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Stanislav Petrov
Russian Federation21 Posts
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Stanislav Petrov
Russian Federation21 Posts
 Kelsier & Ruxxar look like they're doing scummy stuff together. Though without confirming if Ruxxar's game history is true, I rather slightly liked Damdreds point on dumb-telling. But ofcourse Damdred would know if Ruxxar was town since Damdred would know all the scum through association. Z-bozon I like what you're doing, let's get along muchacho! | ||
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Stanislav Petrov
Russian Federation21 Posts
Though nothing says they're opposite alignments either. TLDR Kelsier bad, Ruxxar null. | ||
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Stanislav Petrov
Russian Federation21 Posts
What do you think of Damdred? | ||
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Stanislav Petrov
Russian Federation21 Posts
On November 19 2017 08:39 Z-BosoN wrote: If you can tell us your mafia buddies, I will be more than glad to just chill and get along. Ignore the other person that called you retarded, he's just that mean. Cooperating with us is in your best interests. Btw, let's not get too deep into these web of associations this early on. Who would you choose as scum out of KelsierSC/Ruxxar/Damdred? One pick. I'd love to be able to oblige you but since I'm not mafia I can't. Truly saddens me. Right now the order I'd like to lynch in is Damdred->KelsierSC->One of the lurkers | ||
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Stanislav Petrov
Russian Federation21 Posts
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Stanislav Petrov
Russian Federation21 Posts
On November 20 2017 14:46 Tumblewood wrote: @hf: why is the df wagon okay despite no one trying to stop it? your reasons seem to amount to "he looks scummy", which is fine i guess, but if it's just that he's scummy are you even considering how the wagon forms? like, what would it take to change your mind, or do you just not actually care? You're trying to stop it right now. The 'nobody is trying to stop it so therefore the accused is innocent' argument sound good in theory but has rarely proved accurate in my experience. And that's without considering how disastrous it would be to let that become meta. The facts are darthfoley is the most suspicious person, so we should lynch him. | ||
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Stanislav Petrov
Russian Federation21 Posts
Oat's have definitely been getting away with doing the bare minimum, spam, unserious accusations and asking non-important questions in a 2 page filter. On Conversation. If he hadn't voted me I'd say he's done nothing but throw questions into the air and hope somebody else picked them up and pushed them for him which is scum play. But he did vote me but looking at that because it also feels ungenuine to me. He sheeped Kelsier for the case and didn't aggressively accuse me of being scum as much as he voted me as a parking vote to pressure me to come back and explain something fairly non-important. And has no other scumreads. I don't like that it feels like he's both pushing me superhard by singling me out as his only scumread and at the same time isn't pressuring me hard at all but just says come back and explain this and until you do I'll have an alibi for voting you. | ||
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Stanislav Petrov
Russian Federation21 Posts
Why I think darthfoley is mafia. 1)There was the Boson contradiction 2)His only reads are town 3)His not lynching chez post (Yes it's an unserious joke but mafia are more inclined to write a excuse for doing something both because they have a desire to guard themselves from any inqusitive people before they ask and because since they don't have genuine thoughts they write down their reason so they don't forget themselves) The first 2 are the major points and they had been stated by others, It add's nothing for me to say it again or by rephrasing it slightly so it looks like my own thoughts. 4)So far darthfoley has still not tried to make a case on anybody else despite being the lynchcandiate. | ||
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Stanislav Petrov
Russian Federation21 Posts
On November 21 2017 02:53 Hapahauli wrote: Stanislav are you new to this game? Are you a smurf? I'm a smurf who've played around 50 games. I thought your case on me was a trap to see who would follow so I didn't say anything but with you asking this you appear serious. You should take a step back, look at your own contradictions and overall think on it for more then 5 seconds. | ||
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Stanislav Petrov
Russian Federation21 Posts
darthfoley has done scummy things and been active and still not scum hunted to literally save his life. Holyflare won't give as much information. I would swap if his case was stronger then darthfoley's but I don't feel that it is. | ||
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Stanislav Petrov
Russian Federation21 Posts
What you're actually referring to as my 180 is that I on page 5 wanted to lynch damdred because he was the most likely to be mafia with the information available at that time and in my next post on page 13. 8 pages later stating that I thought another person was a better candidate. | ||
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Stanislav Petrov
Russian Federation21 Posts
I'm going to be looking over the game some more later but from now I'm liking darthfoley & Hapahauli. for tomorrow's lynch. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- darthfoley Either he's genuinely clueless and doesn't actually understand what having scumreads means since he insists he has them when he does not. Or he's scum and intentionally lying and misleading. On November 21 2017 02:53 darthfoley wrote: 1) This is not a big deal. I write down my thoughts as I play and I wanted to ask Boson a question. This is also not an original point by you so whatever 2) Just false 3) Lol, not your original point and also not a good point. 4) Also false 1. It is a big deal, or atleast for day 1's. Townies want to pressure the people they believe are scum, not the people you believe to be town. It's an obvious contradiction that hints that darthfoley isn't actually looking for mafia, he's just talking fluff and making it appear as he's contributing. 2. You hadn't pressured at that time anybody without also making an excuse why you might be wrong. Mafiaplay to cover their back. 3. I agree the point isn't as strong as the first 2 but small stuff piles up aswell. And it is true and from this point on darthfoley despite admitting that it was weak but not false continues through the game lying or misleading claiming 3/4 reasons were false when he makes future references. 4. Might be considered false if he misunderstood what I ment, but more likely he choose to misunderstand what I ment for his own agenda. Pushing a scum lynch is not the same as posting a one liner on a person with little/no reasoning behind it, and that is the best scumhunting darthfoley offers the town. As a townie looking to be lynched your first priority should be finding a better target and getting that person nailed. If you absolutely can't do that you can try to defend yourself, but defense is worthless to determine town/scum since both have an interest to do so and the same material so unless someone has actually lied in their arguments against you and you can call that out it's not helpful. The first person he truly does pressure and votes on is me but it's shady. On November 21 2017 00:28 darthfoley wrote: Meh. Idk who is more scummy. Let's vote Petrov and see what the wind blows ##Vote: Stanislav Petrov It's a very meh vote and from this point on he slow grows more and more outspokenly confident that I'm mafia despite no new information being added on so where does his increased confidence come from? He continues to reference past statements that are false and wrong and reinforcing them as true. When he talks to oats about me on bottom of page 32. On November 21 2017 06:06 darthfoley wrote: Then he co-opted the wagon and pretended like it was his original ideas This is actually the furthest thing from what I did and it's unbelievable that he would genuinely believe that after the big center point in the accusation against me was that I sheeped without adding anything new. Additionally I specifically said in a post he quoted (first quote above) On November 21 2017 02:43 Stanislav Petrov wrote: The first 2 are the major points and they had been stated by others, It add's nothing for me to say it again or by rephrasing it slightly so it looks like my own thoughts. In the end he changes votes to tumbleweed who looks like a potential easy lynch switch. Then follows on holyflare on a very sketchy case which again makes me feel that his outspoken confidence that I am mafia is not genuine. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hapahauli. I liked his initial call-out on darthfoley. But his next thing with the test is mindbogglingly weird from a town perspective and feels a lot like a feign bus. He makes a case against me which is full of contradictions and incorrect conclusions (I'll explain how if you don't understand). I didn't call it out immediately because I thought he was baiting to see who would jump aboard something that on a glance looked like an okey case but if you took 2 minutes you'd see it was bullshit. After learning I wasn't a beginner he dropped the case like a stone and parked himself on the holyflare wagon again based on a fairly weak case and wasn't heard from again. | ||
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Stanislav Petrov
Russian Federation21 Posts
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Stanislav Petrov
Russian Federation21 Posts
Day 1 Damdred: (0) KelsierSC: (0) Darthfoley: (5) Stanislav Petrov: (2) Tumblewood: (1) KelsierSC, Koshi: (0) Holyflare: (7) Z-BosoN, hapahauli, Palmar, Damdred, Conversion, darthfoley, Tumblewood Not Voting: Holyflare Holyflare is lynched. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day 2 KelsierSC: (1) Oatsmaster, Tumblewood: (3) kelsierSC, Hapahauli, Darthfoley Hapahauli: (9) VisceraEyes, chezinu, stanislav petrov, Koshi, Palmar, Damdred, Conversion, ruXxar, Tumblewood stanislav petrov: (0) Palmar: (0) Hapahauli is lynched. | ||
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Stanislav Petrov
Russian Federation21 Posts
Day 1 Damdred: (0) KelsierSC: (0) Darthfoley: (5) Stanislav Petrov: (2) Tumblewood: (1) KelsierSC, Koshi: (0) Holyflare: (7) Z-BosoN, hapahauli, Palmar, Damdred, Conversion, darthfoley, Tumblewood Not Voting: Holyflare Holyflare is lynched. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day 2 KelsierSC: (1) Oatsmaster, Tumblewood: (3) kelsierSC, Hapahauli, Darthfoley Hapahauli: (9) VisceraEyes, chezinu, stanislav petrov, Koshi, Palmar, Damdred, Conversion, ruXxar, Tumblewood stanislav petrov: (0) Palmar: (0) Hapahauli is lynched. | ||
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Stanislav Petrov
Russian Federation21 Posts
darthfoley is almost guaranteed scum. He's active a but doesn't accomplish. The conclusions he's drawn throughout this game I don't feel are likely to drawn by a townie. Sure he could be tunneling convinced he's right and utterly incapable of taking a step back and properly analyzing the information he has. But it's far more likely he's mafia purposely tunneling pretending to be bad. Normal mafia tactic is to spread out during all-townie lynch targets and so far the people voting for him are SIGNIFICANTLY less scummy then the Stan/HF voters and most of them decent players. Nobody but scum advocates lynching a bread-crumbed townie as a top scumread. One of his partners is Palmar. Palmar was odd about the entire hapa lynch. The case on Hapa was solid and Palmar was behind that but still cracked comments like viscera get's HIS lynch which felt off. His other contribution to the game was sweeping in day 1, taking control of the lynch. I haven't played with Palmar for a few years but back then his style was finding townie behavior and then mafia by process of elimination. His day 1 reads aren't according to himself better then others and he's said so himself. So he knows his day 1 reads aren't great and yet decided that it's a good idea to swoop down without reading the thread at all and decide a new lynch candidate when half the vets in the game are behind lynching another person. And to that he just pays no mind? If I were town and I came into the thread just before the lynch and hadn't had opportunity to read the thread I would sheep the case most veterans were on. He doesn't do this and is essentially saying I know better then you without even reading. It doesn't fit with his style. As town he would have no reason to act so confident. Not to mention that he knows full well how bad last minute switches are in general and shouldn't be leading one without good reason which he did not have. It's far more likely he tried to save darthfoley, and even in some other bizarre universe where darthfoley is town so all lynchcandidates were town, then it's still a complete scummove because it makes the lynch generate less information and the town never gets to deal with the scummy looking townie, leaving him to continue diverting attention from real mafia. | ||
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