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##vote Holyflare
Not gonna delay the inevitable
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I guess I shouldn't follow the general trend of making 1 or 2 posts and then disappearing into nothingness.
some minor townie points for rsoultin actually trying to play this game btw
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On January 18 2018 18:30 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 18:24 mderg wrote:
I guess I shouldn't follow the general trend of making 1 or 2 posts and then disappearing into nothingness.
some minor townie points for rsoultin actually trying to play this game btw Much as that just warms me up inside, I'm way more interested on your thoughts on just about anything else this game. (Also, this is post #2. You haven't broken the cycle yet.) I'm out. Better things to do than stalk a half-dead thread.
I'm disappointed in hf because the hf I know would be at 10 pages of filter right now.
Mocsta looks like a crazy person, doesn't tell me anything about his alignment. Maybe someone has some meta knowledge.
Everything else is a big ball of nothingness to me.
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weird as in scummy weird or just weird?
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Really liking Twat's first posts, seems very open about his thought process.
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On January 18 2018 21:56 Damerion wrote:
Good morning,
I have decided with careful conaideration that Damdred is scum over DarthFoley and Mocsta. Or at least that I would much rather lynch him over both and then reevaluate at that point.
But onto my main point, Damdred is an extremely meta based player and has used exactly 0 points of meta to make his reads this game.
He also is gòing about thw game in a way that is not typical of him, he generally town hunts and only goes after his scum reads day two instead of pushing early day one when he town hunts. He also usually goes off the beaten path and looks where others do not.
And look what he is doing here, he bases his scum read of DarthFoley off one post.
Also I have a slight meta read on Damdred on his word usuage, in that he uses certain words when explaining his reads and he does not use it in any of his posts.
I think Damdred is scum and you all should join me in voting him off.
##vote Damdred
Meh, I don't like reads that are 100% based on meta
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Damerion, any other reads than the one on Damdred?
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I'm really not sure what to make of this game... I don't have Damdred or Mocsta as scum right now.
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On January 18 2018 22:49 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 21:44 Damdred wrote:On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:25 Damdred wrote:On January 18 2018 21:20 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Hello! Mcosta Rico obviously has a post a bunch of unnecessary fluff. I don't like this. It feels he is trying to inject and clog up the discussion early on, so that later near the vote we don't have a solid lead. On January 18 2018 13:42 Mocsta wrote:On January 18 2018 12:07 darthfoley wrote:
hello comrades On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
who is this mocsta character.... Fear not, for I... am a comrade! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
... and why is he speaking so much? Because I can, Because I want to, Because I desire to... @DarthFoley: Why do you ask?On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. Wise words Kmatt. I want to start calling DarthFoley, AxelFoley... get it  + Show Spoiler +Beverly Hills Cop reference. For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal. However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico. Both above feel like mafia in their agenda. But I doubt they are together since it wouldn't make sense for Darthfoley as his team mate to do that. For now both are in my suspect pile until the game develops more. On the oppersite end, Mderg feels the most town. His posts are interacting with the discussion going on and feels like it's coming from a town perspective. Rusissan Rsoultin itch post doesn't get her town in my eyes, as the way she worded it allows her to back track more easily and generally feels like she is not committing to a read. The one's I bolded are the ones Im talking about. On January 18 2018 15:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not a jimmy hendrix fan i gather?
purple haze bruh
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? Nope, missed that reference entirely. I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. So many itches. A holyflare who says hi and scrams when he's at the centre of attention. Though it is late and joke votes obvious, still an itch.Rels hi itchy for similar reasons but less itchy when not center of attention.Darthfoley passive aggression at someone eager to participate ??? (In retrospect this bugs me most at present) Prplhz just needs to be swatted with a newspaper. Mild itchiness with an eager Damdred not being around for game start, but then, it's Damdred; he could have fallen down a set of stairs @.@I hate phone posting  Lazy rsoul should just get on her pc. And yes, itchiness is like a mild form of scummy in case that's not clear. Maybe more accurate to put it as it rubs me wrong and makes me suspicious. QQ phone posting is hard Why doesn't it make sense that they could be scum together (mocsta and DF), they have no real interactions together (yet). Also the comments could be distancing obviously so it does make moderate sense. But still a bit much to make a decision either way I suppose. But both are scummy Lol, as and you shall be given. I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it. If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way. If that makes sense. But would DF of thought he would of drawn that much attention to Moc? I don't think so necessarily, its a weak entry for DF in any game, he has little follow through (as he really hasn't posted) so its a bit weak anyway. But id be happy just lynching moc today anyway.As for BTDT, mostly its just a gut feeling and I agreed with his insight so he can be an ally for today. QUOTE] On January 18 2018 22:02 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 21:56 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:44 Damdred wrote:On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:25 Damdred wrote:On January 18 2018 21:20 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Hello! Mcosta Rico obviously has a post a bunch of unnecessary fluff. I don't like this. It feels he is trying to inject and clog up the discussion early on, so that later near the vote we don't have a solid lead. On January 18 2018 13:42 Mocsta wrote:On January 18 2018 12:07 darthfoley wrote:
hello comrades On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
who is this mocsta character.... Fear not, for I... am a comrade! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
... and why is he speaking so much? Because I can, Because I want to, Because I desire to... @DarthFoley: Why do you ask?On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. Wise words Kmatt. I want to start calling DarthFoley, AxelFoley... get it + Show Spoiler +Beverly Hills Cop reference. For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal. However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico. Both above feel like mafia in their agenda. But I doubt they are together since it wouldn't make sense for Darthfoley as his team mate to do that. For now both are in my suspect pile until the game develops more. On the oppersite end, Mderg feels the most town. His posts are interacting with the discussion going on and feels like it's coming from a town perspective. Rusissan Rsoultin itch post doesn't get her town in my eyes, as the way she worded it allows her to back track more easily and generally feels like she is not committing to a read. The one's I bolded are the ones Im talking about. On January 18 2018 15:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not a jimmy hendrix fan i gather?
purple haze bruh
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? Nope, missed that reference entirely. I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. So many itches. A holyflare who says hi and scrams when he's at the centre of attention. Though it is late and joke votes obvious, still an itch.Rels hi itchy for similar reasons but less itchy when not center of attention.Darthfoley passive aggression at someone eager to participate ??? (In retrospect this bugs me most at present) Prplhz just needs to be swatted with a newspaper. Mild itchiness with an eager Damdred not being around for game start, but then, it's Damdred; he could have fallen down a set of stairs @.@I hate phone posting Lazy rsoul should just get on her pc. And yes, itchiness is like a mild form of scummy in case that's not clear. Maybe more accurate to put it as it rubs me wrong and makes me suspicious. QQ phone posting is hard Why doesn't it make sense that they could be scum together (mocsta and DF), they have no real interactions together (yet). Also the comments could be distancing obviously so it does make moderate sense. But still a bit much to make a decision either way I suppose. But both are scummy Lol, as and you shall be given. I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it. If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way. If that makes sense. But would DF of thought he would of drawn that much attention to Moc? I don't think so necessarily, its a weak entry for DF in any game, he has little follow through (as he really hasn't posted) so its a bit weak anyway. But id be happy just lynching moc today anyway. As for BTDT, mostly its just a gut feeling and I agreed with his insight so he can be an ally for today. If you rolled mafia, are you going to instantly bash your teammate who already is going to get people looking at them in the manner Darthfoley did? If Darthfoley was scum with Mcosta Rico, then I would expect him to have presented his "suspections" more strongly since he knows it to be true. Maybe I am over estimating. Maybe you are under estimating. Im an evil person who busses just for lolz and credit when I shouldn't, So yeah I would bash a team mate for lolz like Df did. But we will see I suppose as long as we can work together and lynch one of them today.
Is what I am talking about. He seems really eager to agree with others views that opposes his view. And slowly during our conversation about the team idea, he got more and more less intrested and seem to rather talk about something other than his own idea.[/QUOTE]
That's someting I can actually see being scummy
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I really don't like the way Damerion is making his case on Damdred, though.
Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine.
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On January 18 2018 23:04 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 22:52 mderg wrote:
I'm really not sure what to make of this game... I don't have Damdred or Mocsta as scum right now.
Then what so you think of the game so far as it developed. What is your read on damdred? Mcosta rico? Generally?
damdred I'm not sure about, I can see the point you made about him looking to agree with people of opposing views. On the other hand his defense doesn't seem like scum to me. The slightly illogical reasoning on the meta stuff just feels super townie to me.
I also don't like the way Damerion has gone to attack Damdred. Immediately tunneling on Damdred based solely on meta. I don't know how much there actually is to the meta, though. (probably something at least).
Mocsta, I feel showed the kind of openness I would expect town to have.
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On January 18 2018 23:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 23:18 mderg wrote:On January 18 2018 23:04 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 22:52 mderg wrote:
I'm really not sure what to make of this game... I don't have Damdred or Mocsta as scum right now.
Then what so you think of the game so far as it developed. What is your read on damdred? Mcosta rico? Generally? damdred I'm not sure about, I can see the point you made about him looking to agree with people of opposing views. On the other hand his defense doesn't seem like scum to me. The slightly illogical reasoning on the meta stuff just feels super townie to me. I also don't like the way Damerion has gone to attack Damdred. Immediately tunneling on Damdred based solely on meta. I don't know how much there actually is to the meta, though. (probably something at least). Mocsta, I feel showed the kind of openness I would expect town to have. Ok. So going off your filter. So would a list be like: Town: Me Mcosta Rico Rsoultin Mafia: Hf? Confused: Damerion I'm just now worrying about you cause after reading your filter, you seem to be unwilling to commit to anything as well and apart from me and now Mcosta Rico, you haven't taken a strong stance on anything.
How do you get hf in the mafia pile from my filter? I'd much rather put Damerion in that.
Like I said, I don't know what to make off this game which is somewhat annoying
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On January 19 2018 05:11 darthfoley wrote:
Perhaps i'll town read HF for seeing what I see. But he's good enough to do that as either alignment. I shall come back to this later.
Town: Twat/Rels
What makes Rels town?
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On January 19 2018 07:12 KelsierSC wrote:
I don't like Mderg I think his disappointment at the thread felt fake and his 10 page hf point was not my experience of hf at all. In general I have disagreed with almost everything he said apart from his agreement that damerion is just too aggro. So I could see Mderg knowing both damdred and damerion are town and trying to get some credit later...maybe im just biased with that .
Not getting to read even a single page after a night of sleep can be pretty disappointing. The 10 page filter comment was obviously exaggerated but I definitely remember hf having insane filter lengths in the past.
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On January 19 2018 08:51 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 07:48 mderg wrote:On January 19 2018 05:11 darthfoley wrote:
Perhaps i'll town read HF for seeing what I see. But he's good enough to do that as either alignment. I shall come back to this later.
Town: Twat/Rels What makes Rels town? He has seen what I see and shares some similar opinions about specific things that would not be on a mafia's priorities list at this juncture in the game
sounds kind of vague and bullshitty to me
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On January 19 2018 16:08 Mocsta wrote:
Tell me, does this fit within your knowledge of how damdred plays?
Everything about him to me reads as measured and carefully considered.. proofing before posting possibly more than twice. Everything is INTENTIONAL...
That's really not the impression I've got from his play
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Trying to shortly summarize my thoughts on everyone
Twat: probably town
kmatt: no idea
Damerion: don't like his tunneling on damdred, could be scum
btdt: no idea
Mocsta: probably town, conversation with rsoultin looks like town on town argument
Rels: just latches onto the damdred wagon and his work is done
rsoultin: probably town
df: meh
damdred: leaning town
prplhz: no idea
Kelsier: leaning towads town very slightly
Holyflare: I would expect more from town hf but I always have him as scum
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Does mafia actually panic that easily?
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On January 19 2018 19:29 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 18:50 mderg wrote:
Trying to shortly summarize my thoughts on everyone
Twat: probably town
kmatt: no idea
Damerion: don't like his tunneling on damdred, could be scum
btdt: no idea
Mocsta: probably town, conversation with rsoultin looks like town on town argument
Rels: just latches onto the damdred wagon and his work is done
rsoultin: probably town
df: meh
damdred: leaning town
prplhz: no idea
Kelsier: leaning towads town very slightly
Holyflare: I would expect more from town hf but I always have him as scum I don't think a list like this is very good. In reality you have provided yourself a lot of outs to change opinion without putting forward anything new. Can you expand on df and explain why he is meh.
The goal of that list was not to put out anything groundbrakingly new. It's a way to summarize and organize my thoughts.
Everything df said (except the townread on Rels imo) kind of makes sense. But I had pretty much no idea what he said before going through his filter. So his play feels a bit off despite making logically sound arguments.
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On January 19 2018 19:49 KelsierSC wrote:
Though I disagree with HF on his damdred read, I do want to see more from damdred this day.
Reading through HF's explanation. I could understand that if you were reading a guy as scummy from before. (due to his df/mcosta read) then with that biased you could see his response as panicked.
I thought about the perspective of if I was scum HF/Rels. I think my initial interpretation was wrong.I don't think scum HF and Rels jump on this case and call it good. Especially Rels , if damdred flips town he looks super shady.
I think if Damdred is town then you just soft defend him , in the way I have done tbh, and then look for some random lynch later on, if damdred is lynched then a town goes down and you look good.
I think Mderg did that and maybe df but i'm not 100%.
with btdt I liked something he did early, mentioning the bad read on hf and he read rsoultin as town so I gave him a few plus points. I didn't like his Mcosta is weird with a massive quote post , i'd need to see more though.
At this point i'd lynch between mderg, maybe df then prplhz,kmatt and btdt need to put more into the thread.
soft defending a townie who's getting lynched is always making you look suspicious. That wouldn't be good scum play.
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On January 19 2018 19:59 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 19:51 mderg wrote:On January 19 2018 19:29 KelsierSC wrote:On January 19 2018 18:50 mderg wrote:
Trying to shortly summarize my thoughts on everyone
Twat: probably town
kmatt: no idea
Damerion: don't like his tunneling on damdred, could be scum
btdt: no idea
Mocsta: probably town, conversation with rsoultin looks like town on town argument
Rels: just latches onto the damdred wagon and his work is done
rsoultin: probably town
df: meh
damdred: leaning town
prplhz: no idea
Kelsier: leaning towads town very slightly
Holyflare: I would expect more from town hf but I always have him as scum I don't think a list like this is very good. In reality you have provided yourself a lot of outs to change opinion without putting forward anything new. Can you expand on df and explain why he is meh. The goal of that list was not to put out anything groundbrakingly new. It's a way to summarize and organize my thoughts. Everything df said (except the townread on Rels imo) kind of makes sense. But I had pretty much no idea what he said before going through his filter. So his play feels a bit off despite making logically sound arguments. Ok that makes some sense. Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 19:53 mderg wrote:On January 19 2018 19:49 KelsierSC wrote:
Though I disagree with HF on his damdred read, I do want to see more from damdred this day.
Reading through HF's explanation. I could understand that if you were reading a guy as scummy from before. (due to his df/mcosta read) then with that biased you could see his response as panicked.
I thought about the perspective of if I was scum HF/Rels. I think my initial interpretation was wrong.I don't think scum HF and Rels jump on this case and call it good. Especially Rels , if damdred flips town he looks super shady.
I think if Damdred is town then you just soft defend him , in the way I have done tbh, and then look for some random lynch later on, if damdred is lynched then a town goes down and you look good.
I think Mderg did that and maybe df but i'm not 100%.
with btdt I liked something he did early, mentioning the bad read on hf and he read rsoultin as town so I gave him a few plus points. I didn't like his Mcosta is weird with a massive quote post , i'd need to see more though.
At this point i'd lynch between mderg, maybe df then prplhz,kmatt and btdt need to put more into the thread.
soft defending a townie who's getting lynched is always making you look suspicious. That wouldn't be good scum play. So based on rsoultin and HF's discussion and previous thoughts. You believe that damdred is town and Rels is scum who has just sidled onto the wagon without saying much. Do you think one of HF and damerion is also scum aswell? or both?
I don't think all 3 of them are scum together. Both damerion and hf are in my would lynch because scummy pile with damerion being higher up in the scummy department.
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On January 19 2018 20:39 KelsierSC wrote:
I guess BTDT works as a lynch . I suppose he has a high chance of flipping scum.
Mderg you are here , what do you think about a BTDT lynch?
I could consolidate on a btdt lynch
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On January 19 2018 21:06 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 20:00 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2018 19:49 KelsierSC wrote:
Though I disagree with HF on his damdred read, I do want to see more from damdred this day.
Reading through HF's explanation. I could understand that if you were reading a guy as scummy from before. (due to his df/mcosta read) then with that biased you could see his response as panicked.
I thought about the perspective of if I was scum HF/Rels. I think my initial interpretation was wrong.I don't think scum HF and Rels jump on this case and call it good. Especially Rels , if damdred flips town he looks super shady.
I think if Damdred is town then you just soft defend him , in the way I have done tbh, and then look for some random lynch later on, if damdred is lynched then a town goes down and you look good.
I think Mderg did that and maybe df but i'm not 100%.
with btdt I liked something he did early, mentioning the bad read on hf and he read rsoultin as town so I gave him a few plus points. I didn't like his Mcosta is weird with a massive quote post , i'd need to see more though.
At this point i'd lynch between mderg, maybe df then prplhz,kmatt and btdt need to put more into the thread.
To be fair, I think scumRels would be way more likely to do that if there was an alternative lynch going, which there wasn't. It still felt like a half-assed drive-by shooting but I can't say that it makes him scum. Not feeling a mderg lynch. It's not sparkly but I get a little swimming against the current and a little waffley not sure not sure from his filter that just feels towny to me. Not my strongest read, of course, but I'd rather not lynch him. Meeeh btdt's filter is just so weak for me. Hold on. I already forgot specifics. I too get a ray of hope from mderg.
Who are you and what did you do to the real holyflare?
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On January 19 2018 23:59 Rels wrote:
It's strong words for what Mocsta did, IE respond for a post. Then the next posts is Mocsta begings making big posts, and DF don't follow
The lack of reponse to Mocsta's posts doesn't make sense as either alignment unless it's an unlucky coincidence.
On January 20 2018 00:12 Rels wrote:
oh no thinking of marghell
mderg can be scum as well then
On January 20 2018 00:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 00:16 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 00:12 Rels wrote:
oh no thinking of marghell
mderg can be scum as well then ??? he's just kinda floating in the thread, and his list post was out of nowhere and the reasonning were pretty vague. So it didn't match my view of him being top-tier scum. Then I checked and he was not the top-tier scum I remembered. But checking his last town game where he got lynched D1 he was also apparently just floating around
I'm definitely top tier scum when the stars align every 200 years.
I would generally advice against meta reading me, though.
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I'm not liking that I more and more like how Rels is posting
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On January 20 2018 05:04 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 05:00 mderg wrote:On January 19 2018 23:59 Rels wrote:
It's strong words for what Mocsta did, IE respond for a post. Then the next posts is Mocsta begings making big posts, and DF don't follow The lack of reponse to Mocsta's posts doesn't make sense as either alignment unless it's an unlucky coincidence. On January 20 2018 00:12 Rels wrote:
oh no thinking of marghell
mderg can be scum as well then On January 20 2018 00:27 Rels wrote:On January 20 2018 00:16 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 00:12 Rels wrote:
oh no thinking of marghell
mderg can be scum as well then ??? he's just kinda floating in the thread, and his list post was out of nowhere and the reasonning were pretty vague. So it didn't match my view of him being top-tier scum. Then I checked and he was not the top-tier scum I remembered. But checking his last town game where he got lynched D1 he was also apparently just floating around I'm definitely top tier scum when the stars align every 200 years. I would generally advice against meta reading me, though. Y'all talking about how I didn't respond to Mocsta's big post after I called him out. I went to bed after I made that post and he responded like an hour later. How is that alignment indicative?
That's pretty much what I said.
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On January 20 2018 05:18 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 05:15 mderg wrote:
I'm not liking that I more and more like how Rels is posting What is it that you like? His town read of you?
I didn't get the impression that he has me as town. Looked more like a scum -> null progression to me.
The 'we dislike the same post but your reasons are wrong' thing looks pretty good to me
+ Show Spoiler +On January 20 2018 04:55 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:
The fact that like 4 people are agreeing with my scum read on BTDT while also pushing me is scummy as fuck. Your BTDT read is not very good TBH. We both didn't like the same post but I don't think your reasons to scumread BTDT are very good. Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:Kelsier sticks out as particularly odd in this progression On January 19 2018 19:29 KelsierSC wrote:On January 19 2018 18:50 mderg wrote:
Trying to shortly summarize my thoughts on everyone
Twat: probably town
kmatt: no idea
Damerion: don't like his tunneling on damdred, could be scum
btdt: no idea
Mocsta: probably town, conversation with rsoultin looks like town on town argument
Rels: just latches onto the damdred wagon and his work is done
rsoultin: probably town
df: meh
damdred: leaning town
prplhz: no idea
Kelsier: leaning towads town very slightly
Holyflare: I would expect more from town hf but I always have him as scum I don't think a list like this is very good. In reality you have provided yourself a lot of outs to change opinion without putting forward anything new. Can you expand on df and explain why he is meh. This implies some sense of skepticism or town read on me. He then 180s more or less by giving a vague summary of my filter to justify the current hot-take in the thread. What is this reasoning? On January 19 2018 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:On January 19 2018 20:10 rsoultin wrote:That's because there's nothing there! I just remember knock down drag out bitch fights from him. Clearly not present here. He says he's eager to play pre-game...where is that after game starts? He's not afk so that's not an explanation. Don't agree on the holyflare read being good. Though maybe he's played with holyflare more recently than me and that's why. And townreading me this game (except maybe in twatty's case which is actually kind of cute) is hardly insightful. The mocsta stuff is super weak. In the realm of people shitting on mocsta, which I didn't like in general, his has to be the worst. On January 19 2018 06:07 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 19 2018 05:05 darthfoley wrote:On January 19 2018 01:21 Rels wrote:
I also don't like BTDT's first post. Feels weird.
I also don't like rsoul being the Damdred whisperer and being bothered with him but not poking him to get a proper read Oui mon ami, oui! connerie, mes amis ^ He was definitely here to have an opinion or comment on...anything. Just anything. Didn't. Although I did just look up the French and now I want to ask him what he was disagreeing with. I don't put him in the same category as prp and kmatt at all. Still fine with a darth folely lynch though. Devil's advocate says if BTDT is town he's an easy one to point fingers at, and that was df. Fair enough, I don't remember ever playing with BTDT so I will take your word on it. He has been weak , I would prefer to lynch df at this point but if nothing else is forthcoming from BTDT then he becomes a better lynch. Why do you prefer to lynch DF > BTDT but if BTDT doesn't do anything, then BTDT > DF. How does this make any sense? Why would your lynch preference change if nothing changes? I don't follow how KSC asking for a clarification of his read on you implies he townreads you.
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On January 20 2018 05:47 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 05:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:
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Priority #2: Other comments of interest
Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).
Am i wrong to expect more?
Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.
mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless. How is any of this vague? If this a genuine opinion from you, I need you to explain it. Because right now it seems like you decided to keep calling him scum and hastily constructed an answer that you yourself can't support without making vague claims that I see no factual grounds for. Yes he gives a little nibble here or there of a conclusion but he leaves so much wiggle room for backing off. I don't know why this point is so hard for you to understand and why you disagree so vehemently. It looks like typical light shade throwing without much commitment. For example, "mderg used hyperbole" I think can be read either way. Town use hyperbole all the time but in different ways than mafia. I'm moving on from this because I've explained myself and if you still don't get it then I guess we just fundamentally disagree on the issue at hand.
The wiggle room tuff would make me scum in 90% of my games, which makes me dislike that reasoning
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skimming through damerion's games he doesn't look much different from usual. I haven't bothered to check, if he was right or wrong in his reads, though.
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On January 20 2018 07:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 07:30 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 07:26 Rels wrote:On January 20 2018 07:23 rsoultin wrote:
Damerion's first game comes closest to actually matching Holyflare's characterization. Extremely good reads there, mafia team call outs early. Still not the one at a time to exclusion of everyone else bit, but solid.
Lol it's funny rels cause my thought is I kind of want to lynch Damerion >> I just...why the fuck mischaracterize something so easy to check in hf's case? no this doesn't prove anything, HF thinks this is true whatver alignment he is. But he's so focused on Damdred for something so minor. So sure. And then when Damdred comes and says BTDT is town, automatically they're a team. And then this whole pointless debate about him being at work, which goes nowhere. Just a pointless discussion in which he argues just to win the debate, just like he does as scum. Well, I'm not townreading him for sure. But I want to consolidate on not-Damdred so... That's everyone on my original list of seven except you if I remember correctly. Who I'd vote over Damdred. I still don't like darth foley really but I remember not liking him anyway as town so that should be taken with a grain of salt. Damerion though...this doesn't read like his last three town games at all. And the meta's being applied wrong. I think I'd prefer his lynch over everyone now >< yeah I also don't like Damerion. In addition to what I've said earlier I didn't like that he came back just to tunnel Damdred some more. When in the other games I skimmed earlier he seemed to always have a more global view in mind
From what I've seen his extreme confidence in his early scumread is pretty similar to his past games. He didn't tunnel as much but it doesn't seem that off.
I don't like his case and tunnel on damdred at all but his meta seems to be in line with his past games to me.
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On January 20 2018 08:49 mderg wrote:
Kelsier is scum btw
Only a little bit off here...
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Taking a look at the votes:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
I think we can clear btdt because df voting him makes no sense here, if they're both scum. One vote switch would get btdt lynched.
Similarly we can clear rsoultin on the df wagon. That's not telling us anything new, though.
I also think Mocsta is town based on his interactions with df.
So this is where I'm at:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
That leaves us with:
TheTwatyEvildoer: Looked pretty townish to me but then dropped off the face of the earth, wouldn't lynch right now, though
Kmatt: Could be scum could be town but how do you honestly read him at this point?
Damerion: Didn't like his case and tunnel on Damdred. Did look somewhat close to his usual town game but with some differences. Would lynch.
Rels: Didn't like him at the start, felt better later on. Switching between two town wagons at the end would be plausible as scum. Could imagine lynching him.
prplhz: No idea how to read him from his posts. Probably not scum together with Rels because I don't think all 3 scum would be on the same wagon.
Holyflare: Felt more like hf but his reads look like how mafia would want to lynch. Would lynch.
mderg: I'm obviously town
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Giving hf the benefit of the doubt is not something I would be comfortable with
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On January 21 2018 19:29 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2018 19:14 mderg wrote:Taking a look at the votes:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
I think we can clear btdt because df voting him makes no sense here, if they're both scum. One vote switch would get btdt lynched. Similarly we can clear rsoultin on the df wagon. That's not telling us anything new, though. I also think Mocsta is town based on his interactions with df. So this is where I'm at:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
That leaves us with: TheTwatyEvildoer: Looked pretty townish to me but then dropped off the face of the earth, wouldn't lynch right now, though Kmatt: Could be scum could be town but how do you honestly read him at this point? Damerion: Didn't like his case and tunnel on Damdred. Did look somewhat close to his usual town game but with some differences. Would lynch. Rels: Didn't like him at the start, felt better later on. Switching between two town wagons at the end would be plausible as scum. Could imagine lynching him. prplhz: No idea how to read him from his posts. Probably not scum together with Rels because I don't think all 3 scum would be on the same wagon. Holyflare: Felt more like hf but his reads look like how mafia would want to lynch. Would lynch. mderg: I'm obviously town Kmatt, alone of the afk'd players, was actually active around the lynch without voting. What does that say to you? Regarding rels, what is it that makes you think he could be scum? Switching between two town lynches doesn't make him town, sure, and could be staged. But there's also little incentive for scum to care in that situation. For that matter, me not voting to save Damdred could be considered scummy. I know that I was a boob writing a post while the vote changes happened, but you don't know that that's true or not. You don't agree with me that prp saying he'll vote with me and then not voting with me on scum darth foley looks scummy? Why not?
It honestly doesn't tell me much about kmatt, what should it tell me?
I've just now skimmed through his filter and have to say that it looks a bit different from what I thought it looked like. Pressure on df and hf looks good. Doesn't like damerion. Would be stupid to lynch him at this point.
I don't know about prplhz. I don't know enough about him and df as players to judge how much sense his reasoning made. I definitely wouldn't play like that as town, though.
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On January 21 2018 19:53 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2018 19:47 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:14 mderg wrote:Taking a look at the votes:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
I think we can clear btdt because df voting him makes no sense here, if they're both scum. One vote switch would get btdt lynched. Similarly we can clear rsoultin on the df wagon. That's not telling us anything new, though. I also think Mocsta is town based on his interactions with df. So this is where I'm at:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
That leaves us with: TheTwatyEvildoer: Looked pretty townish to me but then dropped off the face of the earth, wouldn't lynch right now, though Kmatt: Could be scum could be town but how do you honestly read him at this point? Damerion: Didn't like his case and tunnel on Damdred. Did look somewhat close to his usual town game but with some differences. Would lynch. Rels: Didn't like him at the start, felt better later on. Switching between two town wagons at the end would be plausible as scum. Could imagine lynching him. prplhz: No idea how to read him from his posts. Probably not scum together with Rels because I don't think all 3 scum would be on the same wagon. Holyflare: Felt more like hf but his reads look like how mafia would want to lynch. Would lynch. mderg: I'm obviously town Kmatt, alone of the afk'd players, was actually active around the lynch without voting. What does that say to you? Regarding rels, what is it that makes you think he could be scum? Switching between two town lynches doesn't make him town, sure, and could be staged. But there's also little incentive for scum to care in that situation. For that matter, me not voting to save Damdred could be considered scummy. I know that I was a boob writing a post while the vote changes happened, but you don't know that that's true or not. You don't agree with me that prp saying he'll vote with me and then not voting with me on scum darth foley looks scummy? Why not? It honestly doesn't tell me much about kmatt, what should it tell me? I've just now skimmed through his filter and have to say that it looks a bit different from what I thought it looked like. Pressure on df and hf looks good. Doesn't like damerion. Would be stupid to lynch him at this point. I don't know about prplhz. I don't know enough about him and df as players to judge how much sense his reasoning made. I definitely wouldn't play like that as town, though. Namely, if you townread Damdred and you're here the last 24 hours of the day phase multiple times, why do you not vote when Damdred is leading the votes? I don't get that. It almost falls into the scum need to be right without feeling the need to actually do anything about it (i.e. save a townread). What gives me pause is the wagon on darthfoley but...I don't think we ever had enough to actually lynch df yesterday. ^ That combination for me shifts him to the scummy side of null. Not top priority, but clearly I think that people should be able to read something into his play here and actually have opinions on it. That's why I asked you.
I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at.
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On January 21 2018 20:47 Mocsta wrote:
2 scum within: damerion, HF, mderg, prplhz
If damdred is the player everyone says he is, its quite the mastermind effort to facillitate a lynch him day1.
This points to HF for me by default.
This looks like a reasonable assessment of the situation. I don't think it's a mastermind effort to lynch Damdred day1, though. It's probably the easiest point of the game to get him lynched and he didn't radiate town as much as he could have done.
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I think I'll just sheep rsoultin here
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My head tells me it has to be Damerion and hf but my gut tells me it can't be that simple.
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On January 23 2018 21:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:25 Damdred wrote:On January 18 2018 21:20 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Hello! Mcosta Rico obviously has a post a bunch of unnecessary fluff. I don't like this. It feels he is trying to inject and clog up the discussion early on, so that later near the vote we don't have a solid lead. On January 18 2018 13:42 Mocsta wrote:On January 18 2018 12:07 darthfoley wrote:
hello comrades On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
who is this mocsta character.... Fear not, for I... am a comrade! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
... and why is he speaking so much? Because I can, Because I want to, Because I desire to... @DarthFoley: Why do you ask?On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. Wise words Kmatt. I want to start calling DarthFoley, AxelFoley... get it + Show Spoiler +Beverly Hills Cop reference. For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal. However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico. Both above feel like mafia in their agenda. But I doubt they are together since it wouldn't make sense for Darthfoley as his team mate to do that. For now both are in my suspect pile until the game develops more. On the oppersite end, Mderg feels the most town. His posts are interacting with the discussion going on and feels like it's coming from a town perspective. Rusissan Rsoultin itch post doesn't get her town in my eyes, as the way she worded it allows her to back track more easily and generally feels like she is not committing to a read. The one's I bolded are the ones Im talking about. On January 18 2018 15:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not a jimmy hendrix fan i gather?
purple haze bruh
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? Nope, missed that reference entirely. I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. So many itches. A holyflare who says hi and scrams when he's at the centre of attention. Though it is late and joke votes obvious, still an itch.Rels hi itchy for similar reasons but less itchy when not center of attention.Darthfoley passive aggression at someone eager to participate ??? (In retrospect this bugs me most at present) Prplhz just needs to be swatted with a newspaper. Mild itchiness with an eager Damdred not being around for game start, but then, it's Damdred; he could have fallen down a set of stairs @.@I hate phone posting Lazy rsoul should just get on her pc. And yes, itchiness is like a mild form of scummy in case that's not clear. Maybe more accurate to put it as it rubs me wrong and makes me suspicious. QQ phone posting is hard Why doesn't it make sense that they could be scum together (mocsta and DF), they have no real interactions together (yet). Also the comments could be distancing obviously so it does make moderate sense. But still a bit much to make a decision either way I suppose. But both are scummy Lol, as and you shall be given. I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it. If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way. If that makes sense. such perfect and sure reads 10 minutes into the game. And he sure love talking about DF. Lol I think he's in love with DF. Basically every single post of his talks about DF. Such attraction. + Show Spoiler +On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal.
However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico.
On January 18 2018 21:26 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Also you don't think Darthfoley and Mcosta Rico are together right? If so, why? On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it.
If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way.
If that makes sense.
On January 18 2018 21:56 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
If Darthfoley was scum with Mcosta Rico, then I would expect him to have presented his "suspections" more strongly since he knows it to be true.
Maybe I am over estimating. Maybe you are under estimating. On January 18 2018 22:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Is meta that thing where people based early reads on a player's past games?
Anyways,
Bold doesn't make since sense everyone who thinks Darthfoley is scum is doing the same.
Can you explain the word usage point more in detail with examples? On January 18 2018 22:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 22:18 Damerion wrote:
Currently I have very little to go on, mostly just nulls. I will update that as we go.
I am confident that my read on Damdred is correct however, there is clear scum motivation for what he is doing. What is your read on Mcosta Rico and DarthFoley? Damdred just admitted that his meta is to mustang/bus his teammates as mafia. As someone who states he knows his meta, what is your opinion on his reads on them. And what are yours reads on them? On January 18 2018 22:44 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Plus here he looks like he is squirming in the read section. When I pressured him about his DarthFoley + Mcosta Rico team read, he just eventually submitted to me and focused on allying me. On January 18 2018 23:04 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
What do you think of Darthfoley post though? I get the want to have more info on it, but that doesn't rub you as mafia to you?
What about his focus on defending himself. Do you think he is just pressured town? On January 19 2018 01:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
So if you don't like the Damdred or Mcosta Rico vote. Then who you want? Holyflare? Darthfoley? On January 19 2018 02:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 22:38 Damerion wrote:
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As for my read on Darthfoley, I think he is null one post does a case not make unless he claimed scum.
I do not like Mocsta posts, however I do not think his ramblings are alignment indicative. So pressure him fine but I do not see it, strange yes but nothing beyond that. I was worried about him only seeming to have a read on damdred. But it seems strange for him if he is mafia to exclude the other two prime vote targets at the time from his pool. He also didn't seem worried to frabicate a read or what not on them. Bear in mind this is before the damdred votes piled so it would be a major gamble from him to make it impossible to chase Mcosta Rico and Darthfoley based off current suspecious of them. I felt he was town before, but I think this seals it. Thoughts? Might be partner indicative.
He mentions Mocsta nearly as much as df tbh. Lots of his posts that mention df are in relation to Damdred having df and Mocsta in his scum pile.
The amount of focus he puts on the df and Mocsta scumreads from Damdred is much more unsettling to me.
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On January 23 2018 21:58 rsoultin wrote:
Actually...even though I felt he was organic before, it is odd that twatty apparently had mocsta and darth foley as scum, but not together, but instead interacts with pretty much everyone but them. Even Damdred. Who he votes as a 'placeholder' until his scumreads talk more?
What bugs me most about his vote is that Damdred had both df and Mocsta as scum. Why would he vote someone who has a scumread on both of them?
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On January 23 2018 23:06 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2018 22:48 mderg wrote:On January 23 2018 21:46 Rels wrote:On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:25 Damdred wrote:On January 18 2018 21:20 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Hello! Mcosta Rico obviously has a post a bunch of unnecessary fluff. I don't like this. It feels he is trying to inject and clog up the discussion early on, so that later near the vote we don't have a solid lead. On January 18 2018 13:42 Mocsta wrote:On January 18 2018 12:07 darthfoley wrote:
hello comrades On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
who is this mocsta character.... Fear not, for I... am a comrade! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
... and why is he speaking so much? Because I can, Because I want to, Because I desire to... @DarthFoley: Why do you ask?On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. Wise words Kmatt. I want to start calling DarthFoley, AxelFoley... get it + Show Spoiler +Beverly Hills Cop reference. For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal. However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico. Both above feel like mafia in their agenda. But I doubt they are together since it wouldn't make sense for Darthfoley as his team mate to do that. For now both are in my suspect pile until the game develops more. On the oppersite end, Mderg feels the most town. His posts are interacting with the discussion going on and feels like it's coming from a town perspective. Rusissan Rsoultin itch post doesn't get her town in my eyes, as the way she worded it allows her to back track more easily and generally feels like she is not committing to a read. The one's I bolded are the ones Im talking about. On January 18 2018 15:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not a jimmy hendrix fan i gather?
purple haze bruh
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? Nope, missed that reference entirely. I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. So many itches. A holyflare who says hi and scrams when he's at the centre of attention. Though it is late and joke votes obvious, still an itch.Rels hi itchy for similar reasons but less itchy when not center of attention.Darthfoley passive aggression at someone eager to participate ??? (In retrospect this bugs me most at present) Prplhz just needs to be swatted with a newspaper. Mild itchiness with an eager Damdred not being around for game start, but then, it's Damdred; he could have fallen down a set of stairs @.@I hate phone posting Lazy rsoul should just get on her pc. And yes, itchiness is like a mild form of scummy in case that's not clear. Maybe more accurate to put it as it rubs me wrong and makes me suspicious. QQ phone posting is hard Why doesn't it make sense that they could be scum together (mocsta and DF), they have no real interactions together (yet). Also the comments could be distancing obviously so it does make moderate sense. But still a bit much to make a decision either way I suppose. But both are scummy Lol, as and you shall be given. I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it. If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way. If that makes sense. such perfect and sure reads 10 minutes into the game. And he sure love talking about DF. Lol I think he's in love with DF. Basically every single post of his talks about DF. Such attraction. + Show Spoiler +On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal.
However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico.
On January 18 2018 21:26 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Also you don't think Darthfoley and Mcosta Rico are together right? If so, why? On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it.
If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way.
If that makes sense.
On January 18 2018 21:56 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
If Darthfoley was scum with Mcosta Rico, then I would expect him to have presented his "suspections" more strongly since he knows it to be true.
Maybe I am over estimating. Maybe you are under estimating. On January 18 2018 22:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Is meta that thing where people based early reads on a player's past games?
Anyways,
Bold doesn't make since sense everyone who thinks Darthfoley is scum is doing the same.
Can you explain the word usage point more in detail with examples? On January 18 2018 22:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 22:18 Damerion wrote:
Currently I have very little to go on, mostly just nulls. I will update that as we go.
I am confident that my read on Damdred is correct however, there is clear scum motivation for what he is doing. What is your read on Mcosta Rico and DarthFoley? Damdred just admitted that his meta is to mustang/bus his teammates as mafia. As someone who states he knows his meta, what is your opinion on his reads on them. And what are yours reads on them? On January 18 2018 22:44 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Plus here he looks like he is squirming in the read section. When I pressured him about his DarthFoley + Mcosta Rico team read, he just eventually submitted to me and focused on allying me. On January 18 2018 23:04 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
What do you think of Darthfoley post though? I get the want to have more info on it, but that doesn't rub you as mafia to you?
What about his focus on defending himself. Do you think he is just pressured town? On January 19 2018 01:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
So if you don't like the Damdred or Mcosta Rico vote. Then who you want? Holyflare? Darthfoley? On January 19 2018 02:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 22:38 Damerion wrote:
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As for my read on Darthfoley, I think he is null one post does a case not make unless he claimed scum.
I do not like Mocsta posts, however I do not think his ramblings are alignment indicative. So pressure him fine but I do not see it, strange yes but nothing beyond that. I was worried about him only seeming to have a read on damdred. But it seems strange for him if he is mafia to exclude the other two prime vote targets at the time from his pool. He also didn't seem worried to frabicate a read or what not on them. Bear in mind this is before the damdred votes piled so it would be a major gamble from him to make it impossible to chase Mcosta Rico and Darthfoley based off current suspecious of them. I felt he was town before, but I think this seals it. Thoughts? Might be partner indicative. He mentions Mocsta nearly as much as df tbh. Lots of his posts that mention df are in relation to Damdred having df and Mocsta in his scum pile. The amount of focus he puts on the df and Mocsta scumreads from Damdred is much more unsettling to me. i read iy differently. Rather he thought one of dafth and mocsta is scum. But wasnt sure which. Its the convo bits with damdred that made me think he was tunneled lol. Wjat do you find unsettling?
It's the way he can't see a world where you and df are scum together and distancing yourselves from each other. It feels like half his posts are about that but he doesn't even think twice about Damdred bussing you or df. It doesn't really feel natural.
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I don't like the cop claim. Damerion was the prime lynch target and I don't think the checks provide useful information.
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On January 24 2018 20:19 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 19:59 mderg wrote:
I don't like the cop claim. Damerion was the prime lynch target and I don't think the checks provide useful information. that made me chuckle
Why?
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On January 24 2018 22:58 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 22:55 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2018 22:53 Damerion wrote:
I mean you call it pessimistic but I literally have 5 votes, three of the votes come from green checks and someone who believed my claim immediately. And you say I had no reason to claim? You gained these votes precisely and only because you claimed. Because the role you claim is very unrealistic at this point. I understand you not being caught up yet justanothertownie, but saying I gained those votes only because I claim is the unrealistic statement.
The claim had at least a part in those votes
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On January 24 2018 22:58 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 19:12 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2018 19:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
Hm, summarizing:
- having a Cop is unlikely with a vig in (see above)
- his checks are meh
- roleblocker is confirmed, so if we leave him alive for another check, scum will just roleblock and not kill him.
- no counter claim, so if it is a fakeclaim, the real blue stays alive and un-outed
Actually, I think lynching Damerion is a good idea. Yup. Add to that how he is basically claiming to save himself since he was #1 lynch priority beforehand. One thing to note: if it's a fake claim, why doesn't he fake a red check? That way he'd make town throw away one mislynch.
That's a decent point. While I could see a reason to not fake a red check, I probably would fake one.
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On January 25 2018 03:45 Kmatt wrote:
lmao no. If I see a counterclaim of any other blue I would hang him on the spot. The fact that no townie is taking an easy 1-for-1 tells me that he wasn't bullshitting.
At this point counterclaiming would be a free blue kill for mafia.
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On January 25 2018 04:26 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2018 04:19 mderg wrote:On January 25 2018 03:45 Kmatt wrote:
lmao no. If I see a counterclaim of any other blue I would hang him on the spot. The fact that no townie is taking an easy 1-for-1 tells me that he wasn't bullshitting. At this point counterclaiming would be a free blue kill for mafia. This is all under the assumption that he's a dead man walking regardless of what happens today. If you all want to call the bluff I can't stop you.
Of course things change, if there's some vote changes. I can' really see that happening, though.
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Maybe Damerion's reads change things, you never know.
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On January 25 2018 05:15 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2018 04:41 mderg wrote:
Maybe Damerion's reads change things, you never know. Yes, his reads. What were those again?
Talking about this
+ Show Spoiler +On January 24 2018 23:18 Damerion wrote:
I have to do my errands but i'll be back in a couple hours to hopefully talk about reads instead of reasoning behind my claim.
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I can definitely see Hf's points
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On January 26 2018 00:58 Rels wrote:nothing that makes Kmatt particulary scum. Especially compared to Damerion's Damdred read + claim or HF's badness + cop softness during the night.
imo kmatts play is more likely to come from scum than from town. That doesn't necessarily mean that he is scum, though. I can imagine the role wifom coming from a uncertain town player.
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On January 26 2018 17:29 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 16:51 beentheredonethat wrote:
My suggestion is the following: lynch Holyflare. Should he flip town, let's lynch whoever he scumread. not a good idea Game is potentially lylo with a mislynch next cycle Just because a town holyflare scum reads someone. Doesnt mean they are scum Frankly i prefer kmatt as a lynch to holyflare I believe all people present feom day1 to now care too much to be scum. Hf is in this group... being wrong doesnt mean being scummy. Kmatt has only picked up activity since cop claim which could be a scum teamm all-in play Further. I havent been convinced that the stuff hf and me picked out aboit kmatt is non scummy
That's flawed reasoning. Especially Hf is very capable of being active as scum even when the game is very slow.
From day1 on almost everything Hf has done was blatantly anti town. pushing damdred, soft defending df, hard defending damerion, pushing prplhz(which was understandable, though). Then he softed a blue findand he only really stopped hard defending Damerion when it was clear he was gonna be lynched.
Also the interactions between him and Damerion have been strange from the beginning of the game with how much he trusted him. The nightkills also were on people who were at least suspicious of him.
I could buy most of those things on their own. But all of those together? That would be a very strange coincidence. Even considering that kmatt is looking pretty scummy I want to lynch Hf over him.
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Skimmed through the last 10 pages. Am I correct in thinking that hf's defense icomes down to "If I was mafia, I would do things differently"?
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On January 27 2018 05:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 04:43 Rels wrote:On January 27 2018 04:39 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:On January 27 2018 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 03:17 Rels wrote:On January 27 2018 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
whoa Rels calm your tits, keep the caps to yourself and don't spam question marks If that makes you feel better, I was much more angry before, then I edited these posts before posting so that my point is crystal clear. I think the problem is that you ignored the first D3 post of Kmatt, in which: - he talks about a GF - he scumread you So that makes your whole theory fall apart. Which adds to the whole world theory that kmatt is mafia because he can't even be consistent with his reads through one cycle. It is entirely consistent. Not really. He says that btdt is sketchy but then lists out "potential remaining town" and says mocsta is also sketchy but then says that he'll let him pass because of the cop check. It's just choosing names and seeing what sticks. Why does he not let btdt slide for being rbd AND cop checked? Now that the cop is dead he didn't revisit any of those reads. In fact he didn't even mention them again because he is jumping on the opportunity to follow sentiment and go for me. 'cause he scumread BTDT previously + he had this theory on how he would fakeclaim a roleblock if he was scum. They're not great posts but they're not scummy. No. He also scum reads mocsta. It's literally in his posts. "Mocsta has posted a lot of empty words and doesn't seem towny but the cop check so he's town". It's totally arbitrary giving of alignments. Either way now that the cop isn't a cop and is dead both of them should be his scum reads totally. If he truly scum read btdt (and mocsta) why isn't he reinvigorated after this? Instead he jumps on my post where I ask him for reads in the most weird way possible. Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 09:55 Kmatt wrote:No I just can't buy this. On January 26 2018 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
because if you're not mafia like rels is implying then you'll be next after I die and it would be good to get your reads out in the open you know? I hate hate hate this post. How on Earth does Town!Holyflare back off now of all times? I don't pretend to have memorized meta, but I just can't accept anything but a full game-ending crusade against me at this point. I'll be the first to admit that my game so far is abysmal. I can't play town for shite to begin with, and this is a particularly foul example. You have every reason to doubt me. And you did! Repeatedly! There was a wall of text a few pages back. Town!Holyflare has this game served to him on a silver platter. The only thing that happened between then and now is a red flip that you predicted when I defended him to the end. Suddenly Rels calls the banners and now you doubt my scumminess. I could almost see you going full OMGUS and turning on Rels, but you just alluded to him being town too. The only reason someone could reasonably townread me at this point is PoE (which requires a stronger scumread than me, which you didn't have an hour ago) or pure gut. Read this. Absorb it. How on earth does this game make sense in that way? If he is town why has town Holyflare got this game served up on a silver platter? This is backwards thinking in totality. He has gone: "Holyflare scum reads me. Lynching me as town would be bad. Oh he's backing off and asking for my reads now. Wtf that's so scummy, he could have won if he just lynched me???"
I'd argue that scum puts a lot more effort into making sure their reasoning looks consistent than town
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On January 27 2018 05:33 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 05:18 mderg wrote:On January 27 2018 05:12 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 04:43 Rels wrote:On January 27 2018 04:39 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:On January 27 2018 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 03:17 Rels wrote:On January 27 2018 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
whoa Rels calm your tits, keep the caps to yourself and don't spam question marks If that makes you feel better, I was much more angry before, then I edited these posts before posting so that my point is crystal clear. I think the problem is that you ignored the first D3 post of Kmatt, in which: - he talks about a GF - he scumread you So that makes your whole theory fall apart. Which adds to the whole world theory that kmatt is mafia because he can't even be consistent with his reads through one cycle. It is entirely consistent. Not really. He says that btdt is sketchy but then lists out "potential remaining town" and says mocsta is also sketchy but then says that he'll let him pass because of the cop check. It's just choosing names and seeing what sticks. Why does he not let btdt slide for being rbd AND cop checked? Now that the cop is dead he didn't revisit any of those reads. In fact he didn't even mention them again because he is jumping on the opportunity to follow sentiment and go for me. 'cause he scumread BTDT previously + he had this theory on how he would fakeclaim a roleblock if he was scum. They're not great posts but they're not scummy. No. He also scum reads mocsta. It's literally in his posts. "Mocsta has posted a lot of empty words and doesn't seem towny but the cop check so he's town". It's totally arbitrary giving of alignments. Either way now that the cop isn't a cop and is dead both of them should be his scum reads totally. If he truly scum read btdt (and mocsta) why isn't he reinvigorated after this? Instead he jumps on my post where I ask him for reads in the most weird way possible. On January 26 2018 09:55 Kmatt wrote:No I just can't buy this. On January 26 2018 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
because if you're not mafia like rels is implying then you'll be next after I die and it would be good to get your reads out in the open you know? I hate hate hate this post. How on Earth does Town!Holyflare back off now of all times? I don't pretend to have memorized meta, but I just can't accept anything but a full game-ending crusade against me at this point. I'll be the first to admit that my game so far is abysmal. I can't play town for shite to begin with, and this is a particularly foul example. You have every reason to doubt me. And you did! Repeatedly! There was a wall of text a few pages back. Town!Holyflare has this game served to him on a silver platter. The only thing that happened between then and now is a red flip that you predicted when I defended him to the end. Suddenly Rels calls the banners and now you doubt my scumminess. I could almost see you going full OMGUS and turning on Rels, but you just alluded to him being town too. The only reason someone could reasonably townread me at this point is PoE (which requires a stronger scumread than me, which you didn't have an hour ago) or pure gut. Read this. Absorb it. How on earth does this game make sense in that way? If he is town why has town Holyflare got this game served up on a silver platter? This is backwards thinking in totality. He has gone: "Holyflare scum reads me. Lynching me as town would be bad. Oh he's backing off and asking for my reads now. Wtf that's so scummy, he could have won if he just lynched me???" I'd argue that scum puts a lot more effort into making sure their reasoning looks consistent than town That's a really weak argument. I expect someone that struggles to post reads to struggle to post a concrete foundation for why they scum read somebody when they have to fabricate it which is how you come up with the above. He's mafia and is using backwards logic to try and justify it.
Inconsistent reasoning does not mean mafia. It also doesn't mean town but I can very well imagine a townie who isn't 100% in the game coming up with inconsistent reasoning like that.
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On January 27 2018 08:07 Holyflare wrote:Your reason to town read mocsta/kmatt is really, really quite weak. Either way you guys shouldn't listen to the above at all. Your mderg town read is also quite bad because things like: Show nested quote +
Everything df said (except the townread on Rels imo) kind of makes sense. But I had pretty much no idea what he said before going through his filter. So his play feels a bit off despite making logically sound arguments.
give me such major scummy vibes that it's unreal. Everything df said was fine but he had no idea what he said beforehand therefore he's scummy? That's a fucking ODD read to have.
His town read on me is pretty good since I'm town
I feel like you're misrepresenting what I've said about df. What I've said should imply that df was trying not to stand out with what he says, which most people would agree is somewhat scummy.
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On January 27 2018 08:30 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 08:28 mderg wrote:On January 27 2018 08:07 Holyflare wrote:Your reason to town read mocsta/kmatt is really, really quite weak. Either way you guys shouldn't listen to the above at all. Your mderg town read is also quite bad because things like:
Everything df said (except the townread on Rels imo) kind of makes sense. But I had pretty much no idea what he said before going through his filter. So his play feels a bit off despite making logically sound arguments.
give me such major scummy vibes that it's unreal. Everything df said was fine but he had no idea what he said beforehand therefore he's scummy? That's a fucking ODD read to have. His town read on me is pretty good since I'm town I feel like you're misrepresenting what I've said about df. What I've said should imply that df was trying not to stand out with what he says, which most people would agree is somewhat scummy. Perhaps read the bit underneath where I read the context of the actual quote and determine that it's not actually a bad point but you don't equate it to being scummy either so that's kind of stretching the truth. I agree that it made him "meh" and that's that. Nothing more to it.
If I say his play feels off, it means he's scummy
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Note to self: Don't leave any room for interpretation in the future
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Voting hf for now, kmatt should step up, if he doesn't want that to change.
I guess it's time to reread the thread and revisit my reads with the assumption that hf is town.
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I can totally see Mocsta being scum, maybe even more than kmatt
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I always like to read arguments that have been blown out of proprtion on the internet.
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On January 28 2018 08:05 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 03:12 Damerion wrote:
I think BTDT could be scum, there might be a reason to check into him a bit more. DarthFoley could of been distancing himself slightly or just trying to save himself when he voted but doubtful when I think Damdred was the lynch and not many were interested in switching. So perhaps i'll check into him tonight. As for kmatts forced 5D chesboard joke, I think the key to the BTDT RB being genuine or planned comes down to this "check" going to re-read darthfoley case on btdt from day1
I don't quite understand what the RB has to do with that "check"
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On January 28 2018 08:34 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2018 08:11 mderg wrote:On January 28 2018 08:05 Mocsta wrote:On January 24 2018 03:12 Damerion wrote:
I think BTDT could be scum, there might be a reason to check into him a bit more. DarthFoley could of been distancing himself slightly or just trying to save himself when he voted but doubtful when I think Damdred was the lynch and not many were interested in switching. So perhaps i'll check into him tonight. As for kmatts forced 5D chesboard joke, I think the key to the BTDT RB being genuine or planned comes down to this "check" going to re-read darthfoley case on btdt from day1 I don't quite understand what the RB has to do with that "check" why check btdt in the first place. if town and RB, knew he would be green so its "early" information if scum and faking RB, knew it would support the cop check even once hes lynched as RB remember, the RB claim came after the cop check Damerion filter seems very constructed and methodical, so its whether the bTDT check lines up with the uncertainty he was trying to express in the thread. kids woken up, so will look into this later. ciao.
I still have no idea where you're actually going with this
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To me it sounds like you care quite a bit about being lynched
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On January 28 2018 13:12 Holyflare wrote:
@mderg: I don't know why you hate me but I'd also like a day by day breakdown of your reads on day 1/2 and during the cop claim. If you can't be fucked I'd like your reads before the cop claim and after it but before Damerion died please. Short sentence on each. Also, when I flip town which wagon will you afk on next?
I don't really want to respond to this but here you go:
Day1
Town
Twat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning
Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way
rsoultin: This should be pretty obvious
Damdred: Didn't think the defense against Damerions's case could be from scum
Kelsier: Looked pretty natural, had him as scum later on for kind of backtracking on pressuring but that was dumb
kmatt: no content
btdt: didn't see anything of note
prplhz: no content
df: looked like he didn't want to stand out with anything
Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred
Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off
Damerion: Damdred case was 100% meta not well applied, insanely tunneled
scum
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Day2
Town
Mocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions
rsoultin: obvious town
btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky
kmatt: no content
prplhz: little content, not voting with rsoultin was strange but I had no idea, if there was some legit backstory for not voting df
Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him
Rels: looked more invested after day1
Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom
Damerion: Didn't change from day1, not much else to offer after damdred case
scum
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Before cop claim
Town
btdt: same as before
Mocsta: same as before
Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion
jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim
kmatt: almost no content
Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason"
Damerion: nothing changed to before
scum
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After cop claim
Town
btdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims
Mocsta: same as before
Rels: same as before
jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made
kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent
Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit
Damerion: no way believing his cop claim
scum
I'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own.
Spent way too much time with this for way too little actual content.
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On January 29 2018 08:49 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:
[Mocsta =>Removed dead people from list]
[b]Day1
Twat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning
Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way
kmatt: no content
btdt: didn't see anything of note
Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred
Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off
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[b]Day2
Mocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions
btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky
kmatt: no content
Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him
Rels: looked more invested after day1
Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom
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[b]Before cop claim
btdt: same as before
Mocsta: same as before
Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion
jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim
kmatt: almost no content
Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason"
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[b]After cop claim
btdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims
Mocsta: same as before
Rels: same as before
jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made
kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent
Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit
I'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own. Hi mderg - Does your kmatt read take into account the HF case on p77? - Im not sure of your point in bold. Firstly, I dont agree with not presenting reads. If its not clear, this cycle my choice of lynch was and is kmatt. I merely have recognised that people need closure on HF to move forward. Silly if you ask me. Secondly, HF is espousing that I joined wagons for my own "hipster" reasons; and you are saying I am jumping on -> implying a "+1". Perhaps relevant, perhaps not: however I can say with all certainty that I have struggled to understand the condensation of thought many players have expressed this game. The best example is HF, where I have fleshed out multiple posts in more specificity -> thinking this has resulted in a different (and more logical) outcome; with HF response being "thats what I said". Lastly, what is a strong read. You yourself do not define any scum reads for the first 3 days? - Lastly, again with the bold. Rels should be just as culpable for jumping onto cases (by sheeping RSoultin with blatant +1) IIRC this is why he jumped off Damdred wagon. This is why he voted Damerion. Further, the more and more invested is simply a yelling match to HF. Im not sure why he and I are treated differently, yet, kmatt who is "lack of content' gets a free pass.
I did not say you weren't presenting any reads. I do not remember you having a scumread on anyone who didn't have a case on him already. If that's wrong, it's because I was too lazy to check your whole filter today when hf was always gonna be lynched.
I'm also pretty sure I did present scumreads for the first 3 days.
The impression I've got from Rels is different than the one from you. Partly because I'm biased as he had similar reads to me over the course of the game. Funnily enough I had Rels as scummy at the start of the game for similar reasons to you.
Also "but he did the same" is not always the most convinving argument.
And where does kmatt get a free pass? He has a decent chance of flipping scum based purely on poe. Can I say anything about his play besides providing very little information and reasoning of his reads? No.
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On January 29 2018 10:01 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2018 09:39 mderg wrote:On January 29 2018 08:49 Mocsta wrote:On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:
[Mocsta =>Removed dead people from list]
[b]Day1
Twat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning
Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way
kmatt: no content
btdt: didn't see anything of note
Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred
Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off
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[b]Day2
Mocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions
btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky
kmatt: no content
Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him
Rels: looked more invested after day1
Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom
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[b]Before cop claim
btdt: same as before
Mocsta: same as before
Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion
jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim
kmatt: almost no content
Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason"
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After cop claim
btdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims
Mocsta: same as before
Rels: same as before
jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made
kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent
Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit
I'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own. Hi mderg - Does your kmatt read take into account the HF case on p77? - Im not sure of your point in bold. Firstly, I dont agree with not presenting reads. If its not clear, this cycle my choice of lynch was and is kmatt. I merely have recognised that people need closure on HF to move forward. Silly if you ask me. Secondly, HF is espousing that I joined wagons for my own "hipster" reasons; and you are saying I am jumping on -> implying a "+1". Perhaps relevant, perhaps not: however I can say with all certainty that I have struggled to understand the condensation of thought many players have expressed this game. The best example is HF, where I have fleshed out multiple posts in more specificity -> thinking this has resulted in a different (and more logical) outcome; with HF response being "thats what I said". Lastly, what is a strong read. You yourself do not define any scum reads for the first 3 days? - Lastly, again with the bold. Rels should be just as culpable for jumping onto cases (by sheeping RSoultin with blatant +1) IIRC this is why he jumped off Damdred wagon. This is why he voted Damerion. Further, the more and more invested is simply a yelling match to HF. Im not sure why he and I are treated differently, yet, kmatt who is "lack of content' gets a free pass. I did not say you weren't presenting any reads. I do not remember you having a scumread on anyone who didn't have a case on him already. If that's wrong, it's because I was too lazy to check your whole filter today when hf was always gonna be lynched. I'm also pretty sure I did present scumreads for the first 3 days. That is incorrect and also an unfair representation of this game. Being good town is about recognising a good case - whether generated by yourself or others. Lastly, it was your condensed list of reads in the original post that declared no scum reads throughout all day cycles. Show nested quote +The impression I've got from Rels is different than the one from you. Partly because I'm biased as he had similar reads to me over the course of the game. Funnily enough I had Rels as scummy at the start of the game for similar reasons to you.
Also "but he did the same" is not always the most convinving argument. Argument was not the intent. That was raised to extract further information. Show nested quote +And where does kmatt get a free pass? He has a decent chance of flipping scum based purely on poe. [b]Can I say anything about his play besides providing very little information and reasoning of his reads? No. Part in bold is congruent with list post. Part in red was not - at least to me.
Sheeping is a part of being a good townie but it did not look like you were carefully considering which cases were good. It's also unusual for town to only latch onto reads others made.
I think you read my post wrong, if you didn't find any scumreads.
kmatt doesn't look particularly townie, so that alone puts him in the scummy category. Lots of the points against kmatt could be explained by him just not being here for most of the game, thus not forming well reasoned reads.
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On January 29 2018 14:49 Mocsta wrote:After re-reading the game: I struggle to consider a world where JAT, Rels, mderg are not town. That leaves Kmatt & BTDT as the last two. I am certain that a Kmatt lynch will close this game out. Theres nothing more to add here, since Kmatt has done nothing more since.
The dark-horse if LYLO did arise is BTDT. Yes - It is likely he that he was RB'd (as town)
However, I refer to dark-horse as my world above is too strong; and without the RB, no one would think BTDT play is indicative of weak-town, let alone confirmed. Some food for thought if it gets there - Voted Day2, but didnt release RB information until fake-claim
- Actively scum read by town leaders early-phase (e.g. RSoultin)
- DF was forced to follow-through with BTDT, because RSoultin was pressuring him due to his alternative scum read on me. Note he goes into significantly more detail trying to convince the thread I am scum compared to his efforts with BTDT
- BTDT is a mafia-alignment award winner for sick bus plays
btdt hasn't been shitting town rainbows, that's definitely correct. Most of his town credit is down to the votes and his rb claim. I highly doubt mafia would plan the rb thing night1, so that would leave host error or mafia forgetting to rb night1 and then just rolling with it for night2. While I can imagine that happening, I don't want to think too much about it at this point in time.
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On January 29 2018 20:55 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2018 17:32 justanothertownie wrote:On January 29 2018 14:49 Mocsta wrote:After re-reading the game: I struggle to consider a world where JAT, Rels, mderg are not town. That leaves Kmatt & BTDT as the last two. I am certain that a Kmatt lynch will close this game out. Theres nothing more to add here, since Kmatt has done nothing more since.
The dark-horse if LYLO did arise is BTDT. Yes - It is likely he that he was RB'd (as town)
However, I refer to dark-horse as my world above is too strong; and without the RB, no one would think BTDT play is indicative of weak-town, let alone confirmed. Some food for thought if it gets there - Voted Day2, but didnt release RB information until fake-claim
- Actively scum read by town leaders early-phase (e.g. RSoultin)
- DF was forced to follow-through with BTDT, because RSoultin was pressuring him due to his alternative scum read on me. Note he goes into significantly more detail trying to convince the thread I am scum compared to his efforts with BTDT
- BTDT is a mafia-alignment award winner for sick bus plays
I would really love to hear those reasons to townread mderg and Rels that are stronger than the rb thing. Unfortunately, i dont have any time tonight to go into further detail. TLDR is that I went back to Day1 as this was the most natural day. All the other ones had events that are difficult to discern motive: e.g. prplhz lynch; cop-claim; predetermined lynch. Day1 has some really quirky/interesting interactions between DF/Damerion and remaining player group.mderg has been lone wolf all game; and I dont see how this play carries a team to victory. it relies on lots of luck. I stand by hipster townie. Rels I will try to flesh out more in the morning if i get time. One caveat is that I have yet to read former games whether either player has been mafia. mderg did say he can be top-tier scum so i am curious if knowledge of townies changes his playstyle dramatically instead of being a "wanderer" in this game. I agree BTDT is a non-issue unless LYLO presents; and I dont think its of benefit to discuss him further. I more raised that as item of note if it gets that far.
My top tier scum comment should not be taken too seriously. While I consider myself better scum than town the comment was more about rsoultin picking out by far my worst scum game. That could have led to an incorrect meta of me being a godawful scum player.
I've had one scum game where I did play some hipster scum playstyle similar to what this would be. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?user=mderg
I also used a fake rb claim to lead town astray in that game, similar to what btdt might be doing.
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Seems like things got a bit more interesting. Koshi with a pretty good first impression
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I guess I'll have to reread Mocsta and Rels over the course of the day but I'm lazy, so I will probably not manage to finish that today.
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I was pretty busy today but I'll be solving the game now
On January 31 2018 07:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 05:59 mderg wrote:On January 20 2018 05:47 darthfoley wrote:On January 20 2018 05:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:
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Priority #2: Other comments of interest
Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).
Am i wrong to expect more?
Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.
mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless. How is any of this vague? If this a genuine opinion from you, I need you to explain it. Because right now it seems like you decided to keep calling him scum and hastily constructed an answer that you yourself can't support without making vague claims that I see no factual grounds for. Yes he gives a little nibble here or there of a conclusion but he leaves so much wiggle room for backing off. I don't know why this point is so hard for you to understand and why you disagree so vehemently. It looks like typical light shade throwing without much commitment. For example, "mderg used hyperbole" I think can be read either way. Town use hyperbole all the time but in different ways than mafia. I'm moving on from this because I've explained myself and if you still don't get it then I guess we just fundamentally disagree on the issue at hand. The wiggle room tuff would make me scum in 90% of my games, which makes me dislike that reasoning You didn't seem to wiggle much this game though ?
Probably because I want to change that a bit as similar reasons were often mentioned to scumread me in the past.
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On January 31 2018 07:59 Koshi wrote:
Well. If mderg is mafia he played well. If he is town he played even better.
Can't lynch the guy unless lylo. And even then...
Dnu who I would pick out of Mocsta and mderg.
legit hard choice.
Rels pocketing is much better than yours because it's way more subtle. Rereading his filter right now.
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I still don't like Rels' day1. Throwing around lots of suspicion, not following up with much substance. Pressure on df was kind of half-assed. Ended up hopping between the two town wagons. Would still lynch day1.
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On January 31 2018 08:40 mderg wrote:
I still don't like Rels' day1. Throwing around lots of suspicion, not following up with much substance. Pressure on df was kind of half-assed. Ended up hopping between the two town wagons. Would still lynch day1.
Day2 looks ok but not impressive because of lack of content. Sheeped rsoultin's damerion case. Not too much town cred, though because he could probably have switched to prplhz without much trouble.
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On January 31 2018 08:48 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 08:40 mderg wrote:
I still don't like Rels' day1. Throwing around lots of suspicion, not following up with much substance. Pressure on df was kind of half-assed. Ended up hopping between the two town wagons. Would still lynch day1. Day2 looks ok but not impressive because of lack of content. Sheeped rsoultin's damerion case. Not too much town cred, though because he could probably have switched to prplhz without much trouble.
Started the "twat might be scum" movement that went through the thread in night2. Reasoning behind that didn't look that great, backed off after a short time.
Damerion lynch was almost a foregone conclusion, starts holy crusade against Hf.
Would be sensible scum play, if we add some narrative.
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On January 31 2018 09:03 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 08:48 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 08:40 mderg wrote:
I still don't like Rels' day1. Throwing around lots of suspicion, not following up with much substance. Pressure on df was kind of half-assed. Ended up hopping between the two town wagons. Would still lynch day1. Day2 looks ok but not impressive because of lack of content. Sheeped rsoultin's damerion case. Not too much town cred, though because he could probably have switched to prplhz without much trouble. Started the "twat might be scum" movement that went through the thread in night2. Reasoning behind that didn't look that great, backed off after a short time. Damerion lynch was almost a foregone conclusion, starts holy crusade against Hf. Would be sensible scum play, if we add some narrative.
night3 and day4 are mostly spent on trying to get Hf lynched, some defending of kmatt (mostly to get the Hf lynch, though)
Overall not as much town as I thought in his filter.
Gonna read Mocsta tomorrow
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On January 31 2018 18:15 Rels wrote:
I beginning to think it's mderg. Always cold logical throughout the whole game. Pocketed me for that all game. But always behind someone's lynch. Always agreeing with someone else, and pushing without taking risks. Damerion with rsoul D2, Damerion with everyone else D3, HF with me D4. With Kmatt as a backup. And now that I'm under attack, that's my turn. That would make sense.
The moment I stop having you as 99% town you leave my side
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On January 31 2018 19:32 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 19:29 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 18:15 Rels wrote:
I beginning to think it's mderg. Always cold logical throughout the whole game. Pocketed me for that all game. But always behind someone's lynch. Always agreeing with someone else, and pushing without taking risks. Damerion with rsoul D2, Damerion with everyone else D3, HF with me D4. With Kmatt as a backup. And now that I'm under attack, that's my turn. That would make sense. The moment I stop having you as 99% town you leave my side the moment I start being lynchable you leave my side bro
I was never by your side, though. I simply had a townread on you, you seemed to notice my hidden genius.
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Taking a look at Mocsta now
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On January 31 2018 20:18 mderg wrote:
Taking a look at Mocsta now
Not the most impressive day1, some pressure on df but latched onto the damdred wagon. I don't particularly like his reasons for voting damdred. Took a very strong stance on df being scum in night1, though.
Lots of long-winded explanations throughout the whole game which often made me struggle to see where he's going.
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On January 31 2018 20:31 mderg wrote:Not the most impressive day1, some pressure on df but latched onto the damdred wagon. I don't particularly like his reasons for voting damdred. Took a very strong stance on df being scum in night1, though. Lots of long-winded explanations throughout the whole game which often made me struggle to see where he's going.
Did have more proper reads than I remembered, it's just the votes that go to the easy wagons to jump on.
Day2 was talking about lots of things but put his vote on prplhz without talking that much about him. Not that there was much to be said about prlphz, little content, looked pretty scummy.
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On January 31 2018 20:48 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 20:31 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 20:18 mderg wrote:
Taking a look at Mocsta now Not the most impressive day1, some pressure on df but latched onto the damdred wagon. I don't particularly like his reasons for voting damdred. Took a very strong stance on df being scum in night1, though. Lots of long-winded explanations throughout the whole game which often made me struggle to see where he's going. Did have more proper reads than I remembered, it's just the votes that go to the easy wagons to jump on. Day2 was talking about lots of things but put his vote on prplhz without talking that much about him. Not that there was much to be said about prlphz, little content, looked pretty scummy.
Day3 was hard to follow his thought process, lots of theorizing, some defending of Damerion but not really committing to it. Was convinced of Damerion's scumminess by jat.
"Sheeped" Hf on kmatt. I kind of liked him going against the thread to lynch kmatt over hf. Didn't particularly like the "everyone who cares is probably" town line of reasoning.
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On January 31 2018 21:03 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 20:48 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 20:31 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 20:18 mderg wrote:
Taking a look at Mocsta now Not the most impressive day1, some pressure on df but latched onto the damdred wagon. I don't particularly like his reasons for voting damdred. Took a very strong stance on df being scum in night1, though. Lots of long-winded explanations throughout the whole game which often made me struggle to see where he's going. Did have more proper reads than I remembered, it's just the votes that go to the easy wagons to jump on. Day2 was talking about lots of things but put his vote on prplhz without talking that much about him. Not that there was much to be said about prlphz, little content, looked pretty scummy. Day3 was hard to follow his thought process, lots of theorizing, some defending of Damerion but not really committing to it. Was convinced of Damerion's scumminess by jat. "Sheeped" Hf on kmatt. I kind of liked him going against the thread to lynch kmatt over hf. Didn't particularly like the "everyone who cares is probably" town line of reasoning.
Day4 was kind of dead, Mocsta wanted kmatt over hf lynch. Not sure why he voted hf, though.
Overall a decent amount of prodding, some good posts and thoughts, often missing direction, difficult to follow his thought process.
The things he said were townie, the things he did a bit less so.
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On January 31 2018 21:48 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:On January 28 2018 13:12 Holyflare wrote:
@mderg: I don't know why you hate me but I'd also like a day by day breakdown of your reads on day 1/2 and during the cop claim. If you can't be fucked I'd like your reads before the cop claim and after it but before Damerion died please. Short sentence on each. Also, when I flip town which wagon will you afk on next? I don't really want to respond to this but here you go: Day1
TownTwat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way rsoultin: This should be pretty obvious Damdred: Didn't think the defense against Damerions's case could be from scum Kelsier: Looked pretty natural, had him as scum later on for kind of backtracking on pressuring but that was dumb kmatt: no content btdt: didn't see anything of note prplhz: no content df: looked like he didn't want to stand out with anything Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off Damerion: Damdred case was 100% meta not well applied, insanely tunneled scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Day2
TownMocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions rsoultin: obvious town btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky kmatt: no content prplhz: little content, not voting with rsoultin was strange but I had no idea, if there was some legit backstory for not voting df Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him Rels: looked more invested after day1 Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom Damerion: Didn't change from day1, not much else to offer after damdred case scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Before cop claim
Townbtdt: same as before Mocsta: same as before Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim kmatt: almost no content Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason" Damerion: nothing changed to before scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ After cop claim
Townbtdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims Mocsta: same as before Rels: same as before jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit Damerion: no way believing his cop claim scumI'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own. Spent way too much time with this for way too little actual content. that's my current problem with you mderg. Your reads always perfectly aligns with town consensus at all points. Since D1 is over, you have had very clear view of the game without your reads changing at all, but you didn't do anything. You were just here without making any waves. D1 was actualyl your most chaotic day. But to end it you were passively OK with a BTDT lynch. D2 you agree rsoul's case was good and voted him. Even though you scumread HF, while keeping a normal scumrad on the lynchbaits (Kmatt & prp) for activity: Show nested quote +On January 21 2018 20:03 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:47 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:14 mderg wrote:Taking a look at the votes:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
I think we can clear btdt because df voting him makes no sense here, if they're both scum. One vote switch would get btdt lynched. Similarly we can clear rsoultin on the df wagon. That's not telling us anything new, though. I also think Mocsta is town based on his interactions with df. So this is where I'm at:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
That leaves us with: TheTwatyEvildoer: Looked pretty townish to me but then dropped off the face of the earth, wouldn't lynch right now, though Kmatt: Could be scum could be town but how do you honestly read him at this point? Damerion: Didn't like his case and tunnel on Damdred. Did look somewhat close to his usual town game but with some differences. Would lynch. Rels: Didn't like him at the start, felt better later on. Switching between two town wagons at the end would be plausible as scum. Could imagine lynching him. prplhz: No idea how to read him from his posts. Probably not scum together with Rels because I don't think all 3 scum would be on the same wagon. Holyflare: Felt more like hf but his reads look like how mafia would want to lynch. Would lynch. mderg: I'm obviously town Kmatt, alone of the afk'd players, was actually active around the lynch without voting. What does that say to you? Regarding rels, what is it that makes you think he could be scum? Switching between two town lynches doesn't make him town, sure, and could be staged. But there's also little incentive for scum to care in that situation. For that matter, me not voting to save Damdred could be considered scummy. I know that I was a boob writing a post while the vote changes happened, but you don't know that that's true or not. You don't agree with me that prp saying he'll vote with me and then not voting with me on scum darth foley looks scummy? Why not? It honestly doesn't tell me much about kmatt, what should it tell me? I've just now skimmed through his filter and have to say that it looks a bit different from what I thought it looked like. Pressure on df and hf looks good. Doesn't like damerion. Would be stupid to lynch him at this point. I don't know about prplhz. I don't know enough about him and df as players to judge how much sense his reasoning made. I definitely wouldn't play like that as town, though. Namely, if you townread Damdred and you're here the last 24 hours of the day phase multiple times, why do you not vote when Damdred is leading the votes? I don't get that. It almost falls into the scum need to be right without feeling the need to actually do anything about it (i.e. save a townread). What gives me pause is the wagon on darthfoley but...I don't think we ever had enough to actually lynch df yesterday. ^ That combination for me shifts him to the scummy side of null. Not top priority, but clearly I think that people should be able to read something into his play here and actually have opinions on it. That's why I asked you. I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at. D3 you agreed Damerion was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D4 you agreed HF was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D5 now that Koshi is becoming a town force, you're investigating me and Mocsta. You're following the town consensus. So clean and logical. I think you're scum. You being scum and being cold logical and following a "follow town leader and don't make waves" make sense. A lot more than Kmatt going against town consensus, a lot more than Koshi franatically rereading stuff, a lot more than Mocsta being annoyed at different points in the game for no reason.
How am I always following town consensus, when my reads haven't changed since day1? No need to make any big waves, if town consensus already aligns with my reads.
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On January 31 2018 22:37 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 22:26 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 21:48 Rels wrote:On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:On January 28 2018 13:12 Holyflare wrote:
@mderg: I don't know why you hate me but I'd also like a day by day breakdown of your reads on day 1/2 and during the cop claim. If you can't be fucked I'd like your reads before the cop claim and after it but before Damerion died please. Short sentence on each. Also, when I flip town which wagon will you afk on next? I don't really want to respond to this but here you go: Day1
TownTwat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way rsoultin: This should be pretty obvious Damdred: Didn't think the defense against Damerions's case could be from scum Kelsier: Looked pretty natural, had him as scum later on for kind of backtracking on pressuring but that was dumb kmatt: no content btdt: didn't see anything of note prplhz: no content df: looked like he didn't want to stand out with anything Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off Damerion: Damdred case was 100% meta not well applied, insanely tunneled scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Day2
TownMocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions rsoultin: obvious town btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky kmatt: no content prplhz: little content, not voting with rsoultin was strange but I had no idea, if there was some legit backstory for not voting df Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him Rels: looked more invested after day1 Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom Damerion: Didn't change from day1, not much else to offer after damdred case scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Before cop claim
Townbtdt: same as before Mocsta: same as before Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim kmatt: almost no content Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason" Damerion: nothing changed to before scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ After cop claim
Townbtdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims Mocsta: same as before Rels: same as before jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit Damerion: no way believing his cop claim scumI'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own. Spent way too much time with this for way too little actual content. that's my current problem with you mderg. Your reads always perfectly aligns with town consensus at all points. Since D1 is over, you have had very clear view of the game without your reads changing at all, but you didn't do anything. You were just here without making any waves. D1 was actualyl your most chaotic day. But to end it you were passively OK with a BTDT lynch. D2 you agree rsoul's case was good and voted him. Even though you scumread HF, while keeping a normal scumrad on the lynchbaits (Kmatt & prp) for activity: On January 21 2018 20:03 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:47 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:14 mderg wrote:Taking a look at the votes:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
I think we can clear btdt because df voting him makes no sense here, if they're both scum. One vote switch would get btdt lynched. Similarly we can clear rsoultin on the df wagon. That's not telling us anything new, though. I also think Mocsta is town based on his interactions with df. So this is where I'm at:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
That leaves us with: TheTwatyEvildoer: Looked pretty townish to me but then dropped off the face of the earth, wouldn't lynch right now, though Kmatt: Could be scum could be town but how do you honestly read him at this point? Damerion: Didn't like his case and tunnel on Damdred. Did look somewhat close to his usual town game but with some differences. Would lynch. Rels: Didn't like him at the start, felt better later on. Switching between two town wagons at the end would be plausible as scum. Could imagine lynching him. prplhz: No idea how to read him from his posts. Probably not scum together with Rels because I don't think all 3 scum would be on the same wagon. Holyflare: Felt more like hf but his reads look like how mafia would want to lynch. Would lynch. mderg: I'm obviously town Kmatt, alone of the afk'd players, was actually active around the lynch without voting. What does that say to you? Regarding rels, what is it that makes you think he could be scum? Switching between two town lynches doesn't make him town, sure, and could be staged. But there's also little incentive for scum to care in that situation. For that matter, me not voting to save Damdred could be considered scummy. I know that I was a boob writing a post while the vote changes happened, but you don't know that that's true or not. You don't agree with me that prp saying he'll vote with me and then not voting with me on scum darth foley looks scummy? Why not? It honestly doesn't tell me much about kmatt, what should it tell me? I've just now skimmed through his filter and have to say that it looks a bit different from what I thought it looked like. Pressure on df and hf looks good. Doesn't like damerion. Would be stupid to lynch him at this point. I don't know about prplhz. I don't know enough about him and df as players to judge how much sense his reasoning made. I definitely wouldn't play like that as town, though. Namely, if you townread Damdred and you're here the last 24 hours of the day phase multiple times, why do you not vote when Damdred is leading the votes? I don't get that. It almost falls into the scum need to be right without feeling the need to actually do anything about it (i.e. save a townread). What gives me pause is the wagon on darthfoley but...I don't think we ever had enough to actually lynch df yesterday. ^ That combination for me shifts him to the scummy side of null. Not top priority, but clearly I think that people should be able to read something into his play here and actually have opinions on it. That's why I asked you. I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at. D3 you agreed Damerion was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D4 you agreed HF was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D5 now that Koshi is becoming a town force, you're investigating me and Mocsta. You're following the town consensus. So clean and logical. I think you're scum. You being scum and being cold logical and following a "follow town leader and don't make waves" make sense. A lot more than Kmatt going against town consensus, a lot more than Koshi franatically rereading stuff, a lot more than Mocsta being annoyed at different points in the game for no reason. How am I always following town consensus, when my reads haven't changed since day1? No need to make any big waves, if town consensus already aligns with my reads. that's the scummy part. Your reads EOD1 perfectly aligned what happened in the future days. It seems too calculated to be true.
So I almost perfectly predicted who was going to be pressured and lynched in the future with barely any mafia thread presence? Sounds reasonable to me.
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On January 31 2018 22:44 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 20:29 justanothertownie wrote:On January 31 2018 18:53 Koshi wrote:On January 19 2018 21:04 mderg wrote:On January 19 2018 20:39 KelsierSC wrote:
I guess BTDT works as a lynch . I suppose he has a high chance of flipping scum.
Mderg you are here , what do you think about a BTDT lynch? I could consolidate on a btdt lynch Hmm mderg plays good as mafia. Knows when to back off from bussing if the opportunity arises. Dont know if this wagon happened. But mderg is good at not overcommiting to the bus. Blahhhh I cant lynch somebody like this. Like maybe in lylo or if JAT told me. On January 31 2018 20:28 Koshi wrote:
Dont worry guys. JAT will solve the game. Maybe it isn't town Koshi after all :/ Koshi.. I think you need to vote JAT as per your math rules :/ im stuck, tired, and kid is having trouble sleeping. going to unvote i will be back at least 1hr before deadline my gut is still saying koshi is the right lynch my head is saying.. rels and mderg only started looking into eachotehr once koshi mentioned pocketing... but i still find rels day1 DF interactions very peculiar. i have to sleep on this. ##Unvote
Koshi certainly did a good job getting attention away from himself. I would have reread Rels and you regardless of Koshi mentioning pocketing, though.
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On January 31 2018 22:59 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 22:55 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:37 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:26 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 21:48 Rels wrote:On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:On January 28 2018 13:12 Holyflare wrote:
@mderg: I don't know why you hate me but I'd also like a day by day breakdown of your reads on day 1/2 and during the cop claim. If you can't be fucked I'd like your reads before the cop claim and after it but before Damerion died please. Short sentence on each. Also, when I flip town which wagon will you afk on next? I don't really want to respond to this but here you go: Day1
TownTwat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way rsoultin: This should be pretty obvious Damdred: Didn't think the defense against Damerions's case could be from scum Kelsier: Looked pretty natural, had him as scum later on for kind of backtracking on pressuring but that was dumb kmatt: no content btdt: didn't see anything of note prplhz: no content df: looked like he didn't want to stand out with anything Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off Damerion: Damdred case was 100% meta not well applied, insanely tunneled scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Day2
TownMocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions rsoultin: obvious town btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky kmatt: no content prplhz: little content, not voting with rsoultin was strange but I had no idea, if there was some legit backstory for not voting df Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him Rels: looked more invested after day1 Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom Damerion: Didn't change from day1, not much else to offer after damdred case scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Before cop claim
Townbtdt: same as before Mocsta: same as before Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim kmatt: almost no content Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason" Damerion: nothing changed to before scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ After cop claim
Townbtdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims Mocsta: same as before Rels: same as before jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit Damerion: no way believing his cop claim scumI'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own. Spent way too much time with this for way too little actual content. that's my current problem with you mderg. Your reads always perfectly aligns with town consensus at all points. Since D1 is over, you have had very clear view of the game without your reads changing at all, but you didn't do anything. You were just here without making any waves. D1 was actualyl your most chaotic day. But to end it you were passively OK with a BTDT lynch. D2 you agree rsoul's case was good and voted him. Even though you scumread HF, while keeping a normal scumrad on the lynchbaits (Kmatt & prp) for activity: On January 21 2018 20:03 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:47 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:14 mderg wrote:
Taking a look at the votes:
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I think we can clear btdt because df voting him makes no sense here, if they're both scum. One vote switch would get btdt lynched.
Similarly we can clear rsoultin on the df wagon. That's not telling us anything new, though.
I also think Mocsta is town based on his interactions with df.
So this is where I'm at:
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That leaves us with:
TheTwatyEvildoer: Looked pretty townish to me but then dropped off the face of the earth, wouldn't lynch right now, though
Kmatt: Could be scum could be town but how do you honestly read him at this point?
Damerion: Didn't like his case and tunnel on Damdred. Did look somewhat close to his usual town game but with some differences. Would lynch.
Rels: Didn't like him at the start, felt better later on. Switching between two town wagons at the end would be plausible as scum. Could imagine lynching him.
prplhz: No idea how to read him from his posts. Probably not scum together with Rels because I don't think all 3 scum would be on the same wagon.
Holyflare: Felt more like hf but his reads look like how mafia would want to lynch. Would lynch.
mderg: I'm obviously town Kmatt, alone of the afk'd players, was actually active around the lynch without voting. What does that say to you? Regarding rels, what is it that makes you think he could be scum? Switching between two town lynches doesn't make him town, sure, and could be staged. But there's also little incentive for scum to care in that situation. For that matter, me not voting to save Damdred could be considered scummy. I know that I was a boob writing a post while the vote changes happened, but you don't know that that's true or not. You don't agree with me that prp saying he'll vote with me and then not voting with me on scum darth foley looks scummy? Why not? It honestly doesn't tell me much about kmatt, what should it tell me? I've just now skimmed through his filter and have to say that it looks a bit different from what I thought it looked like. Pressure on df and hf looks good. Doesn't like damerion. Would be stupid to lynch him at this point. I don't know about prplhz. I don't know enough about him and df as players to judge how much sense his reasoning made. I definitely wouldn't play like that as town, though. Namely, if you townread Damdred and you're here the last 24 hours of the day phase multiple times, why do you not vote when Damdred is leading the votes? I don't get that. It almost falls into the scum need to be right without feeling the need to actually do anything about it (i.e. save a townread). What gives me pause is the wagon on darthfoley but...I don't think we ever had enough to actually lynch df yesterday. ^ That combination for me shifts him to the scummy side of null. Not top priority, but clearly I think that people should be able to read something into his play here and actually have opinions on it. That's why I asked you. I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at. D3 you agreed Damerion was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D4 you agreed HF was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D5 now that Koshi is becoming a town force, you're investigating me and Mocsta. You're following the town consensus. So clean and logical. I think you're scum. You being scum and being cold logical and following a "follow town leader and don't make waves" make sense. A lot more than Kmatt going against town consensus, a lot more than Koshi franatically rereading stuff, a lot more than Mocsta being annoyed at different points in the game for no reason. How am I always following town consensus, when my reads haven't changed since day1? No need to make any big waves, if town consensus already aligns with my reads. that's the scummy part. Your reads EOD1 perfectly aligned what happened in the future days. It seems too calculated to be true. So I almost perfectly predicted who was going to be pressured and lynched in the future with barely any mafia thread presence? Sounds reasonable to me. well, yes you did. That's not even debatable.
No, I didn't. I had scumreads on those people but I did not know they were going to be lynched. Me planning something like that as mafia honestly sounds pretty unlikely.
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On January 31 2018 23:07 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 23:03 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:59 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:55 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:37 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:26 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 21:48 Rels wrote:On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:On January 28 2018 13:12 Holyflare wrote:
@mderg: I don't know why you hate me but I'd also like a day by day breakdown of your reads on day 1/2 and during the cop claim. If you can't be fucked I'd like your reads before the cop claim and after it but before Damerion died please. Short sentence on each. Also, when I flip town which wagon will you afk on next? I don't really want to respond to this but here you go: Day1
TownTwat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way rsoultin: This should be pretty obvious Damdred: Didn't think the defense against Damerions's case could be from scum Kelsier: Looked pretty natural, had him as scum later on for kind of backtracking on pressuring but that was dumb kmatt: no content btdt: didn't see anything of note prplhz: no content df: looked like he didn't want to stand out with anything Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off Damerion: Damdred case was 100% meta not well applied, insanely tunneled scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Day2
TownMocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions rsoultin: obvious town btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky kmatt: no content prplhz: little content, not voting with rsoultin was strange but I had no idea, if there was some legit backstory for not voting df Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him Rels: looked more invested after day1 Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom Damerion: Didn't change from day1, not much else to offer after damdred case scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ Before cop claim
Townbtdt: same as before Mocsta: same as before Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim kmatt: almost no content Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason" Damerion: nothing changed to before scum________________________________________________________________________________________________ After cop claim
Townbtdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims Mocsta: same as before Rels: same as before jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit Damerion: no way believing his cop claim scumI'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own. Spent way too much time with this for way too little actual content. that's my current problem with you mderg. Your reads always perfectly aligns with town consensus at all points. Since D1 is over, you have had very clear view of the game without your reads changing at all, but you didn't do anything. You were just here without making any waves. D1 was actualyl your most chaotic day. But to end it you were passively OK with a BTDT lynch. D2 you agree rsoul's case was good and voted him. Even though you scumread HF, while keeping a normal scumrad on the lynchbaits (Kmatt & prp) for activity: On January 21 2018 20:03 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:47 mderg wrote:
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It honestly doesn't tell me much about kmatt, what should it tell me?
I've just now skimmed through his filter and have to say that it looks a bit different from what I thought it looked like. Pressure on df and hf looks good. Doesn't like damerion. Would be stupid to lynch him at this point.
I don't know about prplhz. I don't know enough about him and df as players to judge how much sense his reasoning made. I definitely wouldn't play like that as town, though. Namely, if you townread Damdred and you're here the last 24 hours of the day phase multiple times, why do you not vote when Damdred is leading the votes? I don't get that. It almost falls into the scum need to be right without feeling the need to actually do anything about it (i.e. save a townread). What gives me pause is the wagon on darthfoley but...I don't think we ever had enough to actually lynch df yesterday. ^ That combination for me shifts him to the scummy side of null. Not top priority, but clearly I think that people should be able to read something into his play here and actually have opinions on it. That's why I asked you. I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at. D3 you agreed Damerion was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D4 you agreed HF was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D5 now that Koshi is becoming a town force, you're investigating me and Mocsta. You're following the town consensus. So clean and logical. I think you're scum. You being scum and being cold logical and following a "follow town leader and don't make waves" make sense. A lot more than Kmatt going against town consensus, a lot more than Koshi franatically rereading stuff, a lot more than Mocsta being annoyed at different points in the game for no reason. How am I always following town consensus, when my reads haven't changed since day1? No need to make any big waves, if town consensus already aligns with my reads. that's the scummy part. Your reads EOD1 perfectly aligned what happened in the future days. It seems too calculated to be true. So I almost perfectly predicted who was going to be pressured and lynched in the future with barely any mafia thread presence? Sounds reasonable to me. well, yes you did. That's not even debatable. No, I didn't. I had scumreads on those people but I did not know they were going to be lynched. Me planning something like that as mafia honestly sounds pretty unlikely. OK you're debating the "predicted" word. I don't know if you really predicted it all, but the fact is, you always sticked to what the town leaders thought at all points. That's why I thought you were so townie at some point.
Would you change your reads when the town leaders seem to be on the same page or would you be reassured that you were right and things are going well?
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On January 31 2018 23:19 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 23:15 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 23:07 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 23:03 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:59 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:55 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 22:37 Rels wrote:On January 31 2018 22:26 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 21:48 Rels wrote:On January 29 2018 07:12 mderg wrote:
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I don't really want to respond to this but here you go:
Day1
Town
Twat/jat: looked very investigative and open with his reasoning
Mocsta: Not quite sure why I felt that way
rsoultin: This should be pretty obvious
Damdred: Didn't think the defense against Damerions's case could be from scum
Kelsier: Looked pretty natural, had him as scum later on for kind of backtracking on pressuring but that was dumb
kmatt: no content
btdt: didn't see anything of note
prplhz: no content
df: looked like he didn't want to stand out with anything
Hf: looked uninvested, didn't like the push on damdred
Rels: jumped on the damdred wagon and fucked off
Damerion: Damdred case was 100% meta not well applied, insanely tunneled
scum
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Day2
Town
Mocsta: Couldn't really see him and df together based on their interactions
rsoultin: obvious town
btdt: df's vote would have been pretty risky
kmatt: no content
prplhz: little content, not voting with rsoultin was strange but I had no idea, if there was some legit backstory for not voting df
Twat/jat: Looked townie at first, then disappeared after some townreads on him
Rels: looked more invested after day1
Hf: Like before but with Kelsier nk wifom
Damerion: Didn't change from day1, not much else to offer after damdred case
scum
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Before cop claim
Town
btdt: same as before
Mocsta: same as before
Rels: looked more and more invested, also voted damerion
jat: did not read any of his posts before the cop claim
kmatt: almost no content
Hf: not changed much, softing blue read and I absolutely hate this, "I'm confirmed town for whatever shitty wifom reason"
Damerion: nothing changed to before
scum
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After cop claim
Town
btdt: almost confirmed town because of rb claims
Mocsta: same as before
Rels: same as before
jat: made sure that Damerion gets lynched despite no counterclaim being made
kmatt: lack of content, reads look a bit inconsistent
Hf: pushing mafia agenda all game and all that shit
Damerion: no way believing his cop claim
scum
I'm not that townie on Mocsta anymore, looked like he jumped on any case that was presented to himand I don't remember him presenting any strong reads of his own.
Spent way too much time with this for way too little actual content. that's my current problem with you mderg. Your reads always perfectly aligns with town consensus at all points. Since D1 is over, you have had very clear view of the game without your reads changing at all, but you didn't do anything. You were just here without making any waves. D1 was actualyl your most chaotic day. But to end it you were passively OK with a BTDT lynch. D2 you agree rsoul's case was good and voted him. Even though you scumread HF, while keeping a normal scumrad on the lynchbaits (Kmatt & prp) for activity: On January 21 2018 20:03 mderg wrote:
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I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at. D3 you agreed Damerion was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D4 you agreed HF was scum and voted him, and didn't do much apart from that. You followed the town consensus. D5 now that Koshi is becoming a town force, you're investigating me and Mocsta. You're following the town consensus. So clean and logical. I think you're scum. You being scum and being cold logical and following a "follow town leader and don't make waves" make sense. A lot more than Kmatt going against town consensus, a lot more than Koshi franatically rereading stuff, a lot more than Mocsta being annoyed at different points in the game for no reason. How am I always following town consensus, when my reads haven't changed since day1? No need to make any big waves, if town consensus already aligns with my reads. that's the scummy part. Your reads EOD1 perfectly aligned what happened in the future days. It seems too calculated to be true. So I almost perfectly predicted who was going to be pressured and lynched in the future with barely any mafia thread presence? Sounds reasonable to me. well, yes you did. That's not even debatable. No, I didn't. I had scumreads on those people but I did not know they were going to be lynched. Me planning something like that as mafia honestly sounds pretty unlikely. OK you're debating the "predicted" word. I don't know if you really predicted it all, but the fact is, you always sticked to what the town leaders thought at all points. That's why I thought you were so townie at some point. Would you change your reads when the town leaders seem to be on the same page or would you be reassured that you were right and things are going well? yeah I can see it's totally bland and non-scummy. The perfect way to play to not get into trouble anytimes. I wouldn't though - I always fight for my lynch. D2 for example, I thought prp was scum. If I was in your position of believing more in a Damerion / HF world, I would have fought harder for Damerion than just voting for him. You, you're just here, with perfect reads that aligns for what's happening in the thread. Not fighting against consensus like Kmatt. Not getting angry at people that don't understand you like Mocsta. Just perfect.
You're completely misrepresenting what I'm saying. The whole conversation was about me just going with the town consensus. Then you start using what I've said as if I was using that as some jusification for not having fought much about my preferred day2 lynch.
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I'll just jump in here at an opportune moment to vote Rels. I don't have anything to add at the moment but I'll be here until deadline.
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interesting turn of events
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I really don't know who I would vote right now
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I'm kind of curious why I'm apparently the one deciding the lynch now
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On February 02 2018 08:06 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2018 08:01 mderg wrote:
I'm kind of curious why I'm apparently the one deciding the lynch now I seriously hope nothing will be decided anytime soon. Play the goddamn game tomorrow. The townies only have to decide between 2 people... Do not go into this day with a fixed view ffs.
That's kind of my issue, koshi is already saying something like "I hope mderg makes the right choice". It's not like I'm confirmed town or anything.
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I feel like I should put in more effort to scream at people in order to convince them of my reads...
On January 18 2018 13:42 Mocsta wrote:Fear not, for I... am a comrade! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
... and why is he speaking so much? Because I can, Because I want to, Because I desire to... @DarthFoley: Why do you ask?Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. Wise words Kmatt. I want to start calling DarthFoley, AxelFoley... get it + Show Spoiler +Beverly Hills Cop reference.
That's why I would have voted you in lylo btw
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Mocsta monologues were a great read. Every scum should do something like that.
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