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Like READ THIS JAT
comes into thread and insta-votes me.
"finally" reads the game, and now im obvious town.
lynches rels
knows you have to die as confirmed tonw, and im pro-mderg
only chance to win is this bullshit.
@NIGHT.. FLIPS HIS READ ON OBVIOUS TOWN.. KILLS MDERG.
LIKE FFS... what more is needed?
On January 30 2018 22:18 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2018 22:08 justanothertownie wrote:On January 30 2018 21:56 Koshi wrote:
Rells calls me mafia. I call Rels mafia.
It's on you people to see if we are both wrong. If not. Lynch one of us. Ez. 2 lynches left. Sure, but if you are both town it is as much your job to find the mafia as it is ours. I will not drive discussion today or decide a lynch early. No need for a second dead dayphase in a row and I need the remaining townies to show themselves/commit to something without just following my lead because it is impossible to find mafia otherwise. I already did those things. I went through mocsta and mderg. My call is both are town.I have pulled quotes that make those people town. I have gave my reasoning why Rels is mafia. If you want more give analysis yourself and I will conment. But I have done more than any of you today. And I have reached a conclusion. On January 31 2018 08:04 Koshi wrote:So yeah. I think JAT knows I am town. I also think he will vote Rels. Mocsta will most likely vote me. He convinced himself over the course of the game and needs to see my flip. mderg I don't know. Probably has the deciding vote. I was nice to mderg. But Rels has been pocketing him quite well as well. I think there is enough evidence and data in this thread. gl hf to the players.  On January 31 2018 08:46 Koshi wrote:
Damerion filter probably looks the best for Mocsta. Btdt Mocsta and HF were the people he tried to sell his claim the most too.
Nothing on mderg and the little reply to Rels is not enough to base anything on. On January 31 2018 09:07 Koshi wrote:
Ovwrall I would be suprised if both df and damerion talked so much about their teammate Mocsta.
Mderg has a low filter and it makes sense mafia doesnt talk about him if he is town. Just keep him alive and dont townclear him to the thread.
Mderg on the other hand talked about them. So I think it is more likely mafia ignored and didnt talk to town!mderg to draw less attention to them. And mderg probably didnt have enough weight in the thread to ve listened to by the vets.
Rels looks the worst because both the mafia didnt talk about him. And like I said before, Rels didnt prodded them enough. Rels even +1ed a good post against damerion early vut didnt take that into consideration later.
Conclusion is same as before. Rels is mafia. On January 31 2018 18:33 Koshi wrote:
Dnu about that lylo. I am not sure I would lynch mderg. And not sure Mocsta will as well.
Goddamn I read mderg 2 times already.
It is true his play is safe. Hmmm. I guess we need to meta read now... if he is more emotional as town. Because I have 0 meta in my head. On February 01 2018 09:18 Koshi wrote:
I think town loses though. 50/50 I am right. And then mocsta thinks I am mafia so...
JAT do something good during night. Think we will need it. On February 01 2018 16:34 Koshi wrote:
I woke up knowing it is mocsta.
Him lynching outside his 60/40 is indeed super bad.
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jat.. koshi keeps appealing to your fear
im showing you facts.
koshi knew I was sided with mderg
koshi knew the final 3 with me + mderg is GG
koshi kills mderg knowing you will side with him
dont fall for this immature emotional bullshit
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On February 02 2018 20:53 Koshi wrote:
As mafia it really doesnt make sense for me not to kill JAT. I probably killed him n1. Or killed Rels. ...... ]FALSE OR MISLEADING INFORMATION - JUDGE
you werent in the game
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like this is literally immediate quotes from people near their death..
Rels = Town
On February 01 2018 05:15 Rels wrote:
anyway I'm really tired so I'm gonna go to sleep soonish. If I'm lynched, I think mderg is scum. Like, 90% sure I think.
I cannot see Mocsta being scum.
I can see Koshi being scum, but if he is he's playing well now. But he can definitely tryhard for a few days as scum. What pushed me is that host WIFOM thing. I still think scum don't get replaced like that when the game cuold just have ended with a modkill. It doesn't make sense to me. I think it makes Koshi 90% town. I would be way less sure if it was Mocsta vs Koshi.
mderg = not firm town, not firm scum (similar outcome to Rels...)
On January 31 2018 21:13 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 21:03 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 20:48 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 20:31 mderg wrote:On January 31 2018 20:18 mderg wrote:
Taking a look at Mocsta now Not the most impressive day1, some pressure on df but latched onto the damdred wagon. I don't particularly like his reasons for voting damdred. Took a very strong stance on df being scum in night1, though. Lots of long-winded explanations throughout the whole game which often made me struggle to see where he's going. Did have more proper reads than I remembered, it's just the votes that go to the easy wagons to jump on. Day2 was talking about lots of things but put his vote on prplhz without talking that much about him. Not that there was much to be said about prlphz, little content, looked pretty scummy. Day3 was hard to follow his thought process, lots of theorizing, some defending of Damerion but not really committing to it. Was convinced of Damerion's scumminess by jat. "Sheeped" Hf on kmatt. I kind of liked him going against the thread to lynch kmatt over hf. Didn't particularly like the "everyone who cares is probably" town line of reasoning. Day4 was kind of dead, Mocsta wanted kmatt over hf lynch. Not sure why he voted hf, though. Overall a decent amount of prodding, some good posts and thoughts, often missing direction, difficult to follow his thought process. The things he said were townie, the things he did a bit less so.
RSoultin = Town
On January 23 2018 20:57 rsoultin wrote:
And anyway, sorry holyflare. I know that if you're town you really want it to be mocsta, [green]but rereading his filter his interactions with darth foley don't look like scum v scum to me.[/green[ Volatile double buss for what purpose?
JAT.. this game comes down to Darthfoley.. either you agree I wanted him lynched Day2.. or you dont.
On January 20 2018 23:26 Mocsta wrote:I shall illuminate my top 2 reads in further detail to connect how and more importantly why they are a scum pairing. Please refer to my 4000 word case below. Why is DF scumRead DF Filter, and dont tell me you dont see this.... + Show Spoiler +Why is HF scumRead HF Filter, and dont tell me you dont see this... + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTHo1KpOjCsKi538Y_c9XMB_mN5vCd0B0Vw94Wupj4u4XP7Qkpj) and... wait for it. ![[image loading]](https://media1.tenor.com/images/bd7e85e963017a2ae67c845649af98e6/tenor.gif?itemid=7658718) On January 30 2018 19:49 Koshi wrote:
I understand this post now.
It is quite funny.
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On February 02 2018 21:00 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2018 20:56 Mocsta wrote:
jat.. koshi keeps appealing to your fear
im showing you facts.
koshi knew I was sided with mderg
koshi knew the final 3 with me + mderg is GG
koshi kills mderg knowing you will side with him
dont fall for this immature emotional bullshit Koshi is literally doing the opposite. He was doing his best for me to lynch him. I don't see why the other final 3 would be gg. I also don't see why koshi would know that I will side with him when during the night I literally gave reasons for him to be mafia and not you. at least he has a debaters chance with you.
i didnt buckle on mderg.. been reading him hipster town all game.
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On February 02 2018 21:38 Koshi wrote:
You forgot the quote where you let JAT lynch your hipster townread and Rels called you conf mafia.
And whats the scum motivation again??
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Is your mind made up by the vote
Or is it now a countdown?
Its saturday. A family day. And im not going to put in further effort unless there is a chance to change the outcome.
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P.s.
Mdeeg in no way shape or form indicates im the best lynch in LYLO
You are making connections to suit your theory
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On February 03 2018 10:11 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2018 09:59 Mocsta wrote:
Is your mind made up by the vote
Or is it now a countdown?
Its saturday. A family day. And im not going to put in further effort unless there is a chance to change the outcome. I will always reevaluate if you present a convincing argument. But 12 hours from now I will leave and from then on I can only check the thread really sparsely if at all. I struggle to believe this is true even if you believe it.
You read koshi more town than me and now are choosing to interpret things scummy that you strongly did not prior due solely to PoE and connections to suit your narrative.
Whlst its frustrating to have invested 2 weeks into this, I dont blame you for our loss. Its me who should come across townier to you.
Theres not much more to be said. All your points raised prior about me are wrong and 180 from views held ALL game by multiple strong town players.
Enjoy your weekend.
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Dont.
Writing my final post now.
Im happy you are here to give honest evaluation.
I was uncertain if you would read it before deadline.
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JAT,
Firstly, thank you for articulating why you voted me.
I do appreciate the time, effort and thought behind your reasoning.
I also happen to agree on much of the analysis – so much so, that I had to question my role PM!
Some of these points include:
- Soft bus potential
- Repeatedly pointing out “interesting interactions
- HF lynch behaviour
Unfortunately the conclusions drawn are false.
For example:
- Yes, you could argue there was potential for a soft bus – and we will never know as DF was night killed. I think its obvious to anyone that commented on my 4000-word DF case that he was my #1 target for Day2. I think its also clear that I followed my next lead – HF throughout this cycle. Yes, I voted Prplhz, but, with his direct avoidance of DF – no one can be critiqued for this, remember, all other voters on that wagon to date have been town.
- I noted your comment above on “interesting interactions” above for different reasons to yourself. It is perhaps scummy because I do not always draw a conclusion to the query raised. However, your assertion is that they were raised as a subtle means of drawing attention to the soft bus. Other than a response during this LYLO, I challenge you to find a passage of play where I do this. The fact is, that I don’t. The other fact is that, any player that has read my filter brings this up of their own accord.
- Further, your comments regarding lack of follow up with DarthFoley on Day1 is not appropriate. Perhaps my case on Damdred was more OMGUS than I realised at the time; however, to say that I should have diluted the validity of my case and vote by chasing multiple scumspects is ridiculous.
- The rationale behind a picture case was that this best conveyed my gut feeling when reading his filter – something I struggled to articulate in words. As I intended, and in your own words a “brutal” case and unlikely to be mafia v mafia (where the truth leads to easy articulation).
- Lastly, I did challenge the validity of Damerion claim.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/529865-newbie-student-mafia-xxviii?page=42#833
This is literally 2minutes before you destroyed the claim by alluding to being “potential X” – i.e. BLUE. This is something that Koshi also glosses over.
- I won’t comment further on the assertion that a final-3 mafia would rely on an AFK townie to win a game. That is frankly, a preposterous reason to declare someone scum and is in no way, shape or form congruent with how I have played this game over the past 2 weeks. To be honest, it is insulting to even be associated with that train of thought.
Hence, I am of the opinion that your analysis was predetermined to condition me as scum due to Process of Evaluation rather than discerning pure scum motive. This is made clear by how you town read Koshi/Kmatt prior to jumping to my filter.
I have truly run out of time to continue this further; however, Kmatt/Koshi are scum as summarised by the following:
Case 1: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/529865-newbie-student-mafia-xxviii?page=77#1533
Case 2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/529865-newbie-student-mafia-xxviii?page=84#1663
Koshi effort is purely superficial and hinges upon survival. Yes, a townie wants to survive as well; however, even in LYLO, Koshi is unable to speak of why I am scum.
Further, Koshi was completely aware that I would choose mderg over himself 99 times out of 100.
Shooting mderg was always the smart play. Especially after I had drawn needless attention to myself.
Solving this game really can be distilled down to this question.
Don’t ask yourself just about my actions as a mafia.
Ask yourself.
Would any mafia continue to draw attention on themselves in pivotal moments throughout this game: e.g the BTDT RB, the HF lynch, the Rels lynch.
What is there to gain?
If BTDT was that critical for mafia, the game wouldn’t be in the final 3.
Rels was obviously going to be hammered.
The only thing for mafia to gain by performing my actions is to lose the game.
If you agree, the only place a vote should be placed is Koshi.
##Vote: Koshi
+ Show Spoiler [FOR "KOSHI" EYES ONLY] +On February 03 2018 17:47 Koshi wrote:
Go get yourself a cookie. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Le5FurY.jpg)
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Only thing i will comment further is that i never had intent to lynch mderg
It was a joke vote thing and totally stupid and that action has cost the game.
I was never leaving the vote on mderg but alas
See you in 10hrs i guess
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P.s.
Koshi sole reason to state im mafia is holyflare who never voted me
Disappointing jat
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Did you open the spoiler that was just for you?
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There is much to talk post game
For now. This is pointless.
Bye.
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Stop beibg try hard jat
I now think you are mafia vet
##vote:JAT
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All good JAT - Well done - LYLO was your most decisive display this game.
Mafia is a game of mistakes, and I do truly believe that the "mderg vote" was the straw the broke the camels back. Without the DF soft-bus heuristic in play, people stopped thinking I was auto-town.
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https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/w3PnawxdenNA
obs /m100 is beautiful summary
good followthrough damdred.
for the record, i dont believe i voted you at an opportune time.
i started that case to shit on damerion for a stupid case.
Then i found something that I thought was scummy enough to send a vote on.
Had nothing to do with wagon timings and momentum 
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On February 04 2018 09:19 Koshi wrote:
I take all credit. ty fans.
Start of LYLO was extremely humerous for me
Thank you for that.
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thanks kita
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