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On May 31 2017 02:15 VayneAuthority wrote: /in no bamboozle this time long time | ||
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On June 14 2017 08:10 Fecalfeast wrote: Is it really no reason, or do you just assume others will perceive it as no real reason? mainly the latter | ||
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On June 14 2017 08:35 Fecalfeast wrote: So you rolled scum and want to justify your bad mood? keep fishing | ||
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On June 14 2017 17:26 Skynx wrote: My problem was more with ruxxar's appreciation rather than disfo's post. I find it a bit of a mafia trend that they feel the need to do this kind of stuff to blend in. This "I liked this post" just felt fake to me. I was gonna say this. People grilling Skynx seem to be missing the point of his post. It was calling out ruXXar soft buddying disformation rather than disformation's post itself. Town points to Skynx. As of page 11, I think Xatalos/ruXXar are most likely to be scum | ||
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On June 14 2017 20:50 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm glad annul posted that video because he also quoted Koshi's math post which is plain bullshit and filler y u take joke so srs | ||
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On June 14 2017 21:28 annul wrote: who says i am ignoring it? commenting on A does not equal ignoring B. not commenting on B, when B is the most common thing in the thread, is essentially ignoring B. In order to not achieve levels of irony, I think HF is more likely to be town than rayn atm. Rayn doesn't seem nearly as aggressive or standoff-ish right now. He's basically just defending himself and not really pushing back at HF. Like there's a difference between answering every question you're asked and just saying "fuck you, i'm not answering any more of your shit." I don't sense the passion + Show Spoiler + or rage I've liked a few of the inconsistencies HF has pointed out in rayn's play. | ||
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On June 14 2017 21:35 annul wrote: i think the fact that: A. i am here during this argument and therefore have read all of it; and B. i do not have a vote down on anyone yet is indicative of what i think so far HF has no reason to FOS anyone this early and assigning alignment to him based on that is just WIFOM feels like a cop out. | ||
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On June 14 2017 22:14 beentheredonethat wrote: so I a) comment intensely on koshi/hf/you b) scumread you, not following the 3p thing (alhtough a vote is a vote of course) c) call out annul d) poke xata * and I'm opportunistic? Opportinistic would be to vote rayn * a small part of this thread? the major part of this thread. how am I not carefree? I think I'm super carefree lol Let's vote Xata together, right now. You and I. Forever. | ||
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On June 14 2017 22:28 ruXxar wrote: This makes it real simple. Lynch eversince. If green, lynch sicklucker. Guaranteed 1 scum down. How is this an intelligent plan at all? | ||
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On June 14 2017 22:41 beentheredonethat wrote: While I favour the general idea, can you please state your reasons? We mindmelded at almost the same time about Xata. Simply put, his filter is basically him trying to make friends and say nothing about everything. On June 14 2017 16:42 Xatalos wrote: Haha.. Indeed it's quite nothing in the guise of something. Buddy post that doesn't accurately depict what Skynx's post was actually about ruXxar. I feel like he also gave Koshi two too many posts about how Koshi caught him with the smiley thing. It just felt as if he gave that off hand comment too much attention (three posts in total). On June 14 2017 17:47 Xatalos wrote: Skynx: true, ruxxar's +1 is more blendy than disfo's vague list, especially in reaction to said list.. very meh disfo: that's pretty.. detail-focused it'd be very funny if he turned out to be SK or something (I think that was a possible role?) followed by On June 14 2017 17:47 Xatalos wrote: TBH I don't think it tells much of anything though I know it's early but his whole filter has been filler. Hardly any stances taken. The ones he's taken have either been retractable, misconstrued (like the skynx post) or buddy attempts at various "town leader" type people. In my position, I would've said something along the lines of "oh my bad, I misread the point of your post..." but he just rolled with the mistake | ||
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On June 14 2017 22:56 beentheredonethat wrote: The idea is "darthfoley is coming to the same conclusion as I do before knowing my conclusion". I don't know if he is faking the "I'm catching up post by post" thing but I think he's not. Super gut-feeling. It's only 10AM in Atlanta where I am right now. I went to bed at like page 8 and woke up to 19-20 pages. Yea, I had to catch up. I guess I could do that as either alignment | ||
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On June 14 2017 23:23 Skynx wrote: Ruxxar, Xata, sl all null for now, yet to see a nice contribution or anything ti. I like disfo and HF for town right now, they are contributing pretty good. Koshi might be 3p but he is doing pretty good as well, I'm not lyncing him at any rate. How is ruXxar not scummy? Who are you scum reading? | ||
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I think his A-B comparison thing is scummy. | ||
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On June 15 2017 00:53 Fecalfeast wrote: I assume you mean face value but why can't scum see the fake cop claim and roll with it to gauge reactions? [HR] I don't like how ruxxar seems incapable of taking a joke. Makes me think he's trying too hard. + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2017 08:27 ruXxar wrote: What cred? I don't like bdtds reads but that doesn't make him scum or town. I like HF, disfo, vivax. I had a point about someone speaking for someone else but I seem to have lost the tab. Phone posting at work sucks so I'm gonna work instead i guess Which reads don't you like? Why don't you like them? | ||
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On June 15 2017 01:20 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh hey it was darth who asked. What are your reads again df? Town leans Btdt Disfo HF Maybe you maybe vivax Scum: xata ruxxar annul rayn | ||
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On June 15 2017 02:31 Vivax wrote: They both look fairly scummy atm, but Koshi is way more posty while it's really hard to fish something out of Ruxxar. I get the feeling he's in the thread all the time but holds back from posting more on purpose. That said, I'd switch to Ruxxar with enough followers. But right now the Koshi wagon is big and big wagons are what we need. Why do you need more people to join a wagon before you commit? There's plenty of time left in today. If you want a ruxxar wagon, make it happen. This looks like useless hedging | ||
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On June 15 2017 03:01 Xatalos wrote: DF: I wasn't the only one who missed Skynx's main point initially. After he explained further, I actually agreed that it looked worse for ruxxar than disfo. So what's the issue? And I wouldn't really call my filter "filler". Well I would, which is why I did. My point is that mafia are often looking to misconstrue people's posts and throwing around suspicion. @ Vivax. It's not that he didn't have reads, it's that he seemed to be ignoring the major event in the thread at the time. It's fine to be not super committed to early D1 reads, but I felt like the "I have no idea what to make of this" was a cop out to people's legit questions about it. | ||
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On June 15 2017 03:04 Vivax wrote: There's still a question open for you df. Why is someone mafia for admitting to having no reads? You call annul mafia for cop out from giving reads, so you're requesting someone to give you some forced reads in the case that he doesn't have any? I also just doubt that someone can have no opinion of HF v rayn v Koshi at this point. | ||
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On June 15 2017 03:27 Xatalos wrote: Well, it's just an inaccurate description... Maybe I have some not-so-important posts, but certainly not only those.. Besides, I just don't see what's bad about the Skynx events. Skynx's points on disfo caught my attention more than his underlying point to bring attention to ruxxar, that's all. He was later forced to elaborate and only then did it become clear that ruxxar was where his main focus was (I guess it was possible to notice by reading his original post more carefully, but I digress). I'm more interested in hearing what you make of the game and its players at this point, now that you've caught up. | ||
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On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote: For the second part: People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads. Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read. Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote. who do you think is scum? | ||
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On June 15 2017 04:10 Koshi wrote: Anyway. Enough rage. You won't see more of that. Please somebody call it fake rage. I am going to post less because this is not really fun for me and when a lot of people are tunneled there is not much I can do. I'll continue to solve the game but might just do a couple posts from time to time. But maybe not that much. I have enough pages of filter to let you analyse. I was truthful in every post and tried to solve the game. Problem is that trying was greeted by dumb accusation way too many times instead of some help. You have 5 votes in the first 24h on D1 and you're Koshi. Get over it dude. What would you like to talk about? | ||
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On June 15 2017 04:25 Koshi wrote: I have nothing. I actually tried for like 5 hours and it got me nowhere. So I am just going to do nothing for the next 15 or so. My filter is big enough. well meh. cool | ||
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This post also sits badly in my stomach. The bolded just feels like an unnatural/aggressive way to claim having an original idea (Which is something mafia often struggle with, and something I think Xatalos has struggled with in this game so far). On June 15 2017 04:05 Xatalos wrote: I think I said that first? And FF too at some point? Anyways, he does actually have 6 votes already with no true challenger. I thought it was 7 but apparently I was wrong. This doesn't mean he can't be 3P, at all, but it feels like he's sinking a bit too easily if scum. I also really like Koshi's description of Grack's play. He hasn't ventured into any unknown territory. He casually sort-of threw out one scum read on me, never defended it. On June 15 2017 04:38 Grackaroni wrote: I'm mostly just looking for someone kinda in the middle blending in. That's super generic, and not even an honest representation of my play so far IMO. I don't think i've blended at all. I just see no drive to scum hunt-- at all. No idea why people are town reading annul tbh. His last post particularly stuck out to me. I actually concluded the opposite thing from reading ruXxar's post On June 15 2017 05:46 annul wrote: im down for a ruxxar lynch as a result of this post btw That seems like townie/rusty player logic. Plus it still doesn't sit right with me how annul ignored HF v. Rayn v. Koshi so to speak when they're the drivers of conversation and it was the biggest topic of conversation at the time. | ||
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On June 15 2017 08:51 Rels wrote: My thoughts catching up. Will vote marv tomorrow if he still haven't posted. Otherwise ruxxar or Eversince. + Show Spoiler + ruxxar: - "I like it" on a disfo post that didn't deserve any of it. Not that it deserved scum points. But nothing to like in it. - buying SL's red check. Propose we lynch Eversince, then SL if she flips green. No game vision. Gullible. Skynx: - good first post on ruxxar's post where he said "I liked it". Koshi: - didn't understand Skynx' post on ruxxar when it was the best post in the thread yet. Uncharacteristic. Bad. - called rayn's attack on bad disfo a defense. Bad. - good post on BTBT being bad - a Koshi town post "mm Vivax might be mafia" out of nowhere - p35. Lock town. disfo: - pretty gullible. That's scummy. Bought SL's red check. - had a throwaway read on Koshi, HF picked it up, and he had a weird reason to vote Koshi. Weird stuff all around. rayn: - picked up that above stuff on disfo. Good. Vivax: - entered the thread liking Skynx' post. Good. - liking the annul's post I liked. Good. BTDT: - called Koshi town for no reason - turned around on voting Koshi when he decided HF was serious on Koshi - townie posts though (p 21) annul: - calling the HF vs Koshi as it is pretty likely to be (HF screwing around) => good DF: - also understanding Skynx post + doing his own thing (p 18). Dunno why he doesn't like Xata though. Didnt find anything Xata did so far was AI. - nice post explaining why Xata is scummy. Convincing too, the bit where Xata missed Skynx' logic. Damdred: - weird that he starts playing calling some people scummy, when usually he's super unsure D1 and tries to build a "no-lynch" list rather than the opposite. - though he's thinking about the game as a whole. Having a "rayn scum means Koshi no scum" mindset. Even though that mindset is bad, especially D1, it's townie. FF: - liking the question to ruxxar. Is evolving his read based on what's happening. Doubting too, then getting back to it. Eversince: - answering FF's questions about what are the things against rayn, then saying she doesn't see the things against rayn. Weird. Maybe scum and entered the thread with an answer to FF to have an easy good looking first post. Grack: - weird, against sentiment reads, but I can follow them. Good. Xata: - good post on ruxxar. rayn: - LOL butthurt defense in his huge post when it was 100% uneeded, just for the ego. Pretty likely town. How can you say Xata has done nothing AI then commend me for making a convincing case on Xata being scum? Seems pretty contradictory | ||
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On June 15 2017 08:48 Vivax wrote: Xatalos isn't mafia though. Might explain how I read him if this gets too much traction. You're gonna have to enlighten me because i've seen nothing townie about his playstyle and pushes so far. | ||
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On June 15 2017 18:33 Holyflare wrote: This is what you're effectively doing vivax: The world of the orange sky. 1. I say the sky is blue and make a case why. 2. Fecalfeast ask what the case on the sky colour is that everyone is sheeping. 3. Eversince states my case that the sky is blue. 4. You enter thread and say, wait, but the sky is orange! 5. Eversince says she can't see why the sky is blue and here are the reasons. 6. You say she copied my opinion that the sky is blue when in fact she thinks it's quite green. That easier? but what color is the banana? | ||
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What do you "town leaders" make of Rels? | ||
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On June 15 2017 21:21 Vivax wrote: Do you have any opinion on Eversince, darth? Your argument with HF has gone over my head and it's been clogging up the thread so my only read comes from a quick read of her(?) filter. All the filter is is early defending of rayn against a wagon on him, then moderating HF v. Koshi. I have no idea what Eversince believes of the other 19 players in the game. She feels super disconnected from the thread. She's on the scummier side, but also perfect example of potential lynch bait. I'm still more comfortable with other people D1 lynch because her filter doesn't feel like she's pushing any sort of agenda tbh | ||
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On June 15 2017 21:30 Vivax wrote: This vote is so bad that I'm going to TR the tumble for NEI. Updated town list: annul, Koshi ( - points for hipster reads on ES and Ruxx), Damdred, FF, Grack (hedging on this), Vayne (for no other reason that he called eversinces post scummy and it seemed genuine), skynx, btdt ( - points for still being on kosh) Newcomers: TW, rayn , Rels. Koshi I'm not too satisfied with you explaining everything away on ruxx and ES from a town point of view. And if you want Xatalos we need to start getting finding stuff. I already commented on him just sucking up to HF when he tried to sell him that I was posting scummy things (would spew HF town if Xata is mafia actually). Won't be at home for most of this afternoon and evening. Why are you TRing btdt but not me when we basically have the same reads? | ||
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On June 15 2017 22:05 Skynx wrote: I prolly forgot to mention it earlier but disfo is top town until end of this game, you should slow down otherwise you're dead tonight bro. explain pls? | ||
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On June 15 2017 22:40 Skynx wrote: This town needs some structured plan as we head into the lynch. Now I dunno how we can convince Palmar to play since he won't submit to few votes. I will read more on Xata and Ruxxar and see what comes up. There could be a mafia there. Koshi is contributing, altho not perfectly in supertown scumhunting Koshi mode, his mafia game is out there after D2 tho so defo not lynching today. I also don't think rayn is mafia from that one Koshi defence, I will see when he gets back into the thread. Meanwhile I have kind of town circle in: HF, Vivax, disfo, Damdy, Rels, DF, Eversince btdt has 1 lazy "I'm here" post. It'd be nice if VA actually played. TW is in and out, not feel like he's playing either. Fefe and Grack i didn't really like and will go back and read. I don't like annul from first impressions. Quickdraws shoot AMG/marv or if u feel adventurous sl pls. This is pretty much where I am, but i'm wary of Vivax because he town read btdt and has thrown shade at me even though we have had similar reads and arguments for the whole game. I would also suggest we don't lynch btdt today. I think he's played a town game but i'm probably biased because we've had lots of similar reads | ||
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On June 15 2017 22:53 Skynx wrote: I mean there is gona be disagreements but for now if that 8-10 people work together mafia is gona have a tough time no matter what. So for the sake of argument, Vivax and you having same reads, you're prolly thinking in same pattern and both town I'm not a fan of killing afk/one posters D1, which i kinda supported when i first started playing. Mainly because if left alive, they feel the pressure and step up D2, either producing well content and joining town or slipping and getting lynched. Meanwhile D1 we actually lynch someone who has gave us some sort of information. All things considered, there is gotta be one mafia in annul/grack/fefe/ruxxar/xata. I'm reading Xata now. No, Vivax and I have differing reads on quite a few people it seems. My point was that BTDT and I share a lot of similar reads, yet he town reads BTDT and scum reads me, with no explanation. I am concerned with the inconsistency | ||
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On June 16 2017 00:02 Tumblewood wrote: i won't claim to have actually considered every player, but i'm thinking: rels, grack, vivax, annul, disfo, koshi, ruxxar, btdt (in no particular order) are probably town and definitely should not be lynched d1 preferably we lynch rayn or one of the afks this town list is the antithesis of how I view the game right now for at least half of these players. can someone explain to me why they're town reading TW? I remember him being in a few town lists | ||
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i think ruXxar has started to look better. Not comfortable lynching Koshi day 1 either, he's stroking my ego so much and making me feel smart. | ||
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On June 16 2017 03:34 Koshi wrote: Well you are actually the best player D1. No doubt. keep talking dirty to me | ||
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On June 16 2017 04:04 Koshi wrote: ruXxar is not mafia and a mafia is pushing that idea. A mafia is pushing that ruXxar is NOT mafia? | ||
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On June 16 2017 04:20 Vivax wrote: Feels like the game is being deflected off ES and Ruxxar onto annul/Xata. Koshi with the hipster reads. This is the game I'm feeling I'm currently in. So who's doing the deflecting? | ||
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On June 16 2017 04:24 Vivax wrote: Why are you not replying to my posts before posting new questions? You are leaving loose ends in this game. Because your claim is generally vague and fearmongering. "Feels like the game is being fearmongered away from annul/Xata." You'd probably wonder who/what made me say that. How am I leaving "loose ends" in the game when it's D1 and i've been consistently active and looking for mafia/pushing new leads? | ||
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On June 16 2017 04:34 VayneAuthority wrote: I had been sitting at the bar for a while now, drinking in the culture and folks of this establishment. Now on my sixth beer, things were starting to get a little hazy. As it approached night time the yelling and arguing had only gotten worse. I was starting to get a migraine from all the one liners. Then, someone was hailed over in the shadow of the bar. Stepping up onto the porch, a newcomer had showed up late to happy hour. Finding his friends in the back, he first strolled up to the counter and demanded weapons from the bartender, an odd request. The three ranch hands drinking next to me rushed out of the bar when they got a good look at him. The bartender went around the back and rummaged around as others were exiting from the back door of the bar. But it was a ruse.. the bartender and man looked up at each other laughing as he came back to the counter to pour him a drink. This place was starting to make some of the trendy themed bars back at home look palatable. I needed a lead. I glanced at my watch, a little under four hours until the real show started. I just needed to lay low until then and try to save an innocent life. The bad guys never did like to play in the light...so it looked like it was time to bring the light to them. "Any of you boys got a light?" This is actually fucking cool lol | ||
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On June 16 2017 04:37 Koshi wrote: any1 knows who the new guy is and who left the bar? Xatalos kinda left? HF stopped being annoying. Who else? Idk but maybe we should just let VA narrate this game in cowboy-noire style | ||
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On June 16 2017 04:43 VayneAuthority wrote: after doing a little research on the side ill be voting for skynx today dis guy got some big bawls. why? | ||
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[QUOTE]On June 16 2017 04:40 Fecalfeast wrote: [QUOTE]On June 16 2017 04:36 Skynx wrote: [QUOTE]On June 16 2017 04:29 Fecalfeast wrote: I said yolo to the fact that my early scumread is voting the same person as me I've articulated why i dislike annul skynx. [/QUOTE] I don't know what you're trying to say here. Your Ruxxar sr was based on him having sl as top town. Now you townread both of them and voting on annul together while your only two cents on annul is: [QUOTE]On June 16 2017 02:51 Fecalfeast wrote: Scumlist: Annul - very little contribution, out of everything that's happened he decides to focus on a ruxxar post that has been called out multiple times. Worried about being scumread by ruxx more than finding scum. ... /QUOTE] While you say [QUOTE]On June 16 2017 02:52 Fecalfeast wrote: I know xata is a name being thrown around as scummy but i admit i haven't even checked his filter 😎[/QUOTE][/QUOTE] Why do you say my ruxxar scumread was based on him townreading sicklucker when that is not the case? I also said that I actually like ruxxars latest posts but would prefer to not be wrong. I believe you and grack now have misrepresented my read on ruxxar what gives? Also what does my post about xata have to do with ruxx or annul?[/QUOTE] I misunderstood you on ruxxar now i read a little further back. As he is the other major wagon, it would be nice for you guys to have an opinion on Xata. How i feel is you say you said yolo just building up on what you previously said about annul but i found that to be not much. Xata's filter is very similar so i'm just curious you vote one without considering the other.[/QUOTE] can you two learn to quote correctly pls? this is cancerous | ||
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On June 16 2017 04:54 sicklucker wrote: meh I dont think xatas filter is that bad. at least his ideas are unconventional to the thread which I kind of expect his town play wtf??? Whichideas are unconventional? The time he called ruXxar mafia as his only scum read when like 5 people had pushed it? I really need specific examples about what ideas he's pushed have been "unconventional." Hell, I can't even remember what ideas he's pushed at all. | ||
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On June 16 2017 05:19 disformation wrote: the game had a lot of yelling about rayn being scum earlier. so i dont think it is outrageously unconventional exactly. early on lots of people were on the fence about rayn after the whole HF v. Koshi v. rayn shitfest that sort of occured. I really don't think Xata has had an "out there" read or contradictory read against thread sentiment.Feel like he's also tried buddying multiple people in the game. | ||
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On June 16 2017 05:22 Holyflare wrote: Feel free to join this wagon. Only the pros need apply. ##vote sicklucker Also not opposed to this wagon getting some traction | ||
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On June 16 2017 05:32 Vivax wrote: I'm really just fed up with everyone doing their own thing then a bunch of derpies coming in and hurr, yolo vote this yolo vote that and not care about trying to build up a bit of unity in the town. Or DF who thinks hes entitled to ask me questions but apparently doesn't want to read my filter and engage. So I'm just going to sheep HF, maybe rayn, maybe Palmar depending on who cares the most or something like that. As long as it looks like there's a train of ppl and not just a bunch of solitary ones in little bubbles. I literally asked you who was misleading the town and then you had a hissy fit. It was one question and you blew up. All you had to do was post the wretched names or quote something with a snarky response. But you didn't Get over it | ||
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On June 16 2017 05:34 Vivax wrote: I listen to DF I pick apart his posts and comment on individual parts that interest me. I just don't have the same reads as him. And yes I appreciate your interactions. I will have time later tonight to go through your filter, but I'm at teacher training for most of every day so I can't filter as effectively as I'd like until like 1AM Austrian time | ||
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On June 16 2017 05:42 Holyflare wrote: I don't mind the post at all. Basically says she's a lurker that's posted, which is pretty scummy but not unknown for town to do. But his conclusion is wrong. Mafia agenda is just to live so not pushing anything and living is already fulfilling it. Point taken. Perhaps this will clear up my POV. While Eversince has a decent chance of being mafia, she's equally likely to just be a shitty town. On the other hand, I think Xata/annul and now SL have been more scummy and have more interactions with other people that will illuminate this game. | ||
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On June 16 2017 05:44 Vivax wrote: See? This is what I wanted to hear from DF, his version of mafia agenda at least cause that's one of the questions I have pending and he refused to answer. My idea of mafia agenda is 1) buddying towns 2) copying reads 3) hedging 4) opportunistic posting (only coming in to defend or parrot points) 5) an unnatural need to prove how their game has been unique Xata/annul/SL have displayed multiple points on this list | ||
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because there's a lot of potential "blame" to be thrown around with so many AFK votes | ||
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On June 16 2017 05:54 Holyflare wrote: This game was a travesty that people weren't forced to confirm before the game started btw. I guarantee that's 60% of the afkers at least. agreed. mods go pm them! | ||
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On June 16 2017 06:30 Koshi wrote: I really hope the town within you guys keep a close eye on the thread and do that last minue Xatalos vote. Except for the 3 people realllllyyyy believing he is mafia he got a lot of pushback. rayn as well btw. and looking at the Xatalos filter he is SUPER FUCKING EASY to vote on if he is town. What a fucking bad filter. So why isn't mafia doing that? Second paragraph is actually kind of a sick point. There's plenty of reason to "fabricate" a vote on him if he were Town. Especially with some of the people pushing him considered "obv/strong town" yet he's been stuck at 4 votes forever | ||
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On June 16 2017 06:33 Rels wrote: I swear one day I will have a good D1. Dunno why I can never bring myself to care D1 Are you gonna vote or just be sad? | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:29 Koshi wrote: darthfoley What do you make of Xata not fighting and annul fighting? I'm starting to feel like annul doth protest too much. Xata's lack of defense is kinda concerning from either alignment tbh. Idk | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:42 Koshi wrote: same. I am not voting sicklucker. But annul or xata? I don't know. I think I'm staying zone xata. Force scum to make the move (or lack thereof). The end of the day has given lots of info. Let's see who comes in with the hammer, and onto who. Like Xata not defending himself if his scum mates are doing the leg work makes sense | ||
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On June 16 2017 08:23 Koshi wrote: 3)Palmar 5)disformation 7)Tumblewood 12)Xatalos 13)AMG 14)marvellosity 15)Grackaroni 20)sicklucker 22)Eversince So this is my list still. I am not yet putting HF in it. Weird I know. If Xatalos is town the 5 mafia are still in this list. I am somewhat tempted to take sl out :d You know how many mafia there are? | ||
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On June 16 2017 08:27 sicklucker wrote: im sure theres at least 1 or 2 people that are autolynches before you consider me. no idea whats going on in vivax's brain Who are you thinking? ES and Xata? | ||
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On June 16 2017 09:54 Blazinghand wrote: Most people here haven't played with Annul. He doesn't play much these days. I've played a game or two with him, and I know some guys like HolyFlare, Palmar, Rels, marv, Grack, Vivax, etc have been around enough they likely played with him as well. Anyone else claiming to have played with him or to know his meta is likely talking out of their ass. I'm interested to see what the newest member of the cool kids star club thinks of the game when you manage to catch up with 86 pages or whatever! | ||
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On June 16 2017 08:02 Half the Sky wrote: Final Vote Count - Day 1 annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince Xatalos (6): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflare sicklucker (2): Palmar, Koshi (1): marvellosity (1): Skynx (1): VayneAuthority ruXxar (0): Tumblewood (0): Palmar (0): raynpelikoneet (0): Palmar (0): beentheredonethat (0): Eversince (0): Not voted (4): Damdred, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity Half the Sky is getting ready to throw annul out of her whiskey bar. Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted. Should've known annul was town. Just look at the people who ended up voting for him | ||
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Also really don't like HF being the last vote on Xata. Placed perfectly to not kill him while also not hammering the flipped Town. Couple that with the fact that he spent way too much time "trying to convince us to vote SL" when it was clearly coming down to annul vs. Xata. Eversince's vote is also complete garbage considering she cited HF as the only person to give her the lowdown of what was going on in the thread... then hammered the guy HF was white knighting (or defending if you want to be PC) without a care in the world. Vigi please blow Xata's brains out, but if you're feeling frisky, shoot ever since. I need to really study how the last hour went down when I'm rested tomorrow | ||
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Not like I Rels out from a mile away | ||
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On June 16 2017 16:21 Koshi wrote: You are really an incredible player. :D Now I don't think both Vivax and HF are mafia like Ruxx is claiming. But one might be. But maybe not. Waiting for the post game for me to be 100% wrong and have this be ironic | ||
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On June 16 2017 16:39 Palmar wrote: I clicked darthfoley's filter. I don't like it much, and I would expect him to be a relatively easy townread if he was town. I think he is a good candidate for being mafia. Thanks for your input Nostradamus. | ||
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On June 16 2017 18:01 Vivax wrote: Basically anyone who argues Xata is scum is saying all mafia was on annul. Touche. How is anyone arguing that? There were a variety of off wagon votes and 4 non votes. Why would that mean all four other mafia voted for Xata? Town could've just been on the wrong side of a hammer. This is why it's important for KP to be aimed at Xata tonight | ||
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Think lots of scum lies between ES, Grack, TW, sl, Rels, HF or Vixax. Still waiting for rayn to scumhunt which is concerning. I need to reread btdt and disformation. Hopefully tonight's actions resolve some issues. Unfortunately I'll probably be dead lol | ||
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On June 16 2017 19:27 Holyflare wrote: And why am I mafia when I tried to save my town read at the end of the day, repeatedly told people annul was town and tried to get people off the wagons? And why is sicklucker not mafia again? I think sl could well be mafia. I explained earlier why I didn't like your EoD | ||
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On June 16 2017 19:22 Vivax wrote: Bolded all the townies you're calling scum. So why has eversince become scum to you now just for EoD stuff? I don't think the posts were that much worse than what she already had posted before so the progression doesn't really make sense. And lul @ you dying tonight Did you even read EoD or what I posted earlier? 1. ES comes in thread like 20 min before flip 2. Asks to be caught up 3. Thanks HF for catching her up (seems like a friendly TR) 4. HF is screaming from the top of his lungs not to lynch xata 5. ES ignores the only person who caught her up and hammers annul with the important 7th vote | ||
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On June 16 2017 19:33 Vivax wrote: Why are you trying to convince me that ES is mafia when I was trying to push her from the start? Why did you vote off wagon when your vote really mattered? | ||
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Oh shit I meant to say not to lynch annul. You are correct | ||
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On June 16 2017 19:51 Vivax wrote: Please DF I beg you just call me mafia for voting off wagon, do it. At least that will make it seem like a relevant question at all. I think I made it clear with my previous post that I found your EoD scummy which is by definition you Also @HF I mistyped. I need to look at FF's vote. If what you say is true, your eod isn't a problem | ||
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On June 16 2017 19:55 Vivax wrote: So if that's cause of the previous arguments, why is it relevant at all for someones alignment if they vote off wagon? Why does that make me mafia over other people who voted off wagon? Because ES who you've been hollering about was in one wagon and you chose not to vote on the other wagon. It's not always relevant to vote off wagon, but yesterday I think it was | ||
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On June 16 2017 20:05 Vivax wrote: Darthfoley is calling me mafia for not switching to Xatalos after this happened: Which btw already put annul at majority first so even if I switched I wouldn't have gotten him lynched. The feeling is mutual. So why didn't you pick a wagon? | ||
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On June 16 2017 20:15 Vivax wrote: You are mafia. Darthfoley: "Vivax is mafia for not voting Xatalos by association after Eversince voted annul 3 minutes -Eod and made him already the only lynchable guy" So why didn't you pick a wagon? Idk why you're getting so shook based off of one simple question | ||
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On June 16 2017 20:36 Vivax wrote: If I just force myself to read DF town I can see a btdt/Xata/SL/ES/Ruxxar team. But that would be pretty sad cause it means that yet again, the majority of town doesn't even try harder than mafia. It's easy to do! We can gain power and control and rule this town | ||
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On June 16 2017 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rels is mafia. Thanks for making me feel not crazy | ||
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On June 17 2017 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: yes me too. DF could you tell me if there is anything i should read about Xatalos / annul after page 60? I got bored on pages 50-60 because people are jsut repeating the same thing (not that it is a bad thing, for example koshi and HF are pushing cases - it's just boring to read same thing over and over again). On my phone now so can't really filter but Xata came in near EoD and didn't really defend himself while being in the lead. It was weird. Felt almost like he knew he wasn't gonna be lynched. He got lots of indirect defense from various people so he managed to escape the lynch without having to defend himself and look scummy/opportunistic. There seemed to be quite a bit of resistance is his lynching. Since then, he's been quite AFK. Annul had very real frustration near EoD that was townie. I can't remember if he made many more "new points." | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:05 Xatalos wrote: Holy f****. Looks like a pile formed on me. I'll try to read the recent events since I have a bit of time now until EOD. Could someone explain why SL is being voted? Also this vote situation looks pretty odd. I'd expect it to be a more heated votecount if we were on the right tracks but votes are all over the place.. Post feels weird | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:14 Xatalos wrote: I said I can vote SL if I die otherwise. But I don't really see why SL is getting votes right now. Also felt like Xata skirted around SL quite a bit EoD | ||
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On June 17 2017 01:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is usually not a mafia trait- i mean it's more likely to come from town than mafia. But okay. What i meant before.... It is not scummy to defend yourself. But okay, who were these people, jsut by name so i can read them after i have read Xatalos. Same as above. I know i read him scum or at least "invisible" as in just hanging around. Idk if that changed later on on D1. Holyflare? What was the thing that made you read him town at EoD? I can read too but i'd rather not since i wanna focus on current things instead. Next i am gonna read Xatalos- People who were pushing other people near EoD either through votes or posts from my recollection: HF, Vivax, ES, Grack, SL. Don't have the time to go back. I would read about 5-10 pages before flip | ||
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On June 17 2017 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shit i read something wrong. Like df, if people dont defend themselves it is either because they are not mafia, or they don't care if they are lynched (as mafia). I dont think xatalos fits the second category. that doesnt mean he is not mafia, but i am not buying that case, there HAS TO BE a case that originally spawned the votes on him. What is it? Koshi? Or do i go search? My cases against him. Plus koshi | ||
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On June 17 2017 01:38 Fecalfeast wrote: Man ruxxar really tried to buddybuddy with me when i started to wane on my scumread on him. Yuck Yea ruxxar has done the same to me, calling me most town, yadayada | ||
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On June 17 2017 05:08 ruXxar wrote: You will die when we lynch you tomorrow. I won't be fooled by your towny appearance anymore, and I'm personally going to ensure that you are lynched. I'll admit you had me convinced there for a while. Kudos on your good town play as mafia, but this is it. I'll make sure that you are lynched if it's the last thing I do. Yawn | ||
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On June 17 2017 05:25 ruXxar wrote: I love how you go from this: to this: You tried really hard to distance yourself, and then you just gave it up easy like that. It's some advanced mafia play for sure, but you are definitely scum together with vivax and HF. Well played. This is entertaining | ||
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Mafia are probably within (No order) Xata SL eversince Rels Grack TW AFKs Maybe one in Skynx/btdt/disformation. Idk | ||
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On June 17 2017 06:10 ruXxar wrote: Keep trying to casually brush it off instead of explaining. You can't since you have no good excuse. Darth "teflon" foley. + Show Spoiler + i appreciate what you're doing but it's a bit obvious | ||
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On June 17 2017 07:45 Holyflare wrote: No problems, I'll be keeping my eye on that shifty darthfoley I think you mean the DarthTeflonDonFoley | ||
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Anyways yea not having a vigi shot is frankly surprising. We must have a lot of investigative roles. Don't claim early D2 and kill activity tho | ||
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Vivax, we must unite. | ||
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On June 17 2017 09:10 ruXxar wrote: From reading the filters I posted above I'm gleaning this current list: Scum: Xatalos. Rels: his reads are all over the place with no straightforward conclusions. Grackaroni: Theres something about this guy that doesn't feel right. Tumblewood: His reads list is really suspicious. Town: Darth foley. Rayn. FF Vivax Conflicted: SL Eversince Conclusion: Lynch Xata or Rels today. So now I'm back into the town pile | ||
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I know. But I appreciated your effort and idea :p | ||
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On June 17 2017 13:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Youre most likely right here. Are you around in 8 or so hrs? Lets figure this shit out when i am off work. There's a chance. PrObably more like 9-10 hours. We shall see | ||
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We can talk in a few hours | ||
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On June 17 2017 19:28 Xatalos wrote: Eh. I haven't been able to really keep up with the game so well up to this point, so I'll just say it: I'm the Cop and I decided to check disfo last night. He returned Mafia. I was so close to claiming Cop several times last EOD, but managed to barely hold it in, because I wanted to use my power at least once. Luckily it paid off big time. Well this is pretty major league bullshit but let's pretend like it could be legit I guess | ||
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On June 17 2017 20:10 ruXxar wrote: I'm thinking that if you had a red check, you wouldn't give up this easily and be so calm about it. You should be kicking and screaming all the way to the gallows. Like, a cop is a HUGE asset to town. You were so close to getting lynched yesterday, yet you made no effort to even change the tide of the votes, know that you could play a critical role in winning this for us. My feeling is that if you were a cop, you would have put in way more effort yesterday to get out of a near lynch situation. Basically my thoughts as well. No way if I were cop and I was the LEADING WAGON until 5 minutes before flip would I 1. Basically not defend myself 2. Not hint or claim or be active during the night when Koshi/Hf/myself were calling for vigi to shoot you. | ||
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On June 17 2017 22:00 Vivax wrote: It's exceptionally unlikely. If you are mafia and Ruxxar town though it would make sense that mafia skynx pinged Ruxxar at the start of D1 for +1ing your post. I'm not on Xatalos autolynch btw. You will have to convince me you are town. I'll be gone grilling for most of the day so you won't have to endure me for much longer. Yea on the one hand it feels bad to autolynch and un-cc cop. But on the other hand, if I were cop, would I really want to out myself and probably get RB/Mafia vigi or whatever they have just to hammer someone who is flailing and needs a major play to save himself? Idk. I just think it's unlikely that cop!Xata DOESNT say anything near EoD when he's leading wagon until 5 min before deadline AND doesn't say anything during the night to try to get a vigi shot off him. The most believable part of the claim is who he checked: disformation. I really doubt they're both mafia together because of the voting point already mentioned. If Xata had red checked someone in the PoE like sicklucker or ES or even ruXxar, I would be more suspicious | ||
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So, you red check someone who will be confirmed town if you die first. If we lynch disformation first, we basically waste a lynch on a confirmed town (in the world that Xata is mafia). Also couple that with the fact a dumb cop might CC Xat instinctively and I'm left with a pretty optimal fake claim play by someone who was already going to die. Why not go 1-1 with confirmed town/cop if you can? | ||
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Also why the fuck is this game dead when there's 19 people alive lol | ||
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On June 18 2017 01:30 disformation wrote: also note how xata has avoided giving any reads so far. you may call me out for not being very conclusive, but at least im trying to look at stuff. Pretty sure he's just scum who doesn't want to further incriminate his teammates tbh | ||
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On June 18 2017 03:16 Tumblewood wrote: OOHHHHHHHH that's why everyone is voting xata No. We've been voting Xata since D1 lynch | ||
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On June 18 2017 04:30 beentheredonethat wrote: Good thing we kill Xata bye Nice, thanks for your input. | ||
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On June 18 2017 06:00 beentheredonethat wrote: Wait he claimed cop? And a red check on disformation. Maybe an SL lynch is safer | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:05 beentheredonethat wrote: You're leaving scum alive who potentially is a scum power role AND who can vote AND who can derail the thread? cool bra How can he derail the thread if we know he's mafia? | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:09 Chezitwo wrote: Where is the difference between losing a VT and an outed cop? Great q | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:25 beentheredonethat wrote: ##vote Chezitwo yep. So now you're voting outside of the cop/red check that you just told us to lynch | ||
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But cop!Xata found us confirmed scum!! | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:24 beentheredonethat wrote: Wait. "If we do what you say we lynch a townie." - TMI. "Mafia survives a day." And how is it the best case if the real cop gets outed for town? This sentence only makes sense from mafia perspective. Also no, this sentence makes sense from any perspective | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:37 beentheredonethat wrote: I don't believe for a second that he's cop but I'm not lynching a claim over a red check. There's always the possibility that it's just bad town. This is potentially the scummiest thing said today. I've already been over this: if Xata is scum, disformation is basically confirmed town through vote analysis. If we lynch disformation and Xata is mafia, we basically kill someone who was gonna be confirmed town. Grow some gonads. If you don't believe him "for a second", fucking lynch him. Why the hell would the real cop CC the obvious lynch who's most likely scum even before this claim shenanigan? Only a shit cop would cc today. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + fuck omg tmi slip rip sorry mafia qt | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:53 beentheredonethat wrote: Except this time, I'm not even mad. I found two scummers. And I get flamed, I'm not the one flaming here. Well I'll gladly trade one cop for two mafia. If Xata flips cop you have done your job and found another mafia!! | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:50 beentheredonethat wrote: I love how this implies that I'm town not knowing your alignment super lovely tmi So you don't believe Xatalos's claim for a second but you also believ disformation is mafia. Damn, looks like you got THREE mafia in one fell swoop! | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:55 beentheredonethat wrote: This is a quality post that leverages the discussion to a whole new level. Very contributive. <3 I've done more this game than you and 8 other people combined. Very contributive indeed <3 | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:59 beentheredonethat wrote: So you know how I react when I get tilted and keep working on tilting me good job Not my fault you get tilted. | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:58 beentheredonethat wrote: Yeah, currently you're working on getting the cop lynched, that's very good! So now you believe his claim enough to call him the cop. This is also coming from the guy who voted off-wagon D1 on a confirmed super town Koshi | ||
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On June 18 2017 08:01 Chezitwo wrote: I don't know if ruxxar really did this intentionally. I think he did. His bullshit accusation of me EoN was also planned. This doesn't make him Town tho | ||
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If Xatalos had done #2 without #1, I could see his play. But doing neither and then claiming cop with a red check on disformation right after a few of us say disformation is spewed town by mafia!Xatalos is pretty rich | ||
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And if we lynch cop then I don't get the praise but we still get a mafia. Win-win! | ||
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On June 18 2017 07:29 Eversince wrote: Obviously believes that the risk of being mis-lynched/shot N1 was worth it for the complete 'chance' to hit the lottery with Disfo mafia result. Ok, let's see what he does with it. -- The next post, "possibilty if Disfo's not scum though"? "If Disfo flips scum" Again with this trying to distance from the fact that Disfo might actually not be scum. Second bit is even more damning. If you are a un-cced cop why the hell would you use previous arguement "i didn't want scum to shoot me N1" if you are just going to make let the town waste the mis-lynch on you (Who you should be screaming yourself confirmed town) STILL? "Oh, I didn't want mafia to shoot me, but if town mis-lynches me as long as they still lynch my check tomorrow it's ok." Like wtf? Instead we get 1 dead cop at lynch. Then we get two dead townies in N2. Instead of one dead scum at lynch. More like 1:19 odds. So less than 5%. "I'm CONTENT"?? Why the hell are you not yelling from the mountain tops that this dude is scum yet? Why do you ignore the fact that you claim a vig would be better off shooting into the in-actives to hopefully hit mafia blind. But you just "had a hunch because Disfo voted you" so you didn't check one of the '?' marks yourself with your check. Harder to call in-actives mafia than someone half the thread has at somepoint thought about the possibilty of him being scum? Nah, let's ignore that though. You didn't mind if you died first? Would that have been the same if you missed mafia here? You would still be #1 lynch today. Followed with this: So you know there is a possibilty of you dying N1, You are 100% dead N2. Better check the active guy we could figure out by lylo instead of the players you just said would need checking. Yep, that makes perfect sense. Disfo still not actually mafia in this guys head. Again we get a dead cop, mafia get to shoot whoever instead of us getting to aim there shot. But no that's better than lynching mafia today forcing some of their kp onto you tonight. Screw it if there is a doctor somewhere you might actually even live! But "it's ok, town totally lynch me first" is the scummiest thing I've read in a while. This guy doesn't even believe his own claim. Disfo's not mafia, and this crap claim is just trying to de-rail the arguement and push one more mis-lynch before he dies This is much is plainly obvious. ##vote: Xatalos Quoting for rayn/other lazy people's sake | ||
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On June 18 2017 08:18 Chezitwo wrote: I will reiterate that BTDT being obstinant and defending Xatalos is not scummy. That's how I feel currently | ||
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On June 18 2017 18:54 Xatalos wrote: + Show Spoiler + I hope you're proud of me Dad(s) (HF/Koshi) | ||
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On June 18 2017 22:49 sicklucker wrote: in the end sicklucker wins us the game even when he lynches town because it forces mafia to show face. I love it This is why I always try to get close wagons day 1. I hate people who did what vivax did yesterday and just wasted their vote I thought HF said you never care about lynch wagons D1 | ||
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I think rayn has a greater chance to be scum because of how wishy washy Xata's read on him was. Eversince's big post describing stuff that was already kind of apparent seems extra and over the top analysis. Like getting town cred. But I don't understand why Xata posts baby seals here. Basically ruins all the town cred she would have gotten. Unless btdt/ES are actually scum somehow and trying to be "too dumb/obvious to be mafia." I know who I would check if I were cop tonight. | ||
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On June 19 2017 00:37 Chezitwo wrote: ES is not the only one this applies to. I will point you towards BHs over the top outrage today. We on the same wavelengf bruv | ||
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Anyways, I don't think we should dwell on that until after the flip. Xatalos's mafia role could give some important insight about how mafia felt EoD. If he's a strong role, they probably tried to defend him moreso than they would if he were just a goon. The other positive is that the real cop should have some interesting checks by tomorrow if he/she survives. Maybe even wait another day to have three checks. Also if we have a tracker or something that would be cool | ||
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On June 19 2017 05:07 VayneAuthority wrote: the only thing the hf/koshi kills say is that either 1. there is a 3rd party SK 2. The mafia team has at least one older player/leader Can you explain what an SK is? I'm too lazy to google | ||
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On June 19 2017 05:23 Vivax wrote: This day is official BS day I might as well not even evaluate anything anyone said today cause that's how autopilot it was. The only nightmare scenario is that Xata flips cop. Then I might go back to a world where df can be mafia. If you ever insinuate that I am mafia in this game again, I will bring my legions of townspeople to my defense and lynch you | ||
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On June 19 2017 05:29 Vivax wrote: I'm a direct person if you people want to call me mafia go straight ahead but all three of you just softing it makes me really want to call you all mafia. You're a direct person who then shies away from being direct at the end of your post. The irony! Are we mafia or aren't we mafia, old boy?! | ||
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On June 19 2017 05:25 Vivax wrote: I on the other hand had at multiple times the feeling that mafia is more active than town. Also kind of complete bullshit considering the two most active players were killed N1. So I'm not sure how the mafia could be more active than a 15pg Koshi filter and HF at like 8 or whatever | ||
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On June 19 2017 05:52 Vivax wrote: They didn't have to be the most active, just active enough to constantly be around and look like they're doing things. There's mafia who do that you know. I think Ruxxar could easily fit into that category. He had a very slow, scummy start D1 and spent only the entirety of D2 toying around in the thread when there's nothing to do anyway. I agree with you about ruXxar. He's been very chummy. Could well be mafia. I still think the cop check is better spent elsewhere though. | ||
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On June 16 2017 08:02 Half the Sky wrote: Final Vote Count - Day 1 annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, [r]Xatalos[/r], Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince Xatalos (6): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflare sicklucker (2): Palmar, Koshi (1): marvellosity (1): Skynx (1): VayneAuthority ruXxar (0): Tumblewood (0): Palmar (0): raynpelikoneet (0): Palmar (0): beentheredonethat (0): Eversince (0): Not voted (4): Damdred, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity Half the Sky is getting ready to throw annul out of her whiskey bar. Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted. Wouldn't it be amazing if 5/7 votes on annul? Probably wishful thinking. I'm most curious about whether Xatalos wagon was pure. Specifically Skynx and disformation obvi | ||
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So basically, cop check either Skynx or any of the scummy people on annul's wagon. Xata being the rb is actually sick. There's probably still a Godfather somewhere hiding, but at least we know the cop can't be blocked. If for some reason the vigi didn't take the shot last night, take it tonight. Maybe even claim your shot so you don't shoot the cop check? Idk. Probably doesn't matter considering we aren't likely to have a vigi (unless it was one of the AFK people, for example.) Would appreciate a medic save cuz I'm super duper town. Unless you wanna WIFOM it up. But better to be safe than sorry | ||
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On June 19 2017 08:10 VayneAuthority wrote: tier 1 bad day 1 voting fecalfeast tier 2 rels, grackaroni tier 3 eversince, vivax (?) his voting is odd but not necessarily scummy there has to be 2 mafia in fecal/rels/grack/eversince at the least. Agreed. Can you explain why FF is tier1 bad voting? | ||
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On June 19 2017 08:13 VayneAuthority wrote: skynx actually comes out of this looking surprisingly good, he was 2nd/3rd vote on xatalos which is when a wagon really starts. either a well timed bus or hes just town. Getting a cop check on him would mean annul wagon could be 100% clean though, hes really the only sketchy one there Exactly. Like if we can clear the Xata wagon as 100% town, it basically means the mafia were super desperate and probably had 4 votes on annul. But yea, framer blablabla WIFOM. Or we could just lynch Skynx and prove it the old fashioned way. | ||
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On June 19 2017 08:12 disformation wrote: be a bit careful with checks though. might have a framer. If there's actually 5 mafia, I would be very surprised if there wasn't a framer RB GF Framer Goon Goon + Show Spoiler + omg tmi | ||
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On June 16 2017 08:02 Half the Sky wrote: Final Vote Count - Day 1 annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince Xatalos (6): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflare sicklucker (2): Palmar, Koshi (1): marvellosity (1): Skynx (1): VayneAuthority ruXxar (0): Tumblewood (0): Palmar (0): raynpelikoneet (0): Palmar (0): beentheredonethat (0): Eversince (0): Not voted (4): Damdred, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity Half the Sky is getting ready to throw annul out of her whiskey bar. Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted. Updated | ||
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On June 19 2017 08:24 VayneAuthority wrote: starts day tunneling a ruxxar lynch that never happens, xatalos is also on this train. switches purely to save xatalos at this point, zero explanation. vague post later about his filter, no reason to read it they are on the same team still tunneling ruxxar even though it makes little sense at this point, with token low hanging fruits added nonexistant day 2, majority of his filter is day 1 I would be surprised if he wasnt scum honestly Hmmm. Interesting case. I didn't really ever understand why people were hard TRing him D1. I think it was Vivax/disformation iirc but idk | ||
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On June 19 2017 08:38 Vivax wrote: lol @ VA trying to push mafia on FF. He's probably mafia just for that tbh Question: is there anyone who's actually Town in this game? Cuz all you seem to do is bitch about people generating discussion and call people "probably mafia" | ||
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Fair enough. Just feel like you've been overly obstinate with me for no reason. But it's a two way street, so I'll lay off. | ||
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On June 19 2017 08:54 darthfoley wrote: Btdt is scum btw I'm deadly serious about this btw | ||
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On June 19 2017 08:58 disformation wrote: vivi prolly town. remind me to explain later. could you explain the btdt scum read? Yes. Give me a minute | ||
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On June 16 2017 08:02 Half the Sky wrote: Final Vote Count - Day 1 annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince Xatalos (6): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflare sicklucker (2): Palmar, Koshi (1): marvellosity (1): Skynx (1): VayneAuthority ruXxar (0): Tumblewood (0): Palmar (0): raynpelikoneet (0): Palmar (0): beentheredonethat (0): Eversince (0): Not voted (4): Damdred, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity Half the Sky is getting ready to throw annul out of her whiskey bar. Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted. So, firstly. Let's see who btdt votes for during this entire voting cycle: Koshi, and Koshi only. Who's town. That's only a minor point, however. What's more interesting is if you take a look at BTDT's filter, specifically revolving around Xatalos. I've spoilered it to keep my post condensed, but I've basically control+F'd "Xata" in his filter. From the beginning: + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2017 20:30 beentheredonethat wrote: Xata you're not saying anything in your posts, you're just commenting on things and speculating about 3rd party that's superbad Xata starts out as "superbad." Then, I pressure both Xata with my vote, and I pressure btdt to put his money where his mouth is and join me. On June 14 2017 22:41 beentheredonethat wrote: While I favour the general idea, can you please state your reasons? On June 14 2017 22:51 beentheredonethat wrote: So passive aggressive but for real, my impression is that darth is catching up and quoting and posting where he deems it appropriate. super gut feeling but I think it's town. not only does he think the same about ruxxar as I do, [darthfoley] also doesn't like Xata apparently and I don't like Xata, too Cool. We both don't like Xata. And Btdt is town reading me in part due to our mutual scum read on Xata. I've placed my vote on him already. Btdt hasn't. On June 14 2017 22:58 beentheredonethat wrote: +1 I like this and it reflects what I'm thinking as well. Nice! BTDT likes my case, and it reflects what he's thinking as well. So BTDT "generally favors" my idea to vote/lynch Xata, and likes my case! So what's he waiting on with his vote? Good question. On June 14 2017 23:39 beentheredonethat wrote: So let me summarize 1. you point out how I am fearmongering with regards to holyflare 2. you insist that I do it 3. you do it yourself And then you back off of me, saying you "might have missed some of the context" of my post. Damdred comes on the scum pile for now. So Koshi, xata, Damdred. Okay, Xata is officially on BTDT's scum list, with two other confirmed towns at this point. Which fits into the mafia narrative of 2:1 town:parter scum reads, but again, that's minor speculation. On June 15 2017 17:49 beentheredonethat wrote: Good morning. It's a bank holiday today in Germany and I am spending it with my GF on a wandering tour. I'll probably be in front of a computer in the evening if at all. I skimmed everything besides the last two pages. Koshi looks better, Xata worse. Ruxxar weird. My mind screamed TOWN when I read rayns big post but I didn't like that he disappeared right after. Hf still town. Disfo not town anymore because rayn made me paranoid. Thats kind of where im at. So, Koshi looks better, and Xata, his scum read looks worse. Remember, BTDT only votes on Koshi this cycle-- even though he's "looking better" while his other scum read is admittedly "looking worse." On June 16 2017 15:09 beentheredonethat wrote: This is why the first bad thing was that annul was lynched over Xata. I think Koshi worked his way up slowly but he didn't make it out of scum range. Nevertheless he wasn't second wagon. Xata was a good second wagon. Because Xata is also among my scumreads. I brought up some points early and I think darthfoley cased him, too, and I agreed with him. So yes, Xata is a good second wagon. This is directly after the lynch. Notice how he keeps talking about how he cased Xata, etc. But he N E V E R voted on him. EVER. He left his vote on fucking town!Koshi, who he even said looked "better" while confirmed mafia Xata looked worse. | ||
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Let's not forget how over explanatory this post was for one sentence of Koshi content, in order to justify his meaningless vote on town!Koshi On June 16 2017 02:04 beentheredonethat wrote: This is the thing why I don't buy Koshi's "rage" by the way. Like, when you start a big sentence, people will remember the first and the last thing you said and not the whole rest. The structure used here is "I am obvious town", then blabla reasons "just because", followed up by "you're so fucking blind it's hilarious". Koshi shouldn't put emphasis on WHAT he is. He will always claim town, as anyone would, regardless of actual alignment. But instead, he yells "I AM TOWN", puts the reasoning (which is the IMPORTANT part) right between two seemingly emotional statements I have caught Koshi already as scum D1 and I'm fairly confident here. When I skimmed this morning he looked better but I just skimmed. so, yeah. my vote is good where it's at. | ||
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On June 19 2017 10:30 ruXxar wrote: That's a pretty solid case foley, good work. However, I'm still going to lynch into the people that were on the annul train first. It's nearly 4AM in Norge. Time to sleep | ||
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On June 19 2017 10:10 Blazinghand wrote: I'm awake and highly American. We should vote btdt and write cases on him and see how angry he gets it's s 10/10 experience I hope you're town because you're funny lol | ||
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On June 16 2017 06:30 Koshi wrote: I really hope the town within you guys keep a close eye on the thread and do that last minue Xatalos vote. Except for the 3 people realllllyyyy believing he is mafia he got a lot of pushback. rayn as well btw. and looking at the Xatalos filter he is SUPER FUCKING EASY to vote on if he is town. What a fucking bad filter. So why isn't mafia doing that? God damn this was a beautiful point. Said so at the time, but it's worth reiterating | ||
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On June 16 2017 20:29 Vivax wrote: Nevermind that btdt I thought that the Xata read was before the lynch . You actually had no opinion on Xata for the entirety of D1, or I'm not seeing it. This is really false. Btdt was clear in stating his supposed his "scumread" on Xata as my previous post shows. Anyways, I don't think he's a lynch anytime soon. But keep an eye out for the wily Viennese bonbon | ||
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On June 19 2017 18:01 beentheredonethat wrote: like, xata posted baby seals at some point so he conceded. that makes it super likely that there are scummers on the xata wagon to gain towncred. He conceded because no one bought his fake ass cop claim except for you lol | ||
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On June 19 2017 18:36 beentheredonethat wrote: I think it's possible for darth, skynx and you to be scum Skynx and darth over you though. Let me get some of what you're smoking please. There's like a 0.1% chance I'm mafia yet you say the person scum!Xata "red checked" is more town than the person/main reason Xata died in the first place | ||
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On June 19 2017 18:13 beentheredonethat wrote: two wagons, one scum, one town, and even scum roleblocker. so there must be scum on the annul wagon, yep. and probably one or more scum on xata wagon, being in the qt like "meh, I'll just stay on Xata to gain bus cred" fair distribution IMHO "One or more scum" lol the mafia RB is critical without medic/cop flipped. The idea that 40% of the mafia team, assuming there are five mafia, would be okay with the RB going down D1 just for some town cred is pretty silly. | ||
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On June 19 2017 19:03 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm interested in the math behind this Trump-like "0.1% chance I'm mafia" statement. It's plain bullshit. You pushed a scummer and went through it, congrats, I did the same, except I afk'ed D1 and ended up voting Koshi instead of Xata. Yet you scumread me and claim to be 99.9% town? Lol, stop equating my pushing with yours. I actually voted for the scum while you wasted yours on confirmed town for bullshit reasons of one sentence in one post lol. | ||
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On June 19 2017 21:21 beentheredonethat wrote: My vote on or off Xata was super irrelevant D2. I could've voted Hillary, Trump, Xata or he-who-must-not-be-named. No difference at all. And how is Chezitwo confirmed town? And of course you're right, I cannot equate your push with mine. After all, my push was earlier than yours and you picked up what I said, then you proceeded to get scum lynched. Good stuff but that doesn't make me scum; nor does it confirm you as town. Of course it puts you super high on the town list but given the ease with which Xata went down (no fight, auto, no scum even bothering to put someone else on the table in spite of the Ruxxar bait) I'm not clearing anyone who pushed him yet. I never said Chezitwo was confirmed town | ||
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On June 19 2017 21:33 disformation wrote: though. that bait was like 3mins b4 deadline. how likely is it that two ppl bite? very unlikely | ||
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Really interesting analysis regarding the FF "bait," disformation. I'm still surprised with how heavy Vivax has been TRing him | ||
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On June 19 2017 21:57 disformation wrote: so we basically have 5 ppl with really weak reads on xata voting annul. grack/rels/es/fefe/sicklucker Cop check into that. If there's a vigi, I think vigi should shoot into that, and claim who they're shooting so the cop doesn't check that person and waste it. Plus there's no RB so vigi shot goes through 100% even with a claim. + Show Spoiler + That plan gives mafia the chance to fake claim vigi to scare cop away from checking someone, but that should be pretty easy to spot. | ||
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I've never played with FF before, outside of that cell game 2 years ago, so i'm not sure how he plays. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote: Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter. It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game. I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great. Weird that he wants to vote Koshi while also scumreading annul for his commitment to the Koshi push. On June 16 2017 07:30 Grackaroni wrote: Xatalos was pretty meh. I legitimately don't think he has been any more meh than disfo. The one scum game I remember from him he played a very aggressive style. On June 16 2017 07:55 Grackaroni wrote: I don't have much to say beyond what I've said decently in my filter. Annul seems like a better lynch than Xatalos to me. HF push on SL seems a lot more agenda driven than HF believing he has a bulletproof case. There's really only that one previous line I quoted as to why he thinks annul is a better lynch than Xatalos. Very weak defense right here. This is basically his entire filter btw. Super lackluster Rels: + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2017 08:51 Rels wrote: My thoughts catching up. Will vote marv tomorrow if he still haven't posted. Otherwise ruxxar or Eversince. ruxxar: - "I like it" on a disfo post that didn't deserve any of it. Not that it deserved scum points. But nothing to like in it. - buying SL's red check. Propose we lynch Eversince, then SL if she flips green. No game vision. Gullible. Skynx: - good first post on ruxxar's post where he said "I liked it". Koshi: - didn't understand Skynx' post on ruxxar when it was the best post in the thread yet. Uncharacteristic. Bad. - called rayn's attack on bad disfo a defense. Bad. - good post on BTBT being bad - a Koshi town post "mm Vivax might be mafia" out of nowhere - p35. Lock town. disfo: - pretty gullible. That's scummy. Bought SL's red check. - had a throwaway read on Koshi, HF picked it up, and he had a weird reason to vote Koshi. Weird stuff all around. rayn: - picked up that above stuff on disfo. Good. Vivax: - entered the thread liking Skynx' post. Good. - liking the annul's post I liked. Good. BTDT: - called Koshi town for no reason - turned around on voting Koshi when he decided HF was serious on Koshi - townie posts though (p 21) annul: - calling the HF vs Koshi as it is pretty likely to be (HF screwing around) => good DF: - also understanding Skynx post + doing his own thing (p 18). Dunno why he doesn't like Xata though. Didnt find anything Xata did so far was AI. - nice post explaining why Xata is scummy. Convincing too, the bit where Xata missed Skynx' logic. Damdred: - weird that he starts playing calling some people scummy, when usually he's super unsure D1 and tries to build a "no-lynch" list rather than the opposite. - though he's thinking about the game as a whole. Having a "rayn scum means Koshi no scum" mindset. Even though that mindset is bad, especially D1, it's townie. FF: - liking the question to ruxxar. Is evolving his read based on what's happening. Doubting too, then getting back to it. Eversince: - answering FF's questions about what are the things against rayn, then saying she doesn't see the things against rayn. Weird. Maybe scum and entered the thread with an answer to FF to have an easy good looking first post. Grack: - weird, against sentiment reads, but I can follow them. Good. Xata: - good post on ruxxar. rayn: - LOL butthurt defense in his huge post when it was 100% uneeded, just for the ego. Pretty likely town. So here, annul is good = town. Xata is also good = town. But he likes my case on Xata and calls it convincing. On June 16 2017 07:05 Rels wrote: I don't think Xata is scum. I can follow his logic in his filter. Uhh... okay. Never explains this. This feels like a little TMI from Rels. I don't think Xata was "assuming" annul was town, but I could be wrong. These posts actually make Rels look much better, I think. On June 16 2017 07:16 Rels wrote: and WTF annul if you're scumreading SL way more than Xata why did you vote Xata instead of SL ? When voting SL then: would have put SL over you ? On June 16 2017 07:23 Rels wrote: Don't see a town motivation on annul's vote on Xata then begging Xata to vote SL. EITHER he prefers to lynch SL, then voting SL at that point puts him above him with 1 hour to see what happens OR he prefers Xata, but why the begging to Xata so he votes SL then Doesn't make any sense. Scum. Very likely On June 16 2017 07:38 Rels wrote: No the math fucking doesn't. YES you're one vote less with the switch compared to the main wagon. BUT NOW INSTEAD OF LYNCHING YOUR SCUMREAD IF THERE ARE NO OTHER VOTES YOU RE LYNCHING YOUR TOWNREAD. Without switch: Xatalos (5): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul annul (4): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xata sicklucker (3): Palmar, Holyflare, Vivax With switch: sicklucker (5): Palmar, Holyflare, Vivax, Xata, annul Xatalos (4): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation annul (3): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast I still don't like how Rels discussed annul/Xata early game, and that much of his vote on annul came EoD rather than for reasons earlier. But the logic is sound and much better than Grack's. Rels could still be scum, but he hid his tracks pretty well through the vote | ||
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I mean, maybe annul voting SL would have changed things. But people were already speculating annul+Xata both scum, so him moving to SL would further perpetuate that idea. So town!annul votes Xata thinking that 1) it's more likely to actually save him than moving to SL, and 2) it defends against the idea that Xata/annul are on scum team together. | ||
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17 people left in the game, probably 12 or 13v4 depending if there's 3p. Scum get 2 kp tonight, and there might be 3p KP. So hopefully medic/jk/whatever can save someone. At least we have 2 checks after tonight without a roleblock Theres probably 3 or 4 town roles. Hopefully they don't get shot tonight. I would hate to die before revealing all that I know | ||
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On June 19 2017 22:41 disformation wrote: yeah rels jumped at annul very hard for that. so could be an easy dismissal of the scum mate's wagon and straight onto the first remotely scummy thing he sees. Yea, it seems like it could be a wily veteran move. He jumped super hard on him for that. | ||
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So much inactivity, so much surviving! | ||
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On June 19 2017 22:58 disformation wrote: maybe the 3p have an inactivity virus. you can infect one person a night. the person infected gets a posting restriction that gets worse and worse as the game progresses. the virus is not revealed on flip unless the original host flips. so a virus that makes ppl into survivors that are not allowed to post more than a few posts per cycle. Lmao that would be sick. Except there's only been one night and like 10 inactives | ||
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But yea, he could still be mafia. The only people playing this game are me, disformation, chez, vivax, ruX, and btdt sometimes. It's really frustrating and not that fun, regardless of my alignment. I thought there was gonna be a ton of activity, but this game is more dead at 17 alive than a 13 person D1 mini lol | ||
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On June 19 2017 23:35 Vivax wrote: VA almost solely cause he came out of the blue with the fefe case on someone I'm very confident to be town and laid out reasons for, and rayn cause he lacks townie aggression almost entirely. Person I didn't read much into lately is ES but I still kind of think mafia from D1 stuff. So you don't think there's anything weird about how FF did that bait thing that disformation pointed out? What's the town agenda behind that? | ||
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On June 20 2017 00:06 ruXxar wrote: On my way home from work, so I'll get some more thoughts out later, but just to leave you with my preferred lynch order: Grack. Rels. Maybe ES. It's just super obvious to lynch people on the town train before people on the scum train. If you try to convince me or town that there was only 1 mafia on the annul train I'll be nominating you for the Darwin Award. you or town? fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck | ||
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Hope I survive. Fingers crossed | ||
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On July 05 2017 05:54 sicklucker wrote: hypothetical are fun. what if the vig shot the guy everyone wanted him to shoot n1 :D yea why the hell did VA not shoot xatalos? | ||
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