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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 13 2018 13:18 GMT
#2219
On February 11 2018 11:45 Mocsta wrote:
Its clicked for me

Darthfoley is last scum

Also explains trfel nk.
I treated him as pussy scum prior but this game he came in and rsoultin was already heat. So explains why therw is deviation in my expected play.

Few other things but thats all i can be bothered to write.

I think mocsta is mvp
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 13 2018 13:19 GMT
#2220
My gut also says df.

Goddamn. If it is df Mocsta is like best player ever.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 13 2018 13:20 GMT
#2223
You cant do that dumbass
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 13 2018 13:22 GMT
#2226
## unvote
##vote darthfoley


Anyway. I am going to vote df.
He fell off hard after d1 and when I read his filter a while back I had an aha! moment.

He played around rayns flip pretty good though. The only thing I can fault him is not going after rayn at all. But in this situation I guess rayn wouldnt lie anyway maybe. Like vt rayn claiming parity...
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 13 2018 13:24 GMT
#2228
On February 13 2018 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2018 22:18 Koshi wrote:
On February 11 2018 11:45 Mocsta wrote:
Its clicked for me

Darthfoley is last scum

Also explains trfel nk.
I treated him as pussy scum prior but this game he came in and rsoultin was already heat. So explains why therw is deviation in my expected play.

Few other things but thats all i can be bothered to write.

I think mocsta is mvp

I think that is a shit case.

It's not a case. It's him explaining why he defended df all game long.

I am just saying he ended on df before he died.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 13 2018 14:14 GMT
#2236
On February 13 2018 22:47 disformation wrote:
@koshi what happened to damdy and w0t w0s y0ur case on df agaiN? or solely your gut?

I probably already said things about df but I forgot.

Damdy I also said things about. I forgot if it were reasons that made him mafia or just illogical things.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 13 2018 15:41 GMT
#2260
On February 14 2018 00:38 Conversion wrote:
Koshi why do you have a 15 page filter.

Anyways, from half-reading it so far he's not done anything that you haven't done either, so why does that make him scum over you? Also, why would mafia!Koshi go for an all in play in trying to hard defense rsoultin like that? Why any mafia would do that is beyond me.

The only bad thing that was glaring from his filter was him zealously defending rsoultin and then suddenly saying he keeps a healthy amount of suspicion on her

The healthy suspicion was 1% btw.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 13 2018 15:44 GMT
#2263
Can people explain again why df isnt mafia? The good reasons.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 13 2018 15:55 GMT
#2276
I trust town to do the right thing today.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 13 2018 16:43 GMT
#2287
On February 14 2018 01:34 disformation wrote:
@koshi:
you df case is basically:
a) guts
b) that he didnt look like he wanted to figure out the riddle of dfs alignment
c) him falling off fairly hard
d) guts

right?

Sure. I know he is mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 13 2018 16:47 GMT
#2289
I ll go home soon and try to cook something up on df. I think EoD1 he also didnt give too many fucks about the lynch. He was there talking but not pushing one over another.

Maybe I am wtong but I will check it
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 13 2018 17:53 GMT
#2299
Well I am still pretty sure DF is mafia. I am glossing over his filter while eating and it is quite obvious to me.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 13 2018 18:01 GMT
#2301
I"ll do this in little parts while eating lasagna

On February 06 2018 07:00 darthfoley wrote:
I am here to say that I am confidently and graciously town

On February 06 2018 07:14 darthfoley wrote:
I would just like to say that I shamelessly agree with thread sentiment that rsoultin pointing out the SK thing in the way that she did is scummy

i generally skip past rayn's post because he takes four paragraphs to explain what could be explained in two sentences. public service announcement

The first 2 posts from darthfoley feel longwinded and bloated. He isn't in the moment playing the game, rather he takes an inactive role and just comments on things happening. The remark on rayn isn't helping anybody.
Imo these post are generally more likely to come from mafia than town.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 13 2018 18:11 GMT
#2302
I am not planning on commenting on every post he made but the next 3 are interesting as well.

On February 06 2018 07:15 darthfoley wrote:
Mocsta does not impress me so far

On February 06 2018 07:18 darthfoley wrote:
perhaps that's because he made like two posts about getting up and going back to bed that felt unnatural

On February 06 2018 11:22 darthfoley wrote:
Mocsta's ability to turn a few simple points into a wall of test is astounding.

Is this how he plays as Town? Cuz this reminds me exactly of last game


These 3 posts accumulate to nothing. df just played mafia together with Mocsta and again he just plays this on the sideways. There are 7(!) minutes between these posts. If you remove the middle post this looks fine except he doesn't pressure Mocsta. He asks the thread about something he should know best.

Like if df sees Mocsta play exactly like last time doesn't it more sense to say:
On February 06 2018 11:22 darthfoley wrote:
Mocsta's ability to turn a few simple points into a wall of test reminds me of last game in which he was mafia
Or does he do that as town as well?


The difference isn't big but how DF says it, it looks like the TMI kicks in and makes him go for Mocsta is town over Mocsta is mafia. Why not just mafia read mocsta?

And when confronted by Mocsta he just quotes himself unable to do more. It's his scumread pressuring him and he defends by just quoting himself:
On February 06 2018 11:31 darthfoley wrote:
Mocsta's ability to turn a few simple points into a wall of test is astounding.

Is this how he plays as Town? Cuz this reminds me exactly of last game



Really though time for DF to establish himself in this game. Why? He is confident as town.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 13 2018 18:16 GMT
#2303
On February 06 2018 11:48 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 11:39 Trfel wrote:
Hi. Darthfoley, what was about Mocsta's posts about going to bed that got to you so much? Doesn't have to be a long answer, I know you said they felt awkward but I'm not really seeing what you are at present.

I'll read Mocsta's case soon.


Basically if I were super tired and woke up to post, I would probably not make the second post with typos about going back to bed. For me, I would just be exhausted and fall asleep. The second post sounded like one of those "update on activity" posts mafia sometimes feel like they have to make



And when pressured by Tfrel he goes for the "joke" reason.
On February 06 2018 11:50 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 11:45 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 11:38 darthfoley wrote:
On February 06 2018 11:28 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 07:14 darthfoley wrote:
I would just like to say that I shamelessly agree with thread sentiment that rsoultin pointing out the SK thing in the way that she did is scummy

i generally skip past rayn's post because he takes four paragraphs to explain what could be explained in two sentences. public service announcement
More importantly; considering the bolb, what do you make of the interaction between rsoultin and I?


I don't think either of you look particularly townie, but she looks scummy. I kind of skip past lots of your wall of text posts.

Fwiw I think conversion's intro sounded kind of forced but the way rsoultin called it out seemed scummy. Like something opportunistic mafia might latch onto to have "something."

Waiting for half the game to play. I don't really have any Town reads yet
i dont understand how you can brush off what im writing: when you state i am possibly scum; and the person I am writing about looks scummy.

I dont have a problem if you think my "wall of text" is simple; but I would appreciate if you can highlight why that is so.


1. Rsoultin latched onto something opportunistic
2. She got defensive and pissy with questions to answer questions when called out
3. She hasn't really started snooping/being cocky yet (game is very young so this isn't a truly fair point)

On February 06 2018 11:50 darthfoley wrote:
See how succinct I made that post?

On February 06 2018 11:59 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 11:52 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 11:48 darthfoley wrote:
On February 06 2018 11:39 Trfel wrote:
Hi. Darthfoley, what was about Mocsta's posts about going to bed that got to you so much? Doesn't have to be a long answer, I know you said they felt awkward but I'm not really seeing what you are at present.

I'll read Mocsta's case soon.


Basically if I were super tired and woke up to post, I would probably not make the second post with typos about going back to bed. For me, I would just be exhausted and fall asleep. The second post sounded like one of those "update on activity" posts mafia sometimes feel like they have to make
This is peculiar reasoning as there are many reasons to explain what you observe. Im not sure why you are default latching onto worst-case option, in addition to not reading my content in detail.

Again.. why do you keep bringing up my previous game. What is actually similar to you?
You have slung shit, and now I would like you to back up the assertion.



Worst case scenario? Trfel asked me a question and I answered it briefly.

I haven't slung shit. I said you're reminding me of your recent scum game. I have stated why: your posts that are more than one paragraph are nitpicky and long winded for no reasons. Especially ironic considering you called Conversion nitpicky. This is why I asked if this is how you play town.

On February 06 2018 12:03 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 11:56 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 11:50 darthfoley wrote:
On February 06 2018 11:45 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 11:38 darthfoley wrote:
On February 06 2018 11:28 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 07:14 darthfoley wrote:
I would just like to say that I shamelessly agree with thread sentiment that rsoultin pointing out the SK thing in the way that she did is scummy

i generally skip past rayn's post because he takes four paragraphs to explain what could be explained in two sentences. public service announcement
More importantly; considering the bolb, what do you make of the interaction between rsoultin and I?


I don't think either of you look particularly townie, but she looks scummy. I kind of skip past lots of your wall of text posts.

Fwiw I think conversion's intro sounded kind of forced but the way rsoultin called it out seemed scummy. Like something opportunistic mafia might latch onto to have "something."

Waiting for half the game to play. I don't really have any Town reads yet
i dont understand how you can brush off what im writing: when you state i am possibly scum; and the person I am writing about looks scummy.

I dont have a problem if you think my "wall of text" is simple; but I would appreciate if you can highlight why that is so.


1. Rsoultin latched onto something opportunistic
2. She got defensive and pissy with questions to answer questions when called out
3. She hasn't really started snooping/being cocky yet (game is very young so this isn't a truly fair point)
I still dont understand.
On one hand rsoultin tells should not apply yet as game is young
On the other hand, mocsta tells apply because the game is young?

Again, you suggest mocsta and rsoultin are scummy.
You think the case is simple - is it intentionally flawed to bus; or accuse an innocent?


Could be either. I haven't decided yet. We're 12 hours in. Given our early debacle last game I would guess that you'd be less likely to throw shade at a partner early game, so that leads me to believe I'm wrong about one of you probably

On February 06 2018 12:03 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 11:59 Trfel wrote:
On February 06 2018 11:48 darthfoley wrote:
On February 06 2018 11:39 Trfel wrote:
Hi. Darthfoley, what was about Mocsta's posts about going to bed that got to you so much? Doesn't have to be a long answer, I know you said they felt awkward but I'm not really seeing what you are at present.

I'll read Mocsta's case soon.


Basically if I were super tired and woke up to post, I would probably not make the second post with typos about going back to bed. For me, I would just be exhausted and fall asleep. The second post sounded like one of those "update on activity" posts mafia sometimes feel like they have to make
You take this more seriously than Mocsta's drawing attention to rsoultin's comment about the serial killer?


No



Ok this sucks but these are all DF next posts. Pure defending against a scumread Mocsta. Also Tfrel entered the discussion.

Knowing that both Mocsta and Tfrel flipped town. We can assume that these town players pressured something they believed in. And I agree. This looks bad.

I wasn't here early game I think and I missed all this. I just skimmed and never read this properly because I saw 1 post I agreed with later and was stupid to take that to the bank.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 13 2018 18:22 GMT
#2304
On February 07 2018 04:40 darthfoley wrote:
I like conversion, prplhz and rayn

I do not like rsoultin, Trfel and Mocsta.

To be clear, I am not claiming that they are all mafia together. But I think there's one, maybe two mafia in that. All others are somewhere in the null category

Another big problem I have with DF is that he keeps scumreading Mocsta but I never read why. He never ever states why unless we are going with that joke reason.


This is why:
1) ScumDF attacks Mocsta with shitty reasoning.
2) Mocsta attacks scum!DF for that.
3) ScumDF defends against Mocsta and keeps Mocsta as a scumread. No reasons except for the fact they argued.

On February 07 2018 04:49 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 17:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If df doesn't wanna talk about rsoultin that could even be okay but it seems like he doesn't wanna talk about anything at all. Yes it seems like he is scumreading rsoultin rn, but i don't really feel like he actually wants to lynch rsoultin (aka same way Mocsta and DF scumread each other last game).


You're wrong about this btw. I have no problem talking about people, or reading cases that make sense and are succinct in their points. This includes rsoultin, who I think is probably scum.

What I don't like or appreciate are long winded and bloviating cases in which someone makes circuitous arguments that could easily be summed up insofar as people miss or completely lose the point said individual is trying to make with their roundabout way of posting.

I'm proud of that example btw ^.

Mocsta uses 500 words to make a point that could be made in 50. It is my right to completely skip past his post if I should choose. But that is not the same as refusing to engage with the thread about the main "event" of the day. His posting reminds me of Shapelog in which his mafia strategy revolves around confusing or boring people to death by making long ass posts. It's how I felt he played last game, and I see similar methods in this game.

Very good post by rayn and look why DF is scumreading Mocsta. It's just based on the fact "Mocsta types many words guys". There is nothing else behind it. Nothing smart. Nothing. Just "Mocsta bores people with words"

Read rayn his post. It is also a good point.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 13 2018 18:26 GMT
#2306
On February 08 2018 04:29 darthfoley wrote:
Current thoughts are something like this

Town
Conversion
Koshi
Rayn
Ritoky

prplhz
Damdred
Rels
HF

Trfel
Mocsta
rsoultin/mderg
Mafia

Fine with mderg/rsoultin lynch. I will note how thread sentiment has kind of awkwardly turned away from rsoultin while people are simultaneously covering their asses saying they don't mind if she dies. I will also note how Mocsta has followed pretty much the same formula from last game with his treatment of rsoultin

I don't like that I can't remember a single thing HF said. Not a good sign

His 2 biggest scumreads are the 2 mafia. The other 2 the players he argues the most with.
I rarely nail mafia this hard so fast. But DF does it without even talking about them. He just nails them while arguing and defending against Mocsta and Trfel.

Watch his filter. Nothing about mderg. NOTHING. (probably almost nothing but look at it)
A little bit about rsoultin but he is not talking to her.
He is not trying to convince the thread about these 2. He just nails the 2 flipped mafia.

And then Mocsta and Tfrel above that. Who were in my opinion very easy townreads.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 13 2018 18:27 GMT
#2307
On February 08 2018 04:32 darthfoley wrote:
I think rsoultin has put in a lot of effort but I think it's kinda NAI. Last game she ran shit and let people know what they were doing based off of her.

This game she is letting her play be attached to other variables too much for my liking. (e.g. not being down to lynch me based off of ritoky's read on me. I think i've played with ritoky like once or twice.)

For my science nerds out there: last game rsoultin's play was the independent variable; this game it feels like the dependent variable.

Called out on his list?
What a scumread...
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 13 2018 18:33 GMT
#2308
Ok. The flip came and df always thought rsoultin is mafia.
But look at the next 5 posts. Nothing indicates he lives in a world in which rsoultin is mafia.
He just does analysis based on the fact rsoultin is a 50/50.

rayn always kept believing rsoultin is mafia and should die.

On February 08 2018 05:10 darthfoley wrote:
If rsoultin is town, we're in good shape.

If rsoultin is mafia, we're in even better shape.




On February 08 2018 05:21 darthfoley wrote:
Mderg explanations:

1. rsoultin is roleblocker
2. mderg really thought he could pull a WIFOM into shenannie thing on me
3. he was just fucking around to create some paranoia after flip.

On February 08 2018 05:11 darthfoley wrote:
Mocsta and Koshi also look good because of the flip I think

On February 08 2018 05:13 darthfoley wrote:
Rayn/Damdred don't look very good tbh.

Rayn committed to df/rsoultin only when it's very close
Damdred votes rsoultin last minute when it's very close



BUT LOOK!!!!!
darthfoley believes rsoultin is mafia. Because the "somehow"

On February 08 2018 06:35 darthfoley wrote:
if somehow rsoultin is town, this game becomes a little spicy






Darthfoley is not making consistent posts. He is mafia and has major difficulties letting townie bias shine through!
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 13 2018 18:35 GMT
#2309
On February 08 2018 07:55 darthfoley wrote:
This lynch is weird because it makes rsoultin terrible but gives town cred to so many people.

wtf is this comment. Isn't scummy but weird. I don't get it.
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