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On February 07 2018 08:21 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 08:18 Mocsta wrote:On February 07 2018 08:12 darthfoley wrote:On February 07 2018 08:08 ritoky wrote:
df what made you go from liking rayn to not liking rayn? I started to think about how his comparison of my last game (I was scum) and this game is not accurate. He followed closely in the obs last game and I believe the points he made in this game about me were wrong. There have also been many whisperings of scum DF so it's the type of read I could see a mafia making to blend in with the crowd and see if it's worth pursuing later. Plus he wrote a fucking essay on rsoultin saying like two sentences. See my Mocsta irritation LOL I dont think you are playing like last game. However, I also find you are less globally transparent than your recent town games in the database. What I continue to not understand is: You think I am scum for Reasons XYZ. Are you not concerned that it has been me suggesting you are not scum - for being comfortable in the spotlight? The way you talk about me, at the very least, I would expect you to latch onto this stuff. Talking about Rayn's read on me, not yours. Your question suggests that mafia never white knight someone. You defending me has no alignment indication, especially when 3-4 people have floated my name. This is my problem with you this game, if you are town.
You take anything from my filter, and construe it into the worst-possible outcome.
Why does it have to be so black and white?
Im really perplexed by this.
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Minor stream of consciousness incoming.
I am in the process of re-evaluating where my Day1 vote should go.
Maintaining on rsoultin pros:
1 - I expected her to brush off the case - but attempt to discern my motive further. Instead, IIRC she called me scum and then town for an absolutely stupid reaction test reason.
2 - The wagon hasnt picked up that much traction - which is a good Day1 heuristic to me. Mafia try to resist unfavourable wagons. At this point, Conversion is not a wagon.
Maintaining rsoultin cons:
1 - Ironically, that people are starting to see her as scum (for the same fucking reasons I posted). This makes me twitchy.
2 - I do need to give more credit that early game it is hard to work with people to illuminate reads. That component of my case should be reconsidered.
Some short thoughts on people with ritoky scale
Damdred: -5. I am considering him the best Day1 lynch option.
mderg: -2. subject to a meta dive. I never thought he was sitting in the background being a sheep last game. I dont have that vibe association with him this game.
df: +1 on ritoky scale (and continuing to drop as he continues his rigid thinking)
rsoultin: need to re-read game to confirm position.
conversion: I do see a general lack of care, but i dont see it mafia focused either - and nothing to do with rsoultin. I just dont think mafia would be so blatant about glossing over filters etc.. I am really inclined to default to SK.
other people I dont have a direct concern about at this point.
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On February 07 2018 08:49 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 08:36 Mocsta wrote:
Minor stream of consciousness incoming.
I am in the process of re-evaluating where my Day1 vote should go.
Maintaining on rsoultin pros:
1 - I expected her to brush off the case - but attempt to discern my motive further. Instead, IIRC she called me scum and then town for an absolutely stupid reaction test reason.
2 - The wagon hasnt picked up that much traction - which is a good Day1 heuristic to me. Mafia try to resist unfavourable wagons. At this point, Conversion is not a wagon.
Maintaining rsoultin cons:
1 - Ironically, that people are starting to see her as scum (for the same fucking reasons I posted). This makes me twitchy.
2 - I do need to give more credit that early game it is hard to work with people to illuminate reads. That component of my case should be reconsidered.
Some short thoughts on people with ritoky scale
Damdred: -5. I am considering him the best Day1 lynch option.
mderg: -2. subject to a meta dive. I never thought he was sitting in the background being a sheep last game. I dont have that vibe association with him this game.
df: +1 on ritoky scale (and continuing to drop as he continues his rigid thinking)
rsoultin: need to re-read game to confirm position.
conversion: I do see a general lack of care, but i dont see it mafia focused either - and nothing to do with rsoultin. I just dont think mafia would be so blatant about glossing over filters etc.. I am really inclined to default to SK.
other people I dont have a direct concern about at this point. So you're now saying that "1 post" Damdred is the best lynch option after going after rsoultin hardcore all day phase? Now that reminds me of Mocsta vs. darthfoley last game Again. why jump to worst-conclusions.
Im saying im considering it because I dont like people are joining me on rsoultin for my reasons - but treating it as their own.
The fact that multiple people are doing it, is the only thing that makes me comfortable (as in it indicates i communicated very poorly, vs. malicious intent).
Pray tell me though.
Do you see anything towny about damdred so far?
Flu or not.
Very delayed response that says extermely little. Even his first post last game was better.
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On February 07 2018 08:28 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 08:23 Mocsta wrote:On February 07 2018 08:21 darthfoley wrote:On February 07 2018 08:18 Mocsta wrote:On February 07 2018 08:12 darthfoley wrote:On February 07 2018 08:08 ritoky wrote:
df what made you go from liking rayn to not liking rayn? I started to think about how his comparison of my last game (I was scum) and this game is not accurate. He followed closely in the obs last game and I believe the points he made in this game about me were wrong. There have also been many whisperings of scum DF so it's the type of read I could see a mafia making to blend in with the crowd and see if it's worth pursuing later. Plus he wrote a fucking essay on rsoultin saying like two sentences. See my Mocsta irritation LOL I dont think you are playing like last game. However, I also find you are less globally transparent than your recent town games in the database. What I continue to not understand is: You think I am scum for Reasons XYZ. Are you not concerned that it has been me suggesting you are not scum - for being comfortable in the spotlight? The way you talk about me, at the very least, I would expect you to latch onto this stuff. Talking about Rayn's read on me, not yours. Your question suggests that mafia never white knight someone. You defending me has no alignment indication, especially when 3-4 people have floated my name. This is my problem with you this game, if you are town. You take anything from my filter, and construe it into the worst-possible outcome. Why does it have to be so black and white? Im really perplexed by this. I am confused....isn't the reason he doesn't like you because he feels you made a mountain out of a mole hill and basically made an unnecessary wall of text trying to enforce a felony for what he felt was a misdemeanor? How exactly is that filter manipulation? Hes commenting beyond the "wall of text"
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On February 07 2018 09:10 ritoky wrote:
Hey mocsta, I have a great question for you. Since you haven't rescinded the whole bomb thing I don't think....why are you voting rsoul? In your eyes she gonna die anyways right? i can rescind 1min before deadline.
5 votes now, doesnt mean 5 votes @ deadline.
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On February 07 2018 08:59 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 08:54 Mocsta wrote:On February 07 2018 08:49 darthfoley wrote:On February 07 2018 08:36 Mocsta wrote:
Minor stream of consciousness incoming.
I am in the process of re-evaluating where my Day1 vote should go.
Maintaining on rsoultin pros:
1 - I expected her to brush off the case - but attempt to discern my motive further. Instead, IIRC she called me scum and then town for an absolutely stupid reaction test reason.
2 - The wagon hasnt picked up that much traction - which is a good Day1 heuristic to me. Mafia try to resist unfavourable wagons. At this point, Conversion is not a wagon.
Maintaining rsoultin cons:
1 - Ironically, that people are starting to see her as scum (for the same fucking reasons I posted). This makes me twitchy.
2 - I do need to give more credit that early game it is hard to work with people to illuminate reads. That component of my case should be reconsidered.
Some short thoughts on people with ritoky scale
Damdred: -5. I am considering him the best Day1 lynch option.
mderg: -2. subject to a meta dive. I never thought he was sitting in the background being a sheep last game. I dont have that vibe association with him this game.
df: +1 on ritoky scale (and continuing to drop as he continues his rigid thinking)
rsoultin: need to re-read game to confirm position.
conversion: I do see a general lack of care, but i dont see it mafia focused either - and nothing to do with rsoultin. I just dont think mafia would be so blatant about glossing over filters etc.. I am really inclined to default to SK.
other people I dont have a direct concern about at this point. So you're now saying that "1 post" Damdred is the best lynch option after going after rsoultin hardcore all day phase? Now that reminds me of Mocsta vs. darthfoley last game Again. why jump to worst-conclusions. Im saying im considering it because I dont like people are joining me on rsoultin for my reasons - but treating it as their own.The fact that multiple people are doing it, is the only thing that makes me comfortable (as in it indicates i communicated very poorly, vs. malicious intent). Pray tell me though. Do you see anything towny about damdred so far? Flu or not. Very delayed response that says extermely little. Even his first post last game was better. I'm not jumping to worst conclusions. I just don't see why you decide Damdred is the best lynch, but Rels, for example, isn't. Or prplhz or Mderg. Do you see anything town about Rels so far? Damdred was lynchbait last game and I haven't seen anything incriminating from him. Regarding the bold. I'm not sure I understand... you're paranoid that other people are joining you on rsoultin but trying to claim credit for your reasoning. So... 1) When rsoultin flips mafia, you don't look as good? 2) When rsoultin flips town... they look worse? I don't understand the motivation for mafia to join a wagon on town!rsoultin but try to steal the credit for the mislynch. Why make themselves look worse when they could just take the easy route and blame you? I didnt even know Rels was in this game lol.
DF is really salty, and I was treating that as enjoying spotlight, but perhaps is just bitter prick about being scum twice in a row.
You are continuing to misconstrue everything I say. I havent decided Damdred is the best lynch.
hmmmm, im starting to see rsoultin/damdred/df team with conversion as SK.
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On February 07 2018 09:42 Holyflare wrote:
Literally says normal in the thread title. Maybe should have read that. LOL.. didnt realise that either.
##Disarm: rsoultin
lololol
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On February 07 2018 09:30 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 09:26 Mocsta wrote:On February 07 2018 08:59 darthfoley wrote:On February 07 2018 08:54 Mocsta wrote:On February 07 2018 08:49 darthfoley wrote:On February 07 2018 08:36 Mocsta wrote:
Minor stream of consciousness incoming.
I am in the process of re-evaluating where my Day1 vote should go.
Maintaining on rsoultin pros:
1 - I expected her to brush off the case - but attempt to discern my motive further. Instead, IIRC she called me scum and then town for an absolutely stupid reaction test reason.
2 - The wagon hasnt picked up that much traction - which is a good Day1 heuristic to me. Mafia try to resist unfavourable wagons. At this point, Conversion is not a wagon.
Maintaining rsoultin cons:
1 - Ironically, that people are starting to see her as scum (for the same fucking reasons I posted). This makes me twitchy.
2 - I do need to give more credit that early game it is hard to work with people to illuminate reads. That component of my case should be reconsidered.
Some short thoughts on people with ritoky scale
Damdred: -5. I am considering him the best Day1 lynch option.
mderg: -2. subject to a meta dive. I never thought he was sitting in the background being a sheep last game. I dont have that vibe association with him this game.
df: +1 on ritoky scale (and continuing to drop as he continues his rigid thinking)
rsoultin: need to re-read game to confirm position.
conversion: I do see a general lack of care, but i dont see it mafia focused either - and nothing to do with rsoultin. I just dont think mafia would be so blatant about glossing over filters etc.. I am really inclined to default to SK.
other people I dont have a direct concern about at this point. So you're now saying that "1 post" Damdred is the best lynch option after going after rsoultin hardcore all day phase? Now that reminds me of Mocsta vs. darthfoley last game Again. why jump to worst-conclusions. Im saying im considering it because I dont like people are joining me on rsoultin for my reasons - but treating it as their own.The fact that multiple people are doing it, is the only thing that makes me comfortable (as in it indicates i communicated very poorly, vs. malicious intent). Pray tell me though. Do you see anything towny about damdred so far? Flu or not. Very delayed response that says extermely little. Even his first post last game was better. I'm not jumping to worst conclusions. I just don't see why you decide Damdred is the best lynch, but Rels, for example, isn't. Or prplhz or Mderg. Do you see anything town about Rels so far? Damdred was lynchbait last game and I haven't seen anything incriminating from him. Regarding the bold. I'm not sure I understand... you're paranoid that other people are joining you on rsoultin but trying to claim credit for your reasoning. So... 1) When rsoultin flips mafia, you don't look as good? 2) When rsoultin flips town... they look worse? I don't understand the motivation for mafia to join a wagon on town!rsoultin but try to steal the credit for the mislynch. Why make themselves look worse when they could just take the easy route and blame you? I didnt even know Rels was in this game lol. DF is really salty, and I was treating that as enjoying spotlight, but perhaps is just bitter prick about being scum twice in a row. You are continuing to misconstrue everything I say. I havent decided Damdred is the best lynch. hmmmm, im starting to see rsoultin/damdred/df team with conversion as SK. I mean you literally write you are considering Damdred the best day 1 lynch. What I think you meant is you are considering whether he is the best day one lynch. Yes, insert "whether"
To me, both are the same; i.e. I havent drawn a definitive conclusion.
Anyways, going to ignore the now, and focus on a 3rd person re-read.
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DF:
I'm not jumping to worst conclusions. I just don't see why you decide Damdred is the best lynch, but Rels, for example, isn't. Or prplhz or Mderg.
Do you see anything town about Rels so far? Damdred was lynchbait last game and I haven't seen anything incriminating from him. I am curious why you lump (Damdred, prplhz, Rels, mderg) together, presumably as a log of 1-posters.
mderg doesnt belong in this category.
Rels doesnt belong in this category. His post is completely NAI, and any proposed lynch this way is a veiled policy lynch.
prplhz is playing within my expectation for either alignment.
Damdred remains by default.
DF:
Regarding the bold. I'm not sure I understand... you're paranoid that other people are joining you on rsoultin but trying to claim credit for your reasoning. So...
1) When rsoultin flips mafia, you don't look as good?
2) When rsoultin flips town... they look worse?
I don't understand the motivation for mafia to join a wagon on town!rsoultin but try to steal the credit for the mislynch. Why make themselves look worse when they could just take the easy route and blame you? I don't care whom claims credit, I more care the points are a direct re-hash.
I dont agree with your dichotomy.
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On February 06 2018 23:13 prplhz wrote:I town read ritoky because our reads sort of overlap as well as their timing. I don't like Trfel but I guess I'm the only one. His play seems kind of sideliney and too cautious, everybody agreeing with him seems to calm him down rather than fire him up. Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 12:46 Trfel wrote:
Ritoky, may I ask why you're so confident in Holyflare being town?
I'm pretty sure I see what you're getting at but Holflare tends to destroy hopes and dreams as mafia, I'm just curious as to how you're so confident so quickly.
Also, how serious is your read on Koshi? I also don't like this question about Koshi because ritoky's read on Koshi was obviously based one just one single post with no real content, of course it wasn't serious or anything. Not reading too much into the rsoultin/raynpelikoneet thing. For now they're both town. so ritoky is town because he shares similar reads and timing; but trfel you dont like?
Did you know trfel indicated ritoky is town because they also shared similar reads at similar points in time?
It appears you are aware of this because you add the tidbit about trfel should be firing up.
I would like to know what about trfel indicates he should fire up - because everything you are stating indicates trfel/ritoky should both be town.
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trfel
Why did you vote rsoultin?
You were leaning town yesterday?
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On February 07 2018 07:42 Trfel wrote:
Could lynch rsoultin, darthfoley, maybe Koshi. Darthfoley has been extremely underwhelming but I don't think that makes him mafia; more concerned that he is suspicious and willing to lynch a ton of people and it doesn't look like he's thinking about it at all.
With Koshi, I don't like how he's voting for mderg but hasn't said any reason why. He did however say why he doesn't like prplhz (which pending explanation I don't think was a good reason). If he wants to lynch mderg, why wouldn't he explain why? Or if he is suspicious enough of prplhz to explain it, why doesn't he vote for him?
In addition, he went from leaning town to green, bold town on rsoultin for seemingly no reason. The reasons he gave to fully townread rsoultin were present from the very start of the game, when Koshi left rsoultin out of his first set of townreads and only later made her even a town lean. Rsoultin didn't say much at all in between these posts, certainly little to warrant a read switch like that.
But I know that it's Koshi. What do others think about him? Like.. what you are slamming Koshi for, is just as applicable to you..
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On February 06 2018 15:00 Conversion wrote:
Right, but making arguments such as "Conversion is trying to get others to vote for rsoultin," and then quoting something that isn't clearly me trying to get others to pile on to rsoultin is just that. I'm not mad or frustrated, I just don't get why it goes from good point about something -> far fetched argument, saying I'm inconsistent in saying that I wasn't trying to get others to vote rsoultin when I really wasn't.
I'm going to get some sleep anyways. I want to see what others have to say.
Ending the night with decent confidence in you and Mocsta being town isn't bad for me at all. I have read this trfel/conversion exchange a few times and think both are town (possibly conversion moreso than trfel).
I agree trfel overplayed that point.
(However, this is only applicable to trfel who at this point is coming across as a super-deep analytical player whom should know better).
The way conversion handled it by pointing it out but not shitting on trfel is what makes me feel good about the exchange.
TLDR: I think a mafia conversion that is town reading trfel would simply answer the question.
& conversion odd filter comments could legitimately be tiredness. Heck as mafia i dont check my filter, so perhaps its more a personality thing than alignment thing.
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On February 07 2018 13:52 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 09:31 Holyflare wrote:
Also I'm officially at peak this wagon is going too fast levels. Nothing from rsoultin, no one really pushing anything else... @Mocsta, I was slightly town on rsoultin, as seen here. I was convinced by Conversion's reasoning, what he said made a lot of sense to me. Koshi posted his new read change with old reasoning from the start of the game. To me that's suspicious. You can think of me what you want, I'm just curious what you think of Koshi. This type of comment makes me paranoid as it seems very preemptive.
I pinged you about rsoultin because you "snuck" a vote in, but nothing was stated in thread.
I cant recall anythign Koshi has posted other than some old filters I ignored.
Will update opinion once I conclude re-read.
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trfel, i will get back to you tonight on those reads - i havent had the time at work today i was intending.
I want to ask you some more questions, but im concerned they are already answered in the thread (e.g. i didnt realise conversion made addition points about rsoultin as you ?alluded? before)
However, I am immediately curious about your position conversion.
Yesterday he was a scum lean.
Today, I assume you changed your mind because of his rsoultin rationale. And voted rsoultin.
NOW, you have unvoted rsoultin; how does that influence the read on conversion?
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On February 06 2018 16:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta, while your case is essentially all correct i do not think that in general makes anyone mafia. At least all the points. However since you haven't played that much with Tina it makes sense you make a case like that. The point i find most damning about her is that the argument is towards me. I specifically asked for Damdred because he is one of the players who can actually understand the following point.
The feeling i get from rsoultin's posts is that he is trying to downplay me, for a reason i don't understand at all. Especially the comments "You were unable to leave it alone" and "lacking a sense of humor" make me feel like she thinks i am stupid or something, when in fact i asked a perfectly reasonable (and correctly predicted -- i mean in a sense that she DID have a point) question. But when the answer finally came i should have let it go earlier (why?) or learn some humor (why? it wasn't a joke). The real problem isn't her saying so, it is her saying so towards a player she herself claims calls her mafia for stupid reasons when she is town -- aka, if you felt like that you should never ever act this way towards the player because the end result is what you claim "always happens". What you should do, is that when that player interacts towards you you are precise in your answers to prevent that from happening. And that was not all she did, she even threw some gas into the flames by saying things that were not only incorrect but from my opinion only designed to irritate.
Damdred knows this, i believe he knows this from this exact point of view. Which is why i wanted his opinion. Damdred responded. However, you answered the question for him.
Are you satisfied?
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On February 06 2018 17:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also think Trfel is quite obviously town.
mderg is probably town too and giving it a bit more thought Conversion too. Now that you are online. i shall take advantage
how come?
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On February 06 2018 18:24 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2018 11:22 darthfoley wrote:
Mocsta's ability to turn a few simple points into a wall of test is astounding.
Is this how he plays as Town? Cuz this reminds me exactly of last game ^ This But not so much the wall of text thing. More the, Joni thinks she's scum, let me add my hipster reason to it. Though I could just be extra paranoid after townreading him all last game on clouds and rainbows. So actually not this. I think it's likely he just thinks that way and it's NAI, the walls of text in place of succinct. rsoultin, im starting to buy into this a bit.
but im confused what is actually hipster how about how i joined "rayn".
dare i say, i posted "scum right here" as i was reading thread. hence, before i saw rayn and you post.
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On February 07 2018 16:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
while mderg lacks a bit of enthusiasm he had last game i think the last game was best i have ever seen mderg play. Also i think he is focusing on the right things (aka rsoultin). you should read detention mafia scum game, or whatever its called.
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Look, the thing that is burning int he back of mind is.. could rsoultin be showing a "weak" day1 BECAUSE of the pressure sent her way..
i mean.. i find it hard to read darthfoley cos i feel everything is unwarranted.
If a lot of strong players are targettign rsoultin i think its very plausible to not have a strong follow up (as either alignment).
im still only halfway through my re-read, but im trying to ask myself that everytime i see her post and i do feel less strong about her compared to yesterday.
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