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I made a case on him and you said I'm mafia instead and he's left the thread after now just calling me weird and there's not much else to do.
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Hard pass. I'm not old hf. Only reason I can post today is because work is slacking but even then I can't do that.
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On January 27 2018 00:14 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 00:03 Holyflare wrote:
Ok, let's hypothetically say I'm not mafia. Who is mafia now then? Low hanging fruit analogy is bull shit when it's not btdt who already looked fine, it's not likely twat/jat because they looked fine at the beginning of the game (yes, I said they might be mafia this cycle but ignore that) it's probably not rels. So that leaves mocsta, who was my scum read or kmatt who has become my scum read.
I looked into kmatt, I found a lot of inconsistencies and points that were strange and made a case. His filter is really small and full of just posting for literally the sake of posting pretty much +1ing or being contradictory to a main wagon. He has no scum reads, he scum read a town read and that's about it. I don't like this type of question 'cause if I'm sure you're scum, it's also because I have reasons to townread everyone else. If you're not scum, the obvious answer is Kmatt, but more by default and 'cause I have stronger reasons to townread anyone else than him. But he looks more like low-activity town than scum.
What are your reasons to town read mderg, mocsta and kmatt?
I feel like you're lying and you don't have reasons to town read some of them but you're so far gone you don't see another conclusion.
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On January 27 2018 00:14 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
Hard pass. I'm not old hf. Only reason I can post today is because work is slacking but even then I can't do that. Next day is during weekend.
I'm not here on weekends, you crazy?
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I might be. I'll try to be but don't count on it.
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I would without a doubt direct the team to rb whoever we kill and then get my team to claim rb when they need to. If I didn't read the op. If I read the op I would rb who we kill and then get my team to claim rb.
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On January 27 2018 01:27 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2018 04:34 Kmatt wrote:
Personally an uncontested cop claim warrants reconsideration, but I seem to be alone in that regard. Show nested quote +On January 25 2018 02:36 Kmatt wrote:
I don't like lynching Damerion here without a counterclaim. It may not have been the best plan to spill the beans at the moment, but lynching him wins us no information at this point, and is unlikely to flip red (unless there's a counterclaim. Doc, if you're out there, now would be a good time). Even if he gets suppressed the rest of the game, he still votes with the town and/or eats a nightkill. As it stands BTDT or maybe HF are the better lynches. Show nested quote +On January 25 2018 03:45 Kmatt wrote:
lmao no. If I see a counterclaim of any other blue I would hang him on the spot. The fact that no townie is taking an easy 1-for-1 tells me that he wasn't bullshitting. uh oh
He's you 6 games ago.
But mafia.
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On January 27 2018 01:40 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 01:20 beentheredonethat wrote:
the thing is that if Rels is so tunneled on someone, it always ends up a guy being town and then Rels flips town when he gets lynched in lylo for whatever weird reason. So we're gonna lose this game because of this nightkill, a holyflare mislynch into a Rels mislynch. that's pretty wrong actually. That happened, but more often than not late game I'm tunneling a scum. Sometimes he gets lynched sometimes I get lynched. My play gets better the farther we advance in the game .
Hahahahahaha
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It's not fucking wifom. I am a no risk mafia player that takes the safest route possible and would never not rb a kill with a veteran possible. Especially if it's notified. If you're saying I didn't read the op as mafia that's dumb but I can see you making that argument anyway but even then I still do the same thing.
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On January 27 2018 01:48 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 01:45 Holyflare wrote:
It's not fucking wifom. I am a no risk mafia player that takes the safest route possible and would never not rb a kill with a veteran possible. Especially if it's notified. If you're saying I didn't read the op as mafia that's dumb but I can see you making that argument anyway but even then I still do the same thing. If you do not read the op then I wouldn't agree that you'd never rb someone else. Adding to that you might not be the one who sent in the rbs so it just defaults to WIFOM.
I don't think I've ever been in a game where I haven't sent actions myself or had input into it. Certainly if there's a veteran then I would definitely advocate or even command that we rb the target. I don't think I've ever not read the op as mafia either whereas I have countless times as town.
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On January 27 2018 03:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
whoa Rels calm your tits, keep the caps to yourself and don't spam question marks If that makes you feel better, I was much more angry before, then I edited these posts before posting so that my point is crystal clear. I think the problem is that you ignored the first D3 post of Kmatt, in which: - he talks about a GF - he scumread you So that makes your whole theory fall apart.
Which adds to the whole world theory that kmatt is mafia because he can't even be consistent with his reads through one cycle.
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On January 27 2018 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 03:17 Rels wrote:On January 27 2018 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
whoa Rels calm your tits, keep the caps to yourself and don't spam question marks If that makes you feel better, I was much more angry before, then I edited these posts before posting so that my point is crystal clear. I think the problem is that you ignored the first D3 post of Kmatt, in which: - he talks about a GF - he scumread you So that makes your whole theory fall apart. Which adds to the whole world theory that kmatt is mafia because he can't even be consistent with his reads through one cycle. It is entirely consistent.
Not really. He says that btdt is sketchy but then lists out "potential remaining town" and says mocsta is also sketchy but then says that he'll let him pass because of the cop check. It's just choosing names and seeing what sticks. Why does he not let btdt slide for being rbd AND cop checked?
Now that the cop is dead he didn't revisit any of those reads. In fact he didn't even mention them again because he is jumping on the opportunity to follow sentiment and go for me.
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On January 27 2018 04:43 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 04:39 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:On January 27 2018 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 03:17 Rels wrote:On January 27 2018 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
whoa Rels calm your tits, keep the caps to yourself and don't spam question marks If that makes you feel better, I was much more angry before, then I edited these posts before posting so that my point is crystal clear. I think the problem is that you ignored the first D3 post of Kmatt, in which: - he talks about a GF - he scumread you So that makes your whole theory fall apart. Which adds to the whole world theory that kmatt is mafia because he can't even be consistent with his reads through one cycle. It is entirely consistent. Not really. He says that btdt is sketchy but then lists out "potential remaining town" and says mocsta is also sketchy but then says that he'll let him pass because of the cop check. It's just choosing names and seeing what sticks. Why does he not let btdt slide for being rbd AND cop checked? Now that the cop is dead he didn't revisit any of those reads. In fact he didn't even mention them again because he is jumping on the opportunity to follow sentiment and go for me. 'cause he scumread BTDT previously + he had this theory on how he would fakeclaim a roleblock if he was scum. They're not great posts but they're not scummy.
No. He also scum reads mocsta. It's literally in his posts. "Mocsta has posted a lot of empty words and doesn't seem towny but the cop check so he's town". It's totally arbitrary giving of alignments. Either way now that the cop isn't a cop and is dead both of them should be his scum reads totally. If he truly scum read btdt (and mocsta) why isn't he reinvigorated after this?
Instead he jumps on my post where I ask him for reads in the most weird way possible.
On January 26 2018 09:55 Kmatt wrote:No I just can't buy this. Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
because if you're not mafia like rels is implying then you'll be next after I die and it would be good to get your reads out in the open you know? I hate hate hate this post. How on Earth does Town!Holyflare back off now of all times? I don't pretend to have memorized meta, but I just can't accept anything but a full game-ending crusade against me at this point. I'll be the first to admit that my game so far is abysmal. I can't play town for shite to begin with, and this is a particularly foul example. You have every reason to doubt me. And you did! Repeatedly! There was a wall of text a few pages back. Town!Holyflare has this game served to him on a silver platter. The only thing that happened between then and now is a red flip that you predicted when I defended him to the end. Suddenly Rels calls the banners and now you doubt my scumminess. I could almost see you going full OMGUS and turning on Rels, but you just alluded to him being town too. The only reason someone could reasonably townread me at this point is PoE (which requires a stronger scumread than me, which you didn't have an hour ago) or pure gut.
Read this. Absorb it. How on earth does this game make sense in that way? If he is town why has town Holyflare got this game served up on a silver platter? This is backwards thinking in totality. He has gone:
"Holyflare scum reads me. Lynching me as town would be bad. Oh he's backing off and asking for my reads now. Wtf that's so scummy, he could have won if he just lynched me???"
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On January 27 2018 05:03 mderg wrote:
Skimmed through the last 10 pages. Am I correct in thinking that hf's defense icomes down to "If I was mafia, I would do things differently"?
My defense is kmatt is mafia.
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On January 27 2018 05:18 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 05:12 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 04:43 Rels wrote:On January 27 2018 04:39 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:On January 27 2018 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 03:17 Rels wrote:On January 27 2018 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
whoa Rels calm your tits, keep the caps to yourself and don't spam question marks If that makes you feel better, I was much more angry before, then I edited these posts before posting so that my point is crystal clear. I think the problem is that you ignored the first D3 post of Kmatt, in which: - he talks about a GF - he scumread you So that makes your whole theory fall apart. Which adds to the whole world theory that kmatt is mafia because he can't even be consistent with his reads through one cycle. It is entirely consistent. Not really. He says that btdt is sketchy but then lists out "potential remaining town" and says mocsta is also sketchy but then says that he'll let him pass because of the cop check. It's just choosing names and seeing what sticks. Why does he not let btdt slide for being rbd AND cop checked? Now that the cop is dead he didn't revisit any of those reads. In fact he didn't even mention them again because he is jumping on the opportunity to follow sentiment and go for me. 'cause he scumread BTDT previously + he had this theory on how he would fakeclaim a roleblock if he was scum. They're not great posts but they're not scummy. No. He also scum reads mocsta. It's literally in his posts. "Mocsta has posted a lot of empty words and doesn't seem towny but the cop check so he's town". It's totally arbitrary giving of alignments. Either way now that the cop isn't a cop and is dead both of them should be his scum reads totally. If he truly scum read btdt (and mocsta) why isn't he reinvigorated after this? Instead he jumps on my post where I ask him for reads in the most weird way possible. On January 26 2018 09:55 Kmatt wrote:No I just can't buy this. On January 26 2018 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
because if you're not mafia like rels is implying then you'll be next after I die and it would be good to get your reads out in the open you know? I hate hate hate this post. How on Earth does Town!Holyflare back off now of all times? I don't pretend to have memorized meta, but I just can't accept anything but a full game-ending crusade against me at this point. I'll be the first to admit that my game so far is abysmal. I can't play town for shite to begin with, and this is a particularly foul example. You have every reason to doubt me. And you did! Repeatedly! There was a wall of text a few pages back. Town!Holyflare has this game served to him on a silver platter. The only thing that happened between then and now is a red flip that you predicted when I defended him to the end. Suddenly Rels calls the banners and now you doubt my scumminess. I could almost see you going full OMGUS and turning on Rels, but you just alluded to him being town too. The only reason someone could reasonably townread me at this point is PoE (which requires a stronger scumread than me, which you didn't have an hour ago) or pure gut. Read this. Absorb it. How on earth does this game make sense in that way? If he is town why has town Holyflare got this game served up on a silver platter? This is backwards thinking in totality. He has gone: "Holyflare scum reads me. Lynching me as town would be bad. Oh he's backing off and asking for my reads now. Wtf that's so scummy, he could have won if he just lynched me???" I'd argue that scum puts a lot more effort into making sure their reasoning looks consistent than town
That's a really weak argument. I expect someone that struggles to post reads to struggle to post a concrete foundation for why they scum read somebody when they have to fabricate it which is how you come up with the above. He's mafia and is using backwards logic to try and justify it.
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On January 27 2018 05:42 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 05:12 Holyflare wrote:
Read this. Absorb it. How on earth does this game make sense in that way? If he is town why has town Holyflare got this game served up on a silver platter? This is backwards thinking in totality. He has gone: Because Town!Holyflare was winning this game on cruise control. You, on the other hand, took the nonsensical logical twist of: Damerion is scum and Kmatt is scum as well >Damerion flips scum Therefore, Kmatt must not be scum
If you are town how am I winning the town on cruise control?
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I also never called you not mafia
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Well now he can explain it
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What are you talking about? I'm going to get lynched and I will flip town. Then you will absolutely default to being the next lynch so it's better to leave a legacy with no stone left unturned than be wrong and lose the game.
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Your reason to town read mocsta/kmatt is really, really quite weak.
Either way you guys shouldn't listen to the above at all. Your mderg town read is also quite bad because things like:
Everything df said (except the townread on Rels imo) kind of makes sense. But I had pretty much no idea what he said before going through his filter. So his play feels a bit off despite making logically sound arguments.
give me such major scummy vibes that it's unreal. Everything df said was fine but he had no idea what he said beforehand therefore he's scummy? That's a fucking ODD read to have.
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