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On January 24 2018 20:32 Holyflare wrote:
Oh derp maybe I should have read op. Rbs are notified even if player is vanilla. There is also no jk possible.
Specifically by my earlier post I thought btdt was claiming blue since there'd be no other way to know you were rbd unless your power was getting shit on. But they're notified so it's whatever now.
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Also don't particularly want to lynch jat but kmatt seems like a better alternative after Damerion.
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On January 24 2018 21:46 Rels wrote:that explains the weird posts earlier. But I find them passive. Talking about: Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 17:44 Holyflare wrote:On January 24 2018 17:11 justanothertownie wrote:
This is really nice. If people in this game can't read me they just have to take a look at the posts of Twat in the early game. Insanely towny. Even more suspicious how HF instantly puts this slot in his 2 player scum pile at the start of the dayphase. Is it suspicious at all though? Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 17:46 Holyflare wrote:On January 24 2018 16:44 justanothertownie wrote:
Right now I don't really think we should give damerion the luxury of outing a protective role with his fakeclaim depending on how improbable cop+vig already is. You think there's a protective role that healed afk btdt 2 nights in a row? Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 17:47 Holyflare wrote:
Nevermind that healers are almost always nerfed? Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 17:48 Holyflare wrote:
I would still believe btdt over Damerion though after d1 vote count. Like, you just learned that BTDT AND Damerion both claimed blue. This is huge info, one of them is scum! Damerion, who you thought during the night was cop, got counterclaimed! But instead of raging reactions, we got this. It seems very underwhelming for such a realization.
I thought everyone already realised and jat was just a moron. Turns out it was me all along!
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Reading OPs is for chumps and mafia.
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On January 25 2018 01:10 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 06:09 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 06:06 Holyflare wrote:On January 20 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:24 Holyflare wrote:
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Damdred No problem with lynching btdt or damdred. Now you're making noise. Didn't you dislike df before? No I also dislike df but I won't lie and say that I've read anything he's said. Have no problem lynching him but I'm very very sure on damdred. No way he keeps both of these mafia reads for the whole game. So why are you more fine with btdt than df? You didn't seem to be concerned at all about the btdt counterwagon and now you're yelling. Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 06:30 Holyflare wrote:
Hey your accusation is changing. Better get that in check. I had a bit of free time at work previously to skim and see a btdt post where he fucked off said lol mafia and went about working again. Now I'm home with more free time and am posting more.
What you're seemingly saying is that I'm doing mafia things deflecting off df when he's going up for lynch even though I'm saying I don't care if he dies. Even though I've stuck to my same scum reads and have pushed the same things.
Maybe I should be less active instead then? No, I mean you claiming that your difference in behavior to two different counterwagons is related to work is unverifiable. Could you perhaps have only time to read one post and that explains your reaction? Sure. Could it be you are scum and we're now pushing scum so suddenly it's more important to push the counterwagon, i.e. damdred? Sure. There is no way for me to know which of the two it is. It looks suspicious if darth foley flips scum because of that. No more, no less. Feel free to be as active as you like. I'm done with you for now. ^^^^ Interesting observation considering the damdred/darthfoley flips. The question is: is this coincidence and does HF just have a really bad towngame or is he simply mafia?
The town one.
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On January 25 2018 01:14 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2018 01:10 justanothertownie wrote:On January 20 2018 06:09 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 06:06 Holyflare wrote:On January 20 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:24 Holyflare wrote:
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Damdred No problem with lynching btdt or damdred. Now you're making noise. Didn't you dislike df before? No I also dislike df but I won't lie and say that I've read anything he's said. Have no problem lynching him but I'm very very sure on damdred. No way he keeps both of these mafia reads for the whole game. So why are you more fine with btdt than df? You didn't seem to be concerned at all about the btdt counterwagon and now you're yelling. On January 20 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 06:30 Holyflare wrote:
Hey your accusation is changing. Better get that in check. I had a bit of free time at work previously to skim and see a btdt post where he fucked off said lol mafia and went about working again. Now I'm home with more free time and am posting more.
What you're seemingly saying is that I'm doing mafia things deflecting off df when he's going up for lynch even though I'm saying I don't care if he dies. Even though I've stuck to my same scum reads and have pushed the same things.
Maybe I should be less active instead then? No, I mean you claiming that your difference in behavior to two different counterwagons is related to work is unverifiable. Could you perhaps have only time to read one post and that explains your reaction? Sure. Could it be you are scum and we're now pushing scum so suddenly it's more important to push the counterwagon, i.e. damdred? Sure. There is no way for me to know which of the two it is. It looks suspicious if darth foley flips scum because of that. No more, no less. Feel free to be as active as you like. I'm done with you for now. ^^^^ Interesting observation considering the damdred/darthfoley flips. The question is: is this coincidence and does HF just have a really bad towngame or is he simply mafia? I changed my mind a few times regarding this question. But HF total lack of interest when he thought we had a claim / counterclaim situation + him believing Damerion instantly make me think he's scum and just faking this apathy. Cause it's the only thing me and rsoul townread him for.
What was the correct reaction? You have to see it from my perspective tbh. I spend the game looking at Damerion giving him the massive benefit of the doubt and crumbing cop all night so I'm excited that I was actually right. Then btdt claims rb on my way into work and I'm deflated af because I think it's a cc and my ego takes another hit at being wrong so I just auto vote Damerion and go to work (which is super busy) and don't care much more than that.
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On January 25 2018 01:28 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2018 01:26 Rels wrote:On January 25 2018 01:18 justanothertownie wrote:
Well, he is really blatantly pushing mafia agenda eod1. No shame whatsoever. But HF is the guy to do this. What exactly was the reason to townread him? Because in the lead up to the lynch where it was a race between a town and a mafia there is absolutely no apathy to be found. continue to read. And maybe apathy is the wrong choice of words, but it's the fact that his reads are static and haven't changed at all since the beginning of the game. I would expect scum!HF's game to be stronger than this. But now I think HF know this and is abusing it to appear "too scummy to be scum" compared to the expectation of his scum play. If he was town, him accepting Damerion's claim at face value is absolutely dumb. It's not only static reads anymore. Yes, how is a town HF just accepting that claim without a doubt. I do not see it.
Because in a race between town damdred, mafia dathfoley and questionable alignment btdt in which any single one of them could be lynched mafia darthfoley switched to btdt instead of damdred. Compare that to someone under the hammer claiming cop with 2 greens then yeah, not really a contest.
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On January 25 2018 01:32 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2018 01:30 Holyflare wrote:On January 25 2018 01:28 justanothertownie wrote:On January 25 2018 01:26 Rels wrote:On January 25 2018 01:18 justanothertownie wrote:
Well, he is really blatantly pushing mafia agenda eod1. No shame whatsoever. But HF is the guy to do this. What exactly was the reason to townread him? Because in the lead up to the lynch where it was a race between a town and a mafia there is absolutely no apathy to be found. continue to read. And maybe apathy is the wrong choice of words, but it's the fact that his reads are static and haven't changed at all since the beginning of the game. I would expect scum!HF's game to be stronger than this. But now I think HF know this and is abusing it to appear "too scummy to be scum" compared to the expectation of his scum play. If he was town, him accepting Damerion's claim at face value is absolutely dumb. It's not only static reads anymore. Yes, how is a town HF just accepting that claim without a doubt. I do not see it. Because in a race between town damdred, mafia dathfoley and questionable alignment btdt in which any single one of them could be lynched mafia darthfoley switched to btdt instead of damdred. Compare that to someone under the hammer claiming cop with 2 greens then yeah, not really a contest. There was a time where only damerion had claimed and you believed him. That's what I am talking about.
Didn't think vig cop was that unbalanced tbh. Still don't.
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On January 25 2018 02:36 Kmatt wrote:
I don't like lynching Damerion here without a counterclaim. It may not have been the best plan to spill the beans at the moment, but lynching him wins us no information at this point, and is unlikely to flip red (unless there's a counterclaim. Doc, if you're out there, now would be a good time). Even if he gets suppressed the rest of the game, he still votes with the town and/or eats a nightkill. As it stands BTDT or maybe HF are the better lynches.
You don't have to save your godfather lol.
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Couple of things about Damerion:
I don't really have any idea of his mafia reads and why. This is a big flaw in his play.
I don't believe he'd ever check btdt night 2 when btdt was voted by df in the way he was.
I think he is the gf because he didn't think about whether or not any of his green checks were gf.
Kmatt blatant partner.
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Why does there have to be another blue? There's lots of newbie games with just one role. Also if there was a doctor then why would they claim when Damerion is already being lynched? Furthermore they would die tonight and it would be a waste.
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On January 25 2018 04:41 mderg wrote:
Maybe Damerion's reads change things, you never know.
Yes, his reads. What were those again?
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On January 25 2018 06:08 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2018 05:15 Holyflare wrote:On January 25 2018 04:41 mderg wrote:
Maybe Damerion's reads change things, you never know. Yes, his reads. What were those again? Talking about this + Show Spoiler +On January 24 2018 23:18 Damerion wrote:
I have to do my errands but i'll be back in a couple hours to hopefully talk about reads instead of reasoning behind my claim.
It was very much rhetorical.
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No, I actually wanted him to be shot.
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And to actually appear towny "for not shooting him" in a lazy roundabout town way.
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I also got a bit giddy that I may have been correct on his alignment.
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On January 25 2018 07:59 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2018 07:53 Holyflare wrote:
No, I actually wanted him to be shot. since the most likely outcome in that scenario was him being roleblocked, that makes no sense.
Maybe you should think a bit deeper than your current thinking and get behind the actual plan.
If he's town and gets rbd and rsolutin dies:
We know there is no medic and he is almost definitely town cop because they killed the only person in the game that looked really towny without hesitation.
We confirm there's a rber in the game.
If he's mafia and gets "rbd":
They can't use their rb on another power role because it notifies and medic gets to save.
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But apparently my plan was to know that my partner Damerion was fake claiming cop and then use that rb on btdt still so that he could just claim rb anyway :D
and then use that rb claim to think btdt was claiming a role and lynching my partner anyway :D :D :D :D :D
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On January 25 2018 08:05 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2018 08:04 Holyflare wrote:On January 25 2018 07:59 Rels wrote:On January 25 2018 07:53 Holyflare wrote:
No, I actually wanted him to be shot. since the most likely outcome in that scenario was him being roleblocked, that makes no sense. Maybe you should think a bit deeper than your current thinking and get behind the actual plan. If he's town and gets rbd and rsolutin dies: We know there is no medic and he is almost definitely town cop because they killed the only person in the game that looked really towny without hesitation. We confirm there's a rber in the game. If he's mafia and gets "rbd": They can't use their rb on another power role because it notifies and medic gets to save. I can't believe you're arguing you softing the cop resulting in the cop being roleblocked is a good thing.
It is unequivocally a good thing.
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stop posting shitty conclusions and I'll stop entering pointless debate mode
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