it's hard to tell with someone tunneled on you.
Rayn and truffle are town.
DF...I'm not sure. I see the issue truffle has with him, and it's part of why I'm reading truffle town, but I still think that tonally DF is kinda towny. Relaxed. Also, it doesn't really look like last game where he was scum.
What bugs me about ritoky most is he seems to have a decently strong reason to scumread conversion but isn't pursuing it. If conv ends up being scum, he probably is, too. Actually, he's probably scum anyway. I really don't get the focus on koshi over people who are actually scummy to him. You said this and then another page+ is you just pinpointing things that don't help you push your agenda. You poked ritoky a few times, that's about it. I didn't see you getting anything from that. Also Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 20:23 rsoultin wrote:On February 06 2018 20:20 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 06 2018 20:11 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 06 2018 20:00 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is the "half-town" read? that mocsta is town. it is pretty much purely on the heuristic that the highest activity player d1 is almost always town. because his obsession with his nothing-burger case does not inspire any further confidence in me about his alignment. so rsoultin and Trfel arent townreads after all? I mean if Mocsta is "half town" based on a shitty heuristic, i am quite sure you should consider your almost as shitty smiley read more convincing and Trfel is always town so i cannot understand why anyone should not read him as town as Mocsta in the first place. I don't understand the strength of HF read and i think it is BS but i concede to the point you could possibly maybe sometimes think so as town. i mean i was confident until you told me she got nailed for it last game, then i looked and it was kinda true; so i lost some confidence in it. i was banking on using the read i invented years ago to get a sneakster read, but it appears people still plagiarize my reads shamelessly. trfel took a quote out of context pretty bad, so he doesn't get to sit at the table anymore. I am sorry but i cannot tell if you are telling the truth or lying about it based on what you posted at the time you supposedly went to check this. Which was the post Trfel took out of context? this is the most honest game of mafia i have ever played. i haven't exaggerated anything, lied, or taken anything deliberately out of context yet. which is a wild deviation for me. On February 06 2018 14:20 Trfel wrote:I feel like Conversion is highly inconsistent. I'm not sold on him being mafia but I'm pretty suspicious. On February 06 2018 10:06 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 09:52 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 08:08 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 07:03 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 05:22 Conversion wrote:
He's actually home. I'm next to him and read his role PM and it said Serial Killer this is quite funny. See i thoight before you said YOU were sk I reread based on ya latest comment saying it was to HF. When i saw HF say hes "safe" i was drawn to assume SK as well lol
Unusual choice of words, inclusive of vet This is weird since that wasn't the conclusion I was drawing. Not sure why you are trying to conclude we thought the same thing. I just assumed safe meant "not mafia," so I just joked about it. Yeah OK. I think you are nitpicking/overreacting here with the distancing a bit much. But watevz. I still think the choice of "safe" is unusual, and when coupled with the how he interjected Rayn/rsoultin - in general I find it to be odd play. However, I am more curious if this is what you truly think is the most relevant part of the game to raise so far? Fair point on me being nitpicky. That's just how I am. Also, agreed I was being lazy in not bringing up anything related to rsoultin but I do not know what "weird" is in terms of meta. I did find her behavior objectively weirder in randomly nitpicking (to steal your word) on my joke post, and harp on others for it. Not sure if that makes her mafia, but at this point in time I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted, so I'll sheep "I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted", to me this means that he liked the reasons that Mocsta posted and agreed. However, in his above post, he said "His case made me think a bit more about rsoultin and then I put my reasons out in my filter". But the reason that he stated for voting rsoultin isn't at all what Mocsta said in his case. Also, On February 06 2018 14:11 Conversion wrote:
1) I never tried to get other people on rsoultin. I stated that in my head (whenever I voted her) that she was the best lynch at that time. What about this? On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town
df hot and cold
conv kinda poop soup
lynch koshi Hi ritoky what makes conv brown? his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. Thanks, hun. You want to commit to something? I'd be perfectly good with a rsoultin lynch right now, what about you? the last quote here is taken out of context for a "gotcha" moment in my eyes; when clearly if you read it in context (i would know it was directed at me) it does not mean what trfel is trying to make it mean. Eh, I don't really see the taken out of context point. Can you explain how you don't see the taken out of context point? It was pretty clear.
Wait a second lol >< This looks like you just decided I was being 'nitpicky' and defensive and then realized that I was questioning a scumread and went oops! Better correct that! Must be a pain to claim I'm doing nothing about my reads and then notice that I am.
Here's a hint: read a couple posts down and you'll see I already answered your question. Guess you missed that in your skim as well?
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On February 06 2018 23:41 Koshi wrote:
Town for now:
Mocsta
darthfoley
Tfrel
Conversion
rayn
Most are based on tone.
I cant be hold accountable for any of these reads and will change them if it fits my agenda.
Can you explain Conversion? Because I think he just made up a read on me based on what he saw holyflare saying and then had to backtrack.
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Oh you're right I completely missed that.
Man I am not on the ball this game..
Thanks for the hint, although it was in the next page over, not couple of posts down. 
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On February 07 2018 00:07 Koshi wrote:
I think I will also call rsoultin leaning town. And that I will vote mderg.
mderg, prplhz and the 2 afks might contain 2 mafia. Let's hope the third does better.
##vote mdreg
I'm kinda okay with prp though. Why him?
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On February 07 2018 00:42 Conversion wrote:Oh you're right I completely missed that. Man I am not on the ball this game.. Thanks for the hint, although it was in the next page over, not couple of posts down.
Nothing you've posted since your return makes it look like you actually read before spouting off at the mouth.
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