EPT[N] TL Mafia LXXV
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/67925-tl-mafia-2-gg thats when broodwar was alive though, which was the majority of this forum's traffic. Hell I recognized a lot of people playing in that game purely from starcraft | ||
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I might check out that broodwar remaster they are doing this year if its any good | ||
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My eyes scanned over the place and found myself in a scum's paradise. It was loud and disorderly from the bartender to the poker players in the back. In almost every bar, you could rely on seeing the long paneled bar, usually made of oak or mahogany, and shining brilliantly. Encircling the base of the bar would be a gleaming brass foot rail with a row of leather stools along the bar. Along the ledge, the patrons would find towels hanging so that they might wipe the beer suds from their mustaches. The only thing that looked familiar here was the on-going poker game. Now I won't say that every man in the place looked suspicious, but they didn't all look like angels either. One shady fellow looked to be gettin' along real well with most of the crowd, but something felt off to him about me. There were two older men towards the back of the bar having a bicker as others watched on, leaving me unsure as to their motives. One particular drunk at the bar kept insisting he was a cop to the bartender, which the bartender seemed to ignore. Probably a regular. I was going to need some more time to find the bounty that eluded my senses at this point, and I sure as hell needed a beer. | ||
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On June 15 2017 04:41 Eversince wrote: Assuming your town why would this be? Even if you're 3p I'm not sure how you'd come to that conclusion. That is entirely what mafia would do. It's the only option they have. They know who is not mafia so kicking not mafia is their only option to win. Kind of in their win-con. This is causing me to tin foil a lot and I was trying to wait on a response before I mentioned it. HF pushing hard on you, having no real problem with lynching Rayn, pocketing? easy 'town reads' (after reading up I suspect if I had been around last night alls I would needed to do would have been pop in, vote you, chat a bit and got labeled town ez for at least this cycle.) This is all town motivated in your mind? Commence fight/kill off the 3p Koshi, engage bonus shit fight with Rayn, enjoy town chaos from glorious golden throne as city burns. The last half of my scenario hasn't happened yet. But I would be lying if the thought hasn't crossed my mind. But you're an easy target because you do produce weak reads. You haven't got anyone aside from Palmar? as a possible mafia. And you'd rather quit and get lynched than play. I don't think you're mafia. So that would make you martyr town or 3p. One might be good/bad for town. The prior is only ever bad for town. But it's easy to see why you're being pushed. breaking character to state that this is the scummiest post in the thread so far for me | ||
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On June 15 2017 04:48 Koshi wrote: At least you kept it up for such a long time :D dont worry, the story will continue when actually interesting things happen | ||
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Then, someone was hailed over in the shadow of the bar. Stepping up onto the porch, a newcomer had showed up late to happy hour. Finding his friends in the back, he first strolled up to the counter and demanded weapons from the bartender, an odd request. The three ranch hands drinking next to me rushed out of the bar when they got a good look at him. The bartender went around the back and rummaged around as others were exiting from the back door of the bar. But it was a ruse.. the bartender and man looked up at each other laughing as he came back to the counter to pour him a drink. This place was starting to make some of the trendy themed bars back at home look palatable. I needed a lead. I glanced at my watch, a little under four hours until the real show started. I just needed to lay low until then and try to save an innocent life. The bad guys never did like to play in the light...so it looked like it was time to bring the light to them. "Any of you boys got a light?" | ||
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On June 16 2017 04:53 ruXxar wrote: I asked him a question, and am waiting for a response. Let's say you have a container of plums. Inside it is nothing but plums. You reach in and pull out a disgustingly squishy and over-ripe plum. if I put it back in and just decide to not eat a plum, is that a bad thing in your eyes? | ||
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Unfortunately won't know that for a while. Tricky game number. | ||
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This is night time so you can decide for yourself how fake it is | ||
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I meant AMG slot, that is my dumpster fire bracket that has 1 mafia but its impossible to know where | ||
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1. there is a 3rd party SK 2. The mafia team has at least one older player/leader | ||
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On June 19 2017 05:07 darthfoley wrote: Can you explain what an SK is? I'm too lazy to google serial killer. usually has a vest so takes 2 hits to die at night and kills 1 player per phase. which would mean smaller mafia team and disjointed kills, makes the game harder for town. VIvax disappearing after day 1 is his scum meta and he fits the bill as some one that would partake in HF/koshi NKs if there is no such 3p. definitely concerning. | ||
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fecalfeast tier 2 rels, grackaroni tier 3 eversince, vivax (?) his voting is odd but not necessarily scummy there has to be 2 mafia in fecal/rels/grack/eversince at the least. | ||
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On June 19 2017 08:09 darthfoley wrote: Waiting on that apology from btdt. So basically, cop check either Skynx or any of the scummy people on annul's wagon. Xata being the rb is actually sick. There's probably still a Godfather somewhere hiding, but at least we know the cop can't be blocked. If for some reason the vigi didn't take the shot last night, take it tonight. Maybe even claim your shot so you don't shoot the cop check? Idk. Probably doesn't matter considering we aren't likely to have a vigi (unless it was one of the AFK people, for example.) Would appreciate a medic save cuz I'm super duper town. Unless you wanna WIFOM it up. But better to be safe than sorry skynx actually comes out of this looking surprisingly good, he was 2nd/3rd vote on xatalos which is when a wagon really starts. either a well timed bus or hes just town. Getting a cop check on him would mean annul wagon could be 100% clean though, hes really the only sketchy one there | ||
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On June 19 2017 08:12 ruXxar wrote: I'm interested in the FF case. Please elaborate. On June 16 2017 03:45 Fecalfeast wrote: ##unvote ##vote annul Yolo On June 16 2017 02:52 Fecalfeast wrote: I know xata is a name being thrown around as scummy but i admit i haven't even checked his filter 😎 starts day tunneling a ruxxar lynch that never happens, xatalos is also on this train. switches purely to save xatalos at this point, zero explanation. On June 16 2017 04:58 Fecalfeast wrote: I could vote skynx. Xatas filter isn't great but it doesn't seem scummy to me. He does a lot of commenting on other people's posts but does post a bunch of reads before he goes afk which is helpful vague post later about his filter, no reason to read it they are on the same team On June 17 2017 03:15 Fecalfeast wrote: We have to kill xata and sl ( and ruxxar) first anyway still tunneling ruxxar even though it makes little sense at this point, with token low hanging fruits added nonexistant day 2, majority of his filter is day 1 I would be surprised if he wasnt scum honestly | ||
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On June 19 2017 22:29 disformation wrote: fefe actually has a bunch of interactions with annul and a decent scumread on him. this post says yolo, but he has a lot of interactions/posts with/about annul prior to that. e.g.: Look at it collectively as a progression though. After its proved annul is town and xatalos is likely mafia, he still has this same read of ruxxar mafia. its what happens when you dont want to get on too many people's bad sides and you start stagnating your reads as mafia. Not to mention that first read part looks like a textbook mafia list, 1 town, 1 bus, 1 inactive. If fecalfeast is mafia I wouldnt be surprised if grack is too | ||
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oh man remember when that guy threw out a bunch of random names in the middle of the game? -snip- look at this fucking sick post bro never happens. | ||
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in the last game of this size HTS made them also have a rolecop. So im guessing there is godfather and then one other random role. | ||
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because pushing the fake cop check (aka they make us decide between lynching scum/scum and its suspicious if he stays alive, in addition to him being townie to begin with) is absolutely insane. That's borderline policy lynch unless that's just his usual | ||
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Vivax also scumread ES/me. DF softed blue all yesterday but he wasn't, could be another reason he died besides being very town. So I see no reason to oppose a grack lynch with this info. | ||
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I have always operated from a mechanical standpoint, I don't do convos | ||
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hopefully people ignore that when it happens | ||
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On June 22 2017 02:14 Chezitwo wrote: I do not follow your logic here. It is town v scum and your vote is on grack yet SL will fakeclaim blue? SL is known to fakeclaim random shit regardless of VT, blue, or scum | ||
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Hypocritical but rayn wasting his vote is not like him at all. I hope he comes back | ||
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SL because he managed to lead a lynch on annul over xat grack based on his voting pattern thats about it for concrete stuff. Anything else is objective fluff it would be a shitty lynch if it was consolidated but it should give us good info either way | ||
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On June 22 2017 05:17 Grackaroni wrote: What I dislike about you is that you make smart posts, but you act like you're completely above everything that is happening. I disagree with both of those things, I am literally playing this game as dry as possible. I might have made like one condescending post this game | ||
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and rayn I actually have been lynched surprisingly few times, I usually get shot or endgamed or win as scum in the database it has me as being lynched less then 5 times pretty sure | ||
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Guess I'll need to read some more difficult filters tomorrow | ||
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On June 22 2017 22:34 disformation wrote: @VA: can you explain your d1 scumread on skynx? also where did that read go? cross analyzed his filters in past town and scum games and looked more like scum game. He tends to ask inane questions that lead nowhere as scum and some other things I cant remember anymore The voting analysis makes him look good so it's hard to justify pursuing him | ||
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id say referencing the xatalos/annul lynch is the most concrete evidence we have right now. it remains to be seen whether SL is actually scum or not | ||
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On June 22 2017 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vayne, what did you mean by this on FF: just this: ? in my opinion it is unlikely that xatalos helps start a lynch train on his scum partner that early before we have much of any info, that would be the earliest bus ever. As I always say mafia is a timeline game, and you have to account that most people are not thinking way ahead. Also just the plain fact that ruxxar has posted a lot and seems engaged in the game/lynching although this is not as relevant to my interests | ||
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We are going into day 4 and have only had fake claims so far and little voting info, makes it really hard for me to figure out the game in my style. im at something like chez/dis/ruxxar/BH town palmar/rels/tumblewood/btdt/rayn/skynx/sl neutral FF/eversince mafia, and even then im not that confident on either I see no real way to distinguish anything before we get a 2nd mafia flip either. | ||
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I am town vig and shot SL. Mafia NK either got blocked by veteran or medic saved. Im going to say its unlikely anyone currently posting is mafia as mafia is probably confused as fuck and waiting to see what happened. so FF/Chez are probably confirmed town then. My bad on the shot I guess, he was so close to getting lynched yesterday im surprised he never outright claimed when we likely have a doctor, oh well. Didnt feel like wasting another entire day on him | ||
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and no I didnt shoot for scum I shot for the good of the game. was pretty 50/50 on SL I read past games of his extensively but he just spams regardless of alignment and posts one liners but yea im lynching into eversince or palmar today i think | ||
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I was going to hold my shot again today but figured the game would be boring. My luck that he was also a blue role was there anything else I was supposed to answer? I mean my crumb was obvious as fuck | ||
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On June 23 2017 22:24 disformation wrote: there was a crumb? I literally made 2 posts roleplaying a wild west headhunter | ||
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Palmar/Rels/Rayn are the people left that would kill koshi/hf/vivax early, im not opposed to starting there. I guess you could also throw BH in there although as a replacement its hard to tell what impact he would have. I am also interested in why they went after chez over disinf, guess ill have to go reread who thought chez was town but pushing disinf? I remember that still occurring when it was crazy. I guess I should also consider him as the very active scum but seems unlikely. | ||
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all thats left is rels and eversince who is a potential PR... rels has been on and off this game, I cant decide if hes grack-esque lynch bait or just mafia. A lot depends on whether rayn is mafia or not I guess. | ||
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On June 27 2017 01:41 Blazinghand wrote: I'd be interested in hearing more about these unflippsed associative tell. <--- I thought I'd never say this but it's true its not a long explanation, the rels/rayn shitfight didnt look faked, it was really long. Shitfighting is a great way as mafia to bolster filter and destroy the thread. I also just noticed that rels voted like immediately after xatalos on annul. we have to flip rels at some point, is today the day? | ||
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going to vote for that for now | ||
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Rels is capable of massive filters as either alignment but I didnt even realize hes up to 15+ pages. I think it says a lot that I legit can only remember like 5 pages max. | ||
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He reminds me a lot of SL | ||
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and she tracked rels going nowhere which is meaningless since he was under huge suspicion anyway, but wow at that. I guess that would point towards a more inexperienced scum team | ||
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Playstyle wise and assessing nothing else, BH comes across the worst filter wise. His random freak out was pretty untolerabe. Rels is the sole voter left on the annul train that is not dead. A lot of his filter is simply arguing with rayn or other nonsense. 20+ page filter but cant remember most of it. FF dropped off completely when eversince accidentally confirmed him as town but it wasn't true. His voting analysis was the most sketchy. Vivax said he hard town read him and then died the next day, really the only positive i can think of | ||
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is it weirder that rels remembered that or weirder that rayn was so scared of a doc, i dont know. | ||
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On July 07 2017 01:28 Blazinghand wrote: Scumteam always seems obvious in hindsight. That's easy. Catching and lynching scum before the End Game post is the hard part. Whenever I win as scum everyone is like "yeah in retrospect BH was obvscum"—and perhaps I was, but only in retrospect. its actually viable in this game though since you were the next lynch and we got fucked by some closed setup normal game strongarm bs and yes im salty that a role/echanic I didn't even know existed was in a normal game | ||
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