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On January 31 2018 07:53 Koshi wrote:
imo that is a pretty good post by Kmatt. But then again. I know he was being honest.
mderg/Mocsta/JAT can be the judges. well one of the issues I had with that post you are referring to is the insertion of "5d chessboard"
To me, thats a very forced joke, as a continuation of "4d chessboard" from very early Day1 - that people found humerous.
To me it demonstrated a mindset that was trying to make that point more convincing by associating it with a past memory (in kmatt favour). Thats a weak scum tell to me.
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This is the challenge for me this cycle:
I have issues with Kmatt play - that Koshi simply cannot address.
Even if scum, and with QT knowledge; it doesnt explain every action Kmatt took - as people have different styles etc.
So i have to evaluate Koshi on how he is reading Rels/mderg/mocsta;
and Rels on the whole game.
Its really hard for me not to be biased against Koshi, simply because I have unanswered questions about Kmatt.
The other problem I have with Koshi is that, whilst I appreciate he appears to have speed-read the game. His analysis is extremely superficial as its a stream of consciousness approach, with a one-line summary for analytical conclusion.
I also agree that Koshi is being double-standard by accusing Rels of pocketing mderg; and arguably, is doing the same thing with me and others. Clearly at least one is town, so its really a non-alignment indicative tell....
I also really dont know how to get meaningful questions from Koshi, as a lot of the late-game stuff to me is ... ?useless?.. i.e. predetermined lynches and even RSoultin said prplhz was legitimate for town and scum.
I keep thinking this game comes back to interactions with DF and Damerion - Im going to have a focused peruse for Rels at this stage.
Actually, Koshi, I would like your thoughts on a dedicated dive into DF and Damerion please - with emphasis on Rels and mderg (and sure, myself)
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On January 31 2018 09:07 Koshi wrote:
Ovwrall I would be suprised if both df and damerion talked so much about their teammate Mocsta.
Mderg has a low filter and it makes sense mafia doesnt talk about him if he is town. Just keep him alive and dont townclear him to the thread.
Mderg on the other hand talked about them. So I think it is more likely mafia ignored and didnt talk to town!mderg to draw less attention to them. And mderg probably didnt have enough weight in the thread to ve listened to by the vets.
Rels looks the worst because both the mafia didnt talk about him. And like I said before, Rels didnt prodded them enough. Rels even +1ed a good post against damerion early vut didnt take that into consideration later.
Conclusion is same as before. Rels is mafia. This is quite an interesting observation - I like it a lot actually.
If I go back to my VCA assessment, where DF was never actually under pressure to be lynched; well, scum!Rels can freely sheep RSoultin as he wishes.
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yucky...
flicking through DF/Damerion was meh
DF is calling anyone that agrees with his read, or calls him town: town.
So that includes Kmatt and Rels.
Damerion only talks to people against the Damdred case.
I was hoping that would be more illuminating.
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On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.
Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.
He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.
And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.
This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.
Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.
I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me. On January 21 2018 22:37 Mocsta wrote:
in hindsight .. i dont like this post
Note the capital No mid sentence.. reflects to me an importance om darthfoley
Want to hear more from this guy.
Tell me about mderg pls
On January 22 2018 21:47 Rels wrote:
lol it's so far fetched was it Rels...?
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On January 30 2018 20:11 Koshi wrote:
Rels you pocketed mderg really well. That is a job insanely nicely done. Never attacked him, and step by step gained his trust. 😄 I have ctrl+f "mderg" in Rels filter, and he only starts dishing him praise during the HF lynch - when asked to give reads on players by JAT.
Why does not attacking someone equate to pocketing?
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I find this Day1 sequence of events quite fascinating.
Rels does not agree that DF BTDT read is for valid reasons.
He has already switched from Damdred to BTDT.
So Damdred request to vote DF, should trigger an investigatory mindset with Rels.
- Instead, this is brushed off, with "we have a few hours" and never revisited.
Rels agrees with RSoultin that Damdred is not a good lynch option.
DF requests info from Rels. And this comes across as if he is correcting DF, rather than discering why the logic is wrong.
Again, an investigatory mindset should be triggered.. in particular because of the Damdred comment prior.
Some back/forth with HF, causes Rels to swap votes back to Damdred.
The anotehr last minute swap.
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On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:
The fact that like 4 people are agreeing with my scum read on BTDT while also pushing me is scummy as fuck. On January 20 2018 04:55 Rels wrote:
Your BTDT read is not very good TBH. We both didn't like the same post but I don't think your reasons to scumread BTDT are very good.
On January 20 2018 04:58 Conversion wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta
beentheredonethat (5): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley
Not Voting (4): Kmatt, beentheredonethat, damdred, prplhz
On January 20 2018 05:17 Damdred wrote:
need two more votes on df fast, or he will save himself and im lynched. On January 20 2018 05:46 Rels wrote:
we still have a few hours
On January 20 2018 05:55 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 05:49 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:43 Damerion wrote:On January 20 2018 05:33 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.
Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.
He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.
And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.
This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.
Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.
I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me. You! I need a game where you've used this meta read before. Not specifically the 'like' bit. Your last game with him you focused on him a bit, but I saw nothing to indicate a meta way of reading him that you resort to so early in the game as you did this one. And I can't be assed to go back through every game people play. Also, you're wrong on bussing. Forget the name of the game, but Damdred and Glowingbear bussed the shit out of each other in it to the point of being entirely detrimental to themselves and not knowing when to stop. Bussing is part of his scum play and a stated effort to change that doesn't mean he wouldn't buss, and doesn't invalidate a claim that he busses by any stretch. I do not believe I have ever used this exact meta read on Damdred before as it was something I picked out after he tricked me as scum last game we played. And also I quit focusing on him after he accidently killed TickTock (I believe). Generally speaking even without the flimsy meta of "like" that Damdred claims to have diacovered. The case has merits based on his response. Refusal to really reevaluate reads which he does so well normally and him trying to sew up a lynch so early. And your explanation for his not just jumping on btdt? I'd like to see how you built your meta case if it's entirely on that game in November. Well, obviously it couldn't be, because you'd also need town games. See what bugs me here is I have played with Damdred many times. I too have a meta way of reading him generally. And while some of your details are correct, we're reaching different conclusions. And you came out hard. Like you have a rock solid meta read on Damdred, tried and true, you know your shit, he's scum, period. For something just created from last game that's a ton of certainty when the game had barely started. It tickles my bullshit meter. So please walk me through it. this is a pretty sexy post
On January 20 2018 06:15 darthfoley wrote:
Also @rels can you expand on why my read on BTDT is correct but the reasons are wrong? Specifically please. On January 20 2018 06:56 Rels wrote:Sure. You attacked him for 2 things: his HF read progression and because he said something like "let's lynch some AFK". + Show Spoiler +On January 19 2018 05:02 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 18:56 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 18 2018 18:39 mderg wrote:On January 18 2018 18:30 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 18:24 mderg wrote:
I guess I shouldn't follow the general trend of making 1 or 2 posts and then disappearing into nothingness.
some minor townie points for rsoultin actually trying to play this game btw Much as that just warms me up inside, I'm way more interested on your thoughts on just about anything else this game. (Also, this is post #2. You haven't broken the cycle yet.) I'm out. Better things to do than stalk a half-dead thread. I'm disappointed in hf because the hf I know would be at 10 pages of filter right now. Mocsta looks like a crazy person, doesn't tell me anything about his alignment. Maybe someone has some meta knowledge. Everything else is a big ball of nothingness to me. Its a normal start for HF, youre giving him too much credit. No reason to be disappointed. The whole thing feels weird. Tina is having a good start, I like her. I also like hfs cream joke since it feels genuine, but that's pretty nai. Im eager to call out afkers and place some votes upon them to get them playing. BTDT strikes me as someone who's sort of just drifted through the game so far. Granted his filter is only a few posts, but the posts themselves seem careful not to step on any toes. The progression in this post is scummy to me 1. It's a normal start for HF, you're giving him too much credit. 2. HF's cream joke "feels genuine" (implied town read) 3. But it's NAI (so why imply a town read 3 words beforehand?) It just feels like a whole lot of hedging on HF. Show nested quote +Im eager to call out afkers and place some votes upon them to get them playing. This is basically the safest thing mafia can do ever lol. It doesn't ruffle any feathers. Have pressuring AFK people ever actually worked? They're AFK because... they aren't following the game. He also then ignores his own advice and throws a scum read on Mocsta. I'm not understanding his thought progression at all - it's not his HF read "progression" that is a problem. There is no problem saying he feels a joke is kinda genuine, but being unsure about it. It was very early in the game. - two things on the second part. First, everybody knows being like "let's lynch an AFK" and being passive is scummy. Saying it doesn't make anyone scum. Second, you then undermine your own point, since you say he acts differently that he said; so he should be townie in your POV ?
On January 20 2018 08:01 Holyflare wrote:
And it's ridiculous that you say that because you're simultaneously accusing me of deflecting off df while saying I'm not actually pushing anything. So which is it?
In fact that's such a bull shit accusation I'm removing you from the top of the list and moving you down to where df used to be. On January 20 2018 08:04 Rels wrote:
that makes no sense so whatever. You're still rambling pointlessly.
Explain to me why Damdred is scum because I don't see it. "Damdred's reaction" is not helpful. I don't see the "panic" you described yesterday in his reaction
leading to eventually:
On January 20 2018 08:41 Rels wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Damdred
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On January 20 2018 08:58 Rels wrote:
meh Damdred as scum would be claiming
let's lynch BTDT
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On January 31 2018 16:17 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 08:19 Mocsta wrote:On January 31 2018 07:10 Rels wrote:On January 30 2018 09:03 Mocsta wrote:
I cant believe that worked haha can you explain what you were trying to achieve ? Koshi replaced in, what, a couple hours before deadline? There is no way any replacement could meaningfully read the thread and draw conclusions. The QT should be much more manageable. So, when I woke up to see a replacement that is insta-calling me scum, and not in an OMGUS-way: My scum read on Kmatt/Koshi was amplified further. In my mind I was testing whether Koshi was making kill selection on thread or QT strategy. If BTDT was legitimately RB (which clearly now is the case) for being perceived as medic; I see him as a real threat to scum as another delay to LYLO should be default town win. If BTDT was faking the RB, I would expect scum (inc. Koshi) to clasp onto the JAT notice and shoot him. I mean, JAT being blue was so obvious from how he destroyed Damerion *AND* refused to discuss claims with BTDT. I didnt see it as a risk to output this as a competent scum would be shooting him anyways. =========== I have thought about it more and not sure its as telling as I had hoped. BTDT could have been shot purely for being "confirmed town" and/or unpredictable. BTDT could have been shot to focus on this type of discussion. Right now, I need to evaluate what Koshi has contributed this cycle - vs. the kill selection. Weird train of thought. Not really in a scummy way but how was Koshi supposed to be mafia if btdt fakeclaimed rb? Also I do not really follow entirely. Why did you post I was blue again? Did you actually think a mafia who reads the thread would be influenced by that? The only reason btdt is a somewhat valid nightkill is because he was almost unlynchable due to the rb. Otherwise it was an utterly terrible kill. In my mind the only thing that speaks for an uninformed mafia (e. g. Koshi) is that I have trouble seeing aplayer who knows what's up thinking that btdt saved me considering how we clashed this game. fair points.
not the smartest idea in hindsight!
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heres a q:
why would scum!rels argue with HFrelentlessly?
I dont see the purpose? wasnt it enough that he had majority vote?
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##Vote; Rels
Instead of addressing my day1 query.
starts to call koshi town and mderg scum... nice try
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On January 31 2018 19:31 Rels wrote:thinking about it. What's the query in that post ? Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 16:14 Mocsta wrote:I find this Day1 sequence of events quite fascinating. Rels does not agree that DF BTDT read is for valid reasons. He has already switched from Damdred to BTDT. So Damdred request to vote DF, should trigger an investigatory mindset with Rels. - Instead, this is brushed off, with "we have a few hours" and never revisited. Rels agrees with RSoultin that Damdred is not a good lynch option. DF requests info from Rels. And this comes across as if he is correcting DF, rather than discering why the logic is wrong. Again, an investigatory mindset should be triggered.. in particular because of the Damdred comment prior. Some back/forth with HF, causes Rels to swap votes back to Damdred. The anotehr last minute swap. ----------------- On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:
The fact that like 4 people are agreeing with my scum read on BTDT while also pushing me is scummy as fuck. On January 20 2018 04:55 Rels wrote:
Your BTDT read is not very good TBH. We both didn't like the same post but I don't think your reasons to scumread BTDT are very good. On January 20 2018 04:58 Conversion wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta
beentheredonethat (5): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley
Not Voting (4): Kmatt, beentheredonethat, damdred, prplhz
On January 20 2018 05:17 Damdred wrote:
need two more votes on df fast, or he will save himself and im lynched. On January 20 2018 05:46 Rels wrote:
we still have a few hours On January 20 2018 05:55 Rels wrote:On January 20 2018 05:49 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:43 Damerion wrote:On January 20 2018 05:33 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.
Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.
He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.
And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.
This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.
Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.
I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me. You! I need a game where you've used this meta read before. Not specifically the 'like' bit. Your last game with him you focused on him a bit, but I saw nothing to indicate a meta way of reading him that you resort to so early in the game as you did this one. And I can't be assed to go back through every game people play. Also, you're wrong on bussing. Forget the name of the game, but Damdred and Glowingbear bussed the shit out of each other in it to the point of being entirely detrimental to themselves and not knowing when to stop. Bussing is part of his scum play and a stated effort to change that doesn't mean he wouldn't buss, and doesn't invalidate a claim that he busses by any stretch. I do not believe I have ever used this exact meta read on Damdred before as it was something I picked out after he tricked me as scum last game we played. And also I quit focusing on him after he accidently killed TickTock (I believe). Generally speaking even without the flimsy meta of "like" that Damdred claims to have diacovered. The case has merits based on his response. Refusal to really reevaluate reads which he does so well normally and him trying to sew up a lynch so early. And your explanation for his not just jumping on btdt? I'd like to see how you built your meta case if it's entirely on that game in November. Well, obviously it couldn't be, because you'd also need town games. See what bugs me here is I have played with Damdred many times. I too have a meta way of reading him generally. And while some of your details are correct, we're reaching different conclusions. And you came out hard. Like you have a rock solid meta read on Damdred, tried and true, you know your shit, he's scum, period. For something just created from last game that's a ton of certainty when the game had barely started. It tickles my bullshit meter. So please walk me through it. this is a pretty sexy post On January 20 2018 06:15 darthfoley wrote:
Also @rels can you expand on why my read on BTDT is correct but the reasons are wrong? Specifically please. On January 20 2018 06:56 Rels wrote:Sure. You attacked him for 2 things: his HF read progression and because he said something like "let's lynch some AFK". + Show Spoiler +On January 19 2018 05:02 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 18:56 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 18 2018 18:39 mderg wrote:On January 18 2018 18:30 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 18:24 mderg wrote:
I guess I shouldn't follow the general trend of making 1 or 2 posts and then disappearing into nothingness.
some minor townie points for rsoultin actually trying to play this game btw Much as that just warms me up inside, I'm way more interested on your thoughts on just about anything else this game. (Also, this is post #2. You haven't broken the cycle yet.) I'm out. Better things to do than stalk a half-dead thread. I'm disappointed in hf because the hf I know would be at 10 pages of filter right now. Mocsta looks like a crazy person, doesn't tell me anything about his alignment. Maybe someone has some meta knowledge. Everything else is a big ball of nothingness to me. Its a normal start for HF, youre giving him too much credit. No reason to be disappointed. The whole thing feels weird. Tina is having a good start, I like her. I also like hfs cream joke since it feels genuine, but that's pretty nai. Im eager to call out afkers and place some votes upon them to get them playing. BTDT strikes me as someone who's sort of just drifted through the game so far. Granted his filter is only a few posts, but the posts themselves seem careful not to step on any toes. The progression in this post is scummy to me 1. It's a normal start for HF, you're giving him too much credit. 2. HF's cream joke "feels genuine" (implied town read) 3. But it's NAI (so why imply a town read 3 words beforehand?) It just feels like a whole lot of hedging on HF. Show nested quote +Im eager to call out afkers and place some votes upon them to get them playing. This is basically the safest thing mafia can do ever lol. It doesn't ruffle any feathers. Have pressuring AFK people ever actually worked? They're AFK because... they aren't following the game. He also then ignores his own advice and throws a scum read on Mocsta. I'm not understanding his thought progression at all - it's not his HF read "progression" that is a problem. There is no problem saying he feels a joke is kinda genuine, but being unsure about it. It was very early in the game. - two things on the second part. First, everybody knows being like "let's lynch an AFK" and being passive is scummy. Saying it doesn't make anyone scum. Second, you then undermine your own point, since you say he acts differently that he said; so he should be townie in your POV ? On January 20 2018 08:01 Holyflare wrote:
And it's ridiculous that you say that because you're simultaneously accusing me of deflecting off df while saying I'm not actually pushing anything. So which is it?
In fact that's such a bull shit accusation I'm removing you from the top of the list and moving you down to where df used to be. On January 20 2018 08:04 Rels wrote:
that makes no sense so whatever. You're still rambling pointlessly.
Explain to me why Damdred is scum because I don't see it. "Damdred's reaction" is not helpful. I don't see the "panic" you described yesterday in his reaction leading to eventually: On January 20 2018 08:41 Rels wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Damdred & On January 20 2018 08:58 Rels wrote:
meh Damdred as scum would be claiming
let's lynch BTDT ok, query was wrong word.
moreso, I thought this series of observations would have at least raised a reply of some form.
re: koshi.. i get the narrative that mderg is raised to #1 Rels suspect; which lowers koshi suspcion levels
but... i dont get any understanding of why suddenly that defaults to him being town.. especialy when mderg is not hard scum in your eyes.
he has effort but its how he is doing it, means nothign to me... especially since i agreed with your statement that much of it is easy to fake/superficial.
i dont see how in 11hrs you go about face... pocketing, no?
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Rels,
My focus is not on why you swapped wagons; rather, the interaction with Damdred in respect to DarthFoley.
Re: prplhz
i.e.
On January 20 2018 08:10 prplhz wrote:
I will vote beentheredonethat. He's a veteran but I haven't played with him and he's got some votes. Would vote with rsoultin but she's voting darthfoley and I'm not lynching him D1 before reading the thread. I'll be more active, promise. Also Mocsta is scum for voting me.
##Vote beentheredonethat
I dont get the point of the post 11 days later re trying to save Damdred.Like, did you think Damdred/BTDT/DF were all town, of which BTDT was more expendible?
Again, my whole observation is that your read on DF is 'murky' to be polite during this passage of play - arguably very critical for scum.
In particular when combined with:
On January 20 2018 08:49 Rels wrote:
Damdred / prp / DF would explain prp's vote.
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On January 31 2018 20:10 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 20:06 Mocsta wrote:Rels, My focus is not on why you swapped wagons; rather, the interaction with Damdred in respect to DarthFoley.Re: prplhz i.e. On January 20 2018 08:10 prplhz wrote:
I will vote beentheredonethat. He's a veteran but I haven't played with him and he's got some votes. Would vote with rsoultin but she's voting darthfoley and I'm not lynching him D1 before reading the thread. I'll be more active, promise. Also Mocsta is scum for voting me.
##Vote beentheredonethat I dont get the point of the post 11 days later re trying to save Damdred.Like, did you think Damdred/BTDT/DF were all town, of which BTDT was more expendible? Again, my whole observation is that your read on DF is 'murky' to be polite during this passage of play - arguably very critical for scum. In particular when combined with: On January 20 2018 08:49 Rels wrote:
Damdred / prp / DF would explain prp's vote. Why don't you understand ? I initially had scumreads both BTDT and DF, more so on BTDT than on DF. Then I reread Damdred's explanation and I find it very unlikely + prp votes BTDT. So in that context, Damdred / prp / DF makes sense as a team, with prp voting with neither of his partners. the scum read on DF is new to me.
That aside, this is making my head hurt.
So that timestamp for damd/prp/df team lines up with when you REVOTED damdred
So if you are floating between damdred/prp as lynches.. why not stay fixed on DF who was in your scum team regardless?
im not following. especially cos "damdred doesnt claim" suddenly then, calls for everyone to jump off.
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thanks for summarising why i've made it this far.
its not actually a complement in the grand scheme of thigns 
where doth scum lay?
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On January 31 2018 20:29 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 18:53 Koshi wrote:On January 19 2018 21:04 mderg wrote:On January 19 2018 20:39 KelsierSC wrote:
I guess BTDT works as a lynch . I suppose he has a high chance of flipping scum.
Mderg you are here , what do you think about a BTDT lynch? I could consolidate on a btdt lynch Hmm mderg plays good as mafia. Knows when to back off from bussing if the opportunity arises. Dont know if this wagon happened. But mderg is good at not overcommiting to the bus. Blahhhh I cant lynch somebody like this. Like maybe in lylo or if JAT told me. Show nested quote +On January 31 2018 20:28 Koshi wrote:
Dont worry guys. JAT will solve the game. Maybe it isn't town Koshi after all :/ Koshi.. I think you need to vote JAT as per your math rules
:/
im stuck, tired, and kid is having trouble sleeping.
going to unvote
i will be back at least 1hr before deadline
my gut is still saying koshi is the right lynch
my head is saying.. rels and mderg only started looking into eachotehr once koshi mentioned pocketing... but i still find rels day1 DF interactions very peculiar.
i have to sleep on this.
##Unvote
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On February 01 2018 07:44 Rels wrote:
Oh no mocsta didn't miss a vote either. im back
i have 10minutes now to catch up, clear thoughts.
then a meeting.
and back 10minutes before deadline.
i plan to vote before the meeting.
also, i saw ya comment on replacement WIFOM about Koshi.
If town, this is a terrible reason to read someone
The rules are pretty unbiased, and do not apply to specific phase intervals.
"Replacements:
This game uses replacements. Players who are inactive may be replaced by other players.
If you are unable to continue playing for a legitimate reason and require a replacement, inform the host(s) via PM. Do not post about it in the thread and do not contact the standby players on your own accord."
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On February 01 2018 03:27 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 00:59 Rels wrote:On January 18 2018 22:27 Damerion wrote:On January 18 2018 22:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 22:09 Damerion wrote:On January 18 2018 22:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:56 Damerion wrote:
Good morning,
I have decided with careful conaideration that Damdred is scum over DarthFoley and Mocsta. Or at least that I would much rather lynch him over both and then reevaluate at that point.
But onto my main point, Damdred is an extremely meta based player and has used exactly 0 points of meta to make his reads this game.
He also is gòing about thw game in a way that is not typical of him, he generally town hunts and only goes after his scum reads day two instead of pushing early day one when he town hunts. He also usually goes off the beaten path and looks where others do not.
And look what he is doing here, he bases his scum read of DarthFoley off one post.
Also I have a slight meta read on Damdred on his word usuage, in that he uses certain words when explaining his reads and he does not use it in any of his posts.
I think Damdred is scum and you all should join me in voting him off.
##vote Damdred
Is meta that thing where people based early reads on a player's past games? Anyways, Bold doesn't make since sense everyone who thinks Darthfoley is scum is doing the same. Can you explain the word usage point more in detail with examples? Meta is using past experiences with a player/previous games played, and applying it to current actions. Be it tone, how they approach reads etc.. Damdreds is extremely different at this point, especially considering he has paid attention to no town reads and has not really even interacted with anyone besides you and talks to you like you are confirmed town. Everyone else can do the same, that does not change the fact that Damdred never really goes after low hanging fruit, eapecially with this ferocity. I hate to give away the meta point, but he can get over it. Damdred is a super excitable player (which also is missing), and so when he feels like he is onto something hardcore he starts spamming the word Like, which always makes him sound like a valley girl but i digress. The main point is he seems to lack the excitement of finding scum and this changes the way he plays and points towards a scum game instead of town. Not saying you are wrong, but since I can't vidcate it. I'm going to focus on the last bit because the prior means I either have to trust you, or play with Damdred before. I will say he seems to at least had a list of town members a page or two back. I don't know if that is what you refer to as town hunting. He does seem to have a desire to wait it out to vote. Won't comment further since he was around, and I am in treated in how he will respond. So while I do have some opinion on your read on him, I'm not going to give a way for him to get out of your read. He has BeenThereDoneThat, Holyflare and Rsoultin as his town I believe. Damdred believes Holyflare is the best mafia player on the site and always hedges on him, so his read on Holyflare seems out of character at the time. His read on BeenThereDoneThat is based on much less than he normally would give, and no reasoning or interaction with Rsoultin. Damdred is excellent at finding town, I believe he might be the best in that regard. However this is out of line for him to act this way. I will respect you wanting to wait on him however. This is true I don't like this. 3rd post you make in this game and you are not looking at the game critically searching for mafia. You just bold an unimportant thing and +1 that. Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 23:23 Rels wrote:On January 19 2018 07:07 rsoultin wrote:
I think my phone is now cutting off sentences or in posting too sleepily :/
DF reason to post first post not clear to me.
Want to lynch HF for difficult to explain reasons. I think it's mostly a sense of leechyness, like he's a mind parasite adding bottom but etting some things on and kissing in others. Both of which he can also do as an active player but usually with his own thoughts actually mixed in. I also know that lynching him is like pulling teeth, especially on day one.
How do you expect me to have a conversation with Damdred when we werent around at the same time, Rels? This post is pretty townie. To answer the question: dunno. I don't know if that rsoultin post is townie. Looks like gibberish. So I don't like you don't pressure rsoultin here. I saw somebody call you out on this read and you explain it. But the lack of pressuring people is bad. meh. I have no clue why. Which I should have reading his filter. Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 08:15 Rels wrote:On January 20 2018 08:04 Holyflare wrote:On January 20 2018 08:04 Rels wrote:On January 20 2018 08:01 Holyflare wrote:
And it's ridiculous that you say that because you're simultaneously accusing me of deflecting off df while saying I'm not actually pushing anything. So which is it?
In fact that's such a bull shit accusation I'm removing you from the top of the list and moving you down to where df used to be. that makes no sense so whatever. You're still rambling pointlessly. Explain to me why Damdred is scum because I don't see it. "Damdred's reaction" is not helpful. I don't see the "panic" you described yesterday in his reaction read my filter where I outline it oh yeah you're right I think I want to vote Damdred again Rels looks really bad in this conversation with HF. Town vs Mafia bad. It was a nice deflection of the initial point HF raised though. Never answered. haha. Man... In your filter you should have always followed rsoultin and vote darthfoley. dafuq. You scumread hf, townread rsoultin. You never scumread Damdred, and you had problems with darthfoley. And you end up on Damdred with HF due to 1 miracle post and you "filterdiving" and finding 2 Damdred quotes. And then you even end up on btdt while df was just sitting there begging to be voted. Nha. Rels is mafia. Or at least deserves my vote today. ffs..this reinforces what i was commenting with Rels on Day1.
its ffs, cos i still want to vote you, but now i cant.
evidence of DF-partnering, overwhelming!
##Vote: Rels - the interplay with DF doesnt make sense to me at all.
You say DF was a scum read,
but your actions indicate DF was a town read.
DF was scum.
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On February 01 2018 04:23 Rels wrote:
lol. I always have a awful D1 as town, I don't know what to do. And I never state or change my reads without explanation as scum. So everything you quoted makes me town. Yeah I get that, thats all normal.
The problem being your actions treat DF as town. - In particular regarding to actions taken during vote time.
The only town explanation I can think of is that you did think DF was (weak) town, but you refuse to say that.
In fact this cycle you have commented you found DF scummy.
As an aggressive player, I would expect you to be able to own up to this. Hence my vote.
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Now, I understand why JAT hasnt voted, drunk or not.. Hes made it clear from the start, that he attempt to hammer.
What I dont get is why mderg hasnt voted, or indicated preference.
I dont find valid what Rels projected on mderg.
I can see mderg world, where, if town, and you have XYZ as reads; and the proactive influencers have XYZ as reads. Why do you need to promote a wagon - its already happening.
/gotta go
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On February 01 2018 08:51 justanothertownie wrote:
Hmmm... seems like my vote doesn't really matter right now.
well i would prefer if you werent modkilled.
taht would end the game too.
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EPT
ez game then
