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On January 20 2018 04:39 rsoultin wrote:
But since you're here, where are you on mocsta?
I tried reading through your pages long back and forth with Mocsta but it ended up becoming minute detail drivel that I couldn't follow. Everything he's said has seemingly been super nitpicky or in the weeds. I don't see him really interacting with anyone except to focus on very specific little moments that he then goes to great lengths to overanalyze. I call this the Shapelog syndrome. Basically looooots of words with very little content.
Like I still don't know where his head is besides the fact that he is obsessed with talking about someone else's conversation with you on Damdred. Wut.
So yea he's still on my scum list.
Also ##Vote: BTDT
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Atm I think BTDT/Mocsta/Kelscier are decent chances to hit scum. Rsoultin as well
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I just commented on my opinion of Mocsta. If you have a specific line of questioning, then be more specific.
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Fwiw Kmatt has entered my town circle
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Okay so I looked through Kelscier's filter.
Basically.
+ Show Spoiler +At this point i'd lynch between mderg, maybe df then prplhz,kmatt and btdt need to put more into the thread.
On January 19 2018 20:13 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 20:00 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2018 19:49 KelsierSC wrote:
Though I disagree with HF on his damdred read, I do want to see more from damdred this day.
Reading through HF's explanation. I could understand that if you were reading a guy as scummy from before. (due to his df/mcosta read) then with that biased you could see his response as panicked.
I thought about the perspective of if I was scum HF/Rels. I think my initial interpretation was wrong.I don't think scum HF and Rels jump on this case and call it good. Especially Rels , if damdred flips town he looks super shady.
I think if Damdred is town then you just soft defend him , in the way I have done tbh, and then look for some random lynch later on, if damdred is lynched then a town goes down and you look good.
I think Mderg did that and maybe df but i'm not 100%.
with btdt I liked something he did early, mentioning the bad read on hf and he read rsoultin as town so I gave him a few plus points. I didn't like his Mcosta is weird with a massive quote post , i'd need to see more though.
At this point i'd lynch between mderg, maybe df then prplhz,kmatt and btdt need to put more into the thread.
To be fair, I think scumRels would be way more likely to do that if there was an alternative lynch going, which there wasn't. It still felt like a half-assed drive-by shooting but I can't say that it makes him scum. Not feeling a mderg lynch. It's not sparkly but I get a little swimming against the current and a little waffley not sure not sure from his filter that just feels towny to me. Not my strongest read, of course, but I'd rather not lynch him. Meeeh btdt's filter is just so weak for me. Hold on. I already forgot specifics. btdt is weak I would agree. I think df was one of the first people to call him out on that which gives me pause because df is also scummy to me. his post about costa talking to much , I guess his town read of rels makes sense in retrospect if they both think btdt is scummy. but is that enough for a town read...maybe. df twice talked about the damerion/damdred thing, didnt commit to one side and then tried to get an alternate lynch going. First one he said damerion was being too aggressive or confirmation biased and then said btdt was scum. then he said he wasn't sure on damdred/damerion and needed to reread, but costa was scum. basically not committing to anyside and trying to get some alternative lynch going. The costa one especially felt bad. I think df or btdt is scum though.
Now that people seem to be warming to the idea of DF/BTDT wagons, mderg is conveniently forgotten even though he doesn't provide any explanation. Like he goes through all this effort to basically summarize my whole filter as some justification to vote me.
On January 19 2018 20:39 KelsierSC wrote:
I guess BTDT works as a lynch . I suppose he has a high chance of flipping scum.
Mderg you are here , what do you think about a BTDT lynch?
BTDT has a higher chance of flipping scum after he just spent a whole post talking about how i'm scummy. And then votes on BTDT.
At least it's very unlikely that he and BTDT are teamed if they're mafia
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On January 20 2018 04:57 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:54 darthfoley wrote:
I just commented on my opinion of Mocsta. If you have a specific line of questioning, then be more specific. You came up with a vague opinion. Minute drivel, where is it? Point it out.
Read what he wrote about me, mderg, and HF again and tell me if he actually says an opinion in any of his reads.
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I guess Kelscier gets some credit for asking Mderg about BTDT lynch. Meh
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On January 20 2018 05:00 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 23:59 Rels wrote:
It's strong words for what Mocsta did, IE respond for a post. Then the next posts is Mocsta begings making big posts, and DF don't follow The lack of reponse to Mocsta's posts doesn't make sense as either alignment unless it's an unlucky coincidence. Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 00:12 Rels wrote:
oh no thinking of marghell
mderg can be scum as well then  Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 00:27 Rels wrote:On January 20 2018 00:16 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 00:12 Rels wrote:
oh no thinking of marghell
mderg can be scum as well then ??? he's just kinda floating in the thread, and his list post was out of nowhere and the reasonning were pretty vague. So it didn't match my view of him being top-tier scum. Then I checked and he was not the top-tier scum I remembered. But checking his last town game where he got lynched D1 he was also apparently just floating around I'm definitely top tier scum when the stars align every 200 years. I would generally advice against meta reading me, though.
Y'all talking about how I didn't respond to Mocsta's big post after I called him out. I went to bed after I made that post and he responded like an hour later. How is that alignment indicative?
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On January 20 2018 05:03 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:59 darthfoley wrote:Okay so I looked through Kelscier's filter. Basically. + Show Spoiler +At this point i'd lynch between mderg, maybe df then prplhz,kmatt and btdt need to put more into the thread. On January 19 2018 20:13 KelsierSC wrote:On January 19 2018 20:00 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2018 19:49 KelsierSC wrote:
Though I disagree with HF on his damdred read, I do want to see more from damdred this day.
Reading through HF's explanation. I could understand that if you were reading a guy as scummy from before. (due to his df/mcosta read) then with that biased you could see his response as panicked.
I thought about the perspective of if I was scum HF/Rels. I think my initial interpretation was wrong.I don't think scum HF and Rels jump on this case and call it good. Especially Rels , if damdred flips town he looks super shady.
I think if Damdred is town then you just soft defend him , in the way I have done tbh, and then look for some random lynch later on, if damdred is lynched then a town goes down and you look good.
I think Mderg did that and maybe df but i'm not 100%.
with btdt I liked something he did early, mentioning the bad read on hf and he read rsoultin as town so I gave him a few plus points. I didn't like his Mcosta is weird with a massive quote post , i'd need to see more though.
At this point i'd lynch between mderg, maybe df then prplhz,kmatt and btdt need to put more into the thread.
To be fair, I think scumRels would be way more likely to do that if there was an alternative lynch going, which there wasn't. It still felt like a half-assed drive-by shooting but I can't say that it makes him scum. Not feeling a mderg lynch. It's not sparkly but I get a little swimming against the current and a little waffley not sure not sure from his filter that just feels towny to me. Not my strongest read, of course, but I'd rather not lynch him. Meeeh btdt's filter is just so weak for me. Hold on. I already forgot specifics. btdt is weak I would agree. I think df was one of the first people to call him out on that which gives me pause because df is also scummy to me. his post about costa talking to much , I guess his town read of rels makes sense in retrospect if they both think btdt is scummy. but is that enough for a town read...maybe. df twice talked about the damerion/damdred thing, didnt commit to one side and then tried to get an alternate lynch going. First one he said damerion was being too aggressive or confirmation biased and then said btdt was scum. then he said he wasn't sure on damdred/damerion and needed to reread, but costa was scum. basically not committing to anyside and trying to get some alternative lynch going. The costa one especially felt bad. I think df or btdt is scum though. Now that people seem to be warming to the idea of DF/BTDT wagons, mderg is conveniently forgotten even though he doesn't provide any explanation. Like he goes through all this effort to basically summarize my whole filter as some justification to vote me. That ain't true, there was this post posted before the one you quoted: Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 19:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 19 2018 19:51 mderg wrote:On January 19 2018 19:29 KelsierSC wrote:On January 19 2018 18:50 mderg wrote:
Trying to shortly summarize my thoughts on everyone
Twat: probably town
kmatt: no idea
Damerion: don't like his tunneling on damdred, could be scum
btdt: no idea
Mocsta: probably town, conversation with rsoultin looks like town on town argument
Rels: just latches onto the damdred wagon and his work is done
rsoultin: probably town
df: meh
damdred: leaning town
prplhz: no idea
Kelsier: leaning towads town very slightly
Holyflare: I would expect more from town hf but I always have him as scum I don't think a list like this is very good. In reality you have provided yourself a lot of outs to change opinion without putting forward anything new. Can you expand on df and explain why he is meh. The goal of that list was not to put out anything groundbrakingly new. It's a way to summarize and organize my thoughts. Everything df said (except the townread on Rels imo) kind of makes sense. But I had pretty much no idea what he said before going through his filter. So his play feels a bit off despite making logically sound arguments. Ok that makes some sense. On January 19 2018 19:53 mderg wrote:On January 19 2018 19:49 KelsierSC wrote:
Though I disagree with HF on his damdred read, I do want to see more from damdred this day.
Reading through HF's explanation. I could understand that if you were reading a guy as scummy from before. (due to his df/mcosta read) then with that biased you could see his response as panicked.
I thought about the perspective of if I was scum HF/Rels. I think my initial interpretation was wrong.I don't think scum HF and Rels jump on this case and call it good. Especially Rels , if damdred flips town he looks super shady.
I think if Damdred is town then you just soft defend him , in the way I have done tbh, and then look for some random lynch later on, if damdred is lynched then a town goes down and you look good.
I think Mderg did that and maybe df but i'm not 100%.
with btdt I liked something he did early, mentioning the bad read on hf and he read rsoultin as town so I gave him a few plus points. I didn't like his Mcosta is weird with a massive quote post , i'd need to see more though.
At this point i'd lynch between mderg, maybe df then prplhz,kmatt and btdt need to put more into the thread.
soft defending a townie who's getting lynched is always making you look suspicious. That wouldn't be good scum play. So based on rsoultin and HF's discussion and previous thoughts. You believe that damdred is town and Rels is scum who has just sidled onto the wagon without saying much. Do you think one of HF and damerion is also scum aswell? or both?
"Ok that makes some sense"
lol
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On January 20 2018 05:03 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 04:56 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 04:52 Damdred wrote:
*Burp* why have you summined mw Yeeees. See beetle juice powers! \o/ Weren't you going to, I don't know, play? If you're town (and I still think you are but you're making me doubt in ways I don't like) you're making it hard for me to find a way to not lynch you, you know. I do not make good cases. I just make a good gnat. Let me make this clear then, it is extremely difficult for my style so early to find meaninful conclusions when so much of the thread is about me. I still think the game comes down to DF/moc and then some form of combination afterwards. I do not believe btdt is scum, his play is to off the cuff and free imo. If I had to lay a idea down thw btdt v damdred wagon is t v t and i wont vote him to save myself. DF and moc are name dropping each other a bit to create distance but its just shadow games and soft pushes at this point. Moc vote on me was suoer opportunistic, his vote is over explained and well for just an ok case my damer as he calls it he sure does go in hard. DF is a little to clean here to me and isnt rwally digging anywhere worthwhile. RS, Kel, btdt are never scum to me. After that I really have small inklings, twat doing his vote and never making another contriubtion at this point is head acratching but he could be busy. Same for damer. HF could go either way and rels. So eh?
Why is Kelscier never scum to you?
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On January 20 2018 05:13 rsoultin wrote:
I'm down with a darth foley lynch.
@df...still want my answers. I dream of lynching scum day 1. If you insist on calling one of the most townread townies in the game scum, have at it, but even if you think I'm scum, if you're town it may help sway others -shrugs-
I don't care how you or other people react to my reads lol. I hope I have time later before deadline but I'm gonna be busy.
I'm not sure what I didn't answer? Mocsta sided with the majority of people who thought Damdred was scum at a time when it was easy and low risk to do so. His other "reads" are vague and don't take any real stands. He reminds me of 30 page scum!Shapelog
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On January 20 2018 05:29 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:
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Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).
Am i wrong to expect more?
Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.
mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless. How is any of this vague? If this a genuine opinion from you, I need you to explain it. Because right now it seems like you decided to keep calling him scum and hastily constructed an answer that you yourself can't support without making vague claims that I see no factual grounds for.
Yes he gives a little nibble here or there of a conclusion but he leaves so much wiggle room for backing off. I don't know why this point is so hard for you to understand and why you disagree so vehemently.
It looks like typical light shade throwing without much commitment. For example, "mderg used hyperbole" I think can be read either way. Town use hyperbole all the time but in different ways than mafia.
I'm moving on from this because I've explained myself and if you still don't get it then I guess we just fundamentally disagree on the issue at hand.
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Btdt gets lots of pressure put on him then conveniently the winds of change arrive and bad guy darth is the hot take of the day. No matter. Plenty of time for you all to see the error in your ways
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On January 20 2018 05:52 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 05:47 darthfoley wrote:On January 20 2018 05:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:
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Priority #2: Other comments of interest
Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).
Am i wrong to expect more?
Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.
mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless. How is any of this vague? If this a genuine opinion from you, I need you to explain it. Because right now it seems like you decided to keep calling him scum and hastily constructed an answer that you yourself can't support without making vague claims that I see no factual grounds for. Yes he gives a little nibble here or there of a conclusion but he leaves so much wiggle room for backing off. I don't know why this point is so hard for you to understand and why you disagree so vehemently. It looks like typical light shade throwing without much commitment. For example, "mderg used hyperbole" I think can be read either way. Town use hyperbole all the time but in different ways than mafia. I'm moving on from this because I've explained myself and if you still don't get it then I guess we just fundamentally disagree on the issue at hand. You know this constant blather about "easy to back out of" reads is irritating to me. It's flatout wrong. There is no statement or read that isn't easy to back out of. Town changes their minds. Scum can say they've changed their minds. Overwhelming certainty based on little evidence I find suspicious. And you're right that we fundamentally disagree. I FUNDAMENTALLY believe that what he wrote was not vague. It had specifics for his stances, and clear stances even if they weren't necessarily strong. You FUNDAMENTALLY seem to believe people need to be egomaniacal narcissists to be town, apparently. I just think you're bullshitting to defend a read you didn't have reasons for when I asked.
And I'm fundamentally done talking to you for now.
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On January 20 2018 05:59 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 05:47 darthfoley wrote:On January 20 2018 05:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:
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Priority #2: Other comments of interest
Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).
Am i wrong to expect more?
Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.
mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless. How is any of this vague? If this a genuine opinion from you, I need you to explain it. Because right now it seems like you decided to keep calling him scum and hastily constructed an answer that you yourself can't support without making vague claims that I see no factual grounds for. Yes he gives a little nibble here or there of a conclusion but he leaves so much wiggle room for backing off. I don't know why this point is so hard for you to understand and why you disagree so vehemently. It looks like typical light shade throwing without much commitment. For example, "mderg used hyperbole" I think can be read either way. Town use hyperbole all the time but in different ways than mafia. I'm moving on from this because I've explained myself and if you still don't get it then I guess we just fundamentally disagree on the issue at hand. The wiggle room tuff would make me scum in 90% of my games, which makes me dislike that reasoning
I think you guys are misunderstanding my point on Mocsta. I don't believe that "because Mocsta is unsure of things on D1 he must be scum." Obviously by definition town are not going to know things and be unsure of stuff.
My point is that when you read Mocsta's filter, it's very focused on what other people think of the game. He loves to ask questions and then overanalyze their responses. His "reads" to me don't seem like someone unsure of themselves and trying to follow up with said people to figure it out. He voted Damdred at an opportune time, and hasn't really done much since.
He mentions me/HF/you as sort of in the realm of possibility, sort of maybe sus but doesn't really commit to it. That isn't the biggest issue: the biggest issue is that he doesn't seem to be interested in finding answers to any of the questions and queries he posts.
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Also @rels can you expand on why my read on BTDT is correct but the reasons are wrong? Specifically please.
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On January 20 2018 06:16 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 06:13 darthfoley wrote:On January 20 2018 05:59 mderg wrote:On January 20 2018 05:47 darthfoley wrote:On January 20 2018 05:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:
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Priority #2: Other comments of interest
Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).
Am i wrong to expect more?
Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.
mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless. How is any of this vague? If this a genuine opinion from you, I need you to explain it. Because right now it seems like you decided to keep calling him scum and hastily constructed an answer that you yourself can't support without making vague claims that I see no factual grounds for. Yes he gives a little nibble here or there of a conclusion but he leaves so much wiggle room for backing off. I don't know why this point is so hard for you to understand and why you disagree so vehemently. It looks like typical light shade throwing without much commitment. For example, "mderg used hyperbole" I think can be read either way. Town use hyperbole all the time but in different ways than mafia. I'm moving on from this because I've explained myself and if you still don't get it then I guess we just fundamentally disagree on the issue at hand. The wiggle room tuff would make me scum in 90% of my games, which makes me dislike that reasoning I think you guys are misunderstanding my point on Mocsta. I don't believe that "because Mocsta is unsure of things on D1 he must be scum." Obviously by definition town are not going to know things and be unsure of stuff. My point is that when you read Mocsta's filter, it's very focused on what other people think of the game. He loves to ask questions and then overanalyze their responses. His "reads" to me don't seem like someone unsure of themselves and trying to follow up with said people to figure it out. He voted Damdred at an opportune time, and hasn't really done much since. He mentions me/HF/you as sort of in the realm of possibility, sort of maybe sus but doesn't really commit to it. That isn't the biggest issue: the biggest issue is that he doesn't seem to be interested in finding answers to any of the questions and queries he posts. Not what you said at all earlier but the first thing that rings possibly true to me. Did you perhaps consider time differences when coming to this conclusion, or...?
Not particularly, no. I don't think time differences really matter. I often leave questions during NA night time for EU people when they wake up
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Did Damerion ever say what he thinks of BTDT?
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On January 20 2018 06:38 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 06:35 darthfoley wrote:
Did Damerion ever say what he thinks of BTDT? Doesn't seem so, looking through his filter. I don't recall him having much of an opinion on anything but damdred.
Yes, this is also my problem with him. Being this gung-ho on one person is one thing, but a lack of communication with the rest of the game is something more
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On January 20 2018 06:40 Holyflare wrote:
You're also doing irrelevant Damerion questioning. There's two people up for lynch afaik. Damdred and df. I would like a little more focus on that. Or even mocsta.
Why are people voting df?
I'm pretty sure it's 3way between btdt, me and damdred. a real kinky affair
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