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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 26 2018 12:59 GMT
#1143
the fact that I think its OK to RB a separate target, to the Kill already supports there is more than one answer

you guys are bickering over your ideologies of how to play the game right

its stupid.

yes teh fakeclaim is unlikley, but its certainly not 100% confirmed.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 26 2018 13:42 GMT
#1148
The other alternative was they were afraid a medic was out

Like this converdation is ridiculous

Id yoy want ro discuss strategy then weigh all options
Its the definition od tunneled and im glad at least rels can see it

Again
Ifnyou want ro say btdt 99% town go ahead. I tend to agree.

However btst is not 100% confirmed in amy way shape or form
Frankly ita disgraceful to perpetuate that type of non sense to people not reading this as analytically
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 26 2018 13:46 GMT
#1151
Because your statement has an exclusion clause

By definition it is not "confirmed"

I dont give a shit anymore
Bye
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 26 2018 13:47 GMT
#1152
On January 26 2018 22:46 justanothertownie wrote:
It is very very simple.

Mafia either rbed btdt or they for whatever weird and unlikely reason DID NOT USE THEIR ROLEBLOCK AT ALL. Because any rbed townie would have claimed the rb.
precisely

You dont knoe

Yoy are making an educated assumption and feigning thid as a if you had a cop check
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 26 2018 13:49 GMT
#1154
On January 26 2018 22:01 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 21:38 justanothertownie wrote:
They shot Kelsier night 1 and DID NOT roleblock him. Noone else claimed the rb.
-> btdt is town unless they didn't use the rb at all


Smart.

Bullshit

Btdt is town "unless"


Dont say near confirmed....
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 26 2018 13:50 GMT
#1157
I give a shit about this because this type of thinking leads to a self fulfilling prophecy thay hf is lynched tomorrow

Everyone ahould be approaching this day with open eyes and ears
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 26 2018 13:56 GMT
#1160
Ummm no

Open your eyes

In your mind you made a statement about in your words "neae confirmed"

Now one has openly interpretted as 100% confirmed and thenother indicates full agreement via "smart"

Ithink its relevant and will leave that as my last words.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 27 2018 06:27 GMT
#1361
I was probably on the table for you before the game begun lol

I shall indulge you though as i agree that kmatt cant go thrkugh this cycle withoiut updating reads

##vote: kmatt
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 27 2018 14:32 GMT
#1381
On January 27 2018 23:05 Holyflare wrote:
Wouldn't say 100%, there's a chance that they were all afk enough to just not submit actions but it's close enough. The vote from df, the rbs etc etc.

Mderg I dunno, pretty hesitant because reading back on him he's not actually said that much at all and seems to be overplaying his df read but his vote on damerion over pprlhz is pretty good for him. I also felt he was a bit towny on d1. It's weak but it's more than I have for the others.
rels led the damerion vote thay day

Mderg was last on that wagon

Do you tjink rels could have bussed?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 27 2018 14:34 GMT
#1383
On January 27 2018 23:09 Holyflare wrote:
I think Mocsta's reaction to the btdt rb situation looked really bad like he wanted to keep all his options open on who to lynch somehow. Maybe. He's voting to save me so he can't be all that bad.

Fair enough.
Still recovering from sun stroke but i realised today i didnt pick up on vig shot firing meaning no rb sent to kelsier.
All makes sense to me now.

Take it however yoy want
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 27 2018 14:34 GMT
#1385
On January 27 2018 23:34 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 23:32 Mocsta wrote:
On January 27 2018 23:05 Holyflare wrote:
Wouldn't say 100%, there's a chance that they were all afk enough to just not submit actions but it's close enough. The vote from df, the rbs etc etc.

Mderg I dunno, pretty hesitant because reading back on him he's not actually said that much at all and seems to be overplaying his df read but his vote on damerion over pprlhz is pretty good for him. I also felt he was a bit towny on d1. It's weak but it's more than I have for the others.
rels led the damerion vote thay day

Mderg was last on that wagon

Do you tjink rels could have bussed?

Rels did not lead that vote. He saw how I caught damerions fakeclaim and pounced. Which is the correct play regardless of his alignment.
u werent in game

Day2 bro
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 27 2018 22:40 GMT
#1437
On January 28 2018 04:28 justanothertownie wrote:
:/
Just wanted to voice my disagreement with mocstas "rels lead the damerion wagon day2". He just parked his vote there and that's basically it. Same goes for mderg.

i realised that later on too

basically after HF wrote about mderg
i went to his fitler, where nothing specifically indicates a vote
checked vote thread and it stated with rels
then checked rels filter and it was a rsoultin +1

so yes agree, but wasnt worth updating
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 27 2018 22:44 GMT
#1438
On January 28 2018 07:32 beentheredonethat wrote:
If you're not scum I'll probably not sign up with you again because that'll make shit enjoyable for both of us.
thats a better outcome than continuing to throw a vote that way if you dont think JAT is scuml or modkilling

lets not talk about about jat further

why do you think me or mderg may not be town - regardless of cop claim.


Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 27 2018 22:57 GMT
#1440
On January 28 2018 01:09 Kmatt wrote:
Anyway as for the current gamestate.

JaT: Town. Twat was mostly a townread until I started suspecting him towards the end of D1/D2, but JaT has filled the shoes nicely. Also for noticing the BTDT roleblock thing. Only a mafia player managing a 5D chessboard would have thought to fake that so far in advance.
Why do you raise the RB item as a town tell? Setup mechanics as per this discussion can be deciphered from front-page, as enough information was released from NK to all parties.

BTDT: Town by power of claim

Mderg: Not a ton of impact but nothing scummy. A lot of the claims he threw out, especially early seemed a little too bold for typical mafia. Not sure if that's his meta or whatever but I can townread him easily enough.

Rels: A bit of buddying, and definitely goes against the grain by believing in me, but I see it as towny tunneling on HF. If he believes HF is scum then he has to be able to excuse me. Mafia!Rels would be just as happy to have the easy lynch (Me) to be next in line if he knew HF was going to flip green.
What triggers you to feel the tunneling is townie?

Holyflare: still want to lynch him

mcosta: Don't have a hard read on this guy, but while looking over the filter I'll take this minute to claim that there was no ulterior motive to not voting D1. I had been in the thread earlier, hadn't made up my mind on voting, went out to do something that night an checked in on the thread realizing that I didn't actually know when the deadline was.
Also I don't know what his shtick is with the BTDT not-being-confirmed business.
Noted. Its all conjecture regardless (from my PoV).

Do you think Damerion/DarthFoley have any odd interactions with people still alive?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 27 2018 22:59 GMT
#1441
On January 28 2018 07:55 mderg wrote:
I always like to read arguments that have been blown out of proportion on the internet.
c'mon man, thats not helping

btdt and jat clearly have some sort of history, and no need for this to continue bubbling.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 27 2018 23:05 GMT
#1442
On January 24 2018 03:12 Damerion wrote:
I think BTDT could be scum, there might be a reason to check into him a bit more. DarthFoley could of been distancing himself slightly or just trying to save himself when he voted but doubtful when I think Damdred was the lynch and not many were interested in switching. So perhaps i'll check into him tonight.
As for kmatts forced 5D chesboard joke,
I think the key to the BTDT RB being genuine or planned comes down to this "check"

going to re-read darthfoley case on btdt from day1
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 27 2018 23:11 GMT
#1443
hmm the interesting thing is,

DF was the first to call out BTDT
but the last to vote

he even calls people scummy for acknowleding his BTDT post, but then calling DF scummy.

Going to have to re-read Day1 progression now, to see if DF was "forced" to vote that way
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 27 2018 23:34 GMT
#1446
On January 28 2018 08:11 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 08:05 Mocsta wrote:
On January 24 2018 03:12 Damerion wrote:
I think BTDT could be scum, there might be a reason to check into him a bit more. DarthFoley could of been distancing himself slightly or just trying to save himself when he voted but doubtful when I think Damdred was the lynch and not many were interested in switching. So perhaps i'll check into him tonight.
As for kmatts forced 5D chesboard joke,
I think the key to the BTDT RB being genuine or planned comes down to this "check"

going to re-read darthfoley case on btdt from day1

I don't quite understand what the RB has to do with that "check"
why check btdt in the first place.
if town and RB, knew he would be green so its "early" information
if scum and faking RB, knew it would support the cop check even once hes lynched as RB

remember, the RB claim came after the cop check

Damerion filter seems very constructed and methodical, so its whether the bTDT check lines up with the uncertainty he was trying to express in the thread.

kids woken up, so will look into this later.
ciao.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 28 2018 01:26 GMT
#1467
On January 28 2018 10:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 09:45 Holyflare wrote:
Notice how I've not once tried to shift the lynch elsewhere, not once tried to paint anyone in an ultimately scummy light to direct the lynch to them. The only thing I'm doing is asking questions and trying to point things out. If that's a scummy objective to leave a legacy then so be it. Just realise that you're shitting up the wrong tree.

That's not an actual argument though. There's only one scummer left so scum's first goal right there is survival, not active mislynches. As town, you're not supposed to "paint someone scummy". You're supposed to genuinely read a person and try to find out the alignment. You say "I'm pro-town because I am not painting someone else as scummy just to survive". Yeah, okay, granted, but you're also not giving out genuine reads then. If you'll be confirmed by death, why not try to actually convince people into lynching your strongest scumread after you're dead?
But survival is through active mislynches, no?

the issue i have with looking too far beyond that is it fosters a sense of distrust where it may not be necessarily; and in some ways is even detrimental. Our goal is still the same though, end this ASAP. This cycle appears unlikely, so next.

Now, I do think HF is being the most sincere he has been all game.
The tone of everything is quite different at his "deathbed" for lack of a better word.
Its a case of, once I flip, read through knowing you can trust this rational point of view that.

Therefore, the main thing i want to know at this point is who town!holyflare thinks should be primarily finger of suspicion tomorrow.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 28 2018 02:02 GMT
#1481
guys this isnt productive, please take a breather
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