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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 29 2017 18:15 GMT
#1821
That's why there are good players and you're not one.
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
August 29 2017 18:18 GMT
#1822
You're entitled to have your opinion at least we have that.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 29 2017 18:22 GMT
#1823
On August 30 2017 03:18 Skynx wrote:
You're entitled to have your opinion at least we have that.

Yeah you too, although wanting to lynch an uncc'd power role and at the same time thinking Artanis can be mafia and not screaming for a counter-claim is one of the most retarded things i have ever heard in a mafia game. It goes close to people not lynching a dude who legit scumslips on a video and people dont believe it even when his scumbuddy points it out...
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
August 29 2017 18:25 GMT
#1824
Whatever, why don't you tell us who to lynch tomorrow?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
August 29 2017 18:41 GMT
#1825
On August 30 2017 03:14 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2017 03:12 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 30 2017 03:10 Skynx wrote:
I 100% expect a JK claim before EoN.

Why you so certain rayn isn't the jailkeeper?

Cuz his claim is such a genius play as mafia, it gives him engame towncred had they not killed the real parity cop.

As town, he's just jeopardizing the town. He just spends entire posts trying to justify his play "so I'm alive, HF is alive yada yada" but i don't see it.

Rolf this sounds like a Vivax thing to say I pretty sure that rayn wouldn't do that pla nas mafia because
!. He wouldn't even kill Vivax there.
2. Rayn would get cc'd which means a 1 for 1 trade which favors town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 29 2017 18:44 GMT
#1826
On August 30 2017 03:25 Skynx wrote:
Whatever, why don't you tell us who to lynch tomorrow?

I think i have been quite clear who i think is mafia.

Onegu.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 29 2017 18:48 GMT
#1827
Not going to finish reading before deadline.

##Vote: Artanis
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 29 2017 18:53 GMT
#1828
Can we agree that we at just sheep ng me if I live rayn? (I'm got in onegu unless someone cc you)
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 29 2017 19:01 GMT
#1829
Im not scum. Thought I was going to get more done yesterday but family took me out for birthday and didnt get much done reading wise. Then these EU friendly deadlines are killing me....
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
August 29 2017 19:16 GMT
#1830
Vote Count

  • raynpelikoneet (0) - Skynx, ruXxar
  • Artanis[Xp] (9) - Holyflare, Artanis[Xp], Tumblewood, Artanis[Xp], Oatsmaster, LightningStrike, Skynx damdred onegu
  • LightningStrike (0) - LightningStrike
  • Tumblewood (0) - Onegu
  • ruXxar (1) - ruXxar

Non-voters (0):


Currently, Artanis[Xp] is set to be lynched.

Deadline is in (at Tuesday, Aug 29 7:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00)).



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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
August 29 2017 19:23 GMT
#1831
On August 29 2017 04:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Town
LightningStrike - Basically, he's too clueless this game. He basically goes entirely with where thread sentiment is and the way he questions people when other people call them scum show he doesn't have any additional information. There's also this sequence of posts:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2017 08:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Fuck you HF I will make this easier for you
##Vote: LightningStrike
I can't be bothered to defend myself when I rather spend my birthday doing other stuff.

Show nested quote +
On August 28 2017 10:09 LightningStrike wrote:
We lynching me instead of lex k thanx bye.

Show nested quote +
On August 28 2017 13:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Damn tried to put a trap for mafia a easy way out of lynching lex if lex is mafia and no one was biting
##Unvote

That never ever ever ever come from mafia LS.

Holyflare - Holyflare is actually my second townread this game. The way he responded to my list, then finding something in Rayn's questioning of me that made him do a 'gotcha!' is one of the rare things I don't see scum!HF doing that quickly. He also has a very clear picture of the game, and has all the details about who he thinks are scum and why in his head. When something new pops up, he doesn't instantly try to call someone scum for it but actually looks into it, like he did regarding the page numbers with me.


Damdred - You need to give me some tips on how to be awesome on a limited timeframe dude He just feels really free this game. I can see his train of thought in most things like here:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 22:22 Damdred wrote:
@Geript, while I appreciate your need to explain your koshi scum read elaborately. Please do not avoid my questions, What is your read on hf?

@LS was there a post of arts you specifically did not like?

He's very specifically chasing things. Geript made a big post but Damdred correctly analyzes that it didn't answer his questions, whilst also keeping a birds' eye view and questioning LS in a way that will likely help him read LS. No problems standing up to Rayn despite townreading him and gives people their day in the sun.

Raynpelikoneet - Two reasons, really. One is that I don't see why scum would blueclaim there. Rayn wasn't particularly feeling a lot of heat, and I don't recall any situation in which Rayn has fakeclaimed blue as scum, let alone in a scenario like this though I may be wrong. The second was the way he hounded Skynx and everyone who disagreed with him on it that made it clear that it's something he believed in. The way he then approached me later was much in the same way.

Furthermore, I believe if either Rayn or HF is mafia this game the game is already lost. Whichever one would be would be able to get enough town players on their side to lynch in case of need. The lines are split in the sand in a way that it's not helpful in any way to idly speculate on either of them being scum without a strong backing why (note: that Rayn fakeclaimed parity cop is not one.)

Town Lean
Tumblewood - I've mentioned this before, but Tumblewood has been really good about speaking his mind and the post in which he shared notes is not something he has done before in any game that I checked of his. He tends to struggle with activity as scum as well as that he tends to make more sense as scum. Tumble this game has been relatively active, pushing reads that don't necessarily correspond with thread sentiment, and has just been open about where his head's at.

Null
Skynx - Skynx has done a lot of things that I thought were mafia-like. The mess we've talked about for over 30 pages already describes a lot of it. There's also the association with Geript, where Geript entered the thread without talking about him. I found it odd that he held such a close tab on the vote count without posting too much, but he did actually show face in wanting to lynch me a bit. One thing also in his favour is that I struggle to see him being scum with ruXxar, whom I think is most likely to be scum as the way they both pushed Rayn out of the gate after what happened during N1 is unlikely to both be from scum.

Mafia Lean
Geript/Onegu - It all starts with his entry, which focuses a lot on Koshi without addressing a lot of the topics that were in the thread back then. He also gets rather defensive regarding his top scumread scumreading him. Half his post is about this:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 08:06 geript wrote:
On August 25 2017 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 25 2017 06:44 Tumblewood wrote:
because that is the same meta geript uses on me all the time

I am not sure if i believe this so this is a reminder to myself to check something on this tomorrow.

It's not exactly true...

From Generic:
On July 14 2017 03:12 geript wrote:
I remember TW when he was a newbie. I remember his not being boring/dull/. Like he had some good observations (wrong but good) then. His scum game IIRC was much lower activity and struggled to post almost anything. He's likely a good lynch too.


The thing is that during the last abortion of a game, when I was reading TW (in MS Paint Judge mafia) I was comparing him to older games to get can idea of any other meta reads I could use to push him. It's something that I noticed from his town play and something that HF picked up and agreed with in the game.

On August 25 2017 06:21 Koshi wrote:
On August 25 2017 06:14 geript wrote:
I kinda like TW for town. Mostly because of this post:
On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread.

nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else

In part for flippant in part because Town!TW says what he thinks.

Everyone passing around the LS townread when they should know better is a bit weird.


1/20

If you want to make 20 posts. It is better that you explain everything you claim.
The bolded is completely unexplained and gives us nothing. LS is easy to read. I don't see why it is weird and I townread Damdred and Vivax for seeing it and calling it early. It generates discussion and easy townreads make mafia nervous. Mafia doesn't like easy townreads you see. Then they make comments like you just did.

A few things here:
1. Only bad mafia hate early townreads. Like it's often quite easy to call someone town, move them into a situation where they look bad, rescind the townread and push them for lynch. I am not bad mafia.
2. LS in at least 1 game (though as far as I remembered multiple games) as scum has mimicked his "town puppy" persona to get townread and survived until endgame on it. Passing around a bad read is on the other hand makes it easy for scum to blend in. Hell, last game I basically literally just took what town was already thinking, repackaged it into nicer, newer, and better thinking and sold it as my own.

On August 25 2017 06:55 Koshi wrote:
I dislike he scumreads me. Especially because he scumreads me because I don't meta townread rayn for a reason I would not meta read rayn town for.

On August 25 2017 07:21 Koshi wrote:
For the record. I recognize the points made against Skynx. I do not know if it makes him mafia.
I think there is a chance still that he is town that made a very bad post.


geript on the other hand came in with a typical lazy mafia post. As town something in the thread would have triggered him, something about Koshi, rayn, HF or Vivax. Even Damdred maybe. But because he is mafia and lazy nothing really did, so he made an easy TW comment because he is "helping". When rayn confronted him he had to make something up and called rayn town and in the same breath called Koshi mafia because he isn't calling rayn town.

I do not believe town!geript makes that koshi read only after surrendering a town!rayn read. I think town!geript would have made that Koshi read while catching up and would have posted that instead of the TW town read.

I do believe mafia geript played lazy and showed face.


This is my read. Accept it.

Who's getting mad about early townreads now Koshi? Koshi is scumreading me for scumreading him for not townreading rayn. Silliness aside. Hold with me, it's a bit circuitous but it's here. I've made it quite obvious on numerous occasions that I fucking hate playing scum when HF is town; as such, when I'm scum I basically become his thread bitch because I don't know how else to buy time in order to gain control of the thread until I get to NK HF. But the same is not true of Rayn. I know how to fuck with Rayn's head as mafia; I know what he looks at and looks for and can throw out a hook to get him super distracted. 1. As mafia, I gain nothing by giving Rayn an early townread and actually surrender thread control; which btw, I don't do as mafia (except for HF or maybe Marv but Marv because he's a fucking sexy beast). So his argument is not only bad, it's also incorrect. Vivax I haven't really played with in a while and I haven't had a correct read on him for a long time. Damdred I read town for how he reads people with "Damdred" reads and how he shows specific lines of thinking as town that he doesn't as scum. HF I read based on what he's pushing and why he's pushing; it's kinda a feels read but mostly based on him pushing "good things." Rayn I read based on what he's pushing and how he pushes; he likes to lynch bad as town and picks up on completely different things as mafia (example the Judge game where almost every time he came in the thread he pushed stupid shit that was bad). 2. When I make a read on Rayn for doing town!Rayn things, it's me being scum. When I don't comment on things about Vivax, HF, or Damdred because I'm either lacking any way to accurately read them (Vivax), I haven't seen them do things to read them town yet (Damdred), or I'm getting mixed vibes from (HF), then I'm scum. When I post about Koshi, I'm both scum for something not triggering me to post something about him AND scum for posting what I posted. Like, that's a pretty fucking weird argument for Koshi to be making at the same time; he's usually a bit more lazy as scum, and arguing both sides of the coin in the same post is pretty fucking weird for Town!Koshi to do. 3. Come at me bro
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3/20

The main part of his post is defending against Koshi and trying to prove him wrong rather than showing in any way how Koshi is mafia. He also ends up getting stuck commenting just about his Tumblewood read rather than talking about Koshi, which doesn't make much sense given Tumblewood was not a realistic lynch that day.
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 04:14 geript wrote:
On August 26 2017 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 04:07 geript wrote:
On August 26 2017 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:57 geript wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:48 geript wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[quote]
Wait Tumblewood you mean this post?

What does it matter what geript says if he is mafia (which you shouldn't know at this point if you're town). I mean if he is mafia he can easily have TMI and just say something he knows is "right" since he knows your alignment. Which of the following does the post you made associate with more?

1) says what he thinks
2) lower activity and struggled to post almost anything

We are talking about mafia terms here. I mean like saying "fuck you" literally counts as not saying anything for example.

geript you need to answer this one too since your tumblewood read, based on this makes no fucking sense.

I thought I did. It's something I noticed while filtering TWs games last game and used it to push him.

Actually no you didn't. Answer this again please, since there is no way this is a "good observation", those are the only two options.

So last game when I was scum, I filtered a bit of TW's other games to look for things that look different but really aren't. I noticed as Town he just kinda post what he thinks. It's a bit feelsy. But when the guy is already kinda being pushed, if you say a thing it kinda becomes thread sentiment and especially so when what you say already has the ring of truth/accuracy to it.

Yes i understand this. What i don't understand is why you think the specific post Tumblewood made makes you think he is town, because based on how you view him -- remember the " His scum game IIRC was much lower activity and struggled to post almost anything" -- you shouldn't be able to make a judgement call on him.

Because I found a better way to meta him. Like, you're quoting me from a game where I'm trying to remember old meta and I'm not even sure if I'm remembering the right person. Like before generic, my last game was what, a year before maybe more? Like there's no reason to use something old that ime not even sure is correct when I have something up to date and has no risk of conflating players.

Okay, can you explain this meta read then, since i can't find it. You're just saying "he says what he thinks" which is the same sentence than your previous meta was so how should i be differentiate this new metaing from you from the old one?


Remember Generic 3? Remember Ruxxar who had a complete inability to not vomit each and every single little thought he had in the thread? It's kinda like that but way more subdued. It's like he has a thought, gives no shit about how it makes him look and just posts it.

On sec let me get on comp to find an example.

He also mentions RuXxar here whom actually already came into the thread agreeing with his reads, yet never conversed with him or even mentioned anything about him. Clearly familiar with RuXxar, whom was present in the thread and people were talking about. No read.

Main reason it's just a lean was because he was feeling shitty. Maybe he just had an off game because of that. I couldn't blame him if he did, but his filter looks pretty bad.

Oatsmaster - Oats this game has been the very definition of low-effort scumplay. He calls people mafia for very faint reasons, then proceeds to do nothing with it. He inquired to Rayn about whom he talked about only to do nothing with it. He's going through all the motions of 'scumhunting' without ever actually doing any scumhunting. When Koshi was getting lynched, he didn't really seem to care that people were switching over to me, only that he thought Koshi was the best lynch. He didn't say "Don't lynch Artanis! Koshi is the better lynch!" he just sat around and did nothing but make passing comments from the sidelines, which makes a lot of sense for a scum when there are no scum up for lynch.

He comments about LS (0 votes, 30 minutes before deadline):
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2017 04:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
LS has approached this whole voting period very weirdly.
He mentions wanting to lynch artanis over 30 minutes ago but doesnt actually do it till damdred and rayn get on him.
He waffles around artanis after he says this
On August 27 2017 03:14 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 27 2017 02:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
HAHAHAHA

LS where did you go man.

I want to see you convince people about geript.

I honestly starting to get second thoughts while I was playing LoL. Gut tells me we should lynch Lex. Anyone here open for a Lex lynch?

like he is being convinced by rayn.

It all seems really fake and he only did it after approval by other people.


Which is rather ironic given he berated Rayn for going after ruXxar without doing much about it:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2017 03:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 27 2017 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 27 2017 03:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 27 2017 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 27 2017 03:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 27 2017 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##unvote
##vote Ruxxar

right now this is a totally wasted vote. Bad rayn.

If Koshi flips town you're mafia. Because you jsut said every single vote other than Koshi is a wasted vote. So better hope he will flip mafia.

There is no one that really wants to lynch Rux, he has one vote and you arent doing SHIT to convince anyone to move to rux.
So its wasted.

But i only care about finding mafia, not really convincing people lately.

Looks like you did a heel of a job trying to convince people to lynch Tumblewood your super top scumread. I don't even fucking know why you think he is mafia...

He hasnt posted anything useful the entire game.

Also like ruxxar, no one thinks he really needs to die day 1 so Im not gonna push him NOW.

You see, the problem is that its 36 minutes to the lynch, so finding mafia doesnt really help when you cant actually get enough people to lynch them.


Another point he also used later to attack Rayn for no avail. Oats has no sense of priority which is not a town Oats.

Mafia
ruXxar - Ruxxy unfortunately is mafia, mainly due to TMI. Firstly, due to the way he responded to the Skynx thing. No one thought Skynx was solid town but him for his initial post. I thought it looked okay, but not more than a slight townlean. Everyone else thought it looked scummy or worse. He also never gives a read on Geript. And then, he has a solid townread on me when everyone and their mom is scumreading me. What the weirdest part to me is in this regard is that he questions me for my Damdred read after everything that was being discussed, then when day breaks doesn't even go into it and asks what the case on me is. He was there. The only reason I can think of is that he knows I'm town.

It also makes sense with Skynx, as he'd know Skynx was town given that there's not a world in which ruXxar and Skynx are both mafia. They don't both respond this way when the cop dies. There's also a bit of meta in this in that I know ruXxar has no fear as either alignment and will do crazy shit. I'm not convinced/sure that this is true for Skynx.



Again, sorry for playing pretty awful dudes. Don't WIFOM yourself and not lynch me, it needs to happen at some ponit this game. I'll quote this post at EoD on my phone if I'm done with capoeira tomorrow so that people can remember my reads after my flip. Just gonna relax the rest of the evening and spend it with Tina but may check in to answer some questions if there are any.

Gl town! Please note the other last post too.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
August 29 2017 19:24 GMT
#1832
On August 30 2017 01:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Quick last post before capoeira - I'm actually not really sure between ruxx and skynx so prob best to lynch oats or geript first. Its weird, but I don't expect ruxx to be this gung ho about defending me after being accused of tmi. I'd also check if TW said anything interesting postgame in his last game regarding taking notes to see if there's any reason to presume he'd do it as mafia and stated it postgame.

Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 29 2017 19:26 GMT
#1833
Ruxx isn't actually defending you though, he just thinks that rayn is scum
No gg, No skill.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
August 29 2017 19:27 GMT
#1834
On August 29 2017 17:35 ruXxar wrote:
Pssst. Hey guys.

Does this look like a scum train?

It's so obvious we're lynching town right now.

Each and everyone of you stoners need to get your head checked.

1) Everyone voting the same guy | check.
2) Dead thread | check
3) No counter wagon | check.

Do you guys not understand what's going on here?

Fucking lazy sheep the whole bunch of you.
It's pissing me off so fucking much that you all have your heads stuck up your ass.

Fuck it I don't even want to play this game anymore.

I'll just be voting myself for the rest of the game. I don't give a shit anymore.

Yeah he is Oats.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
August 29 2017 19:28 GMT
#1835
Lynch geript/onegu and oats then figure it out between skynx/ruxxar/maaaybe tw but doubtful.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
August 29 2017 19:29 GMT
#1836
Lex if you are town I am sorry about this lynch but if you are scum well GG.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
August 29 2017 19:30 GMT
#1837
Didnt wanna go out with a self vote. Gl guys
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
August 29 2017 19:31 GMT
#1838
Night 2


Artanis [Xp] the VT is died

until day 3.

Please submit night actions to both hosts!




Vote Count

  • raynpelikoneet (0) - Skynx, ruXxar
  • Artanis[Xp] (8) - Holyflare, Tumblewood, Artanis[Xp], Oatsmaster, LightningStrike, Skynx damdred onegu
  • LightningStrike (0) - LightningStrike
  • Tumblewood (0) - Onegu
  • ruXxar (1) - ruXxar
  • Onegu (1) artanis [xp]

Non-voters (0):


Artanis[Xp] is lynched.





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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 29 2017 19:31 GMT
#1839
On August 30 2017 04:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2017 17:35 ruXxar wrote:
Pssst. Hey guys.

Does this look like a scum train?

It's so obvious we're lynching town right now.

Each and everyone of you stoners need to get your head checked.

1) Everyone voting the same guy | check.
2) Dead thread | check
3) No counter wagon | check.

Do you guys not understand what's going on here?

Fucking lazy sheep the whole bunch of you.
It's pissing me off so fucking much that you all have your heads stuck up your ass.

Fuck it I don't even want to play this game anymore.

I'll just be voting myself for the rest of the game. I don't give a shit anymore.

Yeah he is Oats.

Lol it's a vehicle to get rayn lynched.
This is not a defence. What the heck artanis.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 29 2017 19:31 GMT
#1840
Jk pls claim
No gg, No skill.
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