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On December 16 2017 09:18 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2017 09:02 Forumite wrote:On December 16 2017 08:50 prplhz wrote:
Eh this mafia Palmar hiding behind SK idea is just too messed up and it's the most plausible explanation of Palmar being scum. If Palmar is taking credit for a SK shot then the SK will leave him to Town while shooting townies in the night. An SK isn´t going to kill Palmar for us. The only problem with this is why Grack? Vigis prefer to kill lurkers while SKs kill whoever is pushing them or is most likely to find them. SKs are fighting for survival, not eliminating scummy players. SKs hunt scum by day to fit in and look townie, but by night it´s all about looking out for themselves. Grack was one of the only people to publicly scumread Palmar at the time. Both he and Oats were on him since early on in the game. It wasn't until just before Oats went down that anyone else considered him seriously. That fits much better. SK Palmar killed Scum Grack, everyone else were fine with Palmar doing whatever. Not sure why Palmar was doing his weird claims though, he could have claimed Vigi instead and hoped that town would buy it a day or two, until too many nightkills made him a target again.
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On December 16 2017 09:31 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2017 09:18 Kmatt wrote:On December 16 2017 09:02 Forumite wrote:On December 16 2017 08:50 prplhz wrote:
Eh this mafia Palmar hiding behind SK idea is just too messed up and it's the most plausible explanation of Palmar being scum. If Palmar is taking credit for a SK shot then the SK will leave him to Town while shooting townies in the night. An SK isn´t going to kill Palmar for us. The only problem with this is why Grack? Vigis prefer to kill lurkers while SKs kill whoever is pushing them or is most likely to find them. SKs are fighting for survival, not eliminating scummy players. SKs hunt scum by day to fit in and look townie, but by night it´s all about looking out for themselves. Grack was one of the only people to publicly scumread Palmar at the time. Both he and Oats were on him since early on in the game. It wasn't until just before Oats went down that anyone else considered him seriously. That fits much better. SK Palmar killed Scum Grack, everyone else were fine with Palmar doing whatever. Not sure why Palmar was doing his weird claims though, he could have claimed Vigi instead and hoped that town would buy it a day or two, until too many nightkills made him a target again.
The problem with claiming vig is that as soon as the third scum player is out and the game hasn't ended (as per Arya's explanation), anyone with their head screwed on would know who to lynch. So long as a mafia player is alive the SK has plausible deniability. In a game with only 1 mafia left (assuming 3 at the start), our SK needs to buy as much time as possible before the town comes for him. Which is to say there are going to be two people who don't want the scum player lynched.
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On December 16 2017 08:20 prplhz wrote:
The simplest explanation about all of this Palmar stuff is that he's the vig but decided to fuck around for a while (which is fairly common for Palmar).
that's quite literally the opposite to common sense
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This is so beautiful. You almost never get to witness this as a knowing observer in mafia games. The entire thread is completely and utterly wrong on everything, stuck in a senseless tunnel based on simple fear. The fear is that mechanically I should be lynched for trolling and causing confusion.
Meanwhile prplhz is not only being correct, he's both correct for absolutely the right reasons and is laying out his case in such a clear and concise manner that you have to willfully ignore it to not agree. He's taking on the entire thread sentiment with stone cold logic. I am 100% certain that prplhz is town. The combination of the incredible applied skill to the situation, and the guts of taking on the inertia if this train of stupid...
I'm slightly aroused. I always knew prplhz is a very good and logical player, but this is a goddamn masterpiece unfolding.
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Like I am just utterly impressed. I've mostly resigned myself to the fact that I'm going to be lynched. I will not be around much if at all tomorrow due to rl obligations, so I can't defend myself at the deadline, which shrinks my already slim chances down to basically nothing.
I can accept being lynched, because yes, inexact game mechanics did screw me over a bit, and I shot mafia. So I'm rather content with my part in this game, even if we waste a lynch here.
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Regarding things to look at:
1) Holyflare is the only other player in the game that is theoretically capable of what prplhz has done. The fact he's ignoring it doesn't automatically make him mafia as he can be incredibly stubborn. However it should push him right to the top of any list of potential mafia. Also he's trying to push the narrative that the clear track last night does in any way relate to his alignment. It DOES NOT.
2) Forumite may have misjudged the willingness to lynch Oats. Don't overcommit to a townread on him just because he started the wagon on Oats.
3) listen to prplhz, he's town and he's smarter than all of you.
4) Force VE to keep playing, he's good and can cheerlead for prplhz. Also he's needed to get Chez to work.
5) Conversion, Kmatt, Eversince, Forumite. There are at least 3 townies among you. You HAVE to stand out, you have to do the work, keep questioning shit and don't allow the vets to run the game into the ground. Pick a player, read his filter, reach an independent conclusion. DO WORK. Don't allow the game to become a series of "default" lynches. Question everything.
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You are going to flip mafia and that clears me as not being SK. It does clear my alignment.
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On December 16 2017 07:38 Koshi wrote:
Palmar is 9 times out of 10 mafia. The SK is unknown.
while koshi is almost certainly town, do NOT sheep him blindly. Koshi is a fear based townie who will always go with the "easiest" lynch. He's the sort of player that will lynch the most observably scummy person in the thread, because if he doesn't he might get played or blamed for not doing the "obvious" thing.
Koshi is a good player because very often the "obvious" thing is the right thing. He sticks to the principle of just killing whoever he can convince himself should be mafia to a fault.
Essentially, if you want to work with Koshi, you should do the following:
a) listen to his primary lynch candidate. That player will have done something that is objectively scummy.
b) Question the read. Is the player just a troll/idiot/newbie/mistaken or is it actually mafia stuff.
The point is, it very often is just mafia stuff, which is why you need to listen to koshi. But his weakness is seeing situations like the one we are in today, where his scorched earth strategy is straight up harmful.
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On December 16 2017 09:54 Holyflare wrote:
You are going to flip mafia and that clears me as not being SK. It does clear my alignment.
You already know the unccd vigilante shot has literally no chance of making me mafia.
Why are you bullshitting town?
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it's un CCd because it was an SK you're trying to take advantage of
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here’s my problem palmar. I can’t see where prphlz is coming from when he’s calling you town. no one forced you to do this claiming shit and you placed this situation on yourself, first by ignoring it with your split personality joke and then doing weird claims and devolving this entire day into figuring dumb claims out
so let’s speak. if Forumite is mafia, you’re saying mafia bussed their roleblocker and looked to distance from me by defending me. now why would this make sense? why would they defend me to get their roleblocker lynched?
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not bussed. they got their rolevlocke lynched*
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and distancig from grack**
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On December 16 2017 09:54 Holyflare wrote:
You are going to flip mafia and that clears me as not being SK. It does clear my alignment. Stop using Palmar to gain town credit, you´ve been doing it a lot during D2
On December 16 2017 09:52 Palmar wrote:
Regarding things to look at:
1) Holyflare is the only other player in the game that is theoretically capable of what prplhz has done. The fact he's ignoring it doesn't automatically make him mafia as he can be incredibly stubborn. However it should push him right to the top of any list of potential mafia. Also he's trying to push the narrative that the clear track last night does in any way relate to his alignment. It DOES NOT.
2) Forumite may have misjudged the willingness to lynch Oats. Don't overcommit to a townread on him just because he started the wagon on Oats.
3) listen to prplhz, he's town and he's smarter than all of you.
4) Force VE to keep playing, he's good and can cheerlead for prplhz. Also he's needed to get Chez to work.
5) Conversion, Kmatt, Eversince, Forumite. There are at least 3 townies among you. You HAVE to stand out, you have to do the work, keep questioning shit and don't allow the vets to run the game into the ground. Pick a player, read his filter, reach an independent conclusion. DO WORK. Don't allow the game to become a series of "default" lynches. Question everything. I like this post, looks actually pro Town. It´s much more helpful than Palmars other posts. Something to follow D3 but doesn´t change my vote for D2
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you guys have been hit with a fucking retard stick or something
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I will indefinitely use palmar as town credit because he's mafia and it clears me
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On December 16 2017 10:02 Holyflare wrote:
it's un CCd because it was an SK you're trying to take advantage of
which you also know can be tested by literally just counting the shots tomorrow
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what does that even mean?
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On December 16 2017 10:03 Conversion wrote:
here’s my problem palmar. I can’t see where prphlz is coming from when he’s calling you town. no one forced you to do this claiming shit and you placed this situation on yourself, first by ignoring it with your split personality joke and then doing weird claims and devolving this entire day into figuring dumb claims out
I'm going to sleep it's 1am my time, but I'm gonna help you along:
You can't see where prplhz is coming from because you're applying the minimal amount of logic to the situation.
Your thought process is:
1) Palmar is trolling and confusing people
2) That's not pro-town
3) Ergo he must be scum
The difference is that prplhz has added some actual thinking on top of this.
1) Palmar is trolling and confusing people
2) That's not pro-town
3) It's also stupid as fuck if he's mafia
4) and why would he draw attention to himself like that as SK
5) Ergo Palmar is trolling because he's an idiot and it doesn't tell us anything about his alignment.
My play makes no sense from any faction whatsoever. It literally is just that... me trolling.
The only meat on the bones you need is the fact that I shot mafia and no one is contesting it.
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Your team is dead and you're next up for lynch ----> claim cop to "appear towny"
You are still up for lynch and you know that your team got shot by someone that you assume is a vigilante so you troll with a non-standard cop claim and that you got whispers because you want to have fun in a game where your team got destroyed
you get destroyed by damdred clarifying claims
nobody claimed vig so then you know there is an sk about and thus you can claim vigilante for free and take the credit
easy
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