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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
August 26 2017 10:19 GMT
#941
On August 26 2017 19:18 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 19:15 Skynx wrote:
On August 26 2017 19:09 Holyflare wrote:
Skynx let's just clear something up. Did you still scum read koshi after you found out he did his opener as town?

No, my meta was wrong and it didn't make koshi scum.

That means null on Koshi. Implication was that if he ever turned out scum, those three would get some towncred in my eyes.


Boom. Artanis is mafia.

How is that relevant to my alignment? All that matters is whether I believed what I said.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 26 2017 10:24 GMT
#942
On August 26 2017 19:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 19:18 Holyflare wrote:
On August 26 2017 19:15 Skynx wrote:
On August 26 2017 19:09 Holyflare wrote:
Skynx let's just clear something up. Did you still scum read koshi after you found out he did his opener as town?

No, my meta was wrong and it didn't make koshi scum.

That means null on Koshi. Implication was that if he ever turned out scum, those three would get some towncred in my eyes.


Boom. Artanis is mafia.

How is that relevant to my alignment? All that matters is whether I believed what I said.


Because to the majority of the people in this game it's apparent that skynx didn't scum read koshi anymore but still had that weird thought process. To the person that doesn't know alignments we assume that makes him mafia.

To the mafia (you) you know he's town and make up a completely bull shit narrative town thought process that he didn't even have.

You're mafiaaaaa. Ggggggg.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
August 26 2017 10:24 GMT
#943
On August 26 2017 00:03 ruXxar wrote:
HF said that you were thinking about koshi in a backwards way from "if koshi is mafia these guys are town" instead of "if koshi is town, these guys are mafia".

But taking into view that you actually suspected koshi for being mafia, it makes perfect sense that you used that view in your thoughts and not the other way around.

ruXxar making more sense than most people in the thread. It's amazing.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 26 2017 10:28 GMT
#944
More sense? Dude just confirmed he didn't at all.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 26 2017 10:28 GMT
#945
Probably brings skynx back into question actually. Back into the artanis/skynx alignment competition
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 26 2017 10:28 GMT
#946
On August 26 2017 19:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 00:03 ruXxar wrote:
HF said that you were thinking about koshi in a backwards way from "if koshi is mafia these guys are town" instead of "if koshi is town, these guys are mafia".

But taking into view that you actually suspected koshi for being mafia, it makes perfect sense that you used that view in your thoughts and not the other way around.

ruXxar making more sense than most people in the thread. It's amazing.

Not really no. Because Skynx didnt suspect Koshi beingmafia anymore. I think this got JUST sorted out....
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
August 26 2017 10:29 GMT
#947
On August 26 2017 19:24 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 19:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 26 2017 19:18 Holyflare wrote:
On August 26 2017 19:15 Skynx wrote:
On August 26 2017 19:09 Holyflare wrote:
Skynx let's just clear something up. Did you still scum read koshi after you found out he did his opener as town?

No, my meta was wrong and it didn't make koshi scum.

That means null on Koshi. Implication was that if he ever turned out scum, those three would get some towncred in my eyes.


Boom. Artanis is mafia.

How is that relevant to my alignment? All that matters is whether I believed what I said.


Because to the majority of the people in this game it's apparent that skynx didn't scum read koshi anymore but still had that weird thought process. To the person that doesn't know alignments we assume that makes him mafia.

To the mafia (you) you know he's town and make up a completely bull shit narrative town thought process that he didn't even have.

You're mafiaaaaa. Ggggggg.

The majority of the people in this game don't think like me. My approach to the game is fairly different. I can see a town explanation for what Skynx did and thus don't read it as particularly scummy. You apparently found one too, given you think that he has to be town if I'm scum and think I'm scum. And if he actually is scum, then I can't have read him town for knowing he's town. Your argument makes zero sense.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 26 2017 10:29 GMT
#948
Artanis/ruxxar maybe. Always a possibility I'm wrong on koshi I guess. Perpetual afk is so his mafia meta though.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22285 Posts
August 26 2017 10:30 GMT
#949
HF I don't understand what you're trying to do with skynx rehashing all that stuff over and over again.

His meta was wrong, he didn't care to do his due diligence. Make your conclusion.

I think other parts of his filter are more interesting, this for example.

On August 25 2017 06:01 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 05:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Skynx: LS/TW/Vivax cant be mafia if Koshi is mafia
rayn: why?
[conversation about why]
Koshi: You understand that what LS and TW did was put pressure on you by +1ing Vivax. Safe play as mafia.
Skynx: That's what im trying to say

whaaaaat?

That's not at all what i said. TW and LS are not +1's of Vivax. They are replying to me continuing on the same accusation of Koshi posting further mafia openers. It's their own conclusion yet same pattern as Vivax which is in my opinion town sided as they can just ignore if on their mafia teammate at that point.

It is annoying when you make me focus on just one bit of the game.


This post might as well not exist since it doesn't lead anywhere.

He's saying if Koshi is mafia, then what us three did was townie. If Koshi is town, then whatever.

In later posts he talks about how LS doesn't deserve a strong TR and nobody should be townreading TW in reply to geript.

So he isn't concluding anything from his own reasoning he gave to explain how he's supposed to draw a read from what us three did.

Ergo, he probably just served rayn some drivel to shut him up.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
August 26 2017 10:30 GMT
#950
On August 26 2017 19:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 19:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 26 2017 00:03 ruXxar wrote:
HF said that you were thinking about koshi in a backwards way from "if koshi is mafia these guys are town" instead of "if koshi is town, these guys are mafia".

But taking into view that you actually suspected koshi for being mafia, it makes perfect sense that you used that view in your thoughts and not the other way around.

ruXxar making more sense than most people in the thread. It's amazing.

Not really no. Because Skynx didnt suspect Koshi beingmafia anymore. I think this got JUST sorted out....

It doesn't matter. There were 10 minutes in between his post and he was thinking about Koshi being scum for a while now, and thus probably theorizing from that point still. It makes sense for that to be his first thought.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 26 2017 10:31 GMT
#951
On August 26 2017 19:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 19:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 19:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 26 2017 00:03 ruXxar wrote:
HF said that you were thinking about koshi in a backwards way from "if koshi is mafia these guys are town" instead of "if koshi is town, these guys are mafia".

But taking into view that you actually suspected koshi for being mafia, it makes perfect sense that you used that view in your thoughts and not the other way around.

ruXxar making more sense than most people in the thread. It's amazing.

Not really no. Because Skynx didnt suspect Koshi beingmafia anymore. I think this got JUST sorted out....

It doesn't matter. There were 10 minutes in between his post and he was thinking about Koshi being scum for a while now, and thus probably theorizing from that point still. It makes sense for that to be his first thought.

Not really, no.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 26 2017 10:31 GMT
#952
On August 26 2017 19:30 Vivax wrote:
HF I don't understand what you're trying to do with skynx rehashing all that stuff over and over again.

His meta was wrong, he didn't care to do his due diligence. Make your conclusion.

I think other parts of his filter are more interesting, this for example.

Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 06:01 Skynx wrote:
On August 25 2017 05:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Skynx: LS/TW/Vivax cant be mafia if Koshi is mafia
rayn: why?
[conversation about why]
Koshi: You understand that what LS and TW did was put pressure on you by +1ing Vivax. Safe play as mafia.
Skynx: That's what im trying to say

whaaaaat?

That's not at all what i said. TW and LS are not +1's of Vivax. They are replying to me continuing on the same accusation of Koshi posting further mafia openers. It's their own conclusion yet same pattern as Vivax which is in my opinion town sided as they can just ignore if on their mafia teammate at that point.

It is annoying when you make me focus on just one bit of the game.


This post might as well not exist since it doesn't lead anywhere.

He's saying if Koshi is mafia, then what us three did was townie. If Koshi is town, then whatever.

In later posts he talks about how LS doesn't deserve a strong TR and nobody should be townreading TW in reply to geript.

So he isn't concluding anything from his own reasoning he gave to explain how he's supposed to draw a read from what us three did.

Ergo, he probably just served rayn some drivel to shut him up.


Are you playing intentionally dumb? This is nothing to do with skynx.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 26 2017 10:32 GMT
#953
I mean that's not really how mafia (players) works. Sure, you can come up with reasons why he lied to me too as town if you want to.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 26 2017 10:32 GMT
#954
Rest of your post was fine though. Good even.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
August 26 2017 10:35 GMT
#955
On August 26 2017 19:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 19:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 26 2017 19:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 19:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 26 2017 00:03 ruXxar wrote:
HF said that you were thinking about koshi in a backwards way from "if koshi is mafia these guys are town" instead of "if koshi is town, these guys are mafia".

But taking into view that you actually suspected koshi for being mafia, it makes perfect sense that you used that view in your thoughts and not the other way around.

ruXxar making more sense than most people in the thread. It's amazing.

Not really no. Because Skynx didnt suspect Koshi beingmafia anymore. I think this got JUST sorted out....

It doesn't matter. There were 10 minutes in between his post and he was thinking about Koshi being scum for a while now, and thus probably theorizing from that point still. It makes sense for that to be his first thought.

Not really, no.

I can really easily see me doing that. If I can and I'm town, and a few others can like ruxxar and Koshi (and we can't all be scum, unless you think its me/ruxx/koshi and ALL scum focussed on defending town lynchbait here), then clearly it's dumb to keep focussing on this.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 26 2017 10:35 GMT
#956
On August 26 2017 19:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 19:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 19:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 26 2017 00:03 ruXxar wrote:
HF said that you were thinking about koshi in a backwards way from "if koshi is mafia these guys are town" instead of "if koshi is town, these guys are mafia".

But taking into view that you actually suspected koshi for being mafia, it makes perfect sense that you used that view in your thoughts and not the other way around.

ruXxar making more sense than most people in the thread. It's amazing.

Not really no. Because Skynx didnt suspect Koshi beingmafia anymore. I think this got JUST sorted out....

It doesn't matter. There were 10 minutes in between his post and he was thinking about Koshi being scum for a while now, and thus probably theorizing from that point still. It makes sense for that to be his first thought.


Kind of bull shit really. There's 4 minutes between him finding a mafia post and the town one. Basically the time it takes to meta dive and post.

Then 10 minutes after that he makes the conclusion after not thinking koshi is mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 26 2017 10:37 GMT
#957
On August 26 2017 19:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 19:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 19:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 26 2017 19:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 19:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 26 2017 00:03 ruXxar wrote:
HF said that you were thinking about koshi in a backwards way from "if koshi is mafia these guys are town" instead of "if koshi is town, these guys are mafia".

But taking into view that you actually suspected koshi for being mafia, it makes perfect sense that you used that view in your thoughts and not the other way around.

ruXxar making more sense than most people in the thread. It's amazing.

Not really no. Because Skynx didnt suspect Koshi beingmafia anymore. I think this got JUST sorted out....

It doesn't matter. There were 10 minutes in between his post and he was thinking about Koshi being scum for a while now, and thus probably theorizing from that point still. It makes sense for that to be his first thought.

Not really, no.

I can really easily see me doing that. If I can and I'm town, and a few others can like ruxxar and Koshi (and we can't all be scum, unless you think its me/ruxx/koshi and ALL scum focussed on defending town lynchbait here), then clearly it's dumb to keep focussing on this.


Perhaps you should actually read ruxxar's post when you use him to defend yourself.

On August 26 2017 00:25 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 00:10 Holyflare wrote:
On August 26 2017 00:03 ruXxar wrote:
HF said that you were thinking about koshi in a backwards way from "if koshi is mafia these guys are town" instead of "if koshi is town, these guys are mafia".

But taking into view that you actually suspected koshi for being mafia, it makes perfect sense that you used that view in your thoughts and not the other way around.


You drunk? He made that conclusion AFTER he concluded koshi wasn't mafia.


It's irrelevant nitpicking. NAI imo.



He doesn't even realise the order of events happening and is drunk.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
August 26 2017 10:38 GMT
#958
On August 26 2017 19:35 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 19:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 26 2017 19:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 19:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 26 2017 00:03 ruXxar wrote:
HF said that you were thinking about koshi in a backwards way from "if koshi is mafia these guys are town" instead of "if koshi is town, these guys are mafia".

But taking into view that you actually suspected koshi for being mafia, it makes perfect sense that you used that view in your thoughts and not the other way around.

ruXxar making more sense than most people in the thread. It's amazing.

Not really no. Because Skynx didnt suspect Koshi beingmafia anymore. I think this got JUST sorted out....

It doesn't matter. There were 10 minutes in between his post and he was thinking about Koshi being scum for a while now, and thus probably theorizing from that point still. It makes sense for that to be his first thought.


Kind of bull shit really. There's 4 minutes between him finding a mafia post and the town one. Basically the time it takes to meta dive and post.

Then 10 minutes after that he makes the conclusion after not thinking koshi is mafia.

I'm not the only one who believes what Skynx did makes sense from a town perspective. Do you think everyone that thinks that is mafia, or what's going on?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 26 2017 10:38 GMT
#959
On August 26 2017 19:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 19:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 19:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 26 2017 19:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 19:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 26 2017 00:03 ruXxar wrote:
HF said that you were thinking about koshi in a backwards way from "if koshi is mafia these guys are town" instead of "if koshi is town, these guys are mafia".

But taking into view that you actually suspected koshi for being mafia, it makes perfect sense that you used that view in your thoughts and not the other way around.

ruXxar making more sense than most people in the thread. It's amazing.

Not really no. Because Skynx didnt suspect Koshi beingmafia anymore. I think this got JUST sorted out....

It doesn't matter. There were 10 minutes in between his post and he was thinking about Koshi being scum for a while now, and thus probably theorizing from that point still. It makes sense for that to be his first thought.

Not really, no.

I can really easily see me doing that. If I can and I'm town, and a few others can like ruxxar and Koshi (and we can't all be scum, unless you think its me/ruxx/koshi and ALL scum focussed on defending town lynchbait here), then clearly it's dumb to keep focussing on this.

I don't know if ruxxar and Koshi can see themselves doing that, maybe they can see Skynx doing that. If you can see yourself doing that i think that makes you not very good mafia player then. Especially how fast paced our game is making good judgement calls on the fly is a necessity (i mean for being good), and after all -- if you are not sure 1 hr into the game there is no reason to post before you have thought out what you say as town , when someone JUST debunked your theory about something.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
August 26 2017 10:38 GMT
#960
On August 26 2017 19:37 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 19:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 26 2017 19:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 19:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 26 2017 19:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 26 2017 19:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On August 26 2017 00:03 ruXxar wrote:
HF said that you were thinking about koshi in a backwards way from "if koshi is mafia these guys are town" instead of "if koshi is town, these guys are mafia".

But taking into view that you actually suspected koshi for being mafia, it makes perfect sense that you used that view in your thoughts and not the other way around.

ruXxar making more sense than most people in the thread. It's amazing.

Not really no. Because Skynx didnt suspect Koshi beingmafia anymore. I think this got JUST sorted out....

It doesn't matter. There were 10 minutes in between his post and he was thinking about Koshi being scum for a while now, and thus probably theorizing from that point still. It makes sense for that to be his first thought.

Not really, no.

I can really easily see me doing that. If I can and I'm town, and a few others can like ruxxar and Koshi (and we can't all be scum, unless you think its me/ruxx/koshi and ALL scum focussed on defending town lynchbait here), then clearly it's dumb to keep focussing on this.


Perhaps you should actually read ruxxar's post when you use him to defend yourself.

Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 00:25 ruXxar wrote:
On August 26 2017 00:10 Holyflare wrote:
On August 26 2017 00:03 ruXxar wrote:
HF said that you were thinking about koshi in a backwards way from "if koshi is mafia these guys are town" instead of "if koshi is town, these guys are mafia".

But taking into view that you actually suspected koshi for being mafia, it makes perfect sense that you used that view in your thoughts and not the other way around.


You drunk? He made that conclusion AFTER he concluded koshi wasn't mafia.


It's irrelevant nitpicking. NAI imo.



He doesn't even realise the order of events happening and is drunk.

He does, ergo saying it's nitpicking. That it's 10 minutes after doesn't matter.
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