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justanothertownie

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January 26 2018 10:56 GMT

#1099

On January 26 2018 19:49 Holyflare wrote:

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Link a game since I've been working where I've been anything close to past me. You can't because it doesn't exist.

Maybe, but that's really irrelevant. The effort you have shown so far can come from mafia HF regardless of any constraints.

justanothertownie

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January 26 2018 10:59 GMT

#1102

On January 26 2018 19:58 Holyflare wrote:

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That didn't happen at all. I voted Damerion when he got counter claimed. You're creating a false narrative.

Fine.
Why did the vote stay once you realized your error?

justanothertownie

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January 26 2018 11:02 GMT

#1105

On January 26 2018 20:00 Holyflare wrote:

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On January 26 2018 18:29 justanothertownie wrote:

On January 26 2018 16:28 Holyflare wrote:

On January 26 2018 09:55 Kmatt wrote:
No I just can't buy this.

On January 26 2018 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
because if you're not mafia like rels is implying then you'll be next after I die and it would be good to get your reads out in the open you know?

I hate hate hate this post. How on Earth does Town!Holyflare back off now of all times? I don't pretend to have memorized meta, but I just can't accept anything but a full game-ending crusade against me at this point. I'll be the first to admit that my game so far is abysmal. I can't play town for shite to begin with, and this is a particularly foul example. You have every reason to doubt me. And you did! Repeatedly! There was a wall of text a few pages back.

Town!Holyflare has this game served to him on a silver platter. The only thing that happened between then and now is a red flip that you predicted when I defended him to the end. Suddenly Rels calls the banners and now you doubt my scumminess. I could almost see you going full OMGUS and turning on Rels, but you just alluded to him being town too. The only reason someone could reasonably townread me at this point is PoE (which requires a stronger scumread than me, which you didn't have an hour ago) or pure gut.

In case you haven't noticed I've been wrong on almost 100% of things I've said this game. It's also interesting because if you're town how is the game handed to me on a silver platter? That's just going to end in crusade against you and you flipping town and then a crusade against me.

I'm not gonna lie, I already know I'm going to get lynched today because we have jat and rels here who aren't gonna reconsider anything so the least I can do is try and actually figure you out.

You know perfectly well that I always reconsider. Also quit playing the victim. You aligned super hard with mafia and now people are suspicious of you, boohoo. You are better than that. I also never called your Kmatt stuff bad because I think you are mafia. It just does not convince me in a vacuum.

On January 26 2018 17:29 Mocsta wrote:

On January 26 2018 16:51 beentheredonethat wrote:
My suggestion is the following: lynch Holyflare. Should he flip town, let's lynch whoever he scumread.

not a good idea

Game is potentially lylo with a mislynch next cycle

Just because a town holyflare scum reads someone. Doesnt mean they are scum

Frankly i prefer kmatt as a lynch to holyflare

I believe all people present feom day1 to now care too much to be scum. Hf is in this group... being wrong doesnt mean being scummy.

Kmatt has only picked up activity since cop claim which could be a scum teamm all-in play

Further. I havent been convinced that the stuff hf and me picked out aboit kmatt is non scummy

Like people already pointed out you will never lynch mafia HF then.

HF has a lot of time to convince the one of Rels and myself that survives the night if he is town. Starting with some more analysis than "Kmatt is scum" now that we know 2/3 of the mafia team and can look for important interactions would be good. But right now I think it is too dangerous to lynch someone else. I don't think he we can let him live after his blatant agenda pushing this game and I have no confidence that people will lynch him later in the game.

"stop playing the victim, I always reconsider"
"it's too dangerous to lynch someone else"

:D :D :D

Pointless debate engaging noted. There is a reason I wrote "right now" before your second quote.

justanothertownie

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January 26 2018 11:03 GMT

#1106

Pro tip: antagonizing me won't get you any further regardless of your alignment.

justanothertownie

16322 Posts

January 26 2018 11:08 GMT

#1108

On January 26 2018 20:04 Holyflare wrote:

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No, stop conflating your argument. It's called a mistake about the counter claim. There is nothing more to it. After I realised that it wasn't a counter claim then I asked for his reads and he never provided them so I left my vote there.

You're also not even thinking about how I'd come about voting my team mate for a counter claim when you're saying I'm mafia, who knows that rbs are notified, and would have been rbing btdt for two days straight so knew he was going to claim rb at some point (dumbest fucking rb in the entire planet might I add)! So why would I confuse someone claiming rb that I have rbed as a counter claim if I was mafia????

I think it is possible that you never realized rbs were notified regardless of your aligment.

justanothertownie

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January 26 2018 11:26 GMT

#1111

On January 26 2018 20:24 Holyflare wrote:
I'll just say for added wifom that I'd be rbing absolutely everyone that I kill instead of btdt.

That's entirely possible. But if you rb someone other than your kill you definitely rb the same person again.

justanothertownie

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January 26 2018 11:33 GMT

#1112

I mean, it is unlikely that you alone decided the rb target if you are mafia. Maybe damerion did.

justanothertownie

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January 26 2018 11:40 GMT

#1114

On January 26 2018 20:36 Mocsta wrote:

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the only benefit of this is a vet

Mafia can rb themselves too

Wifom indeed

Nah, don't be silly. It is good in case of vet and you do not "confirm" anyone since the targets are notified. It's strictly better than rbing a mafia which noone would do in this situation. It would be really stupid.

The situation here is either btdt is mafia and they actually did rb their kills or btdt is town and they rbed him twice since they thought he could be a powerole.

justanothertownie

16322 Posts

January 26 2018 11:41 GMT

#1116

But considering how the day1 wagons went I doubt btdt is mafia.

justanothertownie

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January 26 2018 11:51 GMT

#1123

Yes, tldr is ignore the rb stuff entirely and focus on actual gameplay.

justanothertownie

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January 26 2018 12:06 GMT

#1127

On January 26 2018 20:52 Rels wrote:
JAT it's a pleasure to play with you again

I think last game we were together was HOLYF**** mafia, which we stomped.

Same. Comments like this make me paranoid though :p

Although I think TL Mafia LXXV was the last time.

justanothertownie

16322 Posts

January 26 2018 12:09 GMT

#1130

On January 26 2018 21:07 Holyflare wrote:

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On January 26 2018 20:44 Rels wrote:

On January 26 2018 20:04 Holyflare wrote:

On January 26 2018 19:59 Rels wrote:

On January 26 2018 19:58 Holyflare wrote:

On January 26 2018 18:24 Rels wrote:

On January 26 2018 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Kmatt has only picked up activity since cop claim which could be a scum teamm all-in play

That makes no sense too. In your scenario, Kmatt tried to save Damerion well after everybody else voted him and thought the claim was fake. It was no an all-in play, it had 0 chance of working. It's way, way more likely that it's just was Kmatt was thinking.

If you're looking for an all-in play from the scum team, I'll give it to you:
- Damerion hints that he's cop during the night
- HF hints that he understands Damerion is blue during the night
- Damerion claims cop during the day, and uses HF's hints to townread HF
- HF backs up Damerion's claim, saying it makes sense
- When the rest of the town don't believe Damerion, he changes his mind

That didn't happen at all. I voted Damerion when he got counter claimed. You're creating a false narrative.

lol. First, the false narrative was you thinking he got counterclaimed. Second, after you realized there was no counter claimed you continued voting him.

since what you're describing is 100% possible to be a fake dumbtell, it doesn't prove anything. You could have made this mistake as town. You could have faked it as scum. Neither is more likely considernig your scum play.

I'm glad you're defending yourself with this argument now so it's used. This is exactly the kind of things that I fear will convince other players if I'm dead tomorrow. @Anyone else: don't be convinced by this.

No, it doesn't prove anything at all but it's my honest thought process. That's all I've done this game is outline my thoughts and how I've behaved and why. If you don't believe it and say I'm mafia then it's whatever but this is a pointless discussion that you always accuse me of because it's my town word vs your narrative about me being mafia.

Like I said, I'm probably going to be lynched but that's absolutely fine, stop wasting your time on it. You're going to be wrong so let's talk about other people and why they're mafia. Like Kmatt and why he can't produce a single credible read.

Very well. Now we are talking.

justanothertownie

16322 Posts

January 26 2018 12:16 GMT

#1133

On January 26 2018 21:13 Rels wrote:

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hehe p:
if that's the game where town wouldn't lynch obvious scum BH, I erased it from my memory

That's the game.

justanothertownie

16322 Posts

January 26 2018 12:37 GMT

#1135

Stop the press! I think btdt might be close to confirmed town.

justanothertownie

16322 Posts

January 26 2018 12:38 GMT

#1136

They shot Kelsier night 1 and DID NOT roleblock him. Noone else claimed the rb.
-> btdt is town unless they didn't use the rb at all

justanothertownie

16322 Posts

January 26 2018 12:42 GMT

#1138

Yeah, the whole debate was somewhat silly in retrospect...

justanothertownie

16322 Posts

January 26 2018 12:50 GMT

#1141

On January 26 2018 21:45 Mocsta wrote:
umm guys.
stop being doo-doo heads

tahts an exact replica of what we discussed

hes either confirmed town, or confirmed scum

yes 100% confirmed.

what isnt is alignment.. i know you are trying, but take a nap please.

Uhm, no.
The difference is that it is confirmed that mafia did not use their rb on their nightkill target. Which makes a fakeclaim a lot less likely because it means they wouldn't have used their rb at all.

justanothertownie

16322 Posts

January 26 2018 13:00 GMT

#1144

On January 26 2018 21:59 Mocsta wrote:
the fact that I think its OK to RB a separate target, to the Kill already supports there is more than one answer

you guys are bickering over your ideologies of how to play the game right

its stupid.

yes teh fakeclaim is unlikley, but its certainly not 100% confirmed.

I don't get wtf you are even talking about. You think it is likely that mafia just decided to not use their most important role at all?

justanothertownie

16322 Posts

January 26 2018 13:04 GMT

#1147

On January 26 2018 22:02 Rels wrote:

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In a way I agree, 100% is a way of saying it's past any reasonnable doubts. But in this case I really think it's near 100%. Because, put yourself in the place of the scumteam. They decide to fake a roleblock. Why wouldn't they use the roleblock on this kill target ? It's a free action that only has benefits; it's not like anybody is gonna notice it, since their kill target willl ... well, be killed; but if their kill target is a veteran or a vig, it's a net gain.

Yep, and there is no way they planned it out like it happened which makes the rb claim extremely believable. The only alternative is that they forgot to rb which I think is highly unlikely but of course not impossible.

justanothertownie

16322 Posts

January 26 2018 13:43 GMT

#1149

On January 26 2018 22:42 Mocsta wrote:
The other alternative was they were afraid a medic was out

Like this converdation is ridiculous

Id yoy want ro discuss strategy then weigh all options
Its the definition od tunneled and im glad at least rels can see it

Again
Ifnyou want ro say btdt 99% town go ahead. I tend to agree.

However btst is not 100% confirmed in amy way shape or form
Frankly ita disgraceful to perpetuate that type of non sense to people not reading this as analytically

No, that is not an alternative since the rbed person would have claimed. How is this so hard to understand for you?

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