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xenonn40
Profile Joined October 2011
United States282 Posts
October 19 2017 21:43 GMT
#1182
On October 20 2017 00:51 ruXxar wrote:
Xenon. I need some answers from you.

You voted for Oats two days in a row, yet I have a hard time deciphering why did so.

Here's your reasoning for voting oats day 1:

Show nested quote +
On October 14 2017 12:32 xenonn40 wrote:
On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote:
Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation?


Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex.


This was early day 1. You had plenty of time to change your vote before the lynch but you didn't.

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On October 15 2017 03:01 xenonn40 wrote:
I did not think Ruxxar was Mafia, a kind of arbitrary opinion at this point, to be honest, but I did think the fact that there were three votes for him immediately seemed suspicious. I felt like only people who have real information (mafia) would have a reason to gang up on someone at this point. If this is right, and we lynched one of Oatsmaster, MrLonelyClock , or happykrogan, we could have a good idea that one of the other two, if not both were mafia, which would give us very helpful information. Since Oatsmaster was the only other person voted for at the time, he was "the only other option" to me.


This was your explanation pre-lynch for why you were voting oatsmaster day 1, but no consideration for ever changing your vote.
I also find it really strange that you're talking in past tense(!!) when the lynch hasn't even been through yet as if there's nothing you can do to change your vote.

You follow up with this:

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On October 15 2017 03:34 xenonn40 wrote:
On October 15 2017 03:32 Onegu wrote:
On October 15 2017 03:30 xenonn40 wrote:
On October 15 2017 03:29 Onegu wrote:
On October 15 2017 03:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 15 2017 03:16 Onegu wrote:
Just so you guys know I am reading this entire game writeing my thoughts as I am reading for one big post. Then will give you my overall thoughts.

I just really hate these kinds of posts.
The annoucement of a future annoucement



Up to you but thats how I play.


As a new player, I don't understand the point of all the talking before votes start, and before actions happen.



What do you mean? I should just post my post and vote before talking?


I mean, we have 27 pages already, and almost no actions to base our discussion on. I like the idea of a post on your thoughts at the end, and not 10000 posts of fluff in between.


Okay, but why are you still voting for oatsmaster?

The day ends and you don't mention a word to anyone about your thoughts, why you made a bad call on oats or why you kept voting for oats.

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On October 15 2017 06:18 xenonn40 wrote:
On October 15 2017 05:55 Damerion wrote:
Here I am, I lost track of time and these day phases are very short.

I see conversion and myself are up for lynch. I do not know if I believe that conversion is scum at this point in time.

In fact with how apathetic the thread is I am decently certain it is going to be town v town.


Damerion's vote at the end seems very suspicious to me. He votes for Oats over a vote for Conversion to make himself safe from the lynch. He is last minute scrambling to target someone else. Seems like a desperate attempt to save a fellow mafia.

I am not sure if Godfather shows up as town when lynched, if so, perhaps Damerion is Godfather.


That's it. No mention of your vote.

Day 2 this is what we get:

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On October 16 2017 18:52 xenonn40 wrote:
I was leaning towards voting Damerion, because if he is not Mafia, I think it is pretty likely that the other mafia are among Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Oatsmaster.

Honestly, I could be swayed to vote for any of these 4 at at this point.

And it does make sense, as some people have pointed out, that the situations where it makes sense for Damerion to be Mafia are very improbable.
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On October 17 2017 03:57 xenonn40 wrote:

Okay, so you think damerion is mafia then?

I am parking my vote on Oats. I want to even up the vote a bit (see my last post) and see how this plays out.


Why????????




This guy is:

1) Not re-evaluating any reads.
2) Not giving good reasons for any of his reads.
3) Not engaging in any conversations or taking a stance on anythhing.
4) Not calling anyone scum at all. He just votes oats because ???

He definitely seems smart enough to undestand what's going on, and maybe the first day he didn't understand too much, but by now there's no excuse anymore.




Here's what I want to know

1) Why did you not re-evaluate your vote day 1? You had plenty of time to understand how the game functioned before the lynch. There was a lot of discussion going on pre-lynch, and you were there, posting, but just simply ignoring it.

2) Why did you vote for oats day 2? I don't understand your explanation, it makes no sense from my point of view.
When you vote someone two days in a row, it indicates to me that you think they're mafia.
But not once have you given any explanation for why oats is scum or worthy of a lynch.


a) Life has had some unexpected turns the last few days. I have had less time than expected.

b) Day one, I was quite unsure how to play, and honestly I didn't have a clue who to vote for. I wasted my vote, because I did not see anything better to vote for.

c) After the day one votes, I was quite certain either Damerion was mafia or two of Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Oatsmaster where mafia. I had been convinced it was unlikely Damerion was mafia. (the Scenerios where this made sense were very unlikely.)

d) This brings us to Holyflare, Fecalfeast, and Oatsmaster. When I cast my vote, Fecal had 3-4 votes, Holy none, and Oats 1. I wanted to even up the vote, so that there was some competition to force decisions to be made. As it was, Fecal won by a lot, so this did not happen. It did not matter if I changed my vote at the end, and I was somewhat happy as the majority was on one of the three.

e) I am still highly suspicious of Holy and Oats, and the fact that they both voted for the same person (Damerion) day 3 makes me inclined to believe they want to push an agenda as we get down to the last few people.

I am likely to vote Oats again.
xenonn40
Profile Joined October 2011
United States282 Posts
October 19 2017 22:36 GMT
#1184
On October 20 2017 06:54 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2017 06:43 xenonn40 wrote:
On October 20 2017 00:51 ruXxar wrote:
Xenon. I need some answers from you.

You voted for Oats two days in a row, yet I have a hard time deciphering why did so.

Here's your reasoning for voting oats day 1:

On October 14 2017 12:32 xenonn40 wrote:
On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote:
Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation?


Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex.


This was early day 1. You had plenty of time to change your vote before the lynch but you didn't.

On October 15 2017 03:01 xenonn40 wrote:
I did not think Ruxxar was Mafia, a kind of arbitrary opinion at this point, to be honest, but I did think the fact that there were three votes for him immediately seemed suspicious. I felt like only people who have real information (mafia) would have a reason to gang up on someone at this point. If this is right, and we lynched one of Oatsmaster, MrLonelyClock , or happykrogan, we could have a good idea that one of the other two, if not both were mafia, which would give us very helpful information. Since Oatsmaster was the only other person voted for at the time, he was "the only other option" to me.


This was your explanation pre-lynch for why you were voting oatsmaster day 1, but no consideration for ever changing your vote.
I also find it really strange that you're talking in past tense(!!) when the lynch hasn't even been through yet as if there's nothing you can do to change your vote.

You follow up with this:

On October 15 2017 03:34 xenonn40 wrote:
On October 15 2017 03:32 Onegu wrote:
On October 15 2017 03:30 xenonn40 wrote:
On October 15 2017 03:29 Onegu wrote:
On October 15 2017 03:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 15 2017 03:16 Onegu wrote:
Just so you guys know I am reading this entire game writeing my thoughts as I am reading for one big post. Then will give you my overall thoughts.

I just really hate these kinds of posts.
The annoucement of a future annoucement



Up to you but thats how I play.


As a new player, I don't understand the point of all the talking before votes start, and before actions happen.



What do you mean? I should just post my post and vote before talking?


I mean, we have 27 pages already, and almost no actions to base our discussion on. I like the idea of a post on your thoughts at the end, and not 10000 posts of fluff in between.


Okay, but why are you still voting for oatsmaster?

The day ends and you don't mention a word to anyone about your thoughts, why you made a bad call on oats or why you kept voting for oats.

On October 15 2017 06:18 xenonn40 wrote:
On October 15 2017 05:55 Damerion wrote:
Here I am, I lost track of time and these day phases are very short.

I see conversion and myself are up for lynch. I do not know if I believe that conversion is scum at this point in time.

In fact with how apathetic the thread is I am decently certain it is going to be town v town.


Damerion's vote at the end seems very suspicious to me. He votes for Oats over a vote for Conversion to make himself safe from the lynch. He is last minute scrambling to target someone else. Seems like a desperate attempt to save a fellow mafia.

I am not sure if Godfather shows up as town when lynched, if so, perhaps Damerion is Godfather.


That's it. No mention of your vote.

Day 2 this is what we get:

On October 16 2017 18:52 xenonn40 wrote:
I was leaning towards voting Damerion, because if he is not Mafia, I think it is pretty likely that the other mafia are among Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Oatsmaster.

Honestly, I could be swayed to vote for any of these 4 at at this point.

And it does make sense, as some people have pointed out, that the situations where it makes sense for Damerion to be Mafia are very improbable.
On October 17 2017 03:57 xenonn40 wrote:

Okay, so you think damerion is mafia then?

I am parking my vote on Oats. I want to even up the vote a bit (see my last post) and see how this plays out.


Why????????




This guy is:

1) Not re-evaluating any reads.
2) Not giving good reasons for any of his reads.
3) Not engaging in any conversations or taking a stance on anythhing.
4) Not calling anyone scum at all. He just votes oats because ???

He definitely seems smart enough to undestand what's going on, and maybe the first day he didn't understand too much, but by now there's no excuse anymore.




Here's what I want to know

1) Why did you not re-evaluate your vote day 1? You had plenty of time to understand how the game functioned before the lynch. There was a lot of discussion going on pre-lynch, and you were there, posting, but just simply ignoring it.

2) Why did you vote for oats day 2? I don't understand your explanation, it makes no sense from my point of view.
When you vote someone two days in a row, it indicates to me that you think they're mafia.
But not once have you given any explanation for why oats is scum or worthy of a lynch.


a) Life has had some unexpected turns the last few days. I have had less time than expected.

b) Day one, I was quite unsure how to play, and honestly I didn't have a clue who to vote for. I wasted my vote, because I did not see anything better to vote for.

c) After the day one votes, I was quite certain either Damerion was mafia or two of Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Oatsmaster where mafia. I had been convinced it was unlikely Damerion was mafia. (the Scenerios where this made sense were very unlikely.)

d) This brings us to Holyflare, Fecalfeast, and Oatsmaster. When I cast my vote, Fecal had 3-4 votes, Holy none, and Oats 1. I wanted to even up the vote, so that there was some competition to force decisions to be made. As it was, Fecal won by a lot, so this did not happen. It did not matter if I changed my vote at the end, and I was somewhat happy as the majority was on one of the three.

e) I am still highly suspicious of Holy and Oats, and the fact that they both voted for the same person (Damerion) day 3 makes me inclined to believe they want to push an agenda as we get down to the last few people.

I am likely to vote Oats again.


This is what I don't understand:

You say: "I wanted to even up the vote, so that there was some competition to force decisions to be made"
Then you say: "I am likely to vote Oats again"

So if you're just voting oats to even up the votes, how do you know already now that you're likely to vote oats again?
Oats doesn't have any votes on him. Are you expecting him to get votes?

Why do you want to vote for oats right now anyway?
What have you read that people have said or that he has said that makes you want to vote him.

Forget about the votes for a moment and just think of what people have been saying.
Can you put together an argument based on what people/oats have been posting to make him the #1 lynch in your mind?



No, I can't. Honestly, I would vote for whoever gets more votes of Oats and Holy. I may even lean towards voting Holy based off of what he said after the first day. Of course, he was not the only one on the SvS bandwagon. I was too at the time. It still could be that Damerion is Scum.

On October 15 2017 06:25 Holyflare wrote:
You realise this is 100% mafia vs mafia right?


One thing I would say against oats was
On October 17 2017 04:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2017 18:52 xenonn40 wrote:
I was leaning towards voting Damerion, because if he is not Mafia, I think it is pretty likely that the other mafia are among Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Oatsmaster.

Honestly, I could be swayed to vote for any of these 4 at at this point.

And it does make sense, as some people have pointed out, that the situations where it makes sense for Damerion to be Mafia are very improbable.

Do you think that all the people who didn't vote for conversion are mafia?


completely missed what I was saying and seems to me to be a deflection away from saying that I think the people who voted FOR Damerion were Mafia specifically because they could not save conversion.
xenonn40
Profile Joined October 2011
United States282 Posts
October 26 2017 23:48 GMT
#1516
GG

At least I voted more times for Oats than anyone else.
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