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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
January 24 2018 16:27 GMT
#940
On January 25 2018 01:24 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2018 01:10 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 20 2018 06:09 rsoultin wrote:
On January 20 2018 06:06 Holyflare wrote:
On January 20 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote:
On January 20 2018 05:24 Holyflare wrote:
This
Is
Not
Town
Damdred


No problem with lynching btdt or damdred. Now you're making noise. Didn't you dislike df before?


No I also dislike df but I won't lie and say that I've read anything he's said. Have no problem lynching him but I'm very very sure on damdred. No way he keeps both of these mafia reads for the whole game.


So why are you more fine with btdt than df? You didn't seem to be concerned at all about the btdt counterwagon and now you're yelling.

On January 20 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote:
On January 20 2018 06:30 Holyflare wrote:
Hey your accusation is changing. Better get that in check. I had a bit of free time at work previously to skim and see a btdt post where he fucked off said lol mafia and went about working again. Now I'm home with more free time and am posting more.

What you're seemingly saying is that I'm doing mafia things deflecting off df when he's going up for lynch even though I'm saying I don't care if he dies. Even though I've stuck to my same scum reads and have pushed the same things.

Maybe I should be less active instead then?


No, I mean you claiming that your difference in behavior to two different counterwagons is related to work is unverifiable. Could you perhaps have only time to read one post and that explains your reaction? Sure. Could it be you are scum and we're now pushing scum so suddenly it's more important to push the counterwagon, i.e. damdred? Sure. There is no way for me to know which of the two it is.

It looks suspicious if darth foley flips scum because of that. No more, no less.

Feel free to be as active as you like. I'm done with you for now.

^^^^
Interesting observation considering the damdred/darthfoley flips.
The question is: is this coincidence and does HF just have a really bad towngame or is he simply mafia?


The town one.

I am not convinced. I am having a hard time seeing you vehemently pushing for this damdred lynch despite townreading rsoultin who you know has a good read on him and who is also vehemently defending him. Like, you can disagree but you aren't even considering the fact that you could be wrong. It is really awful and scummy.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
January 24 2018 16:28 GMT
#941
On January 25 2018 01:26 Rels wrote:
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On January 25 2018 01:18 justanothertownie wrote:
Well, he is really blatantly pushing mafia agenda eod1. No shame whatsoever. But HF is the guy to do this. What exactly was the reason to townread him? Because in the lead up to the lynch where it was a race between a town and a mafia there is absolutely no apathy to be found.

continue to read. And maybe apathy is the wrong choice of words, but it's the fact that his reads are static and haven't changed at all since the beginning of the game. I would expect scum!HF's game to be stronger than this. But now I think HF know this and is abusing it to appear "too scummy to be scum" compared to the expectation of his scum play.

If he was town, him accepting Damerion's claim at face value is absolutely dumb. It's not only static reads anymore.

Yes, how is a town HF just accepting that claim without a doubt. I do not see it.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
January 24 2018 16:32 GMT
#944
On January 25 2018 01:30 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2018 01:28 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 25 2018 01:26 Rels wrote:
On January 25 2018 01:18 justanothertownie wrote:
Well, he is really blatantly pushing mafia agenda eod1. No shame whatsoever. But HF is the guy to do this. What exactly was the reason to townread him? Because in the lead up to the lynch where it was a race between a town and a mafia there is absolutely no apathy to be found.

continue to read. And maybe apathy is the wrong choice of words, but it's the fact that his reads are static and haven't changed at all since the beginning of the game. I would expect scum!HF's game to be stronger than this. But now I think HF know this and is abusing it to appear "too scummy to be scum" compared to the expectation of his scum play.

If he was town, him accepting Damerion's claim at face value is absolutely dumb. It's not only static reads anymore.

Yes, how is a town HF just accepting that claim without a doubt. I do not see it.


Because in a race between town damdred, mafia dathfoley and questionable alignment btdt in which any single one of them could be lynched mafia darthfoley switched to btdt instead of damdred. Compare that to someone under the hammer claiming cop with 2 greens then yeah, not really a contest.

There was a time where only damerion had claimed and you believed him. That's what I am talking about.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
January 24 2018 16:43 GMT
#951
On January 25 2018 01:37 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On January 24 2018 23:03 beentheredonethat wrote:
So Tina cased Damerion. Tina dies. Damerion claims cop. This is seriously fishy. The Tina kill makes Damerion the next lynch, almost auto. Even him claiming couldn't avert this. Which makes Tina the obvious easy kill choice for scum.

But this stays fishy, plus the claim not being a red-check claim.

There is nothing fishy about that. The first point literally makes no sense and the "no redcheck" part is easily explained. It is a claim for survival and not to trade 1 for 1 with town (which is generally bad for mafia).
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
January 24 2018 16:44 GMT
#952
On January 25 2018 01:37 Rels wrote:
Im pretty sure that makes you scum actually. Gotta have to reread what you've softed exactly when I'm home.

I also fail to see the town motivation for this.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
January 24 2018 16:54 GMT
#953
On January 20 2018 23:26 Mocsta wrote:
I shall illuminate my top 2 reads in further detail to connect how and more importantly why they are a scum pairing.
Please refer to my 4000 word case below.

Why is DF scum
Read DF Filter, and dont tell me you dont see this....
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Why is HF scum
Read HF Filter, and dont tell me you dont see this...
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



and...

wait for it.

[image loading]


Why does it work together
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


This post is fucking brutal if Mocsta is mafia. Shitting on your teammate that hard...
Not very likely.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
January 24 2018 19:16 GMT
#960
On January 25 2018 03:45 Kmatt wrote:
lmao no. If I see a counterclaim of any other blue I would hang him on the spot. The fact that no townie is taking an easy 1-for-1 tells me that he wasn't bullshitting.

Why would we ever reward his play with outing our power roles. Seriously, do not claim if you are a protective role.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
January 25 2018 13:26 GMT
#1009
So, I woke up today with biggest hangover I had for ages... thank god this game is so slow.

Are there still any doubters if this lynch? I seriously hope not. Damerion has accepted defeat.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
January 25 2018 13:51 GMT
#1011
Not a lot. Doesn't really convince me. Sure, I don't have a good reason to think kmatt is town but this stuff does not do it for me. Especially the first part of HFs post just looks like he is trying to paint something weird as scummy when it is just weird.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
January 25 2018 13:53 GMT
#1012
I also do not award scumpoints for defending damerion this phase and have no idea why HF does.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
January 25 2018 13:58 GMT
#1013
Your post doesn't work for me either, mocsta. You think kmatt intentionally abstains from voting or how do I understand this? Seems really far fetched to me. The wording before is also not necessarily scummy sincec it does not show tmi or anything - it is just weird wording once again.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
January 25 2018 14:20 GMT
#1018
On January 25 2018 23:13 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2018 22:53 justanothertownie wrote:
I also do not award scumpoints for defending damerion this phase and have no idea why HF does.

Not sure if this is a typo

As can be construes that you are awarsing HF toen points lol

Im pretty sure this isnt what you meant

No typo there but maybe misunderstanding? I do not think it is scummy to defend damerion today. HF apparently does think so. I think defending him on prior days is far scummier.

Sure, weird and scum can correlate in many cases but I will not lynch a newbie for being a little awkward and if you do you won't win a lot of newbie games as town.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
January 25 2018 14:48 GMT
#1020
On January 25 2018 23:27 Mocsta wrote:
Hf comment is understood now

Anything to do with damerion today is wifom
Eslecially because thread absence does not ewuate to qt absence

I think caution should br applied in particular when he also was fishing for a counter claim

Definitely not pro town mkve. Even more so with coaching factor

Sure, not pro town at all. But also quite ballsy as mafia. Risky play for a low chance of success given the state of the game
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
January 25 2018 19:45 GMT
#1026
On January 26 2018 04:13 Holyflare wrote:
Are we just neglecting that kmatt's main scum read was a town read and he magics things out of thin air?

Yeah. Not going to put in a lot of further thinking effort today since this lynch is now basically fixed and I would much rather spend the evening with my gf anyways.
Not that I would ever be around for this deadline during the week otherwise.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
January 25 2018 20:00 GMT
#1028
Hm?
I just do not want people to wonder why I won't be around closer to the lynch in case damerion returns. Or what are you talking about? Your Kmatt case just isn't convincing. You will have to do better if you are town which I somewhat doubt.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
January 25 2018 20:25 GMT
#1029
It seems to me like you are in a quite bad mood for someone who is currently lynching mafia.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
January 25 2018 20:48 GMT
#1031
Yep. Although tbh I got that feeling from all of your posts since I started playing.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
January 26 2018 06:22 GMT
#1067
Ha, he was the rb too. You are welcome town.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
January 26 2018 09:29 GMT
#1086
On January 26 2018 16:28 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 09:55 Kmatt wrote:
No I just can't buy this.

On January 26 2018 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
because if you're not mafia like rels is implying then you'll be next after I die and it would be good to get your reads out in the open you know?


I hate hate hate this post. How on Earth does Town!Holyflare back off now of all times? I don't pretend to have memorized meta, but I just can't accept anything but a full game-ending crusade against me at this point. I'll be the first to admit that my game so far is abysmal. I can't play town for shite to begin with, and this is a particularly foul example. You have every reason to doubt me. And you did! Repeatedly! There was a wall of text a few pages back.

Town!Holyflare has this game served to him on a silver platter. The only thing that happened between then and now is a red flip that you predicted when I defended him to the end. Suddenly Rels calls the banners and now you doubt my scumminess. I could almost see you going full OMGUS and turning on Rels, but you just alluded to him being town too. The only reason someone could reasonably townread me at this point is PoE (which requires a stronger scumread than me, which you didn't have an hour ago) or pure gut.


In case you haven't noticed I've been wrong on almost 100% of things I've said this game. It's also interesting because if you're town how is the game handed to me on a silver platter? That's just going to end in crusade against you and you flipping town and then a crusade against me.

I'm not gonna lie, I already know I'm going to get lynched today because we have jat and rels here who aren't gonna reconsider anything so the least I can do is try and actually figure you out.

You know perfectly well that I always reconsider. Also quit playing the victim. You aligned super hard with mafia and now people are suspicious of you, boohoo. You are better than that. I also never called your Kmatt stuff bad because I think you are mafia. It just does not convince me in a vacuum.
On January 26 2018 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 16:51 beentheredonethat wrote:
My suggestion is the following: lynch Holyflare. Should he flip town, let's lynch whoever he scumread.
not a good idea

Game is potentially lylo with a mislynch next cycle

Just because a town holyflare scum reads someone. Doesnt mean they are scum

Frankly i prefer kmatt as a lynch to holyflare

I believe all people present feom day1 to now care too much to be scum. Hf is in this group... being wrong doesnt mean being scummy.

Kmatt has only picked up activity since cop claim which could be a scum teamm all-in play

Further. I havent been convinced that the stuff hf and me picked out aboit kmatt is non scummy

Like people already pointed out you will never lynch mafia HF then.

HF has a lot of time to convince the one of Rels and myself that survives the night if he is town. Starting with some more analysis than "Kmatt is scum" now that we know 2/3 of the mafia team and can look for important interactions would be good. But right now I think it is too dangerous to lynch someone else. I don't think he we can let him live after his blatant agenda pushing this game and I have no confidence that people will lynch him later in the game.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
January 26 2018 09:30 GMT
#1087
On January 26 2018 18:24 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Kmatt has only picked up activity since cop claim which could be a scum teamm all-in play

That makes no sense too. In your scenario, Kmatt tried to save Damerion well after everybody else voted him and thought the claim was fake. It was no an all-in play, it had 0 chance of working. It's way, way more likely that it's just was Kmatt was thinking.

If you're looking for an all-in play from the scum team, I'll give it to you:
- Damerion hints that he's cop during the night
- HF hints that he understands Damerion is blue during the night
- Damerion claims cop during the day, and uses HF's hints to townread HF
- HF backs up Damerion's claim, saying it makes sense
- When the rest of the town don't believe Damerion, he changes his mind

Yes, he just voted damerion when nothing had changed except for us pushing damerion. How come town HF doesn't figure this out himself? It seems unlikely.
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