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On January 24 2018 19:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
Hm, summarizing:
- having a Cop is unlikely with a vig in (see above)
- his checks are meh
- roleblocker is confirmed, so if we leave him alive for another check, scum will just roleblock and not kill him.
- no counter claim, so if it is a fakeclaim, the real blue stays alive and un-outed
Actually, I think lynching Damerion is a good idea.
Yup. Add to that how he is basically claiming to save himself since he was #1 lynch priority beforehand.
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Read until page 15 now. I will give Mocsta a tentative townlean so far and I am wondering if mderg is hipster mafia or has surprisingly good reads. Too bad rsoultin is dead and I am Twaty. These 2 were the towniest players so far.
More to come later in the day.
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Parrot!Rels on the case again.
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On January 24 2018 19:41 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 19:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Parrot!Rels on the case again. how does that feel to be the one being parroted ? p:
It's definitely a new perspective.
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On January 24 2018 20:41 Mocsta wrote:
Do you think we can vote for early day?
No. And it is also not in our interest. If for some reason Kita decided to make this a far more townsided game than usual I want Damerion to have a chance of convincing me.
If he is just going to accept defeat as mafia that is also fine. Gives everyone a break and me time to catch up.
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Hold on a second....
On January 24 2018 20:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 20:32 Holyflare wrote:
Oh derp maybe I should have read op. Rbs are notified even if player is vanilla. There is also no jk possible. Specifically by my earlier post I thought btdt was claiming blue since there'd be no other way to know you were rbd unless your power was getting shit on. But they're notified so it's whatever now.
How come you were posting some crap about my slot being mafia instead of doubting btdt/damerion earlier when you were thinking this?! One of them had to be lying from your perspective.
Explain.
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I take that back. You posted that before btdt claimed rb. Sorry.
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On January 24 2018 21:46 Rels wrote:that explains the weird posts earlier. But I find them passive. Talking about: Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 17:44 Holyflare wrote:On January 24 2018 17:11 justanothertownie wrote:
This is really nice. If people in this game can't read me they just have to take a look at the posts of Twat in the early game. Insanely towny. Even more suspicious how HF instantly puts this slot in his 2 player scum pile at the start of the dayphase. Is it suspicious at all though? Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 17:46 Holyflare wrote:On January 24 2018 16:44 justanothertownie wrote:
Right now I don't really think we should give damerion the luxury of outing a protective role with his fakeclaim depending on how improbable cop+vig already is. You think there's a protective role that healed afk btdt 2 nights in a row? Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 17:47 Holyflare wrote:
Nevermind that healers are almost always nerfed? Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 17:48 Holyflare wrote:
I would still believe btdt over Damerion though after d1 vote count. Like, you just learned that BTDT AND Damerion both claimed blue. This is huge info, one of them is scum! Damerion, who you thought during the night was cop, got counterclaimed! But instead of raging reactions, we got this. It seems very underwhelming for such a realization.
Yes, I agree.
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On January 24 2018 22:11 Damerion wrote:
I will be in and out today due to having to finish some paperwork and looking over some things. But I should be here for most of the day.
Firstly I cannot say anything to past setups or if this one is to imbalanced for town, my checks were what I thought were the best at the moment and if I did not get the godfather we had three confirmed town with what to me seems very likely a fourth town in HolyFlare.
I claimed really early with my checks for the reason of discussion, I claimed with a few seconds into the start of the day gave my checks and reasoning. I softed my checks the previous night if by some reason I died and I wanted to leave a clear example why I was townreading Mocsta so hard at that point. Also if anyone wanted to counterclaim me it would give us plenty of time to discuss the merits of my claim vs. theirs instead of waiting for the last minute and confusion happening as is likely to happen.
In any case, I still think BTDT, Mocsta and Holyflare are town in this situation, and I understand that I am the probable lynch today in any case. I have green checks on the first two, HolyFlare should of killed me as scum and he somewhat dumb telled himself when he was going over roles that scum should have to counteract a Vig+Cop when he included a framer which I do not believe is possible by the OP.
As for my other reads give me just a minute to finish this paperwork and I will talk with whoever is around about them.
This HF dumbtell doesn't really mean anything alignmentwise. He is also not above faking something like this either.
Why exactly did you feel the need to claim without having any conclusive information for town? You could at least try to defend yourself without claiming first, no?
Also, why do you give your greenchecks any credit when even if you check a mafia player you only have a 50/50 chance of getting a redcheck?
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I am talking about now that a goon flipped already. 2 mafia left - one of them definitely godfather if damerion is the cop (the other probably roleblocker). 50/50. Seems like pretty simple math to me.
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So there is basically only one player in this game who gives Damerion a meaningful check. He did not check this guy. So why claim without a fight?
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On January 24 2018 22:28 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 22:20 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2018 22:11 Damerion wrote:
I will be in and out today due to having to finish some paperwork and looking over some things. But I should be here for most of the day.
Firstly I cannot say anything to past setups or if this one is to imbalanced for town, my checks were what I thought were the best at the moment and if I did not get the godfather we had three confirmed town with what to me seems very likely a fourth town in HolyFlare.
I claimed really early with my checks for the reason of discussion, I claimed with a few seconds into the start of the day gave my checks and reasoning. I softed my checks the previous night if by some reason I died and I wanted to leave a clear example why I was townreading Mocsta so hard at that point. Also if anyone wanted to counterclaim me it would give us plenty of time to discuss the merits of my claim vs. theirs instead of waiting for the last minute and confusion happening as is likely to happen.
In any case, I still think BTDT, Mocsta and Holyflare are town in this situation, and I understand that I am the probable lynch today in any case. I have green checks on the first two, HolyFlare should of killed me as scum and he somewhat dumb telled himself when he was going over roles that scum should have to counteract a Vig+Cop when he included a framer which I do not believe is possible by the OP.
As for my other reads give me just a minute to finish this paperwork and I will talk with whoever is around about them. This HF dumbtell doesn't really mean anything alignmentwise. He is also not above faking something like this either. Why exactly did you feel the need to claim without having any conclusive information for town? You could at least try to defend yourself without claiming first, no? Also, why do you give your greenchecks any credit when even if you check a mafia player you only have a 50/50 chance of getting a redcheck? I had very little time invested in the game beyond day one, I knew I was up for lynch today especially with the Rsoultin kill. Her dying took out the world where I could convince my biggest critic that I am town without claiming at that point. If I was going to be lynched today regardless which it seems to be the case anyway, I wanted all the information out in the thread for discussion. As for that, its possible but this way avoids confusion and gives town the ability to weigh my claim, gives anyone else the opportunity to counterclaim and we get a free mafia that way anyway. And stops my claiming at the last second for no information to be given by the lynch, CFD/Shenanigans are never good for town in my opinion. As for the green checks, sure you can reevaluate them at a later day but there has to be at least one mafia outside these two, if its the godfather we know that both of these are now town and the game is basically solved. If it is a roleblocker we know we have to scrutinize them. I felt eliminating three people at this point to the lynch was more important (and letting them talk things out as well as myself without pressure) than waiting until the last minute where confusion would rage.
But that's the thing - you aren't eliminating anyone with these checks. If you aren't fakeclaiming you just gave away towns most important role for literally 0 gain.
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On January 24 2018 22:44 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 22:39 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2018 22:28 Damerion wrote:On January 24 2018 22:20 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2018 22:11 Damerion wrote:
I will be in and out today due to having to finish some paperwork and looking over some things. But I should be here for most of the day.
Firstly I cannot say anything to past setups or if this one is to imbalanced for town, my checks were what I thought were the best at the moment and if I did not get the godfather we had three confirmed town with what to me seems very likely a fourth town in HolyFlare.
I claimed really early with my checks for the reason of discussion, I claimed with a few seconds into the start of the day gave my checks and reasoning. I softed my checks the previous night if by some reason I died and I wanted to leave a clear example why I was townreading Mocsta so hard at that point. Also if anyone wanted to counterclaim me it would give us plenty of time to discuss the merits of my claim vs. theirs instead of waiting for the last minute and confusion happening as is likely to happen.
In any case, I still think BTDT, Mocsta and Holyflare are town in this situation, and I understand that I am the probable lynch today in any case. I have green checks on the first two, HolyFlare should of killed me as scum and he somewhat dumb telled himself when he was going over roles that scum should have to counteract a Vig+Cop when he included a framer which I do not believe is possible by the OP.
As for my other reads give me just a minute to finish this paperwork and I will talk with whoever is around about them. This HF dumbtell doesn't really mean anything alignmentwise. He is also not above faking something like this either. Why exactly did you feel the need to claim without having any conclusive information for town? You could at least try to defend yourself without claiming first, no? Also, why do you give your greenchecks any credit when even if you check a mafia player you only have a 50/50 chance of getting a redcheck? I had very little time invested in the game beyond day one, I knew I was up for lynch today especially with the Rsoultin kill. Her dying took out the world where I could convince my biggest critic that I am town without claiming at that point. If I was going to be lynched today regardless which it seems to be the case anyway, I wanted all the information out in the thread for discussion. As for that, its possible but this way avoids confusion and gives town the ability to weigh my claim, gives anyone else the opportunity to counterclaim and we get a free mafia that way anyway. And stops my claiming at the last second for no information to be given by the lynch, CFD/Shenanigans are never good for town in my opinion. As for the green checks, sure you can reevaluate them at a later day but there has to be at least one mafia outside these two, if its the godfather we know that both of these are now town and the game is basically solved. If it is a roleblocker we know we have to scrutinize them. I felt eliminating three people at this point to the lynch was more important (and letting them talk things out as well as myself without pressure) than waiting until the last minute where confusion would rage. But that's the thing - you aren't eliminating anyone with these checks. If you aren't fakeclaiming you just gave away towns most important role for literally 0 gain. I believe with all of my heart with Rsoultin dead I would have a majority of the votes at this moment with nobody really looking to talk to me about it. The most important role would be reduced to a 0 gain at deadline as well as start of day.
That's a very pessimistic point of view. In my head it doesn't fit with the extremely confident early game Damerion at all. Rsoultin is dead ffs. Why not at least try to convince people? That's literally what this game is about.
I think it is far more likely that you are fakeclaiming. Not buying this emo shit.
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On January 24 2018 22:52 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 22:47 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2018 22:44 Damerion wrote:On January 24 2018 22:39 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2018 22:28 Damerion wrote:On January 24 2018 22:20 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2018 22:11 Damerion wrote:
I will be in and out today due to having to finish some paperwork and looking over some things. But I should be here for most of the day.
Firstly I cannot say anything to past setups or if this one is to imbalanced for town, my checks were what I thought were the best at the moment and if I did not get the godfather we had three confirmed town with what to me seems very likely a fourth town in HolyFlare.
I claimed really early with my checks for the reason of discussion, I claimed with a few seconds into the start of the day gave my checks and reasoning. I softed my checks the previous night if by some reason I died and I wanted to leave a clear example why I was townreading Mocsta so hard at that point. Also if anyone wanted to counterclaim me it would give us plenty of time to discuss the merits of my claim vs. theirs instead of waiting for the last minute and confusion happening as is likely to happen.
In any case, I still think BTDT, Mocsta and Holyflare are town in this situation, and I understand that I am the probable lynch today in any case. I have green checks on the first two, HolyFlare should of killed me as scum and he somewhat dumb telled himself when he was going over roles that scum should have to counteract a Vig+Cop when he included a framer which I do not believe is possible by the OP.
As for my other reads give me just a minute to finish this paperwork and I will talk with whoever is around about them. This HF dumbtell doesn't really mean anything alignmentwise. He is also not above faking something like this either. Why exactly did you feel the need to claim without having any conclusive information for town? You could at least try to defend yourself without claiming first, no? Also, why do you give your greenchecks any credit when even if you check a mafia player you only have a 50/50 chance of getting a redcheck? I had very little time invested in the game beyond day one, I knew I was up for lynch today especially with the Rsoultin kill. Her dying took out the world where I could convince my biggest critic that I am town without claiming at that point. If I was going to be lynched today regardless which it seems to be the case anyway, I wanted all the information out in the thread for discussion. As for that, its possible but this way avoids confusion and gives town the ability to weigh my claim, gives anyone else the opportunity to counterclaim and we get a free mafia that way anyway. And stops my claiming at the last second for no information to be given by the lynch, CFD/Shenanigans are never good for town in my opinion. As for the green checks, sure you can reevaluate them at a later day but there has to be at least one mafia outside these two, if its the godfather we know that both of these are now town and the game is basically solved. If it is a roleblocker we know we have to scrutinize them. I felt eliminating three people at this point to the lynch was more important (and letting them talk things out as well as myself without pressure) than waiting until the last minute where confusion would rage. But that's the thing - you aren't eliminating anyone with these checks. If you aren't fakeclaiming you just gave away towns most important role for literally 0 gain. I believe with all of my heart with Rsoultin dead I would have a majority of the votes at this moment with nobody really looking to talk to me about it. The most important role would be reduced to a 0 gain at deadline as well as start of day. That's a very pessimistic point of view. In my head it doesn't fit with the extremely confident early game Damerion at all. Rsoultin is dead ffs. Why not at least try to convince people? That's literally what this game is about. I think it is far more likely that you are fakeclaiming. Not buying this emo shit. I do not think I am being emo, or pessimistic. Realistic that people as mderg have been fixated on me since d1 and a death of Rsoultin if they are town just fixes it more firmly in their heads. I have given my explanation for claiming early, it only has positive benefits for town.
It actually has 0 benefit. It is straight up bad play. Which is ok since this is a newbie game after all but you don't seem like that kind of person to me.
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On January 24 2018 22:53 Damerion wrote:
I mean you call it pessimistic but I literally have 5 votes, three of the votes come from green checks and someone who believed my claim immediately. And you say I had no reason to claim?
You gained these votes precisely and only because you claimed. Because the role you claim is very unrealistic at this point.
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On January 24 2018 22:58 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 19:12 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2018 19:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
Hm, summarizing:
- having a Cop is unlikely with a vig in (see above)
- his checks are meh
- roleblocker is confirmed, so if we leave him alive for another check, scum will just roleblock and not kill him.
- no counter claim, so if it is a fakeclaim, the real blue stays alive and un-outed
Actually, I think lynching Damerion is a good idea. Yup. Add to that how he is basically claiming to save himself since he was #1 lynch priority beforehand. One thing to note: if it's a fake claim, why doesn't he fake a red check? That way he'd make town throw away one mislynch.
There could be various reasons for this. One example: If he redchecks someone he actually has to fight that person 1v1 and considering his standing in the game he might just lose that.
On January 24 2018 22:58 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 22:55 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2018 22:53 Damerion wrote:
I mean you call it pessimistic but I literally have 5 votes, three of the votes come from green checks and someone who believed my claim immediately. And you say I had no reason to claim? You gained these votes precisely and only because you claimed. Because the role you claim is very unrealistic at this point. I understand you not being caught up yet justanothertownie, but saying I gained those votes only because I claim is the unrealistic statement.
No, it is not. In fact I am the main reason you have those votes which you should know if you read this dayphase.
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On January 24 2018 23:05 beentheredonethat wrote:
Which brings me back to the original "wait, D3 and HF is alive" thing which I came up with jokingly. Reading OP is for scum and chumps he says yet he's not considered to be a chump, eh?
I mean we're still lynching into uncced blue.
So? If he was real he would be rbed until all eternity now. He is literally useless now if he is the cop. Which he isn't.
There is no way this setup has both a cop and a vig.
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On January 20 2018 05:45 KelsierSC wrote:
reckon the mafia QT was like
darth - Yo HF, damerion get back in the thread i'm getting fucked
hf, damerion - got your back fam.
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this is not town damdred
look at damdred he is so scum.
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dramatised obvz.
This post. Next level.
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On January 20 2018 06:09 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 06:06 Holyflare wrote:On January 20 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:24 Holyflare wrote:
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Damdred No problem with lynching btdt or damdred. Now you're making noise. Didn't you dislike df before? No I also dislike df but I won't lie and say that I've read anything he's said. Have no problem lynching him but I'm very very sure on damdred. No way he keeps both of these mafia reads for the whole game. So why are you more fine with btdt than df? You didn't seem to be concerned at all about the btdt counterwagon and now you're yelling.
On January 20 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 06:30 Holyflare wrote:
Hey your accusation is changing. Better get that in check. I had a bit of free time at work previously to skim and see a btdt post where he fucked off said lol mafia and went about working again. Now I'm home with more free time and am posting more.
What you're seemingly saying is that I'm doing mafia things deflecting off df when he's going up for lynch even though I'm saying I don't care if he dies. Even though I've stuck to my same scum reads and have pushed the same things.
Maybe I should be less active instead then? No, I mean you claiming that your difference in behavior to two different counterwagons is related to work is unverifiable. Could you perhaps have only time to read one post and that explains your reaction? Sure. Could it be you are scum and we're now pushing scum so suddenly it's more important to push the counterwagon, i.e. damdred? Sure. There is no way for me to know which of the two it is. It looks suspicious if darth foley flips scum because of that. No more, no less. Feel free to be as active as you like. I'm done with you for now.
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Interesting observation considering the damdred/darthfoley flips.
The question is: is this coincidence and does HF just have a really bad towngame or is he simply mafia?
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Well, he is really blatantly pushing mafia agenda eod1. No shame whatsoever. But HF is the guy to do this. What exactly was the reason to townread him? Because in the lead up to the lynch where it was a race between a town and a mafia there is absolutely no apathy to be found.
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