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On August 11 2017 17:14 Jealous wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RryRK68.png) 10/10 | ||
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The best plan is 100% giving me a vest so I don't die. Also do mafia get nks? Not really sure how this works? Can't mafia just nk whoever gets a good power? | ||
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Also I don't think it's a swing and a miss. Everyone in the game gave some form of content in the thread based on very little whereas you have an incredibly slow start and say absolutely nothing. Only now have you any kind of read and it just piggybacks geript. | ||
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Right now it looks like you're hardcore discrediting it just for the sake of it. | ||
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On August 14 2017 16:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holyflare i dont think ritoky is mafia. Why do I care about an unqualified statement though? He did nothing and then purports that it's a bad read like it's untrue that he did nothing. Also irrationally angry that he's a clock. May or may not be a big part of it. | ||
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Also everyone take vest and no nks? | ||
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Ridiculous town favoured game :D :D | ||
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Sticking with rayn and ritoky. | ||
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On August 14 2017 17:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually i am playing sleep and work until 5pm or so. Tumblewood made the worst post in the game. This is also the third offence where rayn has dropped some kind of tidbit but had absolutely 0 elaboration. | ||
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On June 14 2017 18:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have a slight problem with disformation's Koshi "read". I'll elaborate tonight as writing posts on phone is pain in the ass. Same old, same old. Plz vig. | ||
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Geript Tw Onegu/conversion/ff/rels/hopeless Rayn/ritoky/damd | ||
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13 actual players means there's likely 3 mafia. But maybe artanis realises game is super town favoured and put more? Doubt it. He probably thinks it's balanced in some delusional way like cell was balanced. Let's assume three mafia then. One of my mafia is probably wrong, almost definitely. Since nobody is talking I'll figure out the game based on everyone's first posts. | ||
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Surely he just cares about his own reads rather than that nonsense he was spouting too? Judges nominate who they think is mafia and we lynch them already. They already have a voice. Then there's all this "I'll tell you later" with a slew of posts in between into "i don't have time to write it now". Do you think, looking at TW's filter, that it would take much time for rayn to quote the post and write 5 seconds of why it's a bad post? I'm pretty sure it takes the same amount of time as saying tw has a bad post and writing an afk excuse. | ||
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A) Rayn quotes TW's bad post and writes two or three sentences on why it's bad. B) Rayn writes a giant wall of text on TW's bad post. A makes rayn mafia because it takes the same time to quote and write two sentences about a post as writing an afk excuse and no content. B makes rayn mafia because it's a way overblown read on why TW's post is bad. Let's not even get into the fact that rayn hadn't even called tw mafia. Just that his post is bad. What does this actually mean then? Rayn is mafia in every scenario. | ||
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On August 14 2017 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Reading the setup is a useful talent toi have before making setup analysis, or especially before accusing other people for making bad plans. On August 14 2017 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi read this; here is what you guys need to do. whoever will win the prize you guys nominate them also for lynch target. That way we know there is someone who will not be lynched and instead of 3 possible wagons we only have 2. Chances of lynching mafia are better that way and there is less chaos that way. On August 14 2017 06:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Rule Clarification To promote an open and honest competition driven by the contestants, the Judges will only be offering their honest opinions on the best and worst artists at the appropriate times. (This means no 'bad' artists in the Item competition, and no 'good' artists in the elimination competition. The judges were instructed as such before the series began.) Thank you for your attention. Bahahahahahahahaha | ||
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I'll just make another reminder that you've posted no real content again. Especially on the worst post of the game. Yet have the time to make impossibly wrong mechanic situations. | ||
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Every winner of the competition takes a vest. The winners will always be the towniest nominated player. Mafia can't ever kill the towniest player unless they use their one chance in the game roleblock. If EVERYONE promises to take a vest then if someone else that's top town EVER gets nkd that means mafia won a competition and got another roleblock. This narrows down the lynch pool on that night to a winner containing mafia. All towniest people bar one will be alive. Someone will also be a vig at some point that they can't roleblock unless they leave towny people alive. All promising to take vests and nothing more is the superior game strategy. | ||
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Then I changed it to mean mafia can't nk top town people ever. Which is amazingly town favoured. You still have no reads though. | ||
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On August 14 2017 21:48 Hopeless1der wrote: but on the plus side you can add yourself to the dumbtell list That's another night i get to live so whatevs. | ||
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Why is my read bad? Unlike you i don't make up mafia reads based on garbage. Why is my read garbage? Is it wrong or right that you've posted nothing but mechanics and no elaborated reads all game? | ||
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Elaborate on the two reads you've given. Why is ritoky town in that situation where he did nothing but complain? What is TW's worst post in the game and how is it relevant? Why is it even worth mentioning if you "haven't decided whether it makes tw mafia or not"?? | ||
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Now this game you're being unnecessarily stubborn to me without calling me mafia. Refusing to contribute basic reads (you said you have a few town reads and this hasn't been mentioned at all). You're also guarding too much information and make weird call outs at bad times to stop pressure or add nothing. This isn't a time where I'm messing around. I think you're genuinely stubborn, whiney and uncooperative as mafia and it's a stark contrast to you last game where we turned it around and had pro town rayn and hf wrecking mafia. There's no need for the hostility but you're trying to drag it down there. | ||
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My job as town has only a few times been to push the right things. My real power comes from upping the activity of other people and poking holes in their writing till it becomes apparent for other people. | ||
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Yeh if rayn is mafia that makes ritoky more likely town. But I'll never let him get away with it. He's still mafia too. | ||
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 Let's kill rayn :D | ||
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All vanilla. | ||
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I was just reading the op and things. | ||
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You say you don't like his conclusion that it makes cake nothing but your read on cake is also NOTHING. You liked his questioning and read it and have no conclusion on her for it but then say it's bad that someone else doesn't have a conclusion on it. Then you think a baddy mafia ditches all his reads and calls everyone blindly town just after? No. It just doesn't add up rayn. | ||
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Why is Tumblewood's lack of conclusion on cake bad when you have no conclusion on cake yourself? I mean it's hilarious to get annoyed at someone trying to play mafia and determine other people's alignments. Why bother playing if answering basic questions antagonises you this much? | ||
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On August 14 2017 23:09 geript wrote: The lie detector test determined this was a lie. It's semi about it  My read is that he's got a chip on his shoulder, he's not particularly contributing. But my read was before his read post which wasn't awful but still achieved nothing. He should really be a scummy null above rayn and damd. Probably move damd below him in a new scummy level. But rayn definitely bottom. Rayn dismisses my read on ritoky for no reason just like ge did with the koshi one the other game. "I think ritoky is town" was so out of place. The reasons he states (that ritoky is contributing but on a minimal level) is blatantly after my post that ritoky was scummy. I also love jealous' posts and hope he continues pictures. | ||
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On August 14 2017 23:23 geript wrote: I disagree about Cop/Jealous dumb tells; other than that this list is pretty good. Damdred feels way detatched from this game. The dumb tell is on top of the fact that jealous has called out what he assumes to be bull shit all game. I like it a lot. Copcake drops to your level for calling out rayn but not much else other than discuss about a clock with ritoky. Still called out rayn though. | ||
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On August 14 2017 23:28 CopCake wrote: cake is null Cake is town because she called out ryan Cake is mafia again All that less in a minute Cake is null because the op not reading meant nothing anymore. I don't think rayn lies about that as either alignment. Cake is town because I remember you call out ray. Cake isn't mafia?? Never said this. Cake is geript level town because while she did call out rayn she still didn't do much else. Tw discussion is irrelevant tbh. | ||
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Anything else? | ||
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On August 14 2017 23:34 geript wrote: I can understand the Jealous read. I don't really like it; part of which was probably because he was calling me scum. But mostly because it's such an inconsequential thing. IIRC, his argument is that I'm scum because I want the judges to risk scum getting items in order to say "This guy is scum" when they could convey that through how they order the lists. It's just an easy nonsense argument to fight against as any alignment; especially since he didn't even bother to rationalize his argument in light of Artanis shooting down my plan. I think it was so fucking dumb it has to be town. That's all :D | ||
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On August 14 2017 23:58 Tumblewood wrote: it sounds like you are working under the assumption that rayn is already scum, so it is logical to posit that he is scum no matter what he does, but it's still stupid logic. That was the point of this post. No fucking shit. | ||
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TW drops to scummy for missing obvious point of post. | ||
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On August 15 2017 00:11 Tumblewood wrote: maybe you don't want or aren't able to post the analysis? dunno bout you but in my experience town have enough motivation to do it plenty of the time. and then what would be the motivation for scum trying to look like town? I mean you write it yourself. I even quote in this game a post of Rayn's 3 games ago WHERE HE MAKES THE SAME EXACT POST AND WAS MAFIA. Loooooool. If you can find where he does this as town instead of just instantly posting his reads go ahead and prove me wrong. | ||
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This quote is from 3(?) games ago where rayn was mafia. Compare to last game where he's just happy and forthright and wants everyone to know what he's thinking. | ||
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Why couldn't rayn write the THREE LINES on Tumblewood when asked? He just wrote useless mechanics shit and afk excuses in between? It was almost less words than his afk excuse. | ||
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Tw is bottom of my list post now. | ||
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On August 15 2017 00:19 Tumblewood wrote: yo this reminds me that in rayn's last scum game he also typed /in, juat like he did this game. crazy coincidence So town rayn is forthcoming with reads and will post a line to get people talking if he's got to afk. Scum rayn isn't forthcoming and writes multiple afk excuses and antagonises people. You devolve the argument to some joke? | ||
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Then there is Tumblewood who started questioning Cake (which i liked) and then ended up with "well i didn't even think that makes you anything" which i hated. Into "let's be town everyone" post. I have seen Tumblewood do the same sort of questioning before and it didn't end like that. So Tumblewood. On August 15 2017 00:11 Tumblewood wrote: maybe you don't want or aren't able to post the analysis? dunno bout you but in my experience town have enough motivation to do it plenty of the time. and then what would be the motivation for scum trying to look like town? Why could rayn post an afk excuse, 2 posts criticising my plan for mechanics while getting the mechanics wrong and three more posts after that before mentioning the bad post he hates? Is rayn this elusive in your experience? You say it's one of the slowest day ones you've been in. Do you think rayn hiding reads contributes to that? Do you even like rayn's read? He says you're nothing (bad?) for calling out copcake and determining she's nothing but also he determines copcake is nothing. Is that not alarming to you? Is this even a mafia read? | ||
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On August 15 2017 00:32 Damdred wrote: What do you disagree with so vehemently in the rayn read tw? (Btw I think tw is town) Why??? | ||
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On August 15 2017 00:48 Conversion wrote: also doesn't rayn play like an aggressive d1 where he just like presses the shit out of people? or does his playstyle change around I mean, me and holyflare for example are most likely the (almost) most nitpicking people in mafia in the world. We are considered good players. It's not because we are necessarily smarter than other people are. We just dig into stuff we find relevant. If it is "15 pages of shit" and we didn't find anything then well... we do something else. Raynpelikoneet, 2017 One game ago. | ||
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On August 15 2017 00:35 Holyflare wrote: So Tumblewood. Why could rayn post an afk excuse, 2 posts criticising my plan for mechanics while getting the mechanics wrong and three more posts after that before mentioning the bad post he hates? Is rayn this elusive in your experience? You say it's one of the slowest day ones you've been in. Do you think rayn hiding reads contributes to that? Do you even like rayn's read? He says you're nothing (bad?) for calling out copcake and determining she's nothing but also he determines copcake is nothing. Is that not alarming to you? Is this even a mafia read? On August 15 2017 00:55 Holyflare wrote: Raynpelikoneet, 2017 One game ago. | ||
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On August 15 2017 01:46 Tumblewood wrote: from his last database town game and from generic 3 ur move hf Lol darthfoley is directly after a darthfoley post in question and was quite obvious why. Also that isn't from his last database town game so link it. I'm almost positive he elaborates on it | ||
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Which isn't the case. | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk but geript seems like he WANTS holyflare to be town instead of wanting to figure out if he is town or not. But ruxxar doesnt even want to figure out what you are after finding something "super good". Within 2 fucking posts too!! He didn't even get asked for the read. No force. No anger. | ||
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Because tw is defending rayn and even digging to get meta to try and prove me wrong. If tw is mafia then this only comes from the perspective that he knows rayn is town and so theoretically it's simple to find games where he's done this before. Coupled with the fact he's doing all of this but his actual read on rayn is "null" at best it's dodgy as fuck to be doing unless he has the standpoint of him being right and me wrong (yes, tmi). Then you look at the actual quotes he linked me and they're trash and don't align with what he's saying at all but he thinks they do. It's like he briefly skimmed a game for the point to prove himself right (because of the tmi on rayn) and then posted them because it vaguely said what he was getting at. Basically lynch all Tumblewoods. | ||
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On August 15 2017 03:06 Tumblewood wrote: are you fucking kidding me you basically put the onus on me to find meta to disprove yours. so i did. and now you are calling that scummy? absolutely 100% but I'm your mafia so that's my job though innit? | ||
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that's classic rels | ||
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On August 14 2017 22:55 Holyflare wrote: I also think your reads don't make any sense at all. You effectively say this is mafia tw but don't call him mafia. You say you don't like his conclusion that it makes cake nothing but your read on cake is also NOTHING. You liked his questioning and read it and have no conclusion on her for it but then say it's bad that someone else doesn't have a conclusion on it. Then you think a baddy mafia ditches all his reads and calls everyone blindly town just after? No. It just doesn't add up rayn. On August 14 2017 23:00 Holyflare wrote: Nobody else is here. I haven't twisted a single word you have said at all. Why is Tumblewood's lack of conclusion on cake bad when you have no conclusion on cake yourself? I mean it's hilarious to get annoyed at someone trying to play mafia and determine other people's alignments. Why bother playing if answering basic questions antagonises you this much? | ||
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On August 15 2017 04:37 Hopeless1der wrote: @HF rayn's (lack of a) read on cake is mildly concerning, but his logic that TW should have a read isnt hypocritical to me since TW entered into a discussion/argument and exited with nothing to show for it. For example, TW's entire time arguing with you about rayn was reading like he knew something he shouldnt and I think hes scum for it. There was nothing close to that with his interaction with cake. If I was going to draw alignment conclusion based on interactions so far, I'd say cake and TW are scum together is more likely than TW <OR> rayn are scum (and the other is town) yeahhhhh boiiii | ||
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On August 15 2017 04:58 Conversion wrote: why am I bald also yeah, if the "best" contestant votes happen during the night and get resolved at the end of the night, then "subsequent" night as quoted from the OP would suggest that you get the power the next night..? Judges pick 3 ppl at the night phase and we vote who gets power up in first 24 hours of the day cycle. The subsequent night is likely the night straight away. | ||
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On August 15 2017 05:00 Hopeless1der wrote: I never said I believed it was true, just more likely than the other thing Why do you think it's more likely than the other thing when you just said that TW's interaction with me looked like TW tming that rayn was town? That means my theory was correct? | ||
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On August 15 2017 05:41 Hopeless1der wrote: I was about to say geript lol.. I'm voting jealous. I dont trust HF yet and cake just pulled some shit at the end of the day there. I feel like having legit drawings was a requirement at this point. so your top mafia read is TW because he talks to me like I'm town I also push tw like crazy and you're sheeping dem reads you also support my setup speculation of everyone taking vests but you vote jealous who you've said nothing about? | ||
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fefe is weak town for requesting not to get a powerup. i just don't think mafia are thinking of that sort of thing On August 14 2017 18:52 Holyflare wrote: Don't make me vig n1 judges cos they'll rb me and kill me anyway. Make someone vig n2 cos that makes mafia have to either not rb me and keep me in the game or rb me to shut me up and let a vig on the loose. Super pedant mode engaged. Why did you not call me weak town too for doing the same thing as FF before he did? | ||
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You know, if I get the power up then mafia have to 100% use their 1 time RB to get rid of me tonight. Who else do you think they're going to shoot? | ||
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On August 15 2017 05:50 Tumblewood wrote: ##vote jealous just look at this glowing recommendation | ||
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On August 15 2017 06:09 Hopeless1der wrote: Wait do they have a static 1-use RB all game or only if they win? If they win they get an extra one I think but it's one use otherwise. That is why my plan of everyone going vests is amazing. One time RB and always vote the towniest person in the game to get the power up. For example if you vote me today: I get a vest tonight and they rb and kill me. Mafia now have 0 RBs. from the wording in the op you have to use the vest that night so it kinda sucks but if you pick correctly you're always saving the towniest person in the game from being NKd and don't actually lose anything if mafia gets picked because it basically becomes an all vanilla game at that point which is awesome the dream if someone dies with a vest on after someone else with a vest has died then you know one of the winners is definitely mafia too, basically a cop check eventually | ||
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On August 15 2017 06:12 Tumblewood wrote: i didn't even see that post. and it seems to me that post asks to get a vest instead of a shot? ff was declining a powerup because he didn't think he'd be able to use it well, you just seem to be declining a shot because you think mafia are terrified of you you're disagreeing that mafia generally NKs me N1 or N2 in almost every game ever? | ||
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On August 15 2017 06:22 Hopeless1der wrote: Go to the first page of the thread and ctrl+f "block" Two instances that are all literally right there. I'm playing my rock-paper-scissors game instead of giving you a vest. If they win they get an extra one I think but it's one use otherwise. that's already factored into the plan??? | ||
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1) Always pick the towniest person. 2) Always make them pick vests NEVER ANYTHING ELSE. 3) If two people with vests ever die then mafia is contained in one of the winners. 4) Otherwise you are basically in an all vanilla game with the towniest people not able to ever die on a day. | ||
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and I can't even find the one time rb thing so I guess I misread but that just makes all vest all day even better because then the towniest person will never get lynched | ||
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Koshi: Fuck this shit I can't even play the game. Waste of time. Vivax: Oh at least I can afk in this qt instead of the game thread. Superbia: Oh. Koshi: Fuck it let me just read HF's filter and select three top town reads from his list and vote him with them while I afk. | ||
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On August 15 2017 11:07 CopCake wrote: Like he doesn't care also pls give rayn some time :/ This comes from someone that talks to him everyday, I know he had a shitty day and got almost not sleep. Is 14 hours+ not enough time? | ||
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This one. Totally different. | ||
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A) judges only pick 2 candidates so you'll force us to lynch one person which is incredibly anti town. B) I will get you lynched. You know what's easier to do? Actually trying at the game and pointing out why someone is scum and getting them lynched? | ||
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jealous/hf/hopeless more towny than marginally towny but less than towny Geript Marginally towny N/A Hard null Onegu/ff/rels/copcake/ritoky Marginally scummy Damdred (honestly not read your filter or what you've written though :D) judges plzzz Rayn/Conversion/Tumblewood (not with rayn) AMA. | ||
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Simple guys, I feel that her early pressure on rayn into her new found "leave Britney alone" rhetoric is poor. Apart from that I don't feel she's done anything else since early game other than forget almost everything she wrote? In fact I'm amending this now that I've actually remembered to copcake being on damdred level of scummy. | ||
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Quite simple actually. I feel like he made a good point on Tumblewood but now that Tumblewood has displayed that point tenfold in the game ritoky doesn't burn with any passion to pursue it. He's meek. Then there's the copcake shenanigans with copcake forgetting her scum reads and ritoky receiving the brunt of it and it's all meh. He even made a post about the lack of passion which I find intriguing because a mafia ritoky is constantly paranoid with how he looks to other people and this strikes me as one of those times. He also hasn't town read me. A failure that town ritoky should be ashamed of. | ||
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I don't fucking know, deal with it. Rayn is whiney bitch, insulted the hosts (punish him) and isn't playing the game. I think this is instance 10,000 where he drops a read but doesn't explain it. Read all his filters from the last few town games where he digs, digs, digs and questions inconsistencies and then compare to his last mafia game where he just makes comments like these. His big wall of text is riddled with inconsistencies imo. These new reads are atm unexplained but why should we have to dig it out of him? Does he not know how a game of mafia works? I expect an emotional wall of text about how he plays mafia for himself and just wants to be right on his reads and doesn't care about what we think though. That would be the mafia nail in his coffin. | ||
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I read his filter. Classic mafia filter. He tries to snipe little points that just seem extremely odd to snipe. I mean they're ok questions when you are hounding a person and want a follow up but these are all one off questions that lead nowhere, have no context and don't help him figure something out. Then he piggybacks off of fecal's hopeless posts to say absolutely nothing new. It's just an odd filter. Definitely should be lynch tomorrow. | ||
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Ff has done nothing and is null. His post to hopeless seemed so artificial: On August 15 2017 07:43 Fecalfeast wrote: So you take a list of everyone in the game available to be lynched and call them town or scum based on filter size. Do you think that counts as being helpful? To me it looks a lot like you are forcing yourself to make a reads post which makes me read you scummy based just on your list and the explanation thereof It's just so awkwardly worded that he dropped down to scummy. Then he posted some super weak read list but retracted his hopeless read (easy to do) and made a list that kind of looks like mine. It's super dumb reason to un-scum read him but he's null for now. I want good things from him or else. | ||
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That means absolutely fucking nothing to me. It's mafia 101 to try and talk about mechanics all game. Geript is where he is because of his posts on tw and because he has been reasonable, nothing more, nothing less. It's a similar reason why rayn also tried to "break the game" but is mafia. Doesn't mean shit. Rayn is also hiding behind mechanics now too. Why can't people just play mafia you ask? I'd really love to know because it actually just takes the piss. | ||
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No. Maybe I'm ok with jealous being voted and healing me or yolo strat taking a vest for the wifom plays though. Definitely should heal me though. | ||
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Activity: You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be warned. Failure to do so twice will result in a ban request. We will not modkill for inactivity in this game.  Judges' failure to majority vote Should the judges not reach a majority opinion on any of the votes brought towards the contestants, the saboteurs will be allowed to choose the contestants in their stead. The thread will not be informed if this is the case. However, we trust in the judges' ability to reach a consensus. This mechanic is absolutely bull shit btw. The judges you've picked all have a habit of afking when they aren't interested so we're probably fucked at some point. | ||
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My 3 would be onegu/conversion/tw since if those two display town rainbows we can always default to onegu. Maybe switch with rels so he has passion. Conversion is extremely likely mafia though. | ||
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On August 15 2017 21:04 Holyflare wrote: You didn't make the leap to calling him mafia! I've arbitrarily moved you to marginally town pending further investigation. | ||
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Do you think it's more likely that you're wrong on the image or he miraculously forgot two town reads momentarily (which doesn't mean anything to you since you don't say a word about cop cake forgetting everything) but then went back to town reading? It also leads me on to why the fuck do you think that's scummy but want to vote copcake who forgot more reads!!??? | ||
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On August 15 2017 21:39 Conversion wrote: too little time to actually read through filters atm so I'll give a dumb list like y'all null: everyone not on my second list scummy: HF if he lives past N1 and I get lynched and I flip town Hopeless1der So I'm town the :D :D Why hopeless? | ||
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On August 15 2017 21:48 Hopeless1der wrote: his concern about jealous' reads not making sense or him doing very little this game? Him picking and choosing super off things to talk about. Like earlier with his Tumblewood bad read but not having a conclusion himself he's now done it again. He scum reads jealous for apparently a REALLLLYYYY obvious inconsistency that's so groundbreaking that jealous somehow miraculously forgot he was wary of myself and copcake (this is the shittest read I've seen in a long time) but he makes absolutely no mention of copcake forgetting her reads at all even though that's arguably FAR more scummy than jealous. Notice how he is also just giving a list and then a reason why one person is scum but never delving, never prying, not being nitpicky as fuck. It's so off base. | ||
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Like it's not a scum read at all. It's not "he's done scummy things" it's just an if he doesn't die he's mafia. What's your read on rayn and why is it not mafia? | ||
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On August 15 2017 21:39 Conversion wrote: too little time to actually read through filters atm so I'll give a dumb list like y'all null: everyone not on my second list scummy: HF if he lives past N1 and I get lynched and I flip town Hopeless1der I'm a scum read but only if I don't die and also push you. So if I don't push you anymore I'm not scum? There's no reason behind this other than "hf pushed me when I know I'm playing bad"??? | ||
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On August 15 2017 22:08 Conversion wrote: also if rayn is mafia, then is cop mafia too by virtue of sticking up for him? Not at all. Doesn't mean she couldn't be mafia though just not for this reason. | ||
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On August 15 2017 22:15 Hopeless1der wrote: I wouldnt shoot rayn. We can lynch him, or he can play the game. I know filter length isnt a good metric, but when its mine compared to rayn's I question whether this is real life. I literally don't care. I will shoot rayn 9/10 times for this attitude he's giving. | ||
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HE LITERALLY DOES NOTHING. Fuck right off. Mafia. 100x over mafia. I've tried to talk to you about a million. Scratch that. A billion trillion times and have had no answer whatsoever. | ||
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My ritoky read progression is: Ritoky looks angry and not playing the game => call ritoky mafia => ritoky makes ok post about tw but I don't see it => tw starts doing more of what ritoky says/ritoky looks better => ritoky doesn't push it => ritoky mentions lack of passion (hasn't had passion all game imo) => ritoky looks worse. That's quite a simple progression. Nothing like your narrative suggests. | ||
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On August 15 2017 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like there are literally zero instances in this game where ritoky is "constantly paranoid with how he looks to other people". Constantly paranoid... In the mafia qt.... About how he looks. That doesn't translate to you very well. I don't expect anyone to acknowledge it's correct. It's what I think. I've seen glimmers of ritoky but 50% of his filter is talking about people that mechanic talked and 30% about his work and 10-20 content or less. I don't care if you like it or not. My thought progression on him is above. That's why he's at a big fat null right now. It's not a narrative it's an "i thought he looked good but he didn't follow through and made a paranoid looking post and didn't town read me like he always does" read. | ||
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BECAUSE THERE ARE NO MODKILLS FOR INACTIVITY | ||
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On August 15 2017 22:40 CopCake wrote: 🤔 I was reading HF's filter (Just the first page) and reading your post and he said that the game is broken for town or too in favour for town. I would have posted that if I was you. I didnt get to the "judges should nominate scummy people" I dont get it? He wants judges to give mafia bullets or vests or he wants judges to limit us to 3 suspects to lynch? That is bullshit, someone said that the Judges we got this phase afk and etc and is so bullshit to nominate 3 mafia and then if mafia wins all town will blame the judges and not themselves for being bad at scumhunting. I don't have a clue what you're saying. I thought the game was broken because we could keep the vests all game but you have to use them straight away. I also thought mafia had to pick within the 3 winners. Now I know the actual setup then having everyone pick vests all the time is still the optimal setup. | ||
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That sounds optimal to me. | ||
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I'm not crazy, right? Right??? | ||
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On August 15 2017 22:52 Conversion wrote: like you write a fucking essay on why HF is scum, passively insult every player in this game besides geript and Damdred, and now you think me asking you a question about how you "read" someone with only two posts is "calling you out" jesus you and HF are gems no wonder you don't want to talk with him Welcome to the town list. | ||
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On August 15 2017 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh, then i misread your post and you just called ritoky not town for what he is town for. This is a complete bamboozle by the way. I said welcome to the nominated townies list to ritoky and said he was towny. It's also in your post. Caught out scummer. Top tier bamboozle. | ||
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On August 15 2017 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually you are scumreading my scumread and i am mafia too. If you think that ALSO makes me mafia then you are mafia too, right? Except you didn't say any shit about it until now and it's for inferior reasons about some shit list post statement thing?completely different tbh | ||
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On August 15 2017 23:05 Conversion wrote: also answer this question thanks @HF can you explain to me where you stated you meant ritoky was paranoid in QT? I can't find the quote in ur filter. was that in ur head? I said he was looking a bit paranoid because of his lack of motivation post out of the blue. I implied in a qt. He's not going to say he's concerned with how he looks in a thread after all. | ||
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On August 15 2017 22:42 Conversion wrote: hopeless caught my eye bc he was spamming the thread and I didn't like his posts copcake's posts were irrelevant to me b/c I reserved the right to not make any judgment on you until you actually played the game I see what rayn is saying btw. Rayn calls out 2 post hopeless. Conversion calls out rayn on this point. Rayn asks why he didn't call anyone else out. Conversion says because he's only read two list posts and links hopeless one. Rayn says some nonsense about how conversion is scum because hopeless' post hadn't happened yet. Thing is it did happen. | ||
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? If I say ritoky is paranoid with how he looks it's from experience being in a mafia qt with him previously. It's a meta read. Ritoky is still null now because it's a minor point in the grand scheme of things. | ||
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On August 15 2017 23:14 Hopeless1der wrote: How did rayn have a read on me from literally 1 post though. Because he's mafia lol | ||
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You made this game unplayable for yourself to be honest. Everyone else quite easily answers the questions I throw at them. | ||
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That's like 8 words to dispel everything and you instead spent about 1000 on a waste of time case on me, making yourself annoyed(?) with me and afking? Telling me I'm twisting words. It was pretty simple and you dragged it down. Last game you quite easily answered questions like that. I remember actually you had the exact same argument with someone last game where we were both town and you made that simple statement. | ||
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On August 15 2017 23:30 Holyflare wrote: You could have said "why does me reading copcake null have anything to do with Tumblewood?" or "the way he was discussing it looked like he should come to a conclusion but he didn't". That's like 8 words to dispel everything and you instead spent about 1000 on a waste of time case on me, making yourself annoyed(?) with me and afking? Telling me I'm twisting words. It was pretty simple and you dragged it down. Last game you quite easily answered questions like that. I remember actually you had the exact same argument with someone last game where we were both town and you made that simple statement. Actually yes. Skynx made a case on you in generic 3 for these exact same reasons. He was town, you called him town even though you didn't agree with the logic. I agreed with skynx in that game too and you just shrugged it off. Completely out of character with your behaviour here. | ||
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On August 15 2017 23:42 CopCake wrote: Town. Rayn would have pushed on the weakest/scummiest town if he was mafia. That's about 0% true. He called me mafia and pushed me as mafia in his last mafia game. | ||
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On August 15 2017 23:45 CopCake wrote: Like is weird to me that people wanted to lynch rayn for inactivity/hasnt done shit and never contemplated the possibility of him being actually busy. Like if I was scum I would have tried to get him lynched and be like "lol mistake he was inactive that is not town rayn" Nobody used this as a reason. | ||
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On August 15 2017 23:54 CopCake wrote: Were you a general town read or you were suspected? A general town read. | ||
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On August 15 2017 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't understand this, can you go more into detail? You made a post where you scum read/bad read X (tw in this game) because he thought Y after a push. You also thought Y or something. Skynx cased you and you just said the same spiel about it's the thought process and explained it away. Then you said skynx is town for that case even if you didn't believe it. I don't remember the details so much and maybe it's different a bit but this looks exactly the same and your reaction to me is totally different. You also know I exaggerate scum reads early in the game to get people to talk. Ritoky being a weak one to push for discussion. So why flip out about it? It doesn't make any sense to me when you can simply explain something away. I asked you a simple question about a read and you ignored me and then when I tried to get more information from you over an inconsistency it's twisting yoir words fuck you bye. I just want to play mafia. You don't need to be a bitch because you don't like to play mafia. I don't think you're whiney so I think you're mafia. You're more reasonable now and it doesn't make the slightest bit of sense because you're more reasonable to me after casing me as mafia????? | ||
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On August 15 2017 23:42 CopCake wrote: Town. Rayn would have pushed on the weakest/scummiest town if he was mafia. | ||
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On August 16 2017 00:07 CopCake wrote: Here He called you mafia and you were mafia together And How am I supposed to know about your games with rayn? I am talking of the times he has been mafia with me on VS. He called me mafia AS mafia. As in Rayn was mafia, not me. | ||
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Also now that jealous reminds me why rayn is mafia! Yes, rayn said to stop posting pictures and give reads to jealois but this was after jealous' wall posts of reads. That's classic rayn not even being invested in game or reading. No backing out now. | ||
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On August 14 2017 16:56 Holyflare wrote: Why do I care about an unqualified statement though? He did nothing and then purports that it's a bad read like it's untrue that he did nothing. Also irrationally angry that he's a clock. May or may not be a big part of it. I asked. You said nothing. You then were stubborn for 24 hours and then your post came insulting me. I compared it to games you didn't have time in. Like the one where I was mafia. It's in my filter and in this thread. I looked back and it's wildly different. Hence my continued push. | ||
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First of all everyone (since there are like 10 or so people) who think i in any way defended Koshi are fucking retarded. "This post doesn't make Koshi scum" is not "Koshi is town", never has been, and never will be, except for in Holyflare's intentional or unintentional miscontrues of finding scummy narratives to what people said and twisting them to something that it never was. Unfortunately apparently like half of the fucking TL Mafia is dumb enough to actually agree with him on shit like that. I know he does that as mafia, and that is not the only case he has done it this game. I don't have enough games with him as him boing town lately to know if he has become such a shitty player he can be town here. So i am just gonna ignore him until he posts something that makes sense (no, the case on Koshi is not good). Secondly, the people who want to hunt for 3rd parties are usually mafia. I couldn't give less fucks at the start of the game who is a 3rd party. Because i want to lynch mafia. Fortunately, for mafia, the possible existence of 3p's allows them to genuinely "scumhunt", as in the only way to do so. Another red flag for Holyflare. Then there is this: On June 14 2017 21:05 Holyflare wrote: That's called a dead end. No mafia, no push. I understand the concept of generating discussion. I don't understand the concept of calling someone mafia because they don't have a clear mafia read or push when like fucking half of the game hasn't even checked in / made a meaningful post yet. Above is post 1 of many from the game you were mafia. Somehow Holyflare paints it all black and white, and that's why he is twisting my words, and that's what makes him mafia. He completely ignores the fact that people are different and just comes up with a narrative where "you made the same conclusion so you should think X", he completely dismisses the fact that if someone comes to a same conclusion than you do, it doesn't automatically mean they are town, because the reasoning and the train of thought is what matters. That's why i hate playing with mafia!Holyflare, it makes me super annoyed to argue pages and pages about this kind of simple shit and like half of the players actually buy that crap, even fucking townread the guy for it. Apparently i need someone like Palmar who actually READS the posts people make and not just look at the posts and think "well he posts a lot and on surface level that looks good". Yes i am looking at all of you, and i won't bother defending myself against this kind of crap, just lynch me and then you can lynch Holyflare. Let's compare to a portion of your post this game above. IT'S ALMOST IDENTICAL. | ||
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On August 14 2017 19:13 Holyflare wrote: Like i fail to believe that rayn the mechanic breaking god only focuses on how he can get judges to give us their reads rather than the fact we get unlimited vests and no mafia nks. Surely he just cares about his own reads rather than that nonsense he was spouting too? Judges nominate who they think is mafia and we lynch them already. They already have a voice. Then there's all this "I'll tell you later" with a slew of posts in between into "i don't have time to write it now". Do you think, looking at TW's filter, that it would take much time for rayn to quote the post and write 5 seconds of why it's a bad post? I'm pretty sure it takes the same amount of time as saying tw has a bad post and writing an afk excuse. | ||
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QUOTE one you were mafia and I was town. QUOTE two is this game where I am town. What does that make you? You now see this argument doesn't make me mafia in any stretch of the imagination. You're using a narrative again just like that game. This is slam dunk. It's way too similar. | ||
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On August 16 2017 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: What does it make me? Tell me, Holyflare. Since you are so into this meta shit, what does it make YOU? Or are you going to say "rayn made this up before i did so"? huh... WHAT DOES IT MAKE YOU? Tell me. Makes me town muchacho. One stark difference in this game: I've explained myself why i think there is nothing scummy in what Grackaroni has said and why darthfoley's "case" is shit as fuck. I can keep telling the same thing over and over again and you will end up doing the same thing you have done over and over again. So i'd rather just not care No explaining to be found. You were asked and didn't explain until you got annoyed enough to write a wall of text. Too little too late. | ||
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On August 16 2017 00:21 Holyflare wrote: Jesus christ I don't even care copcake. You made a read that rayn isn't mafia because of meta. I'm just telling you that meta is wrong. If it was correct in your game and that's your view it is disproved by the fact he pushed me 2 games ago when I was top town read. Also now that jealous reminds me why rayn is mafia! Yes, rayn said to stop posting pictures and give reads to jealois but this was after jealous' wall posts of reads. That's classic rayn not even being invested in game or reading. No backing out now. Can you explain why you didn't mention jealous' read posts before you called him mafia? | ||
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He's missed: jealous read posts Reasons why tw is scum All of my scum reads and monologues trying to solve the game Everything??? | ||
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On August 15 2017 02:57 Holyflare wrote: Because tw is defending rayn and even digging to get meta to try and prove me wrong. If tw is mafia then this only comes from the perspective that he knows rayn is town and so theoretically it's simple to find games where he's done this before. Coupled with the fact he's doing all of this but his actual read on rayn is "null" at best it's dodgy as fuck to be doing unless he has the standpoint of him being right and me wrong (yes, tmi). Then you look at the actual quotes he linked me and they're trash and don't align with what he's saying at all but he thinks they do. It's like he briefly skimmed a game for the point to prove himself right (because of the tmi on rayn) and then posted them because it vaguely said what he was getting at. Basically lynch all Tumblewoods. This is literally in your case calling me mafia rayn. Now you're confused? | ||
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On August 16 2017 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: yes, good plan, follow with that. can you tell me where the big list of reads from Jealous is, Holyflare apparently couldnt. I also cant find it in Jealous' filter. ??????? | ||
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On August 16 2017 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: let it just be said that regardless of my affiliation i hope some of the people in this game never ever do what they have anymore in a mafia game. it is worse than saying "fuck you" or whatever i have ever said. It's ny job as mafia though. | ||
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On August 16 2017 02:37 Jealous wrote: Rayn was on the scumlean list for other reasons initially and my recollection of him sheeping geript did not have any impact on that because that is slight town lean or NAI in my book. When I looked back as a result of H1's post, I noted that it was rayn that had a plan (even though it wouldn't work) so I took him off my list, but it was geript who fixed it and made it plausible within the confines of the game, which to me shows enough initiative to keep him as a town read, at least until further developments. In effect, neither person sheeped the other completely - they collaborated to make what would have been a solid plan. Rayn's continual focus on this point strikes me as desperate smearing after a history of not even bothering to read the thread and consider why the judges and others see me as town. In short, moron. PS: In lecture, no art supplies T_T; What reasons? You town lean him in your read of rayn's filter post so? | ||
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On August 16 2017 03:04 CopCake wrote: I have done things but they make me look scummy tbh Can you summarise what you've done since being nominated? I'm genuinely curious what you think about yourself. Also rayn, why did you add in your narrative that my ritoky read was scummy/bad but haven't said a word about copcake scum reading ritoky for being angry about being a clock? And why did you say jealous was scummy for not adding geript to his scum read and forgetting his town reads but didn't say a word about copcake forgetting her reads? | ||
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On August 16 2017 00:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: A replacement is needed for paint-off mafia. Please pm both myself and rsoultin if you're interested. Zzzz | ||
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On August 16 2017 03:16 CopCake wrote: Walking in a forest full of wolves (Except Jelaous) who are missunderstanding my words and claiming I am mafia for that. Now instead of metaphors how about actual content? What did you post that was good and why did people not react well to it? Who called you mafia and for what reason? | ||
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On August 16 2017 03:28 CopCake wrote: Hopeless played with the idea I think, it was early this morning before I got asked what I think of Rayn by Damdred Quotes plz. | ||
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So it's conversion and not hopeless? And it's one person not many. And it's not a scum read, it's a hypothetical. I don't think conversion scum reads rayn at that point? So why is it a forest of wolves and why did you feel the need to tell people to lynch you or whatever? What have you done other than say rayn is actually afk? Where are the scum reads/town reads? I've said rels is actually afk irl (steam) but I've actually got reads too. Soooooooo where are yours? | ||
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On August 15 2017 23:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk what you're saying here. but i don't really care. Cake is mafia. Lol | ||
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On August 16 2017 03:56 Hopeless1der wrote: The blue vote consist of 3 players and jealous is one of them. Your discrediting one of the judges' townread for shite tier reasoning imo. His vote was already on me and called me town wasn't it? He also said he town reads jealous so it's not really a point? | ||
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On August 16 2017 04:10 ritoky wrote: And holyflare joins the scummy pile. This just confirms the read baby! You're never this bad at reading me. | ||
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On August 16 2017 04:21 CopCake wrote: Dude wtf, what is your problem? I said several people and said who: ritoki, tumblewood in the begining, you when rayn came back etc Honestly wtf you are putting fucking words on my mouth. I don't have a problem? I asked you what you did today and apparently it was just say that rayn was legit afk and that you got called scummy. You said you did good things that looked scummy but I don't see any of the good things. What are your reads and why? | ||
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On August 16 2017 04:28 ritoky wrote: I think your read on rayn is mostly garbo about non sequitur and unmet expectations and the method you're choosing to push it is also unconvincing garbo about making the player look dumb/contradicting themselves rather than categorizing the play as scum indicative. Where's your bullet point list that you spam on repeat 80 times making sure no one ever forgets these points that make you infallible and him always mafia? To that end I think rayn's reads are pretty fine. I can't be bothered to do that when 90% of the game is on board with it. This game mode is also semi garbage because I can't make a case to get people to vote someone when I don't even know who is going to be up for lynch. | ||
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On August 16 2017 04:31 geript wrote: On iPad, so it's hard to properly snip quotes from Ryan's big post. A few things: HF's question (@~18 hrs in) was: "Why is TW's null read on cop bad when you (Rayn) had a null read on her?" Ryan's argument sounds good, but I don't think actually is basically: TW=/=Rayn. Which is true, but Rayn isn't really analyzing what TW is doing. If Rayn (who is better and has oodles of XP with Cop) has a null read at that point on Cop, it should be more odd (to Rayn) if TW comes up with a read on her. What's even worse is that Rayn calls TW bad for post 190 (a point I agree with), but Rayn doesn't dig to realize that TW is in fact calling Cop Town there. Big point: Rayn not critically reading/analyzing Side note: there's a point to be made here that the same point can be made HF looks bad for making the argument in the first place. I'm excusing that in this case, because most good players will often stretch bad/mediocre arguments in order to push a "read" in order to get a read. Here, Ryan's 'clarification' proves the big point of him not readin/analyzing critically as Town Rayn would. Ryan's HF argument of Conversion push into Onegu push is bad. Ryan's ritoky argument is actually good. @HF why did you call ritoky' Hopeless being in top 3 read disingenuous? You basically at the same time have Hopeless in top 3 Town and hopeless' activity burst was 24 hours ago until 18 hours ago IIRC. Still looking. Hopeless started being good near when the people got picked. At least that's when I started properly town reading him? | ||
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On August 16 2017 04:33 Holyflare wrote: Hopeless started being good near when the people got picked. At least that's when I started properly town reading him? Yes, he only had 1 page of filter at this point. That's why ritoky's and rayn's comments are super disingenuous. | ||
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On August 16 2017 05:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: People, please calm down. We're aware tensions have gotten high multiple times with multiple people. No personal attacks, you guys know better than that. Consider this a general warning. Rayn confirmed town. Gg. Bye. | ||
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On August 16 2017 05:24 Tumblewood wrote: i have wanted to get people off of you all day. the case is the only new thing, and i thought i was posting it with 45 minutes to deadline. and do you even think cake is scum? i mean look at that case it's pretty good. yeh but why have you wanted to get people off me all day? I don't think your case is good though | ||
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On August 16 2017 05:23 ritoky wrote: voted copcake. just don't trust hf or jealous......somehow i trust copcake more.....it was a bad selection by the judges and like I said before, hopeless wasn't towny at the point judges selected and trying to break the game doesn't make anyone anything because at the end of the day it's just mechanics discussion which mafia love to do | ||
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On August 16 2017 05:23 ritoky wrote: voted copcake. just don't trust hf or jealous......somehow i trust copcake more.....it was a bad selection by the judges also this this is a mafia vote 100% ritoky spends all of the first 24h shitting on copcake, has an argument with her because she forgets all of her scum reads and scum read him when she meant damdred but still scum read ritoky now he's dropped it because he doesn't trust jealous or myself but he has no problem with any of jealous' posts but definite qualms with all of copcake | ||
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"Rayn is afk cos of real life" "People scum read me and they're wolves in a forest" When asked who scum read her she linked a post from conversion that wasn't a scum read, and said it was from hopeless. She forgot all of her scum reads. She gets annoyed when questioned about basic things. She doesn't have reads(????) When asked what good she's done today it's literally, "Told people rayn was afk" and nothing more but then she complains that people are scum reading her because she's done good things today. She can't explain what these good things are. | ||
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On August 15 2017 05:06 ritoky wrote: all my life people told me i use stupid metrics to make reads. all my life i been more right than wrong. even if it is dumb, your top mafia read is about a drawing of a clock....so... On August 15 2017 05:29 ritoky wrote: i mean either: a) damdred is your top mafia read and you want to lynch someone who isn't your top mafia read which is ???????????????????????????? or b) i am your top mafia read who you want to lynch and you're lying. so which? i am sorry, but copcake hasn't been town. i can understand people having null reads on her or slight lean reads, but townier than an angle shooter or hopeless? no way, not even in the same realm. copcake - scum lean for inconsistency, her tw read (if i even understand it right) being sheeped from hf who partially sheeped it from me but i am scum, and her obsession with the clock aka omgus On August 16 2017 04:01 ritoky wrote: am i really going to have to vote for copcake in this top shit? really....is that what is about to happen.... On August 16 2017 04:41 ritoky wrote: copcake are you town? can you tell me who else is town? can you explain this progression? I don't think you've said anything or much negative about jealous at all, even town read him for his pictures and hilarity and fuck you ness but you've somehow turned around on copcake when she's been more inconsistent and said more nothingness? | ||
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On August 16 2017 05:45 Tumblewood wrote: so hf, who is mafia / is there mafia between 1der and ff? i think your opinion is important given that you're somewhat forcing us to lynch between them. either of them could be I guess but I'm not too sure about that, I'll need to reread. I just couldn't stand another word out of rayn's mouth and he clearly doesn't want to play since he's asked to be replaced and got town confirmed by mods and even wrote about how he wasn't allowed to replace which should be modkillable imo bye rayn | ||
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Your whole point was that you hated she forgot her read and it's crap. That didn't change??? What made her convince you? | ||
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On August 16 2017 05:47 Holyflare wrote: either of them could be I guess but I'm not too sure about that, I'll need to reread. I just couldn't stand another word out of rayn's mouth and he clearly doesn't want to play since he's asked to be replaced and got town confirmed by mods and even wrote about how he wasn't allowed to replace which should be modkillable imo bye rayn | ||
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On August 16 2017 06:08 Jealous wrote: But, if there was a (in my opinion quite fair) chance of him being lynched, why would you waste the shot? because I want to shut him up for good and there's like 4 people hard defending him and instead of wasting my time arguing with the thread forever I'd rather just say he's getting shot and talk about the other people instead | ||
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I think raynpelikoneet is absolutely town. | ||
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On August 16 2017 03:16 CopCake wrote: Walking in a forest full of wolves (Except Jelaous) who are missunderstanding my words and claiming I am mafia for that. On August 16 2017 03:23 CopCake wrote: Ritoki said I am over reacting with the clock thing which I think I dont. It is odd someone over reacts to that and he had has mood changes in all the thread, he even went emo. I dont disagree with him the game is hard to read ( I think Damdred feels the same way) I mean Idk if they have the same set of mind as mine like... i see and remember more drawings than anything else, people dont stand out for a few exceptions, I even confuse FF with Conversion. Now the whole "cake is mafia because she asked to give time to rayn" I did it because is the fair and right thing to do. If I know that he is away tired etc etc etc I will say it. Wrote about it twice. I missremember some stuff and missread Hopeless, but for whatever reason he was kind enough to understand me. Idk if he is trying to pocket me or if he is actually a nice person. you scum read ritoky before the night you admit you confused people you only quoted 1 person that scum read you because of the rayn thing and it wasn't a scum read none of it tells me what you did after getting elected by the judges either | ||
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On August 16 2017 06:36 geript wrote: HF, you need to explain why you think Rayn is town. Because it had better damn not be because of Artanis post where he's "modconfirmed." You "modconfirmed" Rsoultin last game as scum and you were wrong even after I pointed that out last game. Rayn is not modconfirmed. I should know, because I've been modconfirmed an alignment more than any other player here. He told the hosts to fuck off. He rage quit the thread and said he's quitting. He said the mods wouldn't replace him. Artanis Rayn isn't a dick bag and it's a combination of all of these things. He doesn't replace out of a mafia team for getting called out as mafia. Never ever in a million years. He's confirmed town. | ||
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On August 16 2017 06:41 Fecalfeast wrote: Why use the gun as a modkill gun unless you are mafia? That's almost textbook playing against your wincon if you shoot someone you consider confirmed town. yes and I don't care | ||
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I mean I just get the feeling he's making posts digging buttt then it stops there? Feels like harassing with no conclusion. It's weak but I could see why he got voted. I guess I'm guilty of the same sometimes but I do surmise eventually. | ||
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Additionally, the judges may secretly decide on their ‘favorite’ once per game. This decision must be unanimous, and take place before Day 4. The favorite will receive a vig shot that may be used during any phase, to be resolved at the end of the phase. I can always change my mind you know? | ||
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Judges' failure to majority vote Should the judges not reach a majority opinion on any of the votes brought towards the contestants, the saboteurs will be allowed to choose the contestants in their stead. The thread will not be informed if this is the case. However, we trust in the judges' ability to reach a consensus. If this has happened then I will never acknowledge this game. | ||
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Maybe it's a language barrier thing but even then it's like she doesn't care about the content. Her mafia read is ritoky because he was angry about the clock. Still. She's also forgotten damdred is her scum read?? Nobody seems to care about that. Certainly haven't heard it from her. | ||
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hf/geript more towny than marginally towny but less than towny Jealous Marginally towny hopeless Hard null ff/rels/Damdred Marginally scummy Ritoky/onegu/copcake judges plzzz Conversion/Tumblewood has to cheat to get town read and if mafia has voided the game Rayn AMA. | ||
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Yeh at the same point that I got towny feels too. So got that mindmeld thing going for him. | ||
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I also am going to go completely bat shit crazy and move conversion to marginally towny. Even though his filter is abhorrent. Come at me. | ||
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On August 16 2017 20:48 Conversion wrote: also I really don't like that a train formed on rayn with barely any discussion I'm taking my vote on him He's confirmed town dude. Just live with it. The rayn train is dumb as shit though. | ||
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hf/geript more towny than marginally towny but less than towny Marginally towny Conversion (might move him up even!)/jealous Hard null ff/Damdred (hmmmmmmmmm mindmeld??) Marginally scummy Ritoky/onegu/copcake/hopeless/rels judges plzzz Tumblewood has to cheat to get town read and if mafia has voided the game Rayn AMA. | ||
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That flip in read and timing at deadline just seemed so opportunistic. | ||
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On August 17 2017 00:39 CopCake wrote: I am also no one bothered to see that HF asked me for links when he confronted me on my read on rayn as town and mentioned two links when we were scum together and he is later like i dont care for links i dont care for you meta reading bla bla bla (His posts were super agressive) Same with the Conversion playing with the idea of me being scum with rayn, HF ordered me (not ask, order is the right word) to quote the person and when I did "Lol it doesnt matter it is just one person lol lol lol" If you can quote where I asked you for links and to quote ONE person i will lynch myself. | ||
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On August 17 2017 00:39 Jealous wrote: Quick catch-up post: 1. @conversion: Cop couldn't be in the lynch pool, please familiarize yourself with the game because this was a major point in the early hours of phase 1 to the point where Artanis had to step in. 2. @HF: Looking at your progression throughout the game through memory, it looks a lot like this: spend the majority of your time antagonizing rayn which becomes the main topic of conversation for many hours and gets heated and likely contributed to him being in the lynch pool, throw in some okayish reads on other people but don't discuss them much (until recently), then claim to have vig shot and to have shot rayn while also claiming that he is townlock which effectively "made him quit" and ushered in a decent period of silence from everyone, then come back and judge people for still voting for rayn. There are different ways to interpret this: 1. That you were in fact in the heat of the moment and kicked in the door guns blazing and have cooled off, and that Artanis' post does in your mind town lock rayn, and that you genuinely do think the vote should be on one of FF/H1. 2. You almost singlehandedly sparked into motion a series of events which led to approximately 36 hours of almost no one doing anything not - rayn related, or at least not close to what it would be if you hadn't launched your endless assault. Then you tell people to not vote rayn. I can see 1. I can also kinda see 2, but if the ends is confirming one town (in your mind) and simultaneously killing their motivation to play, I don't know how much I like that. My wariness is rising and I'm not going to take my vote off rayn just because you said so. I want to see this chapter closed and see what the outcome is without a doubt so that there are no lingering questions. It would be a marvelous scum performance if it was MvM, perhaps overplayed but I can't let the possibility of that go. Ultimately, while I don't think the judges are infallible, they did nominate rayn so as you said earlier, I feel justified. Also, heavy misrepresentation on your part when you say I have all 50/50 reads. I said that H1 and geript are hard town for me. I said that Damdred is scum lean. I said that rayn townlean. Please no misrep. Also curious how I moved down your list in towniness with no input on my part, after you said that my vote for you was the "towniest thing ever" but I can understand the wifom involved in that as well (I was curious why no one other than you said anything about it and you viewed it so purely positively... that's a topic for another discussion. For the record I just couldn't risk it going to CopCake). 3.@geript: Thank you! Scum reads aee the only important thing. Mafia can easily make 100 town reads but it's harder to fabricate mafia reads. See this post for a prime example of why you've dropped down. 50/50 on me again. I also forgot about your vote Rayn being removed from the game is nothing but good imo. His attitude was toxic but that doesn't mean he's not confirmed town. I did NOT shut down conversation for 36 hours in the slightest. This happened less than 24 hours ago and all morning I've talked with geript and conversion and we've produced content so that is frankly quite dishonest. Talking about rayn being scummy when he was scummy is not a bad thing. At least the judges and apparently you agree because you're voting for him. This is actually quite a confusing point you raise. Is this a criticism? Why is it bad for me to talk about the person you now want to lynch? Why do you want to lynch him when he's a town read? I also don't understand why everyone suddenly dropped their votes on rayn just because I shot him but didn't even bother to look at the other two?? Doesn't make sense to me. | ||
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On August 17 2017 00:46 Conversion wrote: anyways sorry I sounded a bit more aggressive than I wanted to regardless! jealous, cop, and FF what are your thoughts on rayn trying to get removed/replaced and saying that in the thread? do you think that's a scum play (in which case HF looks suspect for giving him a town pass based on that) as much as I got into an over the line argument with rayn, and dislike his play in this game, I don't see that being a good mafia play.. like normally you'd get modkilled for stuff like that, no? or is he pushing the boundaries of what he can fake because he can't be modkilled.. hm Read mafia qt last game where rayn says to me: "you can't lie about host actions because this is not something for people to believe or not" If he has lied here he should be banned for a long while. He also wouldn't qq out because he's getting scum read as mafia imo. That's the game. He's town. | ||
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On August 17 2017 00:43 Jealous wrote: You have to be pushing the game forward of your own volition, not merely sitting and waiting for people to notice you and ask you questions. Maybe then people will say that you have done something, or you could have a better filter to fall back on. Simply sitting back, only providing the minimum asked, and claiming to be forgetful while not looking at filters are all bad play if not at least slightly scummy. This is precisely why I find cop scummy. She says she's doing things but it's just responses instead. She's also trying to push me being narcissistic as scummy when that's just who I am in every game. | ||
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Why am I null then? Everything here says I should be town. Also rayn is CONFIRMED not lying about mods not letting him leave the game. This is confirmed fact that he tried to leave the game and mods wouldn't let him. Whether you attribute that to an alignment is up to you. I personally do. | ||
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On August 17 2017 04:05 Eversince wrote: I didn't say CC was pushing heavy reads, hell, how can you when there's no content in the game to analyze? She was doing good engaging with people and generally being a towny voice. But then she lulled off into obscurity for a while (Probably start/stop I didn't read much last night added to this) and then she was just 'meh' after which got largely ignored while 'you guessed it' Rayn discussion was happening. This is a gross misrepresentation of the game. I was grilling her all night and I don't know whether it's the language barrier or gross mafia twisting but she just kept calling me mafia for twisting things. Every post she quotes is me apparently twisting things but she won't be able to prove where I said these things because they didn't happen. She has been here the whole time in her own bubble. Can you point to her early day posts that you thought were towny contributions? | ||
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On August 17 2017 04:09 Damdred wrote: And? I have a documented read of everyone in game basically besides your slot and rels currently. Can you give me a list post please? | ||
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raynpelikoneetPerson was signed in when posted 08-01-2017 11:23 AM ET (US) Holyflare you can't say we have screwed up when we haven't. I mean like "mods screwed up" is not a thing for other players to believe or not to believe. So rayn is confirmed not lying about the mod actions. | ||
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On August 16 2017 05:42 Damdred wrote: This is like the worst group of people to lynch into... Why isn't rels or anyone up there so why this post?????? | ||
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On August 17 2017 05:04 CopCake wrote: I feel confident to call rels town Also about HF quest I got asigned, wait until I am home, it is annoying to filter on cellphone, like truly annoying. You realise I only play on a phone right? It's not that hard. And no way you can feel confident to call rels anything right now. | ||
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On August 17 2017 05:12 CopCake wrote: I am not gonna read 70 pages to look for that and your filter has an ocean but as easy as this: You asked me why I felt like I was walking in a forest with knives/wolves and you asked me who made me feel like that and quotes, I missremeber and I said hopeless but it was conversion and then you were like "rarararats one person rarararatsra" Right. So YOU are the person with the scum read on me but you can't be bothered to prove it to other people. I asked you to do nothing about Rayn's link to another game, I simply told you that your meta was wrong and linked you a game from my experience that disproved it. Then for some reason you linked a game and I said that was useless because I had no need for it. You've somehow made that into me being scum. Then you said you felt like wolves in a forest or whatever nonsense and I asked why. You said that because MULTIPLE people were scum reading you for talking about rayn afking. I asked for you to quote ALL OF THESE PEOPLE and you simply returned ONE person - conversion - WHO DIDN'T EVEN SCUM READ YOU. It was a hypothetical question from him to ME. Then you've scum read me somehow in regards to this????? So, you've misconstrued my posts at every opportunity, you for some reason have a chip on your shoulder this day calling me mafia because it enables you to dodge talking about absolutely ANYTHING to do with fecalfeast/hopeless/rayn (incoming oh I read rayn X here bla bla, I know you do) but like other people have said you just sit back passively reacting to people asking YOU questions and when you actually do get a scum read (me) you don't even push it. You're just peripheral and it's suiting your mafia agenda of survival. So when you get back to a computer I'll gladly ask for those links that PROVE what you're talking about and PROVE that I'm mafia because that will: A) be the first semblance of you making a mafia read on game based content this game B) be impossible because those quotes don't exist I will gladly lynch myself when you prove otherwise. 100% no take backs. I will vote for myself if you can prove what you said true. | ||
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You said that because MULTIPLE people were scum reading you for talking about rayn afking. I asked for you to quote ALL OF THESE PEOPLE and you simply returned ONE person - conversion - WHO DIDN'T EVEN SCUM READ YOU. It was a hypothetical question from him to ME. Then you've scum read me somehow in regards to this????? I guess the big capitalised letters weren't apparent enough so I'll bold them for you too. | ||
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On August 17 2017 06:03 CopCake wrote: Yeah it was a missunderstood but it still doesnt change the fact that I ANSWERED a super mean angry person all his fucking questions. I'm not mean or angry. They're quite straightforward questions. I asked your for multiple quotes and you gave me one that wasn't even scum reading you. My point is you said you found it hard because of all the scum reads on you when in fact 0 people called you mafia?? Regardless, how on earth have you twisted this to calling me mafia? | ||
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On August 17 2017 12:49 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm going to sleep. @HF: On the off chance you took medic, save geript. As if. Bye bye geript | ||
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On August 17 2017 15:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe Jealous is mafia too for that ridiculous analysis on the gun. Newsflas. Holyflare doesnt have a gun. You realise the only reason you're alive is because you literally cheated to get town read? | ||
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Tw made a town case on cop when she's not even up for lynch for christ sake. They're not together at all imo. Tw also tried to kill hopeless so they're not together. Tw spent more time on a town case for someone not up for lynch than trying to read any of the three actually up for lynch. And yeh your points aren't bad either. | ||
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On August 17 2017 16:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holyflare as town never no-shoots especially after getting the prize, because if he does that, he knows he's most likeöy getting roleblocked and shot. That is bye bye gun. The only way if he has a gun is if he is mafia. If two people die, hf is mafia. And i dont think claiming having a gun is townie play at all especially since he ahould know the only reaction he gets from me is exactly he did. Its not productive, regardless my alignment. They Don't Get A Roleblock I won! AND I HAVE A VEST | ||
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On August 17 2017 17:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: No. Tumblewood has no reason to lie there because as mafia, he can just choose not to. The only reason for him to lie, is if he makes up shit to put his vote on town instead of his scumbuddy. We all know this is not the case since ff flipped town. Do you seriously think Tumble says hes gonna read filters, doeant read them, and puts down a vote with quoting some random post as mafia? When the alternative is he can just what he did after, that he thinks there is no right answer, and just place a vote. Do you think he doeant see or think he will get caught on what he did if he is mafia and the narrative others have given for his action? Seriously, has everyone lost the ability to think lately? This is like the stupid case on skynx last game.. Oh yeh, I forgot that mafia doesn't need an excuse to vote someone at any point -.- You know what another narrative is rayn, since you just wildly chose one? That he is mafia and it's two town lynches and he has to vote somewhere so he makes up that he's tried so hard to weigh up the options when in reality it's shit all. | ||
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I think that's bull shit rayn and you know it. If you're town (and you're confirmed town by cheating right now) then perhaps you should look at this game and realise that tw defended you with meta that was completely bull shit. This is the third offence of him pulling up a random quote to "fit" with his read that when actually applying some context makes the read completely irrelevant. He defended you when you were a null read. I get that he can appear towny to quash the bad logic. Sure. But THEN the thing that makes him mafia is that HE GOES OUT OF HIS WAY to pull up meta reads to "prove me wrong". The meta reads he pulled were nothing like this game. He just pulled out completely crap quotes that if he read 2 posts either side of that one show it's not like this game at all. Let's not forget that you're his NULL read at this point. He goes out of his way to prove something wrong for a null read. He goes into your filters with the conclusion that you're already town. | ||
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Tumblewoods defence on your case against me was 100% logical and correct. There is that. That is not TMi because he only talked about evidence rhat was at the time in thread. Unlike Koshi for example last game. Ultimately untrue. My post literally states that the TMI is going through your database games to drag up meta (that's wrong in actual context) to disprove my meta read on you. His initial point is: "Oh HF that doesn't make anyone mafia, he does that /in every game too!" "No, tw, my point is he DOESN'T do that as town." This is when TW should be all. Hmmm, maybe I didn't think of that. What if Holyflare is right? What's his line of thinking then? As town he'd be questioning it, but he definitely doesnt. As mafia he's jumping at the chance knowing you're town and can easily prove it because if you're town this game you've likely done it as town before. Then he pulls up out of context quotes. This is the step that makes him mafia. When called out for the out of context quotes he flees and says nothing more. A little bit of digging goes a long way on this one: Maybe he decided to do something else instead of calling ff/hopeless mafia because he did think neither of them was mafia... why is that impossible? Why does tumblewood not just simply talk about hopeless and ff as mafia? wow now he cared about the lynch and assuming hopeless is town which is very likely, he did the "right thing" with basically zero risk. Why do you think my conclusion makes less sense than yours? On August 17 2017 05:16 Tumblewood wrote: town cake rit ff sorta town rayn conv geript jealous at least 2/3 mafia are in here 1der damdred hf es rels Hey look who is in his mafia list. Dat hopeless boi. Good thing his most top town of all he just left to die. On August 17 2017 05:05 Tumblewood wrote: i don't remember why i thought ff was town. but i think he is. so i'm gonna put my vote on 1der for now and speed read both their filters And he doesn't even know why he town read ff. So he spent more time town reading someone irrelevant than figuring out hopeless and ff. He spent 3 minutes! Reading hopeless. He said he liked that one post from hopeless and said there's probably no right answer but then hopeless ends up in his scum list?? | ||
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On August 15 2017 07:51 Tumblewood wrote: i think 1der is town for his response to this This was posted 2 days ago too. Then he read hopeless's filter after seemingly "forgetting" it and he points out a post he likes. Why does hopeless end up as his mafia pool? | ||
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Hopeless must be town for this post => votes hopeless => let me read hopeless' filter in 3 minutes => i like this post => hopeless is in a scum list Does he talk about ff being his top town read anywhere? I can't remember much if anything. | ||
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On August 17 2017 18:56 Holyflare wrote: This is nothing like his town game. He isn't switched on at all. Rels that is. | ||
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Hopeless Raynpelikoneet Rels Tumblewood Jealous(to an extent) Eversince (said to focus on three people up for lynch but didn't really push much of anything) Ritoky People that did care: Geript Hf Conversion Damdred (a little) Copcake????? (??? I can't really remember hahah) Mafia is almost entirely likely to be the top list. Rayn is confirmed town or abused mod comments to reach it. Hopeless didn't seem to care but did when abhorrent votes were coming in. Which is a +. Has pushed since. Rels did shit all but little easy comments back into afk. Only turned up at deadline to vote and leave again. Tw glaring inconsistencies see above. Jealous 50/50/50. If you ask me how 150% is possible then I'll tell you he makes it possible. Really fallen off with the amount of coin flip situations he's posting. Want more scum reads that actually commit. Eversince doing best i guess. But it's meager and want more? Ritoky just read my filter for reasons. Ctrl f ritoky. | ||
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On August 16 2017 05:43 Holyflare wrote: can you explain this progression? I don't think you've said anything or much negative about jealous at all, even town read him for his pictures and hilarity and fuck you ness but you've somehow turned around on copcake when she's been more inconsistent and said more nothingness? | ||
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On August 17 2017 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay. That makes more sense on TW. I forgot he had hopeless as possible mafia earlier. The tmi point isnt good though. I know i would have made the same thing as town when you called Koshi mafia or 3rd party when i was mafia. Maybe i am wrong and he is scum. I can agree to the FF thing. I mean that's not what happened at all. Below is what happened. On August 17 2017 18:58 Holyflare wrote: Tw's progression is: Hopeless must be town for this post => votes hopeless => let me read hopeless' filter in 3 minutes => i like this post => hopeless is in a scum list Does he talk about ff being his top town read anywhere? I can't remember much if anything. | ||
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Why aren't you applying that ever? Tumblewood isn't that guy. Him delving on the tmi meta crap isn't like him. Anecdotally speaking at least. | ||
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On August 17 2017 21:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is conversion town? Or is he in your opinion? Rels can die for all i care. Game was dead, he was looking bad. He came in with some hard hitting scum hunting and was the only one to give a shit. | ||
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On August 17 2017 21:50 Damdred wrote: @conversion, what happened with this exactly? You even lament that rayn is going to be lynched and never switch your vote after saying you will. I know the ff thing you will point to but that was later than your rayn point and you wanting tonseitch to hopeless? Did he vote hopeless? Conv why didn't you vote hopeless all day with your early case on him? | ||
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On August 17 2017 21:55 Conversion wrote: didn't feel good about hopeless flipping scum, and I had more faith that I can read him better depending on his behavior so I left my vote on FF that's all Why did you not feel good about it when it was a case you made at the beginning of the phase? | ||
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On August 16 2017 20:44 Conversion wrote: in terms of hopeless on why he's trying too hard, his first list is what really tipped me off like, what does this list do? he basically took the entire pool of players that aren't up for top3 and made a list that doesn't say anything aside from "yeah maybe town or maybe scum" that reeks of trying to look like someone's putting in effort while not. especially when his next followup wasn't pushing scum, but rather saying get rid of the lurkers. in my head, the best possible action as town isn't to just say "lynch afkers," it's to find who the scummiest is on your list and pressure them to slip or keep posting until they look scummy FF calls him out on that exact point, and his response wasn't great like his entire filter is sort of just like weak pressure, then back off. disagrees with a bunch of people, but doesn't make any actions to move ahead with what he thinks at all. the strongest he's pushed back on someone is probably rayn or FF, and even then it's not really a line of "are you scum" questioning shruug On August 16 2017 20:49 Conversion wrote: off him* woops. yah HF I agree, but the list clearly shows there were people in the game he thought were scummy, but he didn't do ANYTHING to push them. he talked to Copcake for awhile, and he has a quote somewhere saying he'd rather off inactives than conv/damd/someone else tier players, so he clearly thought some people were playing like shit so why not talk to them or pressure them to post in the thread? he didn't even mention me after that until I posted him asking him about his list and telling him to explain his vote like he did to FF I mean this doesn't look like what you're saying "just responding to ritoky" | ||
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On August 17 2017 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know they did but if Conversion thinks i am mafia why should he care? Like i said there are probably 10 townies and 3 mafia in this game. Did his other scumreads jump on me? You just linked a post where he called you null? Does he say you're mafia? | ||
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On August 17 2017 22:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Did he? not literally. But what do you think this line says then: Did i? What do you think his conclusion should be? At the time, when he took his vote off he said NOTHING about any confirmed town thing, he just said "the wagon formed too quickly". And why is that a bad reason lol? Null read. Need contribution. Everyone silently wagons you? Hf calls him confirmed town He unvotes and wants to talk things through. Don't see the problem? Even if the confirmed town thing is irrelevant the silent wagon on you whilst I'm yelling you're confirmed town was dumb as fuck and achieved nothing. What reason does he have to not join them when he's set up the perfect excuse that you're mafia if you don't contribute? | ||
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On August 17 2017 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also if you're town Holyflare you should really really hard look into Jealous. I mean I've questioned his vote on you non stop? Just waiting for a reply really. | ||
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On August 17 2017 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Not to even mention when HF calls a shot on me EVERYTHING Jealous does is like "well why are you doing this HF????". THE DUDE IS TRYING TO SHOOT HIS TOP SCUMREAD! Actually that's a lie. You were jealous' town lean :D :D :D | ||
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On August 17 2017 00:59 Holyflare wrote: Scum reads aee the only important thing. Mafia can easily make 100 town reads but it's harder to fabricate mafia reads. See this post for a prime example of why you've dropped down. 50/50 on me again. I also forgot about your vote Rayn being removed from the game is nothing but good imo. His attitude was toxic but that doesn't mean he's not confirmed town. I did NOT shut down conversation for 36 hours in the slightest. This happened less than 24 hours ago and all morning I've talked with geript and conversion and we've produced content so that is frankly quite dishonest. Talking about rayn being scummy when he was scummy is not a bad thing. At least the judges and apparently you agree because you're voting for him. This is actually quite a confusing point you raise. Is this a criticism? Why is it bad for me to talk about the person you now want to lynch? Why do you want to lynch him when he's a town read? I also don't understand why everyone suddenly dropped their votes on rayn just because I shot him but didn't even bother to look at the other two?? Doesn't make sense to me. On August 17 2017 05:21 Holyflare wrote: Also I just want to reiterate that although I town read jealous for his vote making me have a vest he town read rayn before his vote on him today and is simply voting him because the judges said so effectively | ||
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Also, heavy misrepresentation on your part when you say I have all 50/50 reads. I said that H1 and geript are hard town for me. I said that Damdred is scum lean. I said that rayn townlean. Please no misrep. Also curious how I moved down your list in towniness with no input on my part, after you said that my vote for you was the "towniest thing ever" but I can understand the wifom involved in that as well (I was curious why no one other than you said anything about it and you viewed it so purely positively... that's a topic for another discussion. For the record I just couldn't risk it going to CopCake). | ||
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On August 17 2017 00:39 Jealous wrote: Quick catch-up post: 1. @conversion: Cop couldn't be in the lynch pool, please familiarize yourself with the game because this was a major point in the early hours of phase 1 to the point where Artanis had to step in. 2. @HF: Looking at your progression throughout the game through memory, it looks a lot like this: spend the majority of your time antagonizing rayn which becomes the main topic of conversation for many hours and gets heated and likely contributed to him being in the lynch pool, throw in some okayish reads on other people but don't discuss them much (until recently), then claim to have vig shot and to have shot rayn while also claiming that he is townlock which effectively "made him quit" and ushered in a decent period of silence from everyone, then come back and judge people for still voting for rayn. There are different ways to interpret this: 1. That you were in fact in the heat of the moment and kicked in the door guns blazing and have cooled off, and that Artanis' post does in your mind town lock rayn, and that you genuinely do think the vote should be on one of FF/H1. 2. You almost singlehandedly sparked into motion a series of events which led to approximately 36 hours of almost no one doing anything not - rayn related, or at least not close to what it would be if you hadn't launched your endless assault. Then you tell people to not vote rayn. I can see 1. I can also kinda see 2, but if the ends is confirming one town (in your mind) and simultaneously killing their motivation to play, I don't know how much I like that. My wariness is rising and I'm not going to take my vote off rayn just because you said so. I want to see this chapter closed and see what the outcome is without a doubt so that there are no lingering questions. It would be a marvelous scum performance if it was MvM, perhaps overplayed but I can't let the possibility of that go. Ultimately, while I don't think the judges are infallible, they did nominate rayn so as you said earlier, I feel justified. Also, heavy misrepresentation on your part when you say I have all 50/50 reads. I said that H1 and geript are hard town for me. I said that Damdred is scum lean. I said that rayn townlean. Please no misrep. Also curious how I moved down your list in towniness with no input on my part, after you said that my vote for you was the "towniest thing ever" but I can understand the wifom involved in that as well (I was curious why no one other than you said anything about it and you viewed it so purely positively... that's a topic for another discussion. For the record I just couldn't risk it going to CopCake). 3.@geript: Thank you! Actually I'll quote the whole post. It says he's voting you to tie things up and because the judges said so. | ||
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On August 17 2017 23:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would most likely give you the vest if i was mafia if it was close between me and you. Yes because you know that panders to my pocketed ego like crazy. Never played with jealous. | ||
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On August 17 2017 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: And if he is scum its not exactly necessarily his own decision. It seemed very natural that copcake was about to win and he wasn't sure about her and thought she looked scummy and then him giving me the vest. | ||
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On August 17 2017 23:30 CopCake wrote: That makes him more town than mafia then unless he wanted to pocket rayn Tw's meta is TMI for days as mafia. | ||
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On August 18 2017 01:42 Jealous wrote: I just came here to paint some pictures. I think I'll go back to doing that now that I have more free time starting tonight, because I'll probably be on mobile/relatively busy all weekend and will be forced to use text. I mean I try and make constructive posts at least. Also in this hopeless/rayn argument I totally believed hopeless thought that someone like cake made an argument about tw seeing the judge qt. I was all ready trying to quote him and tell him he misread her post but then the thread went full on shit fest. Bad joke if it was one. | ||
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That's the problem we face. It's not that your posts ARE scummy it's just that in this game you kind of need to make that final leap on judging that person's character and making a conclusion based on you weighing things up like you have been. If you did those posts and then concluded something like "Judging HF by his personality he's egocentric and wanted to usurp the thread so he likely did action X" is what we need. It's just there's absolutely nothing to hold you to in your filter if you appear undecided each time. I appreciate the effort and the thought you put into those posts but it appears fruitless. Furthermore, it's also the topics you choose. It's more that you're picking situations that don't need to be talked about. All of that weighing up about me and the gun was basically pointless because in the end you just wait and see what the judges do. I've also made about 6 pages of content since then so it seems like you're bypassing content and arguments to talk about a kind of toss up argument. I suggest you go searching for something of your own accord. I liked your paint reads of damdred and rayn earlier, that was a good start. You just need to take the reigns and make US see why someone is scummy and push it. That would be the final hurdle to make you solid town that you currently lack. | ||
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On August 18 2017 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: dude he said that was not the point. he literally said he was bullshitting and because i called him out for that (i didn't honestly even think he can be mafia before) he started calling me scum. Yes, I know. He's dumbo. I don't really get it :D | ||
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On August 17 2017 23:49 Hopeless1der wrote: But also, this particular argument has a latent assumption that scum knew what the judges were doing...so wtf is that about> Like this doesn't sound like a joke in the slightest? What's so funny about it? | ||
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On August 18 2017 02:15 Hopeless1der wrote: And I get that the judges wont give me a gun, because I'm me and I'm not useful in any meaningful sense. (lynchbait doesnt count) But I'm still gonna try. Rayn entertaining the notion that the game was so broken that scum could read the judge qt is complete nonsense. COMPLETE NONSENSE!! That's not what he thought at all. He thought you believed there was an argument based on this premise (since this is what you said) and asked you where somebody said something like that. I side with rayn here. | ||
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On August 15 2017 01:26 Tumblewood wrote: i'm not hard defending rayn. rayn is null at best for me. i'm just arguing against an attack on what i don't think is grounds for an attack. ta da On August 15 2017 07:51 Tumblewood wrote: i think 1der is town for his response to this On August 16 2017 01:35 Tumblewood wrote: thanks euros for the 20 pages while i was sleeping i read half of them and i think cake is the clearest town. i'm also moving 1der into weak town. i appreciate rayn but i'm waffling on him hard. not necessarily defending himself in a townie or scummy way, just very actively. damdred seems like town, but that said i don't know if i've ever played with scum!damdred. On August 17 2017 05:16 Tumblewood wrote: town cake rit ff sorta town rayn conv geript jealous at least 2/3 mafia are in here 1der damdred hf es rels Hopeless is town, then weak town. Rayn is null then waffle hard because reasons. I don't see any mention of ff from you at all other than an "oh i thought he's towny". Somehow rayn isn't your vote. Why? Also you spend your time making a town case on copcake, why? Why do you spend all your time on that but run out of time to look at the 3 people up for lynch and somehow read hopeless in 3 minutes? | ||
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Mate just read my filter. It's got a pretty case on how ritoky returned at deadline and forgot his cake read and voted her for top town powers so I didn't get the vest. He literally did mafia tactic 101. | ||
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On August 15 2017 05:06 ritoky wrote: all my life people told me i use stupid metrics to make reads. all my life i been more right than wrong. even if it is dumb, your top mafia read is about a drawing of a clock....so... On August 15 2017 05:29 ritoky wrote: i mean either: a) damdred is your top mafia read and you want to lynch someone who isn't your top mafia read which is ???????????????????????????? or b) i am your top mafia read who you want to lynch and you're lying. so which? i am sorry, but copcake hasn't been town. i can understand people having null reads on her or slight lean reads, but townier than an angle shooter or hopeless? no way, not even in the same realm. copcake - scum lean for inconsistency, her tw read (if i even understand it right) being sheeped from hf who partially sheeped it from me but i am scum, and her obsession with the clock aka omgus On August 16 2017 04:01 ritoky wrote: am i really going to have to vote for copcake in this top shit? really....is that what is about to happen.... On August 16 2017 04:41 ritoky wrote: copcake are you town? can you tell me who else is town? can you explain this progression? I don't think you've said anything or much negative about jealous at all, even town read him for his pictures and hilarity and fuck you ness but you've somehow turned around on copcake when she's been more inconsistent and said more nothingness? | ||
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On August 18 2017 03:40 ritoky wrote: haven't been on in 2 days, all i have done is work and sleep. don't take it personally; i ignored everything. Not you babes. | ||
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On August 18 2017 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait what? You didn't get the vest? Anyways that's not important. But yeah, that's a point, i went to ritoky's filter and had to stop on the Cake thing, i have no idea what he did on her after that, that's why i asked. I got the vest. I'm saying ritoky goes from cop is mafia to afking to coming in at deadline and trying to vote copcake into power over me despite the scum read. | ||
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On August 18 2017 04:02 Tumblewood wrote: did you notice that ***two days and rayn's mini-blowup passed*** between the posts you quoted i spent my time ***before the lynch pool was announced*** casing my strongest townread because i did not trust the other two as much. and then when i knew who we could even lynch into you announced that you were shooting rayn and so i left for a bit, and then when i came back (admittedly much too close to deadline) i realized rayn wasn't going to die anyway so i speed-read ff's and 1der's filters and came to the conclusion that ff was highly likely town and 1der was less likely town. On August 17 2017 04:39 rsoultin wrote: Day 1 Elimination raynpelikoneet (4): Fecalfeast (3): geript, Holyflare, Conversion Hopeless1der (4): Fecalfeast, Damdred, CopCake, Rels Not Voting (2): ritoky, Eversince In raynpelikoneet is facing elimination from the competition. Voting is mandatory for all contestants. You can vote in the voting thread. On August 17 2017 04:50 Eversince wrote: ##Vote: FecalFeast On August 17 2017 05:01 Tumblewood wrote: ##unvote Crock of shit really. | ||
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On August 18 2017 04:55 Tumblewood wrote: i meant by your vig shot. the only reason i was voting rayn is because i thought you were shooting him anyway so we might as well lynch him and not risk losing a mislynch on some people i didn't think were that likely mafia. You mean that part where I said I wasn't going to shoot him? | ||
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On August 18 2017 05:18 Tumblewood wrote: i was under the impression (when i came back) that the thread consensus was already rayn town and all the people voting him had simply not changed it, like i had, so it would be unnecessary to say that i read him town (just like it might be unnecessary to say you read me scum). i didn't post about it as soon as i got the read because i don't like saying anything about modconfirms (i try to ignore them, mostly), but later i realized he was town anyway regardless of mod actions. Yet I post that you're mafia 24/7 :p People unvoted rayn cos mod confirming and that I yelled. If you had an actual reason to town read rayn I think that's pretty important information. Also far removed from the "i didn't think rayn was getting shot anymore" that you gave earlier instead. | ||
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On August 18 2017 06:50 Tumblewood wrote: well, giving you a second power-up seems a little silly, because you don't need two vests and you will just get killed if you take something else. It's not two vests?? You have to use the power up that night. | ||
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On August 18 2017 06:55 Tumblewood wrote: actually, now that i think about it, win-win if we give you a cop check. you use it and either you die (eliminating a 50/50), you check me and say it (confirming me town), or you check me and lie (confirming you mafia). and i will not accept "but we don't need to check you because we already know you're scum" They consist of 2-3 regular saboteurs and 1 framer. Nice try. I won't take anything other than vests. Ever. | ||
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On August 18 2017 06:56 geript wrote: I thought you'd take medic because you love me so much... </3 This is actually my one regret after. I couldn't change it mid night i had to choose before night started. Wouldn't have been able to stop a nk anyway. | ||
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On August 18 2017 07:13 Tumblewood wrote: it's hard to explain, but i'm calling it "passive guiding." i would not case someone on it (mostly because no one would ever listen) but i still think you're mafia for it It's not particularly passive guiding if I was the biggest anti rels fan in the thread. I just forgot about damdred scum reading him. | ||
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On August 18 2017 21:13 Rels wrote: ##Vote Copcake Nice mafia claim | ||
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On August 19 2017 00:13 Hopeless1der wrote: Thats ludicrously weak in this setup and you know it. How is it ludicrously weak? It's a really odd kill. I took a vest as a double bait to basically cop check the vets. I would imagine (and they've said) that they'd think i would take doc/cop and shoot me. They didn't. So the only reason damdred died is because of someone's fear of him eventually scum reading them because he knows them or because he scum read them. That's my list. | ||
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On August 19 2017 00:14 Eversince wrote: I'm a '?' mark in most of peoples minds. You are saying I fit regardless of who got shot. That does make sense though, nvm! Carry on! You're in a list of like 5 people why do you care so much? It's just people he scum read or people that are likely to kill him. Deal with it yo. | ||
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"can't shoot hf what if he takes vest?" "what if he takes doc and saves geript etc?" "let's just give them no info" Kinda fits a rayn kill too imo. Someone that's higher up in town maybe. I'll determine after next nk. | ||
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On August 19 2017 00:56 Hopeless1der wrote: Its ludicrously weak because they have to convince the mute judges to put their scumread up for lynch. HF, is this like a test to see if im stupid? And damdred is perfectly capable of convincing people? Don't know why you're so offended. Don't see you making any posts on why he was shot. | ||
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It's not satisfying to lynch him. Shot will do. | ||
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On August 19 2017 04:54 Tumblewood wrote: how bout lynch one realize you are not infallible Wow look at this guy he's so town. | ||
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Then why you getting annoyed he's misrepping you and shit? | ||
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Copcake's case on you is factually incorrect and incomprehensible most of the time. I also have no idea what you and conversion are even bitching at each other for? Where did you say you scum read rayn btw? Kind of different answer to what you gave previously. | ||
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On August 19 2017 08:26 Jealous wrote: Why is pointing out multiple instances of Conversion misrepping not "interesting?" I said that I found some of his posts scummy, which you can see in my filter analysis image on him. I also said that I found the circumstances surrounding rayn to be more suspicious than FF or H1, which I referenced in the post explaining why I am parking on rayn. Maybe it's the way you've written it. Maybe because it spans over pages of back and forth bitching at each other so it makes me not want to read anything you write. Maybe it's the monotonous nature of this game where I can't really be bothered to care anymore. Maybe it's the alcohols. Whoooo knows. All I know is that if you want people to listen to you then you take your spread out points and make one coherent case in a clear manner. | ||
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On August 19 2017 09:42 Jealous wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=107#2136 ? If you think this is anything close to understandable then I have to say otherwise. | ||
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On August 19 2017 17:13 Holyflare wrote: If you think this is anything close to understandable then I have to say otherwise. Ok I properly read it now and I still don't particularly get it. Conversion is scum for saying hopeless hasn't really posted reads when he "has" and also because he gave rayn time but not you. Is that basically it? | ||
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On August 19 2017 17:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: HF, are you up for a couple of games of brood war? I'm visiting gf's mum for the weekend :p it's gf's bday. Also I don't have bw :D :D Also ritoky is town now. | ||
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Cos I green checked him lol. Cba to wifom it anymore. | ||
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On August 19 2017 18:23 geript wrote: And the lie detector test determined, this was a lie. No it's actually not. | ||
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On August 19 2017 18:24 geript wrote: You're actually claiming a check on him? Like 100% no backsies? I told you no bamboozle | ||
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On August 19 2017 18:25 geript wrote: So why didn't you post this before lynch targets were picked? Because we can't lynch more than one and if any of tw or rels were in there I'm always lynching them first. Rels is top confirmed mafia priority. | ||
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A) wanted more info from people B) wanted mafia to think i was always gonna take a vest C) shenanigans But honestly i don't care if I'm shot anymore I'm just really bored. I've submitted a vest for this night cycle so that I can safely receive a gun and shoot whoever we agree on and I'll be alive to talk about it. | ||
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On August 18 2017 07:49 Eversince wrote: But why would mafia Ritoky afk for like 50 hours, come back, no reads, not read anything, the only reason it's not some huge "I'm mafia pls lynch" is that it's completely honest and I can't imagine the mafia team that sits back and lets that happen? Despite the fact you're throwing dirt at me I don't think your mafia either. Just no clear direction. I've got a busy schedule that I don't like to use as an excuse for absence. What else makes me mafia? Looked kind of out of place knowing ritoky is likely town | ||
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On August 19 2017 18:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fucking fuck i am gonna quote something Me too | ||
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On August 19 2017 18:51 CopCake wrote: Ok, if you are town you are going to listen to me. - Cake thinks Ritoki is mafia because he is mad for the clock thing - Cake then says She would lynch Ritoki - Ritoki confronts her - Cake Thinks Ritoki is mafia but her top mafia read is Ritoki, I said he lied. - Ritoki brings the post of "If i would lynch someone I would lynch Ritoki" How is that hard to understand? If Ritoki could understand why cant you? You scum read ritoky for the clock thing but then in your filter reading of him you say he's town because of his emotions and the clock thing. Why has it changed? | ||
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On August 19 2017 11:32 CopCake wrote: Short Summary: Ritoki is a strange player. Since the beginning of the game he has had several phases from anger from a small thing (For getting a clock as his character) to being extremely emotional and sad, to hippie love and peace to not caring. When you have passion and have so several mood changes is because you are interested in the game (MY OPINION) So let's start this Journey of RITOKI. The bolded parts are the ones I find Scummy + Show Spoiler + 1.- His first interaction was with Koshi for being a Judge. 2.- He then interacts with Jealous (Suspicious) + Show Spoiler + On August 14 2017 06:49 ritoky wrote: normally i like people who tell other people to go fuck themselves in the face of pressure and find it to be a town trait. but jealous consciously took the time to write his name in green on his shirt. i feel like taking the time to consciously communicate your alignment color via color in a drawing wouldn't be at the forefront of the mind of a townie. so he is whatever mafia is called this game. 3.- His next interaction is Ritoki vs Cake for the clock thing 4.- He then fights with TW for the NAI Cake read of Rayn. 5.- He went off topic with the Madoka thing. 6.- He started to put excuses for being absent and saying he is extremely busy. 7.- He makes this posts that I don't find bad. + Show Spoiler + On August 14 2017 15:50 ritoky wrote: idk who jealous is so i have no context on that. tw is being a demolitionist so far, not a builder. wow it's great that you shit on other people's reads, but you have no alternatives or don't try to get the ball really rolling. so if that is what "off" means to you, that is what tumblewood is to me. if he magically flipped mafia i wouldn't be surprised. the clock thing was partly joking, but partly actually being hurt. i feel like i got everyone else's on some level or they were clever or cute....and i am a fucking clock with a misspelled name....dunno, was just sad Ok, here he finds TW to be super scummy, understandable because I did too and admits he doesn't know jealous. 8.- OK IS RITOKI A DOCTOR? if so that would explain his lack of participation. 9.- Ritoki is firm that Geript is town and TW is mafia. 10.- WE HAVE A DAMDRED JEWEL HERE. (It doesn't point out to Ritoki, it points out to Geript) + Show Spoiler + 11.- He continues to town read Geript and Hopeless. 12.- These posts feels town + Show Spoiler + On August 15 2017 10:27 ritoky wrote: i feel literal nothing about way too many people in this game. maybe it is because i am not directly empowered to lynch, maybe it was because i was nagged into playing and i am not mentally invested....dunno. i just haven't read very much of anything compelling in the thread. and i realize i have done basically nothing to make a substantial difference either, but it is all pretty bleh. On August 15 2017 10:34 ritoky wrote: i think geript is town for angle shooting, i think hopeless is town for being a ball buster and that's pretty much it. i wouldn't be surprised if TW is mafia for how he came out of the blocks tearing ppl's opinions down and not trying to build anything up but i am not sold on that. the whole shit surrounding rayn is a pile of nothing to me. ff's read on hopeless is lazy, nitpicky, and a stretch. i don't understand basically anything copcake types and it seems like she is in a different reality. and there's a guy in the thread who the judges think is town drawing pictures and self-proclaiming dunce which is offputting to me but he is funny which tends to be town indicative. damdred is just floating through like a whispy cloud who doesn't wanna be tied down to reads. it is all just so fucking meh. none of it has me excited. I dislike his read on Hopeless but everything else seems town. + Show Spoiler + On August 15 2017 11:07 ritoky wrote: copcake - scum lean for inconsistency, her tw read (if i even understand it right) being sheeped from hf who partially sheeped it from me but i am scum, and her obsession with the clock aka omgus hf - nothing yet. town hf lynches mafia and dies/eats shots, town mafia pushes forward his agenda consistently, town hf doesn't give much shits about outside opinions so long as things head his direction. mafia hf aggressively pockets players, lynches townies and stays alive, and has sudden shifts in his agenda post-nks to suit his new agenda (or sometimes he does this super cool slight pivot thing that i wish i was capable of). he hasn't had the opportunity to blossom yet. jealous - ???? he's funny, but proclaims self dunce which makes it feel like an act and since his geript boner died he has felt pretty preipheral, pretty hard meh. so basically i reject your categories. Here he finds Jealous as super mafia and thinks his drawings are just an act. On August 16 2017 04:06 ritoky wrote: rayn seems kinda town to me. i don't know why people are defending jealous' "reads posts". the last picture one was kinda something but the other 2 are just thread/post summary pure and simple. they don't actually have any original thought. still no clue what that makes him, but defending him like he is town jesus over that is lul. More against Jealous, I am honestly feeling this guy is town. 13.- Here starts Ritoki vs Holyflare because Ritoki defends Rayn. 14.- This is a very honest post after learning Ritoki is a doctor, God Bless you Ritoki ;__; + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2017 05:06 ritoky wrote: being serious here after coming off of a rough fucking day the other day, but i hope you get the time over the course of the next day or so to do something you love or to eat one of your favorite foods or some random stranger is kind to you. some times we can't pick ourselves up and need something else to do it for us. i hope you get that to make the world less shitty for you. 15.- This is honest, he always had Jealous as mafia and decided that HF was kinda assholish for the rayn thing. + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2017 05:23 ritoky wrote: voted copcake. just don't trust hf or jealous......somehow i trust copcake more.....it was a bad selection by the judges 16.- THIS IS A VERY STRANGE POST, he always found TW to be mafiosi but suddenly he doesn't cooperate when TW is getting heat + Show Spoiler + On August 18 2017 04:10 ritoky wrote: yeah! fuck you tumblewood! dunno what we're on about, but every1 is doing it! 17.- Suddenly he forgets that TW and Jealous are his top Mafia. Is ironic because I forgot I wanted to lynch him but the Damdred thing came out of nowhere. Specially when his only interaction with Damdred is that the trust is broken because Damdred doesn't trust Geript. This is post #1881 page 95 + Show Spoiler + On August 18 2017 04:24 ritoky wrote: i'd lynch damdred. 18.- He then defends TW from Geript because of Geript case. 19.- Ritoki firms in that Damdred is mafia, I don't blame him, I believed that too, HARD. 20.- Firm with Jealous On August 18 2017 07:48 ritoky wrote: jealous is never mafia with conversion btw. big contributions by me. CONCLUSION AFTER READING THE FILTER: RITOKI IS TOWN.[ | ||
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On August 19 2017 18:59 CopCake wrote: Also @HF open the spoiler tags I put what I think of Ritoki in each post he made. Yeh none of what you quoted makes anyone an alignment. Having the same reads all game and being emotional instead would make me think someone is mafia rather than town (which is why I checked him). Why is it towny to never update a read? | ||
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On August 19 2017 19:14 CopCake wrote: But he always had geript as town and TW as mafia but when TW was getting heated he deffended TW from geript? He questioned everything, his filter is pretty neutral and ever favored anyone. No he didn't. The quote you showed isn't a defence at all. | ||
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Ritoky states geript is likely town for trying to bend the rules. Copcake says you can bend the rules as mafia. Ritoky says he always uses shit metrics to read people. Criticises that Copcake's top scum read is himself because he didn't like the fact that he was a clock. Copcake responds aggressively saying Ritoky is wrong, damdred is her top scum read. Now that Ritoky said the above he is her new top scum read. Ritoky shares a quote where Cake says she wants to lynch ritoky above damdred previously. Cake says she forgot her read. | ||
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On August 19 2017 19:50 Jealous wrote: I tried doing stuff. I really did. Now I don't even have the means to do that so I'm not gonna bust my balls during my vacation catering to judges who make dumb picks 90% of the time and players who look at my scum case and say "eh don't feel like readinf, despite the fact that you have numbered and spoilered direct quotes it's too messy for me," meanwhile rarely putting in a comparable effort. The only player whose play is palatable here is geript so instead of raising myself to her level I'm just going to sink to yours for a few days because y'all beat all the ambition out of me. I quite clearly read your case and I summarised it and you didn't respond. I simply don't think what you say makes him mafia. | ||
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On August 19 2017 17:22 Holyflare wrote: Ok I properly read it now and I still don't particularly get it. Conversion is scum for saying hopeless hasn't really posted reads when he "has" and also because he gave rayn time but not you. Is that basically it? | ||
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Why does the fact he gave rayn time but not you make him mafia? Why does him saying hopeless isn't elaborating on reads when he has a little make him mafia? | ||
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On August 19 2017 20:09 Jealous wrote: I'm done beating that horse, I already said everything twice K you can be in the mafia pile then | ||
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On August 19 2017 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk what this is but iam talking about much simple thing. This is literally what happened in this game and what you are talking about. This is how the whole "copcake forgot her read started". Now what about it are you saying that makes copcake mafia? | ||
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On August 19 2017 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am saying Cake said "ritoky is my top scum". Then said "Damdred was my top scum but now you are (ritoky)". And when asked her answer was that she forgot... Mmmmm.. Your thing has nothing to do with this as far as i can tell, and i don't think that makes her mafia. Um what on earth are you talking about. That's exactly what is written in my post?? So if that's not what makes her mafia tnen what is? | ||
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1. Copcake says she'd lynch ritoky. 2. Ritoky says he does weird reads and points out cop reads him scummy for a weird read. 3. Cop says that's a lie her top scum read is damdred. Now ritoky is mafia for lying. 4. Ritoky points out step 1. 5. Copcake says "oh yeh i forgot". So why does this make her mafia though? | ||
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On August 19 2017 23:37 Eversince wrote: Scenario CC is mafia -> derail thread that draws ENTIRE GAME OF IRE down on her. Ehy???? Ritz single redeeming factor is that 'I did this, It makes me mafia, I dun give a single fuck' <- Mafia never does this I think Jealous/Conv argument is dumb/ pointless. I think they both are town right now so *shrugs* 5 Kids, use to pointless arguments. "STOP THIS RIGHT NOW YOU NINCOMPOOPS". Lynch Rels, Point in case: Rels thinks what about this game? (Answers self oh right nothing.) I mean this guy doesn't even read the thread to figure out there's a green check | ||
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On August 19 2017 23:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: i mean, this shit i have read, this shit i know about and that's not how it happened. It's literally in the quote chain you linked???? | ||
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On August 15 2017 05:15 CopCake wrote: You weren't my top mafia read but now you are for lying. I said Damred was the mafia more likely. | ||
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On August 15 2017 05:41 CopCake wrote: Ok I made that mistake and I dont remember all, I am at work and hence my lack of drawings (in before you are yabadadabaduing making excuses) but my last memory was Damdred being mafia, I mean he has even been avoiding me for idk what reason. | ||
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In her brain she's thinking she scum reads damdred currently. Ritoky says "oh your top scum read is me for being angry about being a clock" She says to ritoky that he's lying because her top scum read is damdred! (in her mind) Ritoky points out a quote where she says ritoky is. Copcake says she forgot that ritoky was her scum read Why does it make her mafia? | ||
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He also just rolled mafia so it's even more likely this behaviour is exacerbated. Did he try and figure anything out? No. Ff, none of the reasons to lynch him were "he was afk". In fact the majority of people thought it was three town lynches. Damdred wasn't even up for lynch and people were turning around on him too. That's a pathetic excuse to not read him an alignment. | ||
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On August 20 2017 00:44 CopCake wrote: - Hey guys I spent my whole day drawing - Suddenly I am on exam - Suddenly Airport - About no internet lol aboarding plane - Still airport post a pic - Limited internet lol Voting jelaous Like if a pic is enough to prove he is not lying about airports On August 20 2017 00:50 CopCake wrote: I voted Jealous, not like my vote can change something, you can lynch me next if you want to but I gotta stick with what I believe instead of a theory of "He has been absent" that happened to FF and Damdred, not making that mistake again. Isn't this reason for voting jealous just he's afk??? | ||
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On August 20 2017 02:10 Rels wrote: Example: my 3rd last game played. The one rayn btdt tw bh and someone else were scum. Yes you didn't play and then pressure came a bit and the reads you gave made you quite obviously town to me | ||
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Geript thinks he's mafia because of the reasons I think he's mafia but rels knows geript has no respect for his town play so he shouldn't be able to call him mafia if this is what geript expects. Except rels has done actually scummy things so it's perfectly valid for geript to think what he does. | ||
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On August 20 2017 01:48 Rels wrote: Ritoky made a good analysis on me and jealous with me being a coinflip. Then he was greenchecked. Him calling me a coinflip should be obvious to every person knowing me. But for some reason he's one of the only one to do it except for copcake. Hf doing it is not a problem since he always exaggerates his read to pressure people. You calling me confirmed scum is bad though. But I can't believe you re scum and did the posts. Geript did it too though and that means he's very likely scum. The dude has no respect for my town game, see his comment last game before he died, then in the qt. Him saying stuff like m play makes me scum this game is not believable. This right here COMPLETELY invalidates any subsequent thoughts on geript. If town rayn can do it then why on earth can't a town geript? | ||
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On August 17 2017 04:53 Rels wrote: more than that, he wouldn't ever use things like that to become confirmed. He quit a game at LYLO once because he thought I cheated to get town confirmed. On August 20 2017 01:48 Rels wrote: Ritoky made a good analysis on me and jealous with me being a coinflip. Then he was greenchecked. Him calling me a coinflip should be obvious to every person knowing me. But for some reason he's one of the only one to do it except for copcake. Hf doing it is not a problem since he always exaggerates his read to pressure people. You calling me confirmed scum is bad though. But I can't believe you re scum and did the posts. Geript did it too though and that means he's very likely scum. The dude has no respect for my town game, see his comment last game before he died, then in the qt. Him saying stuff like m play makes me scum this game is not believable. On August 20 2017 05:10 Rels wrote: Cant answer. Cause I dunno how that happens each exacly. Will see when I read the game Read top nested quotes. Responds directly to me defending rayn. Now he purports he doesn't exactly know what happened? Bull shit. | ||
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On August 20 2017 02:23 Holyflare wrote: No I'm not letting him talk. I already see you posturing to change votes off of him and I'm not allowing it. Lynching anyone other than rels is a direct scum claim. This is so fucking bull shit. I called it before rayn even did it. It was so fucking plain as day. Rels didn't even get to reply to rayn's question and he's already gagging to switch to jealous. Rayn has to be mafia here. It looks so unnatural. | ||
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On August 20 2017 05:17 Rels wrote: Back just in time I see ? You're bsing. Just because I've read afew posts of yours doesn't mean I know exactly how that happens. You're creating a narrative that proves nothing No that's quite honestly bull shit. Early on your filter when you conveniently came back at one of the deadlines you linked 3 rayn posts and called him town. Posts I already called him mod confirmed town for. Then you somehow return later WHEN I'M EXPLAINING IT and QUOTE ME and know I'm directly referencing rayn being mod confirmed. It's literally in the quote i just linked. Then you have people saying I hard defended rayn. Now suddenly you have no clue what I'm talking about? Uh huh. Definitely proven untrue. | ||
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On August 20 2017 05:22 Tumblewood wrote: why aren't you dead if you have already solved the game, you always die n1, and mafia have a roleblock? ????? Mafia don't have a roleblock and I won the contest. Are you mad? | ||
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I've thrown that he cheated this game in his face about five times and he hasn't acknowledged it once. I fully expect a town rayn to at least apologise or actually accept he didn't. His rels posts now, his continuous redundant questioning and his day 1 make me question it so hard. Then there's a damdred kill. Damdred dying just means one of the "top" townies are mafia and can't be killed. I know it means that. | ||
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On August 20 2017 05:25 CopCake wrote: How can you prove Mafia doesn't have a role block if town doesn't have actions? Have people been hit with a fucking retard stick?? Read the mechanics of the game? We've discussed it like eight times. | ||
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On August 20 2017 05:22 Holyflare wrote: No that's quite honestly bull shit. Early on your filter when you conveniently came back at one of the deadlines you linked 3 rayn posts and called him town. Posts I already called him mod confirmed town for. Then you somehow return later WHEN I'M EXPLAINING IT and QUOTE ME and know I'm directly referencing rayn being mod confirmed. It's literally in the quote i just linked. Then you have people saying I hard defended rayn. Now suddenly you have no clue what I'm talking about? Uh huh. Definitely proven untrue. | ||
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Copcake is all vote jealous all day but votes rels and when I say rayn is posturing to switch to jealous and it's fucking obvious and not to do it she says she'll vote rels if he does and votes jealous. Ritoky's vote I don't even. I don't want to believe my green check anymore. Says no reason not to vote rels. Guy who cop checked him is on rels and he hates rayn's switch but votes jealous anyway. Geript piggybacking off me and not really said much all day?? Hopeless I'm just gonna call him town. Conversion fights jealous all day but ends on rels too?? This whole game is full of sketchy as fuck people who don't give a shit. | ||
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On August 20 2017 05:37 CopCake wrote: Or you are just wrong and don't want to admit it. Did you have a reason to not vote rels? I sure as shit didn't hear you piping up about anything. | ||
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On August 20 2017 05:40 Hopeless1der wrote: That doesnt make sense. Free wagon to hide a vote, and mafia WONT take it? So you think jealous is mafia? | ||
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On August 20 2017 02:26 CopCake wrote: Rels has the pressure, if Rayn changes his vote I am gonna vote Rels, I want to know Rels reads | ||
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How could he change his vote if he wasn't voting anyone?? I made a post saying "rayn is so blatantly posturing to vote jealous and it's bull shit." You reply: "if rayn changes his vote I'll vote rels" ??? | ||
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On August 20 2017 05:49 CopCake wrote: Because you assumed that Rayn would vote for Rels, and I believed he would do that? You are the one who assumed things, not me. ? Dmwjskwmdmdd What the fuck are you smoking? Rayn is posturing to switch to jealous. Because you said rayn would vote rels???? What?? | ||
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On August 20 2017 05:52 CopCake wrote: No, you posted first that if rayn changed to Jealous you would be mad at him. I said "If Rayn changed to Jealous I will vote Rels, I wanted Rels to feel the pressure of getting lynched to get answers. ?????? So why did you just say the opposite thing? Jesus christ. | ||
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On August 20 2017 05:52 CopCake wrote: No, you posted first that if rayn changed to Jealous you would be mad at him. I said "If Rayn changed to Jealous I will vote Rels, I wanted Rels to feel the pressure of getting lynched to get answers. Because you assumed that Rayn would vote for Rels, and I believed he would do that? I don't even know why I'm wasting my time with this. I want to go home so I can use my last 24 hours to actually kill some mafia. | ||
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On August 20 2017 05:54 ritoky wrote: hmmmm....considering the world where both were town and rayn fights for the opposite lynch knowing it ain't happening My world. Then they just bait rels for the next day or hope i rage out and shoot him. | ||
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On August 20 2017 05:59 ritoky wrote: jealous consolidated onto hf for the positive power day 1 right? Yes it was that he didn't want copcake to get it so he gave it to me. I thought it was really towny at the time. | ||
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On August 20 2017 05:58 CopCake wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=124#2471 Just check who said first and assumed Rayn voted Rels Who did it first? Me or HF? You are looking at the wrong direction, I don't care if you "pressure" me, I don't care if you call me scum many times, God Bless filters and that I started to play better, you are just terrible, full of vanity and lose to me all town cred of being a good "scum hunter" and not just for the rels thing but your bad way of reading me when I am town. The literal post you look to says "rayn is going to vote jealous". | ||
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On August 20 2017 06:00 ritoky wrote: so they are always the same alignment right? i guess there's a case for a town jealous and a mafia hf, but more often then not they're the same alignment. It's unlikely mafia give me a power, yes. | ||
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On August 20 2017 06:02 CopCake wrote: You posted this I posted that if Rayn changes (Assuming he would listen to you) I would change back to Rels to put pressure on him. How hard is that to understand? Someone that is not reals could you please check this? I am getting frustrated. And rayn voted jealous and you didn't vote rels Yes My point exactly. | ||
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On August 20 2017 06:06 ritoky wrote: so is it as simple as jealous flips red -> hf mafia, jealous flips green -> rayn mafia? i might be simplifying too much. No because I'm always town. In every scenario. I don't just randomly green check you in a lynch pool for shits and giggles to narrow it down to my partner and a random. | ||
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On August 20 2017 06:06 CopCake wrote: Insult me all you want, I don't care, I am not one who said "Rels is super mafia if you don't vote him you are claiming mafia" I am not scared of you. I have nothing against you. It's just clear that everything I write you either don't understand the phrasing or you do and then reply and I don't understand your phrasing. It's infuriating to even bother deciphering. So I'd rather just not have the hassle in future. | ||
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A) people that's didn't give a shit about either wagon B) people intentionally driving confusion People that didn't particularly care: geript/eversince People spreading confusion: tumblewood/rayn/conversion Conversion is an odd fellow. If you read today you'd see a shit fest between himseld and jealous and just outright calling him mafia but he ends up on rels and doesn't say much more about anything after that. If they're both town then that's the ideal strat. Leaves both wagons open. Rayn confusion 101 in that he had 0 reason to not vote rels. He was setting up to switch off rels before rels even posted. I even prophesied that he was going to vote jealous and he did. His whole interaction with myself/rels is so bogus. Tumblewood just posted nonsense about mechanics and questioning why I'm not dead and other drivel? Dude doesn't give a shit about this game but still pretends to be invested. | ||
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On August 20 2017 06:47 ritoky wrote: half of Eversince's filter before damdred dies is talking directly to damdred.....dunno what to make of that. His reaction when I made a list of people that would kill damdred was really odd. | ||
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On August 20 2017 07:15 Holyflare wrote: http://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=122 Read this page onwards a bit till rayn switches and tell me that all looks natural to you. Rels doesn't even give a read? | ||
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On August 20 2017 07:15 CopCake wrote: He never switched, he waited for rels to answer and at the end voted Jealous. All day rayn has been saying rels is mafia and he hadn't even voted. He has switched in his speech. Who cares about his vote. | ||
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On August 17 2017 22:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: This dude is scum though. Gives reasons why FF / hopeless are mafia -> says they are town. Magic read disappeared with not really any in between. Where was his vote all day? On nobody. | ||
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On August 20 2017 07:42 CopCake wrote: I am not gonna listen to you HF nor think your reads are FANTASTIC, just look at this: raynpelikoneet (2): Conversion, Jealous, raynpelikoneet, Tumblewood, Hopeless1der Fecalfeast (5): geript, Holyflare, Conversion, Eversince, Hopeless1der Hopeless1der (5): Fecalfeast, Damdred, CopCake, Rels, Tumblewood Not Voting (1): ritoky now your vote was again on another town. ARE YOUR READS GOOD? I never said Fecalfeast was mafia though? Who else was I supposed to vote? | ||
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On August 20 2017 08:04 CopCake wrote: Ofc you can pick who to lynch!!! Like you can say ask the judges, present a case and they will put them on the top 3 scum pile. Just the way I did with Jealous. But apparently you don't bother to put reads in order and ask them to put them on lynch pile. Says something about making a list and presenting the case to the judges so that they put them on a lynch list. Hf replies he tried and they ignored it. Copcake says irrelevant nonsense about being picked for top 3 by judges. This is why I don't want to talk to you. | ||
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On August 20 2017 05:50 Hopeless1der wrote: Stupid posting to wrong thread.... Green is assumed town red is assumed scum bold is suspected scum unbolded is suspected town You think copcake and rayn are mafia together? | ||
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On August 20 2017 14:02 CopCake wrote: Clear town never lynch: Cake, Ritoki, TW, Ever Probably town: Geript The rest are scum, I need to clear my head. Conclusion: Confused by Ever. Ok | ||
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On August 20 2017 15:40 geript wrote: Plus, there's Rayn's read on you which I don't think is new exactly, but it's the first Town!rayn read I've seen. But I also really liked ritoky's read on you today. I don't think you/HF/ritoky is a reasonable scum team. But I don't really like HF including ritoky in his could kill Damdred list. Like I hate when HF claimed the check and I hate that it feels like HF has gotten in more shit fights this game. I hate it more that when I go through HF's filter I still understand where he's coming from and still like who he's pushing and why. Maybe I'm too deep in on it, but I still just think he's Town. Out of pure frustration really. I put him back as town afterwards. | ||
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Now it's Copcake's forgetting stuff which was already talked about. Then it's rels is town before rels has even posted. Tumblewood at one point was mafia but that read disappeared. No doubt I'm confirmed mafia when he returns. I took cop tonight rather than medic because I'd rather die and if mafia are arrogant enough to leave me alive thinking I'm a valid mislynch then I'm just going to keep confirming people as mafia. | ||
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Rit can get moved into slight mafia bracket too. Missing the vote is not un-heard of but since the only vivid thing I can remember is way early in the game being mad about being a clock. If Ritz is trying to blend into the background and be ignored, doing especially well. But why would mafia Ritoky afk for like 50 hours, come back, no reads, not read anything, the only reason it's not some huge "I'm mafia pls lynch" is that it's completely honest and I can't imagine the mafia team that sits back and lets that happen? I like Conv & Jealousy way more than I like Rels/Ritz for a long time. I admit openly that I need to re-read both filters (I say both because ecuses lack for Rels not to have one by now, and Rit doesn't have per 1/3 D1) I'll get to that tonight. | ||
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With Eversince it's "oh he's definitely town and this scummy read isn't scummy because he just has to weigh up between the three people up for lynch!" And with me its that I don't want to lynch into any of hopeless/rayn/ff since I didn't think any of them are mafia but you don't present this argument in any way shape or form for me. In fact you're using that I was on fecalfeast as a reason why my reads are bad when I didn't even want to lynch him. Take a look in the mirror copcake. All last night I was trying to formulate some sort of post lynch analysis and at every point you have spouted useless tripe at me in order to distract me. Nothing you says makes the slightest bit of sense. Even now when geript is trying to formulate some kind of read structure and I chime in then you appear with some kind of snide remark about how awful I've been again. I'm half tempted to go on a crusade against you and quote all of your also wrong reads this game but I won't. I just want to figure things out. | ||
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Copcake: HAHA SEE JUDGES KNOW U NOT TOWN. YOUR MAFIA STRAT JUST TO NO KILL AND CLAIM VEST. U SPOKE RUSSIAN SO CAN DO ANYTHING RAWRRRRRR! | ||
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On August 21 2017 05:44 Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler + Copcake: HAHA SEE JUDGES KNOW U NOT TOWN. YOUR MAFIA STRAT JUST TO NO KILL AND CLAIM VEST. U SPOKE RUSSIAN SO CAN DO ANYTHING RAWRRRRRR! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | ||
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On August 21 2017 06:21 ritoky wrote: what boat are you on? that HF is mafia and held his shot? this one: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WeFRNQH.png) | ||
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On August 21 2017 06:33 CopCake wrote: I am just pointing out how you are not 100% cleared. You could be doing "THE BIG PLAYS" every other post she writes is that I'm mafia so I don't even understand anymore | ||
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A) I'd nk someone??? B) the judges could just put me in the bottom three if I'm lying. I am confirming to EVERYONE that I do not have a gun. Now stop this bull shit. I'm like the towniest fucker there is. | ||
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No, I didn't. How can I win a vest when I'm not up for nominations? I asked you WHY I was mafia and you couldn't even respond. | ||
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On August 21 2017 06:30 Holyflare wrote: copcake what exactly IS your reasoning that: A) I'm a bad town leader and B) That I'm mafia? I don't think I've heard a single piece of evidence from you as to why I'm mafia at all in the slightest? Just discrediting at every single opportunity you get Respond to this please. | ||
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On August 21 2017 23:33 CopCake wrote: I am tired of answering the same thing over and over. Quote me your answer then please. | ||
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I think your reads don't actually exist. You've repeatedly been asked to provide evidence as to why I'm mafia but have failed on several occasions. Your logic that you used before is a double standard that you didn't apply to eversince. You have used me being on fecalfeast as evidence to why I am mafia and a bad town leader but not once delved into my motivation or even asked me why I was on him. Nor have you stated that I didn't want to lynch any of them. You're simply not interested in discovering whether I am mafia or not or questioning my thought processes. You flipped out on me after rels was lynched but rels was a perfectly fine lynch. Nothing he said actually said anything at all and if I had the chance again I'd lynch him all over again. I am just going to say it, I think you're mafia. | ||
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On August 22 2017 00:38 Tumblewood wrote: i haven't given percent chances to my reads lists before, but why does that make me scum? i think it's a more granular way of explaining my confidence on every read, and eliminates confusion — like, completely hypothetically, when my 33% read is in my lynch pool and everyone yells at me for an entire day. Because whenever I see you make a read it's based off dumb crap but it's resolute and you don't waiver on it. This uncertainty bugs me a lot. | ||
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On August 22 2017 00:44 Tumblewood wrote: i haven't at any point acted too certain about my scumreads. except at eod2 when i really was that confident on you, and said so. and even if you don't understand them, i think my townreads are very good, and that is reflected too. I mean that's my point. I'm used to you, as town, just making bold statements declaring someone an alignment. Here it's naybes and ifs ans buts. | ||
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On August 22 2017 00:41 CopCake wrote: Your obsesion for trying to clear yourself, lying for the rayn mod cleared, overall town not winning atm. I had you in a high spot as a scumhunter. I'm not trying to clear myself, I'm trying to get reads off of other people since I'm correct and they're wrong. When on earth did I lie about rayn being mod confirmed? I genuinely believed it at the time. Town not winning? No shit. We've had 1 cycle of all likely town people that nobody wanted and another that could ALSO be all town. None of those lynches are what I wanted as a primary lynch and this is why the game is shit. I would have lynched tw day one because that clears up at least two people's alignments (yours and rayn's). I would have used that info to determine the rest of the town's motives because then hopeless wouldn't be able to fall back on that being his only read, geript too. But no, we're stuck here in this shitty endless loop where the actual lynch people wanted hasn't been up for two cycles. I don't work on imperfect information. My skill as a town player is working on lynch information and nks that we just don't have. (nks suggest mafia team that doesn't know me). None of these are actually reasons to scum read anybody, let alone only be "15% wrong". I think this read is extremely fabricated. | ||
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On August 22 2017 02:43 geript wrote: So if TW is scum, I'm Town? And vice Versa? i really don't get why you're even trying to push that TW is my only read. It's probably not but it's all anyone is really pushing so it's all I remember. | ||
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On August 22 2017 02:46 geript wrote: And the truth comes out... you really just want me to die so things are clear. No i just want tw to be killed. | ||
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On August 22 2017 02:47 geript wrote: Like, you get bitchy about people making that same argument against you. If you want to bitch, the read my filter. If I'm scum, it's obvious. I already said you're towny? Don't see the problem. Also those arguments are different because damdred died and I got shot this game. Which is bizarre land. | ||
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On August 22 2017 03:43 Tumblewood wrote: pls i think you qualify for mafia mvp when you push cases that people don't look suspicious sheeping onto two townies, all game. and if i recall, that was not your approach to the rels lynch at all. What cases have I pushed onto two townies? | ||
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On August 22 2017 03:50 geript wrote: Oh and the real kicker is that even if I get a save or a vest to prevent a shot, then I'm scum who obviously held a shot. Paranoia is too real. Nah man just that you're capable while conversion isn't really. Dude seems really open right now and i like his flow. | ||
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On August 22 2017 03:51 CopCake wrote: Honest talk Reasons to push TW: Omg he just pretented to read filter in 3 minutes When someone like conversion also skimed not knowing there was a no death at night. Skiming? Like reading super fast and just glance happens specially when you work. Those aren't the only reasons. I made a whole case on him before based on his rayn read but I've forgotten what it was. | ||
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On August 22 2017 03:55 Conversion wrote: I think you all should vote for me so I can doctor HF instead of leaving it to coinflip (geript) or someone who thinks HF dying is good for town (Copcake) vote conversion for solar eclipse president I endorse this campaign. | ||
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On August 22 2017 03:56 CopCake wrote: So me, tw, disfo and jelaous are mafia for being extremely dumb. Nice to know. Everybody remember this words of HF. I mean your posts speak for themselves. | ||
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On August 22 2017 04:33 ritoky wrote: the other case i know of is the secret double shot for the win, but math shows that only leads to LYLO And judges put me up for lynch. Once again. I'm claiming I have no gun. If judges see me lying put me up for lynch. | ||
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On August 22 2017 04:43 geript wrote: Lol... I have a Gun!!!!! Just no bullets What? | ||
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On August 22 2017 04:43 CopCake wrote: This will also clear TW ?????? Clear him how | ||
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What other reasons did he state? | ||
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On August 16 2017 04:59 Jealous wrote: Thanks! My biggest question was why you read him as town for the same frame if posts that I scumlean on him and why you would disagree with my impression on his posts. You can see my read in my filter. As far as HF/CC and the vote cycle (it's still going right? Still on mobile so I haven't checked), I can understand people both believing in and being wary of HF because that's where I'm at, but CopCake makes very little sense sometimes and has contributed even less so I am puzzled as to why anyone would vote for her at all. Vote analysis in a cycle or two should be interesting. | ||
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On August 22 2017 05:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Day Three Foundation Challenge Contestants' pick The people have spoken, and they have decided Geript made the best masterpiece of the first challenge. He will now have until the end of the phase to choose the item of his choice. Day One Elimination Challenge Judges' picks ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BSmpsJ8.jpg) You can choose to eliminate any of the following challengers: -Raynpelikoneet -geript -Disformation You have to vote off your least favourite contestant. You can do so in the voting thread here: <link> Are you fucking for real. You take me out of top town spot for berating rayn from switching to jealous for no reason to put rayn in the scum spot? | ||
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Nothing rayn has pushed this game has made the slightest bit of sense. Even this jealous push. His switch off rels was bull shit. He had decided to switch off rels before rels had even posted. You can see it in the fact that I called it out before it happened. Remember when he called copcake mafia? And hf mafia? And hopeless mafia? And jealous mafia? And rels and tw definitely mafia? In fact he said rels and tw were confirmed mafia at some point. Remember when he called everyone in this game mafia and promptly forgot about it without any new information making his read update? I remember. | ||
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On August 22 2017 05:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: (1) "i think i am best suitable to get the powerup" (because there is at least a chance the other two are mafia -- basic logic) (2) I tried shenanigans when i realized the vote is 4-4-4 (this must be a lie because it doesn't fit the voting thread timeline, and completely different from what he actually did during D1) (3) "I don't mind if Holyflare gets the power up, as long as Cake doesn't" (does this go along with what he said before? no it doesn't. does this go along with #1? no it doesn't. does this go along that his vote switch means something? no it doesn't.) If this is the truth why didn't he say it in the first place? Not on D1, and not earlier. When someone points out inconsistancies in his story, the whole story changes. "]I admit I made a mistake". I don't believe that. If a townie makes a mistake he doesn't argue with some completely different reasons for pages, and call the other part of the argument sarcasitaclly stupid. Townies want to be as clear as possible. I think he just made up a story. Got called out, made up another story (this is when i questioned him in "why would you do that as town then if you think HF and Cake have a chance to be mafia). Got called out again, and changed the other story again. That's it, i can't find any other explanation. This is a completely bull shit narrative. Jealous originally says he's the best because he knows his alignment, that's fine. At deadline tw made a copcake town case, Ritoky had just returned and voted copcake, you voted copcake. It looked like bull shit was going to happen. Jealous does the smart thing and realises copcake is a bad vote and hf has pushed smart things and he votes me. It's easy to remember in your mind that votes were close and if someone says 4-4-4 you remember it's close then I imagine it's really easy to assume they did basic fact checking to come up with that. It's an easy mistake to make. | ||
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On August 22 2017 05:45 CopCake wrote: What if mafia shots someone else? Boom more confusion and more paranoia. Then that's perfect because who the hell else are they going to shoot? It's like a free cop check on another person. | ||
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On August 22 2017 05:46 Holyflare wrote: I also want to look into rayn's vote on me. He keeps saying it's easy to buddy up to me and vote me for town cred for the vest but his actions around the deadline stink the most of that. His actions st the first power up. | ||
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Geript dies, he's town. I die, geript mafia. Random dies, geript very likely mafia but even if he's not then some random dies and there are a lot of people who we don't know the alignment of so it's great all around. | ||
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On August 22 2017 05:47 Holyflare wrote: I'm not the only one reading rayn's jealous push as shit right? Talk to me guys. | ||
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On August 22 2017 05:51 CopCake wrote: Do you read yourself? If a town Geript doc you and mafia decided to shot someone else it doesnt make Geript mafia WTF Why would mafia leave a town geript with a power up alive? Everyone majority voted geript into a power up. He's clearly the most town read person in the game. Why would mafia not take a free opportunity to shoot him? | ||
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On August 22 2017 05:52 Tumblewood wrote: this doesn't sound like a cop check to me. the first two parts are true but unlikely, and i'm not sure a rando dying is helpful. i mean, if they have to they can just kill copcake and we learn next to nothing. Like I said. This is the best plan. | ||
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I think it's still towny. | ||
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On August 22 2017 05:55 CopCake wrote: ... Seriously? The power up works only once during the phase... You dont collect those... Mafia keep geript alive to create more confusion... Agh. And then we get a cop check on a random person flipping. Thanks for confirming my plan is good. | ||
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On August 22 2017 06:06 geript wrote: Hmmmmm. Idk, why would mafia leave town geript alive... Yup no reason whatsoever shush you're ruining the plan you're definitely taking medic and saving me 100% | ||
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On August 22 2017 06:07 Conversion wrote: there was something geript mentioned earlier in which the judges should vote 2 townie people and 1 scum in the power up pool, then put up the scum in the lynch pool + 2 others artanis said that can't happen or something, then like 24h earlier clarified it could happen so he is getting bamboozled by his own strategy nah rules never changed judges simply can't game the system, they CAN put their scum reads in scum pool even if it was previously a town read | ||
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judges give me the gun and I shoot geript and he just vests right? | ||
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ezpz lemon squeezy we kill rayn and then I make sick plays on geript and we win all day errday | ||
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Geript must promise to take vest. Anything else that he claims is a direct scum claim. | ||
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On August 22 2017 09:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: wow geript claimed scum it's geript/holyflare/ritoky Yeh that absolutely makes sense after what just happened....... Kill rayn | ||
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Dude is mafia. | ||
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Give Holyflare gun for being the best. | ||
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On August 22 2017 18:39 LightningStrike wrote: Lmao the entire scum team was picked for elimination. Well played judges :D Also HF how was rayn modconfirmed town? I didn't see much on how he was o.o He was basically confirmed mafia and then he did some bull shit talking about mod actions and how they wouldn't let him leave and he was so angry just because I called him the correct alignment. It was extremely bull shit. You shouldn't ever be allowed to talk about whether you've tried to be replaced out and denied. | ||
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On August 22 2017 18:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think it's extremely bullshit that i wasn't allowed to replace, the only reason i kept playing is because i think geript deserved it. I mean i was literally very very close to say some quite harsh words. I'm sorry what? You got called out with a very good case and it made you angry? Like it's so bull shit that I dropped every scum read on you because it's so underhanded. Otherwise you'd be the lynch 10/10 times. | ||
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On August 22 2017 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: You and your case have nothing to do with why i wanted to replace out. You were just annoying, not a big fucking dick for no reason. K read the mafia qt, tis understandable. Also this game was entirely town sided and I'm boycotting it likes cell. | ||
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On August 22 2017 19:14 Koshi wrote: haha. Please geript. You can have your opinion but it is wrong. If we ever meet up we can talk about this for 4 hours. There is no way I am wrong about this. 14 players. 2 confirmed town. 1 parity cop. So 4 misslynches in a pool of 11 before you lose. It's like judges that can actually interact with the thread and you are not limited by any shenanigans, making EoD way harder for scum. And we as judges played way way way way better than you guys did in that previous game btw. And we as mafia did a pretty decent job as well. I still don't understand the modconfirmed shit with rayn but HF dropped the ball so fucking hard on the D1 lynch. What's there not to understand? Rayn got called mafia and when people were piling on he got angry and said he's replacing out. Then he said "the mods won't let me replace." When I see that I don't believe a mafia rayn would replace out for being called mafia. But apparently it was more than that. Still shouldn't ever talk about mod actions and not being able to be replaced though. | ||
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On August 22 2017 20:06 Superbia wrote: Agreed. Getting a roleblock seems really meh. And it's even difficult to execute because you're essentially giving the town extra info when using the roleblock. Exactly. Mafia can't ever use a rb because then it's "oh a winner has to have been mafia" | ||
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No vig though. If mafia win they should be allowed to see the judge's choices and change one name. | ||
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On August 22 2017 20:29 Superbia wrote: Then they're confirmed mafia in the eyes of the judges... Hmmmmmmmmmmmm | ||
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On August 22 2017 22:19 rsoultin wrote: also, apologies for not cracking down on the "mod said x" going on in the thread i personally don't give a flying fuck about the normal things people say 'mod-confirms' anyone. if someone's being a shithead to scum rayn, i'm not going to let that continue just because he's scum. if someone tells me 'yes, i'm working extra hours and i need to lie to my gf and that's awkward for me but the real reason i want to replace out is people are scumreading me for the wrong reasons when i'm scum', yes, i'll tell them tough titty. obviously we didn't just tell rayn to suck it up, but no, that will never be a suitable replacement excuse for me and ultimately i don't care if someone says 'the host told me x' when i'm playing in a game; of course they can be lying or leveraging it. but because so many in the community here seem to, we should have cracked down on that in thread. instead, rayn used it and we didn't say anything. then eversince abused it. then cake used it. so, lesson learned. much as i think it's dumb for people to think i'm going to modkill someone for mentioning my name in thread, it was becoming disruptive to the game and should have been stopped. apologies I don't usually care about this either but it was just coming from a game where specifically rayn told me not to do this. | ||
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Sick plays were coming. | ||
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On August 22 2017 22:58 Holyflare wrote: If i got that response from the host I would have shot rayn and claimed it just before deadline though so the shot wouldn't go through and geript would be confirmed. Sick plays were coming. | ||
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On August 23 2017 03:57 ritoky wrote: that feel when you basically nothing to deserve a win, but still feel like the town hero I gotcha buddy | ||
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Just at other people's expense though. | ||
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