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On February 08 2018 07:09 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 06:57 darthfoley wrote:On February 08 2018 06:53 disformation wrote:
possible that scum was commited on a wagon and couldnt figure out how to switch without looking bad. indeed mderg (5):: ritoky, Mocsta, trfel, Koshi, Holyflare rsoultin (4): Conversion, darthfoley, raynpelikoneet, Damdred Trfel (1): prplhz darthfoley (2): mderg, rsoultin Not Voting (1): Rels ritoky as explained. trfel did some waffling, so he could have made it onto either wagon imo. koshi's eod seems to make sense. holyflare as explained. prplhz didnt give a fuck. so prolly not him either. conv did some waffling, so he could have switched too. rest i need to look at again This is a weird way to do VCA.. where are the people who left wagons?
On February 08 2018 05:02 Skynx wrote:Day One Final Vote Count mderg (5):: Koshi, ritoky, Mocsta, rsoultin, trfel, Koshi, Holyflarersoultin (4): Mocsta, Conversion, Trfel, darthfoley, mderg, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, Damdred Koshi (1): Holyflare, Trfel Trfel (1): prplhz darthfoley (2): raynpelikoneet, mderg, rsoultin prplhz (1):: Koshi, rsoultin Conversion (0): rsoultinHolyflare (0): mdergritoky (0): rsoultinNot Voting (1): Rels Much more useful.
I thought Damdred hammered mderg before.
and I thought HF was green long before hammer.
This is my biased VCA based on reads I had before the lynch.
Rsoultin voting looks TERRIBLE. accuses me of throwing spaghetti to see what sticks, but this appears to be the epitomy.
Its actually possible that scum is {mderg, rsoultin, Rels} lol....
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On February 08 2018 07:30 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 07:22 darthfoley wrote:On February 08 2018 07:19 disformation wrote:
something def is weird.
there were too many ppl who at some point had both rsoultin and mderg in their scum list or "i could vote for either". or were waffling between the too.
not necessarily scummy. i would have prolly waffled like a mofo as well.
but i guess at least:
trfel, Mocsta, Conversion, Damdred
could prolly have voted for either.
(havent checked everyone yet,) tbf i also said i was fine with either, but more confident on rsoultin considering the pressure was starting to fall away from her (in the weird, apathetic, way you've described) that whole wagon was weird. eod too. which is why i thought it was tvt. like it picked up fairly fast like (i partly blame that nothing else was really going on) and then went to a point where it was kinda meh, but nobody wanted to do anything. then came mdergs bad list and ppl were starting to hop onto that. then there was a bit of waffling and/or ppl not caring between either. at some point ppl decided on which side they wanted to be. partly because no good/big third idea came. then BOTH dont vote to save themselves. like really didnt expect a scum flip out of that one. though i guess the logical conclusions are indeed: a) both wagons scum b) scum had 0 thread presence i guess it is not impossible that someone bussed really hard for really no reason? but imo the whole building up of that wagon doesnt really feel like that? I dont think so. The only people that could have bussed a scum!rsoultin is me + rayn.
I never backed down from rsoultin because I thougth she was town. i backed down because I acknowledged she was put in a position that didnt allow her to show town colours. i.e. damned if you, damned if you dont.
Rayn, I just dont understand why he would follow up again on rsoultin if both are scum. There was no legitimate need.
I think its highly unlikely both of us bussed.
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On February 08 2018 08:04 Koshi wrote:
The lynch pool for tomorrow is always rayn/damdred/conversion.
The vigi should shoot into rayn/damdred
The cop shoot investigate into rayn/damdred/rsoultin/conversion (btw if you are cop there is a miller, don't claim d2 or I murder you)
The doc should save me. But he wont. Cuz that is how life goes. thats interesting actually.
framer probably makes it unlikely that there is a godfather. but to compensate, a miller could make a lot of sense.
If so, well played Koshi. Last time I was self-aware miller, I claimed in first post. But you played it well. I have no doubt if you came up red that you are town.
im hesitant for vig to fire tonight on possibility of SK.
Could potentially lose 3 townies in 1 night.. I think risk is too high.
Its highly likely mafia still have an RB.. which is more valuable than framer because of SK and is probably rsoultin lololololol.. explains the immediate early day1 draw to SK insertion.
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On February 08 2018 08:08 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 08:02 Koshi wrote:On February 08 2018 07:58 disformation wrote:On February 08 2018 07:56 Koshi wrote:On February 08 2018 05:48 disformation wrote:On February 08 2018 05:43 disformation wrote:On February 07 2018 21:29 Conversion wrote:
I am awake and a lot has happened. I have glanced at new content, but will not post opinions and thoughts in case I miss something or make a mistake again until I am in front of a computer. It looks as if some people are moving away from a rsoultin lynch, could I get a quick summary of that? Besides Koshi, who is hard townreading rsoultin right now.
Also would like suggestions on who I should filter dive so I am not aimlessly diving people and wasting my time, if my thoughts would be valuable here.
@Mderg I need more from you. Your posts lack content, if you’re town. Where’s your head at for the rest of D1?
flagged for possible teammate interaction. aware you are both in thread and mderg isnt doing too hot? your waffles on mderg dont look too bad imo. i have more of an issue that you basically had no reads? like first 2 pages of your filter you only directly have a read on rsoultin then you add mderg and prpl to your scumpile. heavily implied strong tr on koshi though anecdote on that teammate interaction: i was once scum together with mderg (in onegu is the best host mafia part 2) and when i look at my filter that game, i see a lot of lines like: "Don't remember much of mderg, probably a bad sign. Need to look at this filter." "Prolly should look at kush again... and I nearly forgot to look at mdergs filter." "@mderg: has your view on grack and luna changed with the recent events? or still pro grack lynch and contra luna lynch?" soo... this might be super biased and slightly unfair, cause you are obviously not me... but my gut is calling you scum for that xD Yeah. I agree that Conversion looked helpless around EoD. Looked like he wanted something to happen but because nothing happened stayed on rsoultin. And I do feel like he was against the mderg lynch without saying it. Or maybe he said it. Forgot. On February 08 2018 07:41 Koshi wrote:On February 08 2018 07:39 disformation wrote:On February 08 2018 07:35 Koshi wrote:On February 08 2018 04:59 Holyflare wrote:
Most of my good feelings are also on mderg.
Conversion is bugging me. I like everything he says but it all looks like mafia speak too. Did some1 play my game for the brownies? dont think so. meant to ask. i wanted to, but I couldnt come up with a good answer. since the "known good" players were widely townread. if the answer is conversion (might be implied by the post you are quoting), did you see my stuff on him earlier? No. I just read up to the lynch. And the answer is conversion indeed. So many townreads. Even mderg townread him. Bad mafia always take over thread sentiment on teammates. huh. i might be conf. biasing and shit, but i even feel mderg's list entry on conversion is sligjhtly different than the others. with some others he is like "nah dunno" and here he spends the most text on a "pass for today". says he is super diconnected with the game and conversion is super not memorable, but the reads strongly resonate? conversion blasted mderg super hard for the list. but due to some light meta digging ends up back on rsoultin after all. Why is it for conversion different than others? lets see if i can explain. with the others he does kinda like this brief summary or is like "cant remember" what they did. with conversion he is like "i cant remember shit, but have to write stuff so i can give him a pass". imo there is just this disconnect between "not very memorable" and "resonate very well". bonus point: his trfel thing is also fairly focused on conversion. so he seems to be aware about stuff around conversion. does that make sense to you? Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 22:14 mderg wrote:
A good old summary post you all know and love.
Damdred: Nothing
ritoky: doesn't give a fuck, tone says town. Read on me kind of makes sense except I haven't been active or present enough to do anything. I've been really disconnected from the game, though
Mocsta: Feels different from last game, almost his whole game revolved around roultin at the start. Started being a bit more jumpy now. Not sure how that makes me feel.
darthfoley: Not liking his early scumread on Mocsta, for what I consider dumb reasons. Some omgus on Trfel, Rayn and Mocsta. Sounds very annoyed at some points. Could maybe see scum.
Rels: Nothing
Conversion: Didn't like him questioning me about this "bullshit" thing with rsoultin at first. his reasoning actually makes sense for a townie, though. his posts mostly don't seem very memorable but his points on rsoultin resonate really well with me. Gets a pass for now.
rsoultin: Her posts give of a much different feel from the last game. She's not this nice lady trying to get everyone involved and figure out their motives. She's much more aggressive in her questioning of people. Would lynch.
raynpelikoneet: don't know, honestly. His reads seem fine for the most part.
Koshi: Doesn't feel like the great multiple awards winning town hero Koshi. Seems like he wants to lynch 99% based on post count. Not to my liking.
Holyflare:
Trfel: Heavy focus on Conversion early on but then switched off him, not quite sure why. Like his pressure on koshi.
prplhz: No idea how to read him at this point: Im seeing a different layer.
(1) Conversion was rsoultin lynch choice prior
(2) His comments on conversion are about resonating with rsoultin.
ie. the commonality is not conversion, but instead, rsoultin!
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On February 08 2018 07:31 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 07:29 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2018 07:26 Koshi wrote:On February 08 2018 04:44 rsoultin wrote:
I don't have a better vote than prplhz, and I'm not convinced on that either.
But I don't want to lynch mderg and I want to discuss darth foley with ritoky so yolo \o/ rsoultin why was he not mafia? I understand this is a shit question because he was mafia but I dont understand where this comes from. I never would have thought that you would leave the wagon. Why didnt you trust me? Town rsoultin would I think. We talked and bonded. Town rsoultin saw her counterwagon who was being lynched voting someone else at EOD. Town rsoultin couldn't fathom how that would come from scum. I do my own thing when I have strong reads (even wrong ones as it turns out), and always have. k. Mderg played "poor" but if you are town he made you look so bad. wow... you are almost an autolynch. That being said. I have not seen a mafia look so incredible fucking horrible while a teammate was getting lynched. The "too scummy to be scum" heuristic is here in full force. VER: Too scummy to be scum is a terrible heuristic dont drink the cool-aid!
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On February 08 2018 08:20 disformation wrote:
hum? "but his points on rsoultin resonate very well with me".
still read it as "i really like his points on rsoultin" (implying he likes conversion and dislikes rsoultin)
so dont think (2) is true? I wrote poorly, apologies, as im jumping to a prediction/conclusion.
I view mderg as struggling to speak anything meaningful.
He has this stupid vague list post, yet, can agree about rsoultin.. how specific and peculiar?
my jumping conclusion (i.e assumption) is because he knows rsoultin is scum, so believes it.
apologies.
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On February 08 2018 08:34 darthfoley wrote:
At least I can put aside my paranoia on Mocsta for a couple of days <3
I will treat this as a compliment.
ok, i will stop shitting the thread with half-formed thoughts. time to read what happened from p35 onwards.
ciao
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On February 08 2018 08:37 Koshi wrote:
And rereading Conversion his filter it isn't that awesome. Thread sentiment just called him town for no reason I think. Tfrel put some pressure on him and he didn't look bad under it. That is true. well, i liked how he shut down trfel without overly shitting on him.
in hindsight, maybe a bad heuristic.
as mafia, you may want to shut down trfel WITHOUT pissing him off.. that way he backs off and digs elsewhere.
You would only want to shit on him, if you setting up to get him voted off.
hmmmmm, i also did like your conversion posts.
OK, i shall re-read him starting at null instead of town. You have successfully influenced me.
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On February 08 2018 08:40 Conversion wrote:
alright I give up. I’m AFK voting myself D2 and moving on.
gg gl town
kk
##bomb: Conversion
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On February 08 2018 08:42 Koshi wrote:
Damdred/rayn/Conversion.
They have nothing going for them.
Lynch into them tomorrow.
I would be surprised if there isn't a mafia on the mderg lynch though. Let's say it's ritoky (amagad I always pick ritoky). The sweet kred this guy got. Tell me why rsoultin wouldn't do that? So sweet. So yummy.
And then town!HF wouldn't change his vote because he couldn't be the hero. And town would look at HF. Shit like that.
rsoultin town. Believe it for 2 days.
On February 08 2018 05:02 Skynx wrote:Day One Final Vote Count mderg (5):: Koshi, ritoky, Mocsta, rsoultin, trfel, Koshi, Holyflare rsoultin (4): Mocsta, Conversion, Trfel, darthfoley, mderg, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, Damdred Koshi (1): Holyflare, TrfelTrfel (1): prplhz darthfoley (2): raynpelikoneet, mderg, rsoultin prplhz (1):: Koshi, rsoultin Conversion (0): rsoultinHolyflare (0): mdergritoky (0): rsoultinNot Voting (1): Rels mderg is the lynch.
I know. I said I would wait to read the vote buildup before posting, but when reviewing vote order, i realised your list of 3 candidates for tomorrow intersects with rsoultin.
The oddity sticking out to me is that if mafia all-ined on town!rsoultin (i..e if mderg swung a vote) he may have lived another day... I would have thought its worth it even for a town!rsoultin flip.
I mean what reward is there for not all-in'ing.. its the same outcome. wagon looks bad. So now lost a mafia for nothing.
I am not aware if mderg town read rsoultin formally to prevent his vote going there; but it seems unlikely based on the conversion discussiosn prior.
I suppose this supports the idea of mafia having 1 vote elsewhere. mderg may be likely. and im will check ritoky specifically whether he posted content post mderg-vote. Its possible it was an easy peace-out never expected to gain traction if he subsequently AFK'd.
just a tidbit i had to voice out.
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On February 08 2018 08:46 Damdred wrote:
Koshi you usually can read me pretty well, is it juat our disagrement about tinas alignment at this point?
@conversion baby boy come back and play. Do as your papa damdred says or you get the wood later. Not sure this means what I have interpreted. I suspect its the lesser intention lol. actually both are bad for different reasons.
me no likey
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On February 08 2018 03:47 Damdred wrote:
Well he wasnt doing the thing that makes him an easy townread when i was in thread anyway. After reading his later content he did a couple of the things so hes probably town. I cannot decipher whom this is related to?
I think the conversion (indirectly) applies to rsoultin question to prplhz about mderg:
On February 08 2018 03:40 rsoultin wrote:I don't want to lynch Truffle. You and Rels are mostly on the same level for me. So...meh. Why isn't mderg scum, prp? If so.. this is REALLY bad post for Damdred.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26910859
post in question
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FFS
It was Ritoky. One post in filter down.
Sorry
+ Show Spoiler +On February 08 2018 04:10 Damdred wrote: Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 03:55 rsoultin wrote:On February 08 2018 03:47 Damdred wrote:
Well he wasnt doing the thing that makes him an easy townread when i was in thread anyway. After reading his later content he did a couple of the things so hes probably town. What are those things? I mean, I think you've mentioned a meta read that you don't want to fully disclose (correct me if I'm wrong) but surely there's something you can point to that changed your mind? I cant go into to much detail or ritoky will change how he plays to mimic. He had a few posts that changed my mind about him. His last post about if we have to shenanigans onto him so be it etc., felt like a typical martyr ritoky post makes as town. That was the point where i really lost any doubt. As for initially he was a bit meh opening up and seemed lazy but I wasnt here for most of hia filter so was pretty early for me I think.
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thanks for the clarification lol.. i was thinking. man that is WEIRD.
im happy to burn a check on trfel actaully.
personally I think town, but i can accept people getting paranoia that he is this mastermind that we will never catch.
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On February 08 2018 09:57 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 09:01 Koshi wrote:
darthfoley betrayed me as well.
It has been well over a year a townread him correctly and fast when we are both town. But the love is not mutual. He calls me mafia sometimes and doesn't sheep me.
No love. I've had you as town for a while bud. If I turn out to be correct this game, I will believe that you have a meta read on me in the future  I vibed you town from first post. Do i get to have a meta read on you too <3
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BTW. thinking about it I bet my hat that Ritoky is town because of the mderg lynch.
The heuristic im using isnt related to his filter (which i havent dived). Rather, inmy boredom last game, i was reading recent TL games scum qt. I came across a recent game with Ritoky + Tubesock as scum.
It struck out to me because whilst I couldnt be bothered to read the game to see how Ritoky was playing, he was very motivational and forward planning in the scum qt. In short, he is fully aware of the game happenings and trys to stop his team members peacing out. The heuristic being that this is a personality thing, and something that is hard (naer on impossible) to switch off even if you are "disconnected" from the game.
In short, a scum!ritoky would not have let mderg be so disconnected this game - which led him to being caught in the first place.
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On February 08 2018 00:58 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 00:53 mderg wrote:On February 08 2018 00:14 Trfel wrote:
@Conversion, fair enough, I see that.
Personally I'm not a fan of his read progression on rsoultin. Feels like he goes from nothing to serial killer post was exaggerated to I see some of Mocsta's stuff (but the quality/accuracy of the read doesn't make me townread Mocsta) to passive-aggressiveness to not town rsoultin. Feels like following thread sentiment without adding much.
The Mocsta thing really sticks out to me. Did mderg agree with Mocsta's case? It seems like he did, since he was saying that he was seeing it and the biggest reasons he (mderg) is suspicious of rsoultin for are in it. But his own read on Mocsta is that he (Mocsta) is town because of being focused instead of jumping around. Nothing at all to do with Mocsta's suspicions of rsoultin that mderg himself seems to agree with strongly enough to vote.
Does anyone else see that?
@Koshi, I see what you're saying now. I guess I don't expect everyone to solve the game by POE, I know that I don't. Not opposed to the rest of what you're saying though. Thanks for explaining your prplhz/mderg thing earlier, by the way, that really helped. I had missed rsoultin asking for your prplhz read. rsoultin read progression was something like: didn't like the serial killer post to rsoultin feels passive-aggressive, so doesn't look like town rsoultin. I guess that's pretty close to thread sentiment but I've never claimed that I didn't sheep. My townread on Mocsta is largely based on his rsoultin case. I think that says enough. The last sentence, I don't see that at all in your filter. You've said that your townread on Mocsta is due to staying focused and not jumping around like he did last game as mafia. Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 20:53 mderg wrote:On February 07 2018 08:47 darthfoley wrote:On February 06 2018 20:25 mderg wrote:
Mocsta seems townie based on the fact that he kind of seems to know where he's going this game. I'd really like mderg to expand on this point because tbh I have no idea where Mocsta is going outside of his rsoultin read. Pretty much everything early on revolved around his scumread on rsoultin and his desire to get her lynched. Last game it felt like he latched onto every other case without any focus on who he actually voted or wanted to lynch. To me this doesn't say anything about what you think about his case/read on rsoultin itself, it talks about the way he's pushing (focused, with direction vs opportunistic, pushing everyone). Still listening if I am missing something though. Heading out for class, voting mderg for now. The above seems very inconsistent. Mderg also doesn't seem to care if people are making reads and sharing thoughts that he agrees with; it doesn't affect his read on the person who posted the thoughts at all. Koshi, you are too paranoid about trfel.
If this is a bus. fuck me. not only is it award worthy play, but im happy to lose the game.
THERE WAS NO NEED TO FORCE A VOTE ONTO MDERG AT THIS POINT (if you think rsoultin is town); and the logic is absolutely ON POINT.
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im happy with conversion to be #1 lynch candidate on Day2.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26910638
I find the mderg progression very scummy.
"@Mderg I need more from you. Your posts lack content, if you’re town. Where’s your head at for the rest of D1?"
Why this specific afk for a call out?
"shits on the list post"
"baits a mderg vote COUPLED WITH A PRPLHZ VOTE"
This in particular is scummy as whilst he has called for lower activity players. This is his first direct mention of prplhz who had some thread sentiment comments at the time => prplhz is a dangling carrot to move beyond mderg
"reverses read on list post for meta"
Damdred found it similar too, so i wont give this scum points.
"weighs out rsoultin / mderg"
Really bad post. www.teamliquid.net
Doesnt like mderg IN GAME CONTENT, but waives it due to similarity to his last town game.
See an appreciable difference in Rsoultin for INGAME CONTENT, but not enough to unvote.
As a nice cherry, the "different nature showing" is probably desperation to avoid a framer lynch.
Yep, no CONVERSION on this read.
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shitty heuristic, but that clears rsoultin and prplhz for me
This is where im at:
town
ritoky
darthfoley
rsoultin
koshi
holyflare
trfel
prplhz
mafia possibilities
conversion
damdred
raynpelikoneet
unknown (i.e. havent read a single post)
disinformation
LOL. i just realised this 1:1 mindmelds with Koshi. awesome. GG.
between damdred/rayn/disinformation.. im happy for a gut feel on rayn as 3rd option.
to answer your question before darth abotu why i felt uncomfortable about ppl following me on rsoultin for not my reason, it was because of a post from rayn that said everything i said is correct but not mafia indicative, and then was piling on more pressure on rsoultin for what i did not consider a deviation from my points. It made me think i was turning into a patsy.. (this didnt line up with the dichotomy you presented, which is why i said i didnt agre with your conclusion).
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what happened to being this nitpicky fellow?
The answer of you being town is already evident in our lynch pool which exceeds 2 lolololol.
As for the dirty dirty WIFOM you want to throw.. well.
You're pinned by how you didnt want to vote mderg.
Whether mafia or SK, i dont really care.
I intentionally wrote with an apostrophe so you didnt have to get nitpicky fretted.
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