[T] MS Paint-Off Mafia - Page 5

On August 16 2017 02:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm in tumbleweeds filter and i don't think he's mafia. Not enough to call him solid town but u know

I think rayns martyring is scummy outside anything else that's been said about him.

I still think HF is town.

I dislike jealous' all paint style but I guess he's towny enough.

Has copcake done anything since being nominated? I can't remember anything of substance I will look at her filter.

I think I remember agreeing with damdred that conversion has made himself look more towny. After a cursory look at his filter i am satisfied

I need scumreads someone tell me a filter to dive

On August 16 2017 21:08 geript wrote:


You've recognized that HF and Rayn are "names" so to speak. But I want to put them in perspective. HF is a top 5 mafia player of all time on this site. Top 5 best scum player, top 5 best Town player, top 5 best player period. The only player I can think of off the top of my head who was as good all around is WhereBugsgo. I'm not sure I even put Palmer top 5 anymore; though I think Marv is still top 5 scum. I hate saying this because I'm going to hear this non-stop in every game I'm in with him from now on. Rayn is very good, but he's not HF. You wanting to believe your reads are better than his is just that.

I'm not sure if there is a player who has martyred more on this site than I have; a fact I am rather ashamed of. I'm an impromptu expert of sorts. I've coached a fair share of newbie games; played in more. I have a pretty strong feel for newbies in general; likely a better feel for newbies than I have for most vets. I'm better with properly using meta than most vets, because I've work with (and failed with) it more.

So you being a super passive player that turns into a younger version of me when pressed and martyrs in a way (not just specific wording but a series of posts) that is incongruent with anything I've seen before is to note. I'm not even sure how exactly to make detailed WoT case like that.

On August 16 2017 21:27 geript wrote:

Like in the quoted post, you want to follow your own reads more than anyone else and especially HF's. It's hard to take it any other way than you think your reads are better. It's also in how you talk to HF as if you're right about the best way to play. Yet outside those situations, it's like a completely different animal.

On August 16 2017 21:40 Holyflare wrote:
Conversion did you have a reason to not vote me? I don't remember.

On August 16 2017 21:21 geript wrote:
@Conversion. Start with this post from Hopeless and tell me what sticks out and why.

On August 15 2017 05:00 Hopeless1der wrote:

I never said I believed it was true, just more likely than the other thing

On August 16 2017 04:48 Conversion wrote:


honestly when cake answers my questions the play itself seems fine

everything outside of it is confusing me though (like I never called her mafia, never insinuated it, never directly stated it). the only two people I ever remotely called scum were HF and hopeless, and I pushed rayn pretty hard after I came back and dropped that

the logical disconnect && bad memory seems like a byproduct of being at work and not communicating exactly what she(?) tries to mean. that doesn't seem like a scum play? she also did this a bit in CCCP

more town than not. I was meh about her answer on Rels, but I don't disagree with it

On August 17 2017 00:39 Jealous wrote:
Quick catch-up post:

1. @conversion: Cop couldn't be in the lynch pool, please familiarize yourself with the game because this was a major point in the early hours of phase 1 to the point where Artanis had to step in.

2. @HF: Looking at your progression throughout the game through memory, it looks a lot like this: spend the majority of your time antagonizing rayn which becomes the main topic of conversation for many hours and gets heated and likely contributed to him being in the lynch pool, throw in some okayish reads on other people but don't discuss them much (until recently), then claim to have vig shot and to have shot rayn while also claiming that he is townlock which effectively "made him quit" and ushered in a decent period of silence from everyone, then come back and judge people for still voting for rayn. There are different ways to interpret this:

1. That you were in fact in the heat of the moment and kicked in the door guns blazing and have cooled off, and that Artanis' post does in your mind town lock rayn, and that you genuinely do think the vote should be on one of FF/H1.

2. You almost singlehandedly sparked into motion a series of events which led to approximately 36 hours of almost no one doing anything not - rayn related, or at least not close to what it would be if you hadn't launched your endless assault. Then you tell people to not vote rayn.

I can see 1. I can also kinda see 2, but if the ends is confirming one town (in your mind) and simultaneously killing their motivation to play, I don't know how much I like that. My wariness is rising and I'm not going to take my vote off rayn just because you said so. I want to see this chapter closed and see what the outcome is without a doubt so that there are no lingering questions. It would be a marvelous scum performance if it was MvM, perhaps overplayed but I can't let the possibility of that go. Ultimately, while I don't think the judges are infallible, they did nominate rayn so as you said earlier, I feel justified.

Also, heavy misrepresentation on your part when you say I have all 50/50 reads. I said that H1 and geript are hard town for me. I said that Damdred is scum lean. I said that rayn townlean. Please no misrep. Also curious how I moved down your list in towniness with no input on my part, after you said that my vote for you was the "towniest thing ever" but I can understand the wifom involved in that as well (I was curious why no one other than you said anything about it and you viewed it so purely positively... that's a topic for another discussion. For the record I just couldn't risk it going to CopCake).

3.@geript: Thank you!

On August 17 2017 00:43 Jealous wrote:

You have to be pushing the game forward of your own volition, not merely sitting and waiting for people to notice you and ask you questions. Maybe then people will say that you have done something, or you could have a better filter to fall back on. Simply sitting back, only providing the minimum asked, and claiming to be forgetful while not looking at filters are all bad play if not at least slightly scummy.