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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 11:10 GMT
#288
That's because there's nothing there!

I just remember knock down drag out bitch fights from him. Clearly not present here.

He says he's eager to play pre-game...where is that after game starts? He's not afk so that's not an explanation.

Don't agree on the holyflare read being good. Though maybe he's played with holyflare more recently than me and that's why. And townreading me this game (except maybe in twatty's case which is actually kind of cute) is hardly insightful.

The mocsta stuff is super weak. In the realm of people shitting on mocsta, which I didn't like in general, his has to be the worst.

On January 19 2018 06:07 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2018 05:05 darthfoley wrote:
On January 19 2018 01:21 Rels wrote:
I also don't like BTDT's first post. Feels weird.
I also don't like rsoul being the Damdred whisperer and being bothered with him but not poking him to get a proper read


Oui mon ami, oui!

connerie, mes amis


^ He was definitely here to have an opinion or comment on...anything. Just anything. Didn't. Although I did just look up the French and now I want to ask him what he was disagreeing with.

I don't put him in the same category as prp and kmatt at all.

Still fine with a darth folely lynch though. Devil's advocate says if BTDT is town he's an easy one to point fingers at, and that was df.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 11:17 GMT
#291
On January 19 2018 20:13 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2018 20:00 rsoultin wrote:
On January 19 2018 19:49 KelsierSC wrote:
Though I disagree with HF on his damdred read, I do want to see more from damdred this day.

Reading through HF's explanation. I could understand that if you were reading a guy as scummy from before. (due to his df/mcosta read) then with that biased you could see his response as panicked.

I thought about the perspective of if I was scum HF/Rels. I think my initial interpretation was wrong.I don't think scum HF and Rels jump on this case and call it good. Especially Rels , if damdred flips town he looks super shady.

I think if Damdred is town then you just soft defend him , in the way I have done tbh, and then look for some random lynch later on, if damdred is lynched then a town goes down and you look good.

I think Mderg did that and maybe df but i'm not 100%.

with btdt I liked something he did early, mentioning the bad read on hf and he read rsoultin as town so I gave him a few plus points. I didn't like his Mcosta is weird with a massive quote post , i'd need to see more though.

At this point i'd lynch between mderg, maybe df then prplhz,kmatt and btdt need to put more into the thread.




To be fair, I think scumRels would be way more likely to do that if there was an alternative lynch going, which there wasn't. It still felt like a half-assed drive-by shooting but I can't say that it makes him scum.

Not feeling a mderg lynch. It's not sparkly but I get a little swimming against the current and a little waffley not sure not sure from his filter that just feels towny to me. Not my strongest read, of course, but I'd rather not lynch him.

Meeeh btdt's filter is just so weak for me. Hold on. I already forgot specifics.


btdt is weak I would agree.

I think df was one of the first people to call him out on that which gives me pause because df is also scummy to me. his post about costa talking to much , I guess his town read of rels makes sense in retrospect if they both think btdt is scummy. but is that enough for a town read...maybe.

df twice talked about the damerion/damdred thing, didnt commit to one side and then tried to get an alternate lynch going. First one he said damerion was being too aggressive or confirmation biased and then said btdt was scum.

then he said he wasn't sure on damdred/damerion and needed to reread, but costa was scum.

basically not committing to anyside and trying to get some alternative lynch going. The costa one especially felt bad.

I think df or btdt is scum though.


Fair. Though Tina's brain goes, well, I've been doing that, too. But I suppose the difference is that I actually have a read on Damdred.

I wish I could say I had strong feels on either of them in terms of preference. Don't really. Let me just double-check df's filter to verify what you've said since my memory sucks before taking it on blind faith.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 11:27 GMT
#294
Eh, don't know. I could see those just being his reads, too, rather than a deflection from damdred/damerion to not have to take a stance. Think I still prefer BTDT?

If anything makes me agree on the mocsta bit as a deflection to not be on the wrong lynch, it's that there isn't much backing it to put his alternative through. Yeah in all honesty I liked it better when I was convinced holyflare was probably scum.

There's just not a lot separating the bottom feeders I'm left with when removing him from the lynch pool to feel overwhelmingly confident about a particular lynch.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 14:51 GMT
#309
On January 19 2018 23:45 Rels wrote:
rsoul is town ez game then


I'm beginning to wonder if everyone is just tryin to butter me up now -_- I need a hit of twatty hate. I started rabbit holing on ksc earlier then just threw up my hands and said fuck it hes on board with me without being a complete yes man.

You. Telling me I'm town is lovely and all but the game would be much easier for me if a town Rels showed face.

"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 15:03 GMT
#313
On January 19 2018 23:59 Rels wrote:
It's strong words for what Mocsta did, IE respond for a post. Then the next posts is Mocsta begings making big posts, and DF don't follow


Tina brains says he made one post Tina. Be cool.

Tina heart says ♡!

That's new. That's right. That's exciting. I may actually have a town rels.

Either coincidence fucked him or he really should have responded to that, shouldn't he?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 15:16 GMT
#317
On January 20 2018 00:10 Rels wrote:
wasn't mderg the real strong scum in a game that he basically won then gave up because he though he cheated ?

I have no clue. I've been living under the sand for awhile while getting my masters.

I thought he was the easy scum catch I picked out in a protoss pick your power game and wasn't worrying about him as a sleeper cell.

Feel similarly about btdt and df....but not completely. Giant post without push doesn't exactly scream that it can't be scum/scum. Giant post on btdt but pushing mocsta anyway diminished the impact of it.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 15:16 GMT
#318
On January 20 2018 00:12 Rels wrote:
oh no thinking of marghell
mderg can be scum as well then


???
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 15:36 GMT
#322
Maybe. Why you? Other than the implicit hes scum your town obvious in that reasoning...I mean you're a strong town player, but you haven't been a force in this game.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 15:59 GMT
#325
On January 20 2018 00:37 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 00:36 rsoultin wrote:
Maybe. Why you? Other than the implicit hes scum your town obvious in that reasoning...I mean you're a strong town player, but you haven't been a force in this game.

dunno. But if it's not that I don't think it's likely he made his first and only big post on his partner - push or not push


Eh it's poor scum play but not uncommon. I take your point though.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 17:25 GMT
#328
Honestly I'd go Darth Foley as easily as btdt at this point. Liked rels' point.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 17:33 GMT
#329
No idea what you're talking about regarding twatty? I see a question to damerion and later responses that seem to take into account damerion's response. What am I missing?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 19:19 GMT
#333
On January 20 2018 03:48 beentheredonethat wrote:
I come here, read just the top of page 17, and it's a btdt wagon. that's scum pushing afk btdt. I've literally been there, done that.

so anything I'm supposed to answer? I'm not catching up rn, im tired.


There's nothing for you to answer because you've done nothing. Which it seems you're still doing. Unless you have something to add? I don't know why you'd think we'd have questions for you when you declare yourself to not be participating.

If it's any consolation, you are not the only one being considered as a counterwagon to damdred -shrugs-

Also just because I want to bitch and I have a forum...

@.@ I can't figure out the stupid participation declaration thing for the Netherlands. It's like some statement saying yes I understand that Dutch people are awesome and I'm declaring my intent to be one of you guys yada yada, but it's supposed to be administered by the municipality and there is literally nothing about it in our municipality except a reference in the law itself in one of the site annexes. I'm already trying to read all of this in Dutch. Why do they have to make this like pulling teeth.

They're already demanding I take the equivalent of citizenship language and civics exams within three years without the benefit of, you know, actual citizenship at the end. Not feeling that 'amazing' Dutch bit at the moment. The dumb part is the law is a reaction to terrorism but the EU laws prevent that sort of discrimination so all of us foreign idiots living here now have to jump through a million hoops.

/rant
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 19:26 GMT
#336
On January 20 2018 04:23 Holyflare wrote:
"I need to read" into nothing and you're all still blind af.


Btdt and Damdred? Why does the whole scum team not just concede then? Pretty dead game for a lynch between two scummers I'd say.

Not that either of them are just shining examples of towniness heh >< I was really interested to see what Damdred would actually say. And also hope I'm not wrong on him cause I don't need a gloating holyflare rubbing it in my face.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 19:27 GMT
#337
Seriously contemplating switching to darth foley just to see if that shakes anything up. Also still really like Rels' point.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 19:39 GMT
#339
On January 20 2018 04:37 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 04:27 rsoultin wrote:
Seriously contemplating switching to darth foley just to see if that shakes anything up. Also still really like Rels' point.


Can you stop talking about me and do it, if you're gonna do it? You've been trying to start a wagon on me for 3 pages without actually starting it.

Either put up or shut up.

I'm back btw


I do what I want Besides, it takes no effort at all to change a vote.

Now do you have anything to contribute, or can I happily ignore you?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 19:39 GMT
#340
But since you're here, where are you on mocsta?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 19:46 GMT
#343
Maybe I should try my beetlejuice powers on Damdred.

Damdred, Damdred, Damdred!

Mocsta please df.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 19:52 GMT
#347
On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:
TL;DR: ##Vote: Damdred
============================
I am concerned...

I am seeing a pattern of people issuing town reads (solely) for being congruent with their reads.

Show nested quote +
Does it really bear repeating: Mafia know who the town is!


============================

If you want me to join the town circle-jerk club.
Fine: There is only one individual that gives me consitently good feelings and that is + Show Spoiler +
TWAT.

Why?

Because whilst mafia and town have the same priorites during Day1 (i.e. establish innocence); I dont believe mafia are capable of consistently simulating in parallel:
- paranoia
- confirmation bias / fixed dichotomy mindset
- willingness to throw out a position


Whilst I dont agree with the conclusions drawn by this player, I dont think the motives are malicious due to the above.

============================

But, I would rather weigh in on nulls and reds.


Priority #1: What to make of damerion/damdred case
  • Case is quite subjective to me, and presents a damned-if-you, damned-if-you-don't argument.
    Acceptable for early Day1 and overall, I catergorise this as a poke.
  • Damdred brushing off the case is only indicative of confidence, rather than alignment
  • Damerion followup is OK given the case/poke premise of meta.
  • Damdred wanting to work together is only indicative of understanding the game mechanics , rather than alignment.

Whilst I have no qualm with Damdred brushing off the case, i do have a problem with how Damdred clings to the mocsta/DF thread sentiment throughout his filter and case response.

"Why doesn't it make sense that they could be scum together (mocsta and DF), they have no real interactions together (yet)...But still a bit much to make a decision either way I suppose. But both are scummy"
"But id be happy just lynching moc today anyway."
"but also seems like a way to change conversation away from DF and moc who I guess you have at null?"

This is wishy washy at best, and non-congruent with the town-play meta argument at worst.

I think a town that is +1 bandwagoning would be more likely to get frustrated during this exchange. Especially in day1 when circles are small, and paranoia can be at its peak.
This is not present at all. Rather, whilst being poked Damdred remains calculated in response; making it even more intrigruing that a firm opinion is held without a firm base. Uncharacteristic of a measured thinker.

Overall, I observe Damdred employing an "appeal to emotion" through reconjuring thread bias without further substantiating or developing it.
Whilst, town is capable of using this (typically under confirmation bias) - at what point can it be deduced that Damdred is experiencing confirmation bias?? At what point can it be deduced that Damdred is poking somone, or laying a trap?

Rather, I prefer the simplest explanation: that an appeal to emotion is a tactic associated with lazy mafia play.

============================

Priority #2: Other comments of interest


Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).
Am i wrong to expect more?

Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.

mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless.


??? darth foley? comments?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 19:54 GMT
#348
On January 20 2018 04:50 darthfoley wrote:
Atm I think BTDT/Mocsta/Kelscier are decent chances to hit scum. Rsoultin as well


Possibly 1 in 4 I'd say. Or Kelsier could just be buddying up to me but whatever I'm buddied for the moment.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 19:56 GMT
#353
On January 20 2018 04:52 Damdred wrote:
*Burp* why have you summined mw


Yeeees. See beetle juice powers! \o/

Weren't you going to, I don't know, play? If you're town (and I still think you are but you're making me doubt in ways I don't like) you're making it hard for me to find a way to not lynch you, you know.

I do not make good cases. I just make a good gnat.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
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