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On June 16 2017 16:36 Koshi wrote: Look at people like Xatalos, eversince, btdt, grack, marv his replacement. Do not look at people like HF, Vivax, disformation, sicklucker Hi, I'm Chezitwo!
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On June 16 2017 17:07 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 17:06 Chezitwo wrote:On June 16 2017 16:36 Koshi wrote: Look at people like Xatalos, eversince, btdt, grack, marv his replacement. Do not look at people like HF, Vivax, disformation, sicklucker Hi, I'm Chezitwo! Sry for getting marv his spot :D But hi! No problem. I'm here to save you instead of the grumpy old brit.
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On June 16 2017 17:11 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 17:10 Chezitwo wrote:On June 16 2017 17:07 Koshi wrote:On June 16 2017 17:06 Chezitwo wrote:On June 16 2017 16:36 Koshi wrote: Look at people like Xatalos, eversince, btdt, grack, marv his replacement. Do not look at people like HF, Vivax, disformation, sicklucker Hi, I'm Chezitwo! Sry for getting marv his spot :D But hi! No problem. I'm here to save you instead of the grumpy old brit. I have around 7 names that could be mafia. Find 3 that are not mafia and look for 1 more mafia hiding in the shadows. Also people are going to want to lynch you solely based on the fact marv potentially ragequitted :D so gl with that. I will look for the baddies on the weekend. This thread is quite a bloated one and I won't be able to fight myself through it before the next dayphase. I also don't understand your raqequitting narrative since you would have to be present at some point for that to happen. As far as I can see marv was never around since he signed up for this. He probably just forgot about this game entirely.
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On June 16 2017 21:33 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 17:06 Chezitwo wrote:On June 16 2017 16:36 Koshi wrote: Look at people like Xatalos, eversince, btdt, grack, marv his replacement. Do not look at people like HF, Vivax, disformation, sicklucker Hi, I'm Chezitwo! hi your getting lynched! you can be mad at marv post game Why would I? If you mislynch the replacement of a player who hasn't posted for this reason then the blame is on you. I propose you just let me find my groove in this game and if you still think the spot is mafia then you can go ahead and lynch me. Feel free to do otherwise but it is a losing strategy for town.
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100 pages to read, Mr. Koshi is dead. Sad!
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On June 17 2017 18:48 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 18:45 Chezitwo wrote: 100 pages to read, Mr. Koshi is dead. Sad! Just watch it on fox news. Are you gonna be my fox news?
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On June 17 2017 19:06 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 18:49 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 18:48 ruXxar wrote:On June 17 2017 18:45 Chezitwo wrote: 100 pages to read, Mr. Koshi is dead. Sad! Just watch it on fox news. Are you gonna be my fox news? I'll give you the short of it: HF pushes koshi as 3p/mafia. Train goes on koshi. Ruxxar makes stupid posts, looks like mafia / lynch bait. Second wagon gathers on ruxxar. Darth foley has suspicions of xatalos/ruxxar. Decides that xatalos looks worse, and starts third wagon. Ruxxar calls annul/tumblewood mafia. Sicklucker wakes up after afk and declares that annul is mafia. wagon on ruxxar dies down, switches to annul. Holyflare declares that sicklucker is mafia. Koshi train dies as holyflare and vivax switches to sicklucker. Xatalos and annul, being the two main wagons, wake up and start voting for each other. The votes consolidates in the end of day 1, and some more afk ppl who have been afk almost the whole day( eversince, grack and rels) show up a couple hours before deadline and vote, ensuring the hammer on annul. The end. Much obliged. Now I do not even have to read anymore.
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On June 17 2017 19:26 ruXxar wrote:Nice ninjavote. Mind explaining? "marv was afk"
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Sadly it could be more believable if you weren't the designated lynch, Mr. Xatalos.
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On June 17 2017 19:33 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 19:31 Chezitwo wrote: Sadly it could be more believable if you weren't the designated lynch, Mr. Xatalos. Well, I'm already dead by N2 regardless. I'm content even if disfo gets lynched tomorrow - of course today would be preferable so scum would use a kill on me instead. Then you should probably try your best today to convince us townspeople that you are one of us.
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On June 17 2017 19:36 disformation wrote: sry that thing screams super desperate town trying to get one more day.
though i am slightly biased since i 100% know im 100% town n stuff. =D ????
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You mean scum? Because this redcheck is 100 % the correct play for Mafia!Xatalos.
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On June 17 2017 19:40 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 19:35 disformation wrote: got any crumbs? why claim so early in the game and not try to case me to get more info/reactions before claiming midday?
technically i suppose it is not impossible for there to be a framer or some stuff
I suppose you could theoretically be another unaware Miller, or there could even be a Framer role. The odds aren't good at all though in either case. I didn't make any posts on the purpose of claiming my check (or role), since there are always risks. I think my play has been very similar to how I played as Cop last time though (including the EOD D1 events) - can't remember the name now but I can dig it up. Didn't really crumb there either, but my checks were successes either way. Weren't people calling for a vigshot on you? I did not read very closely yesterday but I seem to remember it this way. Seems more than just risky.
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On June 17 2017 19:42 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 19:35 ruXxar wrote:On June 17 2017 19:33 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:31 Chezitwo wrote: Sadly it could be more believable if you weren't the designated lynch, Mr. Xatalos. Well, I'm already dead by N2 regardless. I'm content even if disfo gets lynched tomorrow - of course today would be preferable so scum would use a kill on me instead. Heres the thing. Lynching you and having you flip as either alignment is going to give us more information than disfo flipping as scum. Does it really? If disfo flips scum (very likely), then I die N2, it seems like the optimal situation info-wise. Even if I'm lying, it'd be apparent soon enough so makes no difference for vote information. In any case it's not too bad even if I do get lynched now I guess. Can you walk me through your rationale for your check?
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On June 17 2017 19:49 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 19:47 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 19:42 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:35 ruXxar wrote:On June 17 2017 19:33 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:31 Chezitwo wrote: Sadly it could be more believable if you weren't the designated lynch, Mr. Xatalos. Well, I'm already dead by N2 regardless. I'm content even if disfo gets lynched tomorrow - of course today would be preferable so scum would use a kill on me instead. Heres the thing. Lynching you and having you flip as either alignment is going to give us more information than disfo flipping as scum. Does it really? If disfo flips scum (very likely), then I die N2, it seems like the optimal situation info-wise. Even if I'm lying, it'd be apparent soon enough so makes no difference for vote information. In any case it's not too bad even if I do get lynched now I guess. Can you walk me through your rationale for your check? I guess I already kind of answered that the last post? Kind of.
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On June 17 2017 19:51 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 19:42 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 19:40 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:35 disformation wrote: got any crumbs? why claim so early in the game and not try to case me to get more info/reactions before claiming midday?
technically i suppose it is not impossible for there to be a framer or some stuff
I suppose you could theoretically be another unaware Miller, or there could even be a Framer role. The odds aren't good at all though in either case. I didn't make any posts on the purpose of claiming my check (or role), since there are always risks. I think my play has been very similar to how I played as Cop last time though (including the EOD D1 events) - can't remember the name now but I can dig it up. Didn't really crumb there either, but my checks were successes either way. Weren't people calling for a vigshot on you? I did not read very closely yesterday but I seem to remember it this way. Seems more than just risky. I suppose it wasn't impossible I might have been shot. It wasn't for sure there even was a Vig though, and no way in hell would scum shoot me, and the optimal Vig shot would have been more in the direction of the AFK lurkers than just killing for info, so I wasn't too worried. If I had claimed / crumbed noticeably in the night, the odds of being shot/roleblocked would have increased instead. So, are you going to solve the game today?
Because you put us in a very inconvenient position. Your claim is very suspicious.
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It will take a lot of gamesolving work to convince me not to vote for you, Mr. Xatalos. Be warned.
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On June 17 2017 20:02 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 19:55 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 19:51 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:42 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 19:40 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:35 disformation wrote: got any crumbs? why claim so early in the game and not try to case me to get more info/reactions before claiming midday?
technically i suppose it is not impossible for there to be a framer or some stuff
I suppose you could theoretically be another unaware Miller, or there could even be a Framer role. The odds aren't good at all though in either case. I didn't make any posts on the purpose of claiming my check (or role), since there are always risks. I think my play has been very similar to how I played as Cop last time though (including the EOD D1 events) - can't remember the name now but I can dig it up. Didn't really crumb there either, but my checks were successes either way. Weren't people calling for a vigshot on you? I did not read very closely yesterday but I seem to remember it this way. Seems more than just risky. I suppose it wasn't impossible I might have been shot. It wasn't for sure there even was a Vig though, and no way in hell would scum shoot me, and the optimal Vig shot would have been more in the direction of the AFK lurkers than just killing for info, so I wasn't too worried. If I had claimed / crumbed noticeably in the night, the odds of being shot/roleblocked would have increased instead. So, are you going to solve the game today? Because you put us in a very inconvenient position. Your claim is very suspicious. Worst comes to worst, disfo is just a free lynch D3. I don't terribly mind that outcome since I'm dying soon no matter what. Considering that, I think I'll have some time today to read the game so I can try to leave a legacy. Yes, but the best case is still far superior. We do not mislynch and scum have to shoot you. You should mind the outcome.
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On June 17 2017 20:39 Xatalos wrote: In any case, now I'll be off for some time. Gl & hf I don't get your defeatist stance. There might be a medic, disformation might be the roleblocker.
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On June 17 2017 22:16 darthfoley wrote: Also couple that with the fact a dumb cop might CC Xat instinctively and I'm left with a pretty optimal fake claim play by someone who was already going to die. Why not go 1-1 with confirmed town/cop if you can? Exactly. That is also why Xatalos will have to put in effort to avoid being lynched. He should at least earn that cc if he is mafia. We should not give it to him as a present.
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On June 18 2017 06:29 ruXxar wrote: SL is like a 80% chance of being mafia. While xatalos / disfo is like a 50/50.
I rather go for the safer option. Lynching outside the 2 is 100 % the wrong play. Yes, it is sad that the day will be a little less productive but if you do not resolve this issue now then you are only postponing it. Personally I have to say that this development is really convenient. I apparently caught a cold and it is annoyingly hard to concentrate on this (still not caught up). So everything that makes this day easier or gives me an excuse not to care that much is very welcome.
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On June 18 2017 07:04 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 07:03 VayneAuthority wrote: the correct play here is to lynch xatalos especially after that cop claim I just come from a game where a cop claim happened and people lynched into the cop (who was VT but that's kinda missing the point) how is the correct play in claim situation to lynch the unclaimed guy The correct play is to evaluate who the scummier one is instead of blindly lynching the check.
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On June 18 2017 07:05 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 06:54 Chezitwo wrote:On June 18 2017 06:29 ruXxar wrote: SL is like a 80% chance of being mafia. While xatalos / disfo is like a 50/50.
I rather go for the safer option. Lynching outside the 2 is 100 % the wrong play. Yes, it is sad that the day will be a little less productive but if you do not resolve this issue now then you are only postponing it. Personally I have to say that this development is really convenient. I apparently caught a cold and it is annoyingly hard to concentrate on this (still not caught up). So everything that makes this day easier or gives me an excuse not to care that much is very welcome. I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna go for a 50/50 when I know that SL is very likely scum and is gonna be a problem. Hes almost certainly the scum leader, instructing them on what to do. Just look how he setup the wagon on annul last cycle. If we take out the scum leader, the rest are easy pickings. If Mr. Sicklucker is the scum leader then I am not very concerned. No offense.
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On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 07:05 Chezitwo wrote:On June 18 2017 07:04 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 18 2017 07:03 VayneAuthority wrote: the correct play here is to lynch xatalos especially after that cop claim I just come from a game where a cop claim happened and people lynched into the cop (who was VT but that's kinda missing the point) how is the correct play in claim situation to lynch the unclaimed guy The correct play is to evaluate who the scummier one is instead of blindly lynching the check. 1. Mafia is a guessing game. 2. Mislynches happen super often 3. The moment a claim happens, it's the last way for the lynchee to avert his lynch So a) lynch cop b) lynch check, most likely lose a vt, real cop survives not sure how "lynch cop" is the better option here Where is the difference between losing a VT and an outed cop?
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On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote: this is 1:1 the discussion I had in NSM, where Vivax claimed cop and everyone lynched vivax who in the end flipped town, surprise surprise (VT, but that doesn't really matter here) This anecdotal evidence is not very convincing.
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On June 18 2017 07:16 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 07:09 Chezitwo wrote:On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 18 2017 07:05 Chezitwo wrote:On June 18 2017 07:04 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 18 2017 07:03 VayneAuthority wrote: the correct play here is to lynch xatalos especially after that cop claim I just come from a game where a cop claim happened and people lynched into the cop (who was VT but that's kinda missing the point) how is the correct play in claim situation to lynch the unclaimed guy The correct play is to evaluate who the scummier one is instead of blindly lynching the check. 1. Mafia is a guessing game. 2. Mislynches happen super often 3. The moment a claim happens, it's the last way for the lynchee to avert his lynch So a) lynch cop b) lynch check, most likely lose a vt, real cop survives not sure how "lynch cop" is the better option here Where is the difference between losing a VT and an outed cop? An outed cop can be protected at night, is a confirmed town and an enforced mafia target. A vt is a vt. Think about it with a little more effort. If we lynch Xatalos and he is mafia then disfo is also basically confirmed town, can be protected and is an enforced mafia target. As long as scum has a roleblocker (which is very likely) there is 0 difference.
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On June 18 2017 07:17 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 07:11 Chezitwo wrote:On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote: this is 1:1 the discussion I had in NSM, where Vivax claimed cop and everyone lynched vivax who in the end flipped town, surprise surprise (VT, but that doesn't really matter here) This anecdotal evidence is not very convincing. One day I'll understand why "lynch the cop" is better than "lynch the red-check" one day It isn't. But you need to consider the circumstances and this claim is incredibly fishy.
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On June 18 2017 07:20 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 07:19 Chezitwo wrote:On June 18 2017 07:17 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 18 2017 07:11 Chezitwo wrote:On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote: this is 1:1 the discussion I had in NSM, where Vivax claimed cop and everyone lynched vivax who in the end flipped town, surprise surprise (VT, but that doesn't really matter here) This anecdotal evidence is not very convincing. One day I'll understand why "lynch the cop" is better than "lynch the red-check" one day It isn't. But you need to consider the circumstances and this claim is incredibly fishy. Why would mafia claim when there are like 5 votes on him? now it's more due to the claim and apparently everybody's fine with it. if everybody's fine with something, it's probably scum. Seriously? Maybe because if we do what you say we lynch a townie, mafia survives a day and in the best case the real cop gets outed on top of it. Seems like a very good trade off compared to just going down without all of that. In cases like this there is often an uncontested wagon on mafia.
Why do I have to explain basics like this...
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On June 18 2017 07:20 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 07:19 ruXxar wrote:On June 18 2017 07:18 Chezitwo wrote:On June 18 2017 07:16 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 18 2017 07:09 Chezitwo wrote:On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 18 2017 07:05 Chezitwo wrote:On June 18 2017 07:04 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 18 2017 07:03 VayneAuthority wrote: the correct play here is to lynch xatalos especially after that cop claim I just come from a game where a cop claim happened and people lynched into the cop (who was VT but that's kinda missing the point) how is the correct play in claim situation to lynch the unclaimed guy The correct play is to evaluate who the scummier one is instead of blindly lynching the check. 1. Mafia is a guessing game. 2. Mislynches happen super often 3. The moment a claim happens, it's the last way for the lynchee to avert his lynch So a) lynch cop b) lynch check, most likely lose a vt, real cop survives not sure how "lynch cop" is the better option here Where is the difference between losing a VT and an outed cop? An outed cop can be protected at night, is a confirmed town and an enforced mafia target. A vt is a vt. Think about it with a little more effort. If we lynch Xatalos and he is mafia then disfo is also basically confirmed town, can be protected and is an enforced mafia target. As long as scum has a roleblocker (which is very likely) there is 0 difference. Scum has a role blocker? Slip? You're throwing so many dumbtells it's hard to believe they are genuine Agreed. The guy is really all over the place.
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On June 18 2017 07:24 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 07:22 Chezitwo wrote:On June 18 2017 07:20 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 18 2017 07:19 Chezitwo wrote:On June 18 2017 07:17 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 18 2017 07:11 Chezitwo wrote:On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote: this is 1:1 the discussion I had in NSM, where Vivax claimed cop and everyone lynched vivax who in the end flipped town, surprise surprise (VT, but that doesn't really matter here) This anecdotal evidence is not very convincing. One day I'll understand why "lynch the cop" is better than "lynch the red-check" one day It isn't. But you need to consider the circumstances and this claim is incredibly fishy. Why would mafia claim when there are like 5 votes on him? now it's more due to the claim and apparently everybody's fine with it. if everybody's fine with something, it's probably scum. Seriously? Maybe because if we do what you say we lynch a townie, mafia survives a day and in the best case the real cop gets outed on top of it. Seems like a very good trade off compared to just going down without all of that. In cases like this there is often an uncontested wagon on mafia. Why do I have to explain basics like this... Wait. "If we do what you say we lynch a townie." - TMI. "Mafia survives a day." And how is it the best case if the real cop gets outed for town? This sentence only makes sense from mafia perspective. Jesus christ...
You ask "why would mafia claim" and I show you why mafia would claim. And then you act all confused. Why am I even bothering with this?
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On June 18 2017 07:28 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 07:26 Chezitwo wrote:On June 18 2017 07:24 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 18 2017 07:22 Chezitwo wrote:On June 18 2017 07:20 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 18 2017 07:19 Chezitwo wrote:On June 18 2017 07:17 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 18 2017 07:11 Chezitwo wrote:On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote: this is 1:1 the discussion I had in NSM, where Vivax claimed cop and everyone lynched vivax who in the end flipped town, surprise surprise (VT, but that doesn't really matter here) This anecdotal evidence is not very convincing. One day I'll understand why "lynch the cop" is better than "lynch the red-check" one day It isn't. But you need to consider the circumstances and this claim is incredibly fishy. Why would mafia claim when there are like 5 votes on him? now it's more due to the claim and apparently everybody's fine with it. if everybody's fine with something, it's probably scum. Seriously? Maybe because if we do what you say we lynch a townie, mafia survives a day and in the best case the real cop gets outed on top of it. Seems like a very good trade off compared to just going down without all of that. In cases like this there is often an uncontested wagon on mafia. Why do I have to explain basics like this... Wait. "If we do what you say we lynch a townie." - TMI. "Mafia survives a day." And how is it the best case if the real cop gets outed for town? This sentence only makes sense from mafia perspective. Jesus christ... You ask "why would mafia claim" and I show you why mafia would claim. And then you act all confused. Why am I even bothering with this? That's a lie. You're not answering my "Why would mafia claim when there are like 5 votes on him?" question. You are clearly saying "if we do what you say". That is exactly what I am answering and the second sentence of your post does not contradict this in any way.
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On June 18 2017 07:31 disformation wrote: i think the first quote was supposed to be a btdt one I seriously hope so. I have a limited tolerance for stupidity and he is currently really pushing the limit in this regard.
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On June 18 2017 07:34 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 07:33 Eversince wrote:On June 18 2017 07:32 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 18 2017 07:30 darthfoley wrote:On June 18 2017 07:25 beentheredonethat wrote: ##vote Chezitwo
yep. So now you're voting outside of the cop/red check that you just told us to lynch Yeah but I found scum :> You already had scum between Disfo/Xata and Chez's phrasing for "Mafia might very well have a RB" is a garbage reason to say you found scum and vote outside of it. I am not using Chez's phrasing. You should actually try to read why I scumread Chez here. Maybe you should read my post again and try to understand it this time.
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On June 18 2017 07:37 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 07:35 disformation wrote: i am not discrediting you. i am telling you to use your head and look at xata and decide if you believe him to be cop. I don't believe for a second that he's cop but I'm not lynching a claim over a red check. There's always the possibility that it's just bad town. Ok, makes sense. Forgive me for calling you stupid. This is genius.
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On June 18 2017 07:43 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 07:40 Eversince wrote:On June 18 2017 07:37 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 18 2017 07:35 disformation wrote: i am not discrediting you. i am telling you to use your head and look at xata and decide if you believe him to be cop. I don't believe for a second that he's cop but I'm not lynching a claim over a red check. There's always the possibility that it's just bad town. If you don't believe the claim how can you believe the red check? That's entirely like "I know your lying. But I believe you" No. It's like "I think you're lying, but as long as there's a chance you're not, I'm not lynching you over the red-check you claimed". Then fakeclaiming scum can never lose against you. I will make sure to remember this should I ever roll mafia against you.
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On June 18 2017 07:43 beentheredonethat wrote: because HEY GUYS IT'S A BLUE, IT'S THE COP, AND WE HAVE 2312321321 PLAYERS IN AND ONLY A MINORITY IS ACTIVE
of course I prefer the potential VT loss over the potential COP loss thefuck is wrong with you people I already showed you why there is no difference between the potential VT loss and the potential COP loss.
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On June 18 2017 07:45 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 07:44 Chezitwo wrote:On June 18 2017 07:43 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 18 2017 07:40 Eversince wrote:On June 18 2017 07:37 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 18 2017 07:35 disformation wrote: i am not discrediting you. i am telling you to use your head and look at xata and decide if you believe him to be cop. I don't believe for a second that he's cop but I'm not lynching a claim over a red check. There's always the possibility that it's just bad town. If you don't believe the claim how can you believe the red check? That's entirely like "I know your lying. But I believe you" No. It's like "I think you're lying, but as long as there's a chance you're not, I'm not lynching you over the red-check you claimed". Then fakeclaiming scum can never lose against you. I will make sure to remember this should I ever roll mafia against you. I'm pretty sure that oversimplifying my words will make you right. situation: xata no pressure claims red check OHHHH EVERY LYNCH XATA ah who am I to care about this. Ok, at this point I will have to assume you are just trolling. Holy shit.
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On June 18 2017 07:49 beentheredonethat wrote:Ok guys. Enjoy your shit flinging, keep up the good work see you in like 3 days or so Bye bye! Make sure to return before mafia shoot you for your mad detective skillz!
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On June 18 2017 07:50 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 07:37 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 18 2017 07:35 disformation wrote: i am not discrediting you. i am telling you to use your head and look at xata and decide if you believe him to be cop. I don't believe for a second that he's copbut I'm not lynching a claim over a red check. There's always the possibility that it's just bad town. This is potentially the scummiest thing said today. I've already been over this: if Xata is scum, disformation is basically confirmed town through vote analysis. If we lynch disformation and Xata is mafia, we basically kill someone who was gonna be confirmed town. Grow some gonads. If you don't believe him "for a second", fucking lynch him. Why the hell would the real cop CC the obvious lynch who's most likely scum even before this claim shenanigan? Only a shit cop would cc today. It might be the dumbest thing said today. But not necessarily scummy. If BTDT is mafia then I would be very impressed by this acting performance.
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On June 18 2017 07:56 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 07:50 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 18 2017 07:49 disformation wrote: go ahead lynch me. but promise to send me a picture of your face when i flip green. I love how this implies that I'm town not knowing your alignment super lovely tmi So you don't believe Xatalos's claim for a second but you also believ disformation is mafia. Damn, looks like you got THREE mafia in one fell swoop! I know this is rich coming from me right now but stop taunting him. At some point he will feel pretty silly anyways.
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On June 18 2017 07:58 darthfoley wrote: Anyways I'm glad ruXxar and I baited people into becoming active in the thread. We got like three whole pages off of one sicklucker vote I don't know if ruxxar really did this intentionally.
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On June 18 2017 08:02 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 08:01 Chezitwo wrote:On June 18 2017 07:58 darthfoley wrote: Anyways I'm glad ruXxar and I baited people into becoming active in the thread. We got like three whole pages off of one sicklucker vote I don't know if ruxxar really did this intentionally. I think he did. His bullshit accusation of me EoN was also planned. This doesn't make him Town tho His vote is on me.
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In other news Mr. Palmar really needs to justify his vote.
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I will reiterate that BTDT being obstinant and defending Xatalos is not scummy.
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Where is Mr. Raynpelikoneet? His absence disturbs me far more than the absence of the old plumber. Even though the latter still needs to justify his horrible ninjavote.
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On June 18 2017 23:41 Vivax wrote: Who are you anyway, Chezitwo? I've never seen you before, how do you relate to chezinu? I am in no way related to the Brown. It is nothing but a catchy smurf name.
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On June 18 2017 23:59 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 23:44 Chezitwo wrote:On June 18 2017 23:41 Vivax wrote: Who are you anyway, Chezitwo? I've never seen you before, how do you relate to chezinu? I am in no way related to the Brown. It is nothing but a catchy smurf name. Palmar called you Artanis in Linux mini I see. What was in the Vivax.txt? This account has been used by multiple people. I have no idea about a Vivax.txt.
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On June 19 2017 00:32 darthfoley wrote: Eversince's big post describing stuff that was already kind of apparent seems extra and over the top analysis. Like getting town cred.
ES is not the only one this applies to. I will point you towards BHs over the top outrage today.
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On June 19 2017 00:37 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2017 00:32 darthfoley wrote:So Fromm Xatalos's reads post plus what has gone on in the thread... I think rayn has a greater chance to be scum because of how wishy washy Xata's read on him was. Eversince's big post describing stuff that was already kind of apparent seems extra and over the top analysis. Like getting town cred. But I don't understand why Xata posts baby seals here. Basically ruins all the town cred she would have gotten. Unless btdt/ES are actually scum somehow and trying to be "too dumb/obvious to be mafia." I know who I would check if I were cop tonight. nah, rayn isnt mafia. Why is that if I may ask?
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On June 19 2017 04:03 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2017 03:47 VayneAuthority wrote: did xatalos slip and reveal there is a 3rd party possibly? Nothing really seems interesting about the night kills. I guess he could just be messing with us but doesnt really matter. Once these next night kills come in game should be easy What do you mean that there's nothing interesting about the night kills? I think it's damn interesting following the fact that koshi and HF did not push in the same direction. A HF nk makes sense from SL mafia viewpoint, or maybe more likely, someone trying to frame SL. The koshi NK makes absolute sense. He pushed Xata I'm really surprised that DF survived. He led The xata wagon. So here's how mafia is thinking: Ideally we want to eliminate koshi and DF, but that is too obvious. Town would figure it out right away. Let's instead try to make it look like SL is mafia by killing HF, since HF was pushing SL hard, and SL also was leading the wagon on town annul. Is that about right xata? Maybe. Or maybe Koshi and HF are just extremely solid nightkills in general and since they apparently did not have enormous towncred yet the chance of a medic saving them was not that high either.
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I mean the HF kill obviously looks bad for Mr. Sicklucker but do not overanalyze it.
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On June 19 2017 04:34 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2017 04:33 Chezitwo wrote: I mean the HF kill obviously looks bad for Mr. Sicklucker but do not overanalyze it. Then tell me this. If xata as mafia obviously knows this, why didn't he claim a red on SL? Who knows? There could be plenty of reasons depending on the mafia team. For example disformation could himself be mafia. That is still a possibility if very unlikely.
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On June 19 2017 04:39 VayneAuthority wrote: idk i havent played in a while but whenever SL goes full fidget spinner he's usually town. I dont see any reason to pursue him. I'll take a look at xatalos early filter and cross reference it tomorrow at work Mr. VayneAuthority seems like a sensible man. Potentially trustworthy.
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On June 19 2017 04:49 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2017 04:38 Chezitwo wrote:On June 19 2017 04:34 ruXxar wrote:On June 19 2017 04:33 Chezitwo wrote: I mean the HF kill obviously looks bad for Mr. Sicklucker but do not overanalyze it. Then tell me this. If xata as mafia obviously knows this, why didn't he claim a red on SL? Who knows? There could be plenty of reasons depending on the mafia team. For example disformation could himself be mafia. That is still a possibility if very unlikely. Can you think of any other reasons besides that? Im very curious. Like I said - there could be plenty which I can't know about. But other examples would be that it can be quite hard to mislynch SL and they thought disformation would be easier. Or that mafia thought he is 3P.
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On June 19 2017 05:09 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2017 05:07 darthfoley wrote:On June 19 2017 05:07 VayneAuthority wrote: the only thing the hf/koshi kills say is that either
1. there is a 3rd party SK
2. The mafia team has at least one older player/leader Can you explain what an SK is? I'm too lazy to google serial killer. usually has a vest so takes 2 hits to die at night and kills 1 player per phase. which would mean smaller mafia team and disjointed kills, makes the game harder for town. VIvax disappearing after day 1 is his scum meta and he fits the bill as some one that would partake in HF/koshi NKs if there is no such 3p. definitely concerning. SK doesn't necessarily mean a smaller mafia team. It makes the game harder for both town and mafia depending on what the SK is doing.
We will watch Vivax. So far he acted reasonably towny when he was here.
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We got the roleblocker - how convenient!
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On June 19 2017 21:33 disformation wrote: though. that bait was like 3mins b4 deadline. how likely is it that two ppl bite? Or it was a justification after the fact for refusing to jump on xata despite the earlier post which looks quite poor. How many people were toying with the idea of voting xata at the time?
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On June 19 2017 21:24 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2017 21:21 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 19 2017 20:20 darthfoley wrote:On June 19 2017 19:03 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 19 2017 19:00 darthfoley wrote:On June 19 2017 18:36 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 19 2017 18:17 disformation wrote:one or more? On June 19 2017 08:23 darthfoley wrote:On June 16 2017 08:02 Half the Sky wrote:Final Vote Count - Day 1 annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince Xatalos (6): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflaresicklucker (2): Palmar, Holyflare, Vivax Koshi (1): Holyflare, disformation, beentheredonethat, Vivax, annul, ruXxar, Vivaxmarvellosity (1): Koshi, Tumblewood Skynx (1): VayneAuthority ruXxar (0): Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Vivax, annulTumblewood (0): ruXxarPalmar (0): sickluckerraynpelikoneet (0): Xatalos, sicklucker, TumblewoodPalmar (0): Koshi, Skynxbeentheredonethat (0): KoshiEversince (0): sickluckerNot voted (4): Damdred, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity Half the Sky is getting ready to throw annul out of her whiskey bar. Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted. Updated since everyone but skynx and me on that wagon already flipped that would be quite hard. and while i appreciate some paranoia, i am not sure how you are going to read me as scum outside of tinfoil.^^ I think it's possible for darth, skynx and you to be scum Skynx and darth over you though. Let me get some of what you're smoking please. There's like a 0.1% chance I'm mafia yet you say the person scum!Xata "red checked" is more town than the person/main reason Xata died in the first place I'm interested in the math behind this Trump-like "0.1% chance I'm mafia" statement. It's plain bullshit. You pushed a scummer and went through it, congrats, I did the same, except I afk'ed D1 and ended up voting Koshi instead of Xata. Yet you scumread me and claim to be 99.9% town? Lol, stop equating my pushing with yours. I actually voted for the scum while you wasted yours on confirmed town for bullshit reasons of one sentence in one post lol. My vote on or off Xata was super irrelevant D2. I could've voted Hillary, Trump, Xata or he-who-must-not-be-named. No difference at all. And how is Chezitwo confirmed town? And of course you're right, I cannot equate your push with mine. After all, my push was earlier than yours and you picked up what I said, then you proceeded to get scum lynched. Good stuff but that doesn't make me scum; nor does it confirm you as town. Of course it puts you super high on the town list but given the ease with which Xata went down (no fight, auto, no scum even bothering to put someone else on the table in spite of the Ruxxar bait) I'm not clearing anyone who pushed him yet. I never said Chezitwo was confirmed town bruv...
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On June 19 2017 21:38 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2017 21:33 disformation wrote: though. that bait was like 3mins b4 deadline. how likely is it that two ppl bite? Or it was a justification after the fact for refusing to jump on xata despite the earlier post which looks quite poor. How many people were toying with the idea of voting xata at the time? I mean - how does baiting someone at this point make any sense if you do not even switch yourself? It is all very weird.
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On June 19 2017 21:48 disformation wrote: also took a brief look at some older grack games. dont particular think he look a lot like his old games overall. regardless of alignment. but i wasnt looking very hard cause tired af and reading old filter of games i wasnt even playing in makes me even more tired. xD I can confirm that this grack does not look like the town or scum grack of the past so far. Really weak performance in any case.
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On June 19 2017 22:32 darthfoley wrote:Grack on annul/Xata: + Show Spoiler +On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 06:58 annul wrote: not at all. i am 1 switch away from majority. with the tiebreaker being what it is, i have no choice.
i WANT to vote for koshi/ruxxar since they are both mafia and either is a fine kill. but alas. Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter. It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game. I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great. Weird that he wants to vote Koshi while also scumreading annul for his commitment to the Koshi push. On June 16 2017 07:30 Grackaroni wrote: Xatalos was pretty meh. I legitimately don't think he has been any more meh than disfo. The one scum game I remember from him he played a very aggressive style. On June 16 2017 07:55 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 07:48 disformation wrote: grack comment on the ninja? not complaining though. have a hell of a hard time decicing between annul and xata I don't have much to say beyond what I've said decently in my filter. Annul seems like a better lynch than Xatalos to me. HF push on SL seems a lot more agenda driven than HF believing he has a bulletproof case. There's really only that one previous line I quoted as to why he thinks annul is a better lynch than Xatalos. Very weak defense right here. This is basically his entire filter btw. Super lackluster Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 15 2017 08:51 Rels wrote: My thoughts catching up. Will vote marv tomorrow if he still haven't posted. Otherwise ruxxar or Eversince.
ruxxar: - "I like it" on a disfo post that didn't deserve any of it. Not that it deserved scum points. But nothing to like in it. - buying SL's red check. Propose we lynch Eversince, then SL if she flips green. No game vision. Gullible.
Skynx: - good first post on ruxxar's post where he said "I liked it".
Koshi: - didn't understand Skynx' post on ruxxar when it was the best post in the thread yet. Uncharacteristic. Bad. - called rayn's attack on bad disfo a defense. Bad. - good post on BTBT being bad - a Koshi town post "mm Vivax might be mafia" out of nowhere - p35. Lock town.
disfo: - pretty gullible. That's scummy. Bought SL's red check. - had a throwaway read on Koshi, HF picked it up, and he had a weird reason to vote Koshi. Weird stuff all around.
rayn: - picked up that above stuff on disfo. Good.
Vivax: - entered the thread liking Skynx' post. Good. - liking the annul's post I liked. Good.
BTDT: - called Koshi town for no reason - turned around on voting Koshi when he decided HF was serious on Koshi - townie posts though (p 21)
annul: - calling the HF vs Koshi as it is pretty likely to be (HF screwing around) => good
DF: - also understanding Skynx post + doing his own thing (p 18). Dunno why he doesn't like Xata though. Didnt find anything Xata did so far was AI. - nice post explaining why Xata is scummy. Convincing too, the bit where Xata missed Skynx' logic.
Damdred: - weird that he starts playing calling some people scummy, when usually he's super unsure D1 and tries to build a "no-lynch" list rather than the opposite. - though he's thinking about the game as a whole. Having a "rayn scum means Koshi no scum" mindset. Even though that mindset is bad, especially D1, it's townie.
FF: - liking the question to ruxxar. Is evolving his read based on what's happening. Doubting too, then getting back to it.
Eversince: - answering FF's questions about what are the things against rayn, then saying she doesn't see the things against rayn. Weird. Maybe scum and entered the thread with an answer to FF to have an easy good looking first post.
Grack: - weird, against sentiment reads, but I can follow them. Good.
Xata: - good post on ruxxar.
rayn: - LOL butthurt defense in his huge post when it was 100% uneeded, just for the ego. Pretty likely town. So here, annul is good = town. Xata is also good = town. But he likes my case on Xata and calls it convincing. On June 16 2017 07:05 Rels wrote: I don't think Xata is scum. I can follow his logic in his filter. Uhh... okay. Never explains this. On June 16 2017 07:11 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 07:10 Xatalos wrote:On June 16 2017 07:08 annul wrote: xatalos revote to sicklucker and i will do the same, putting him in the lead I guess I'll do that if there's just no other choice. I don't really see how SL is the best lynch here tho Why do you assume annul is town there ? This feels like a little TMI from Rels. I don't think Xata was "assuming" annul was town, but I could be wrong. These posts actually make Rels look much better, I think. On June 16 2017 07:16 Rels wrote:and WTF annul if you're scumreading SL way more than Xata why did you vote Xata instead of SL ? When voting SL then: Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 06:42 Half the Sky wrote:Vote Count - Day 1 Xatalos (4): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation annul (3): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast sicklucker (3): Palmar, Holyflare, Vivax ruXxar (2): Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Vivax, annul Koshi (1): Holyflare, disformation, beentheredonethat, Vivax, annul, ruXxar, Vivaxmarvellosity (1): Koshi, Tumblewood Skynx (1): VayneAuthority Tumblewood (0): ruXxarPalmar (0): sickluckerraynpelikoneet (0): Xatalos, sicklucker, TumblewoodPalmar (0): Koshi, Skynxbeentheredonethat (0): KoshiEversince (0): sickluckerNot voted (7): Rels, Damdred, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity, Grackaroni, Eversince Half the Sky is getting ready to throw Xatalos out of her whiskey bar. Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted. would have put SL over you ? On June 16 2017 07:23 Rels wrote: Don't see a town motivation on annul's vote on Xata then begging Xata to vote SL. EITHER he prefers to lynch SL, then voting SL at that point puts him above him with 1 hour to see what happens OR he prefers Xata, but why the begging to Xata so he votes SL then Doesn't make any sense. Scum. Very likely On June 16 2017 07:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 07:35 Rels wrote:On June 16 2017 07:33 annul wrote: no, if he switched i actually would too, because he could always switch onto me anyway once he figured out i was bluffing if i was bluffing.
like the math is sound. it is ENTIRELY a self preservation move. i do not want to do this; i would prefer other lynches mmmmmmmmm No the math fucking doesn't. YES you're one vote less with the switch compared to the main wagon. BUT NOW INSTEAD OF LYNCHING YOUR SCUMREAD IF THERE ARE NO OTHER VOTES YOU RE LYNCHING YOUR TOWNREAD. Without switch: Xatalos (5): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul annul (4): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xata sicklucker (3): Palmar, Holyflare, Vivax With switch: sicklucker (5): Palmar, Holyflare, Vivax, Xata, annul Xatalos (4): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation annul (3): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast I still don't like how Rels discussed annul/Xata early game, and that much of his vote on annul came EoD rather than for reasons earlier. But the logic is sound and much better than Grack's. Rels could still be scum, but he hid his tracks pretty well through the vote The thing is:
I read EOD1 - annul was fighting for his life and pretty obvious town in the end. I think both Grack and Rels should be smart enough to see that as town. Rels should also see that self preservation is not scummy in the slightest. He is way overblowing the supposed inconsistency he found in annuls logic. Very convenient thing to push if your roleblocker is on the chopping block.
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Apparently you younguns are way faster than me.
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On June 19 2017 22:48 disformation wrote: just remembered palmar is "playing" this too.
*facepalm*
i think i am ordering a full shooting squad and a full police department. Let me blow your mind even more:
7)Tumblewood
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On June 19 2017 22:52 darthfoley wrote: This game is funny because all the blues besides me and disformation are trying to be scummy to survive the 2kp NKs, while the 3rd party is trying to be inactive to survive, while the mafia are being inactive to survive.
So much inactivity, so much surviving! hehe
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On June 19 2017 23:09 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2017 22:49 Chezitwo wrote:On June 19 2017 22:48 disformation wrote: just remembered palmar is "playing" this too.
*facepalm*
i think i am ordering a full shooting squad and a full police department. Let me blow your mind even more: 7)Tumblewood at least tw has posts with relateable reads: Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 03:13 Tumblewood wrote: notes after reading like 10 pages: i like ever's case on pg 101. so df and rux are 98% town ruxxar continues to be weird and inane - fundamentally not getting the power dynamic. [ACTUALLY his later stuff is solid vote analysis] i like that one rels post on pg 106 sl is insane town. egotistic in an sl sort of way whereas palmar is like: Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 16:39 Palmar wrote: I clicked darthfoley's filter. I don't like it much, and I would expect him to be a relatively easy townread if he was town. I think he is a good candidate for being mafia. Maybe. But doing very little without hiding it is less scummy to me in a vacuum. And unrelatable reads aren't that much of a great scumtell either. I wonder why TW is not more prominent in everyones scumreads considering he totally wasted his vote. On a townie I might add.
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On June 19 2017 23:34 Vivax wrote: Palmar is wildcardy but I can see him as town more easily than rayn even. I can see why he plays with that attitude at least. I've read rayn's big post but it lacks direction. Hope that he posts more and adresses my old issue with his read on Palmar that he hasn't picked up on yet.
BTDT I actually still think is town cause of his actions around Koshi D1. They felt pushy and townie and he was on a wavelength with a bunch of other townies on Koshi. Also the dick posts earn him some town points imo. I really don't think he's mafia right now.
If I ignore ruxxar I'm currently operating under Grack/ES/VA/rayn mafia. Can you explain the VA read?
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I see. I don't think I agree with that kind of reasoning.
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On June 19 2017 23:39 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2017 23:36 Chezitwo wrote:On June 19 2017 23:34 Vivax wrote: Palmar is wildcardy but I can see him as town more easily than rayn even. I can see why he plays with that attitude at least. I've read rayn's big post but it lacks direction. Hope that he posts more and adresses my old issue with his read on Palmar that he hasn't picked up on yet.
BTDT I actually still think is town cause of his actions around Koshi D1. They felt pushy and townie and he was on a wavelength with a bunch of other townies on Koshi. Also the dick posts earn him some town points imo. I really don't think he's mafia right now.
If I ignore ruxxar I'm currently operating under Grack/ES/VA/rayn mafia. Can you explain the VA read? With the little in his filter it's these two reasons atm: - he pinged ES post as scummiest in the thread D1 among the first and did nothing with it, not even explained why. - His case on FF came across as opportunistic when ppl were calling Rels/Grack/ES mafiaish at the time, IIRC. Grossly from memory but at the time it felt out of place and on the wrong person on top of it. Ok, when you put it this way your second point is not that bad providing FF is actually town. The first point seems like standard town!VA to me.
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On June 19 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote: Chezi what's your opinion on the other guys I mentioend? The other 3 can easily be mafia in my opinion.
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It's just that there are so many people who can easily be mafia. Besides TW BH also comes to mind with his unnecessary Xata push and btdt bashing yesterday.
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On June 20 2017 00:56 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2017 22:05 disformation wrote: to be fair i was also tring fefe fairly hard earlier in the game just for tone/effort. outside of his xata read and the strange bait I also was okay with his filter. he also points out that sl's read on xata is crap. though there is the slight inconsistency that he says "well its cool that xata posted his reads b4 afking" and "oh sl is wrong, xatas reads were super stale".
though i normally read fefe the best when i can interact with him a bit. which is kinda hard cause really different time zones.
but i'd really would like him to talk about that bait a bit. I'm here. Regarding the bait I was pretty confident that annul would flip scum and when someone switched last second based on my fake switch I would have pushed them as the next scum. Obviously it was a pretty stupid plan because even if annul flipped scum the person who I baited was town. This is not very convincing. Also it would be nice if you justified a lynch of my spot with something else than "the first guy was afk" which is a hilariously bad argument.
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On June 20 2017 01:07 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 00:56 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 19 2017 22:05 disformation wrote: to be fair i was also tring fefe fairly hard earlier in the game just for tone/effort. outside of his xata read and the strange bait I also was okay with his filter. he also points out that sl's read on xata is crap. though there is the slight inconsistency that he says "well its cool that xata posted his reads b4 afking" and "oh sl is wrong, xatas reads were super stale".
though i normally read fefe the best when i can interact with him a bit. which is kinda hard cause really different time zones.
but i'd really would like him to talk about that bait a bit. I'm here. Regarding the bait I was pretty confident that annul would flip scum and when someone switched last second based on my fake switch I would have pushed them as the next scum. Obviously it was a pretty stupid plan because even if annul flipped scum the person who I baited was town. This is not very convincing. Also it would be nice if you justified a lynch of my spot with something else than "the first guy was afk" which is a hilariously bad argument. ^^^ and it is also very weak if that's the best thing you have against someone at this point. Especially considering we have a whole wagon of people who saved a mafia pr to lynch.
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On June 20 2017 01:10 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:07 Chezitwo wrote:On June 20 2017 00:56 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 19 2017 22:05 disformation wrote: to be fair i was also tring fefe fairly hard earlier in the game just for tone/effort. outside of his xata read and the strange bait I also was okay with his filter. he also points out that sl's read on xata is crap. though there is the slight inconsistency that he says "well its cool that xata posted his reads b4 afking" and "oh sl is wrong, xatas reads were super stale".
though i normally read fefe the best when i can interact with him a bit. which is kinda hard cause really different time zones.
but i'd really would like him to talk about that bait a bit. I'm here. Regarding the bait I was pretty confident that annul would flip scum and when someone switched last second based on my fake switch I would have pushed them as the next scum. Obviously it was a pretty stupid plan because even if annul flipped scum the person who I baited was town. This is not very convincing. Also it would be nice if you justified a lynch of my spot with something else than "the first guy was afk" which is a hilariously bad argument. It would be abad argument if marv wasn't notroious for afkig when he rolls scum The way this actually works is:
Marv joins a game. Is very responsive and talkative in the pregame. Rolls mafia, makes 2-3 half-assed posts and then gives up. Sometimes not even that - sometimes he actually tries! Especially if he hasn't played scum in a while.
It does not work like this:
Marv joins a game and never ever posts again in the thread until he gets replaced.
Either RL got him or he just forgot about the game. Or both.
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On June 20 2017 01:11 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:09 Chezitwo wrote:On June 20 2017 01:07 Chezitwo wrote:On June 20 2017 00:56 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 19 2017 22:05 disformation wrote: to be fair i was also tring fefe fairly hard earlier in the game just for tone/effort. outside of his xata read and the strange bait I also was okay with his filter. he also points out that sl's read on xata is crap. though there is the slight inconsistency that he says "well its cool that xata posted his reads b4 afking" and "oh sl is wrong, xatas reads were super stale".
though i normally read fefe the best when i can interact with him a bit. which is kinda hard cause really different time zones.
but i'd really would like him to talk about that bait a bit. I'm here. Regarding the bait I was pretty confident that annul would flip scum and when someone switched last second based on my fake switch I would have pushed them as the next scum. Obviously it was a pretty stupid plan because even if annul flipped scum the person who I baited was town. This is not very convincing. Also it would be nice if you justified a lynch of my spot with something else than "the first guy was afk" which is a hilariously bad argument. ^^^ and it is also very weak if that's the best thing you have against someone at this point. Especially considering we have a whole wagon of people who saved a mafia pr to lynch. It doesn't matter if it's weak it's what I have. It kinda does matter.
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On June 20 2017 01:21 ruXxar wrote: I'm just trying to gather a list of people who want to lynch grack. Feel free to sign up:
Lynch grack: Ruxxar Disformation Vivax Darthfoley FecalFeast VayneAuthority Skynx Rayn Eversince
No opinion on grack: Palmar Rels Damdred BTDT Blazinghand Chezitwo Sicklucker
Thinks grack is town: Tumblewood Yo, I already said I would be down. Don't slander me bro.
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On June 20 2017 02:02 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 01:46 disformation wrote: random advice time from zen master disfo: ideally you want to have two wagons tomorrow rels/grack for example. ideally you get them both to show up and post/fight. gives more info. also should result in a better vc. gives more info. Somehow I feel like that is very unlikely... You would be surprised how active people get sometimes when you try to lynch them.
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On June 20 2017 06:43 Palmar wrote: Rels is evil!
I have no idea, I haven't read much lately.
I saw darthfoley thinks btdt is mafia, that is an interesting development as I've previously mentioned suspecting both of them. I also should catch up on what sicklucker is doing.
Chezitwo is probably mafia because marv not playing is like 99% because he rolled mafia. Sucks, but replacements are always more likely to be mafia, and in this case it's especially prevalent. So, are you claiming it is normal for marv to completely vanish from TL due to rolling mafia? Because if you are not you don't have a leg to stand on.
On June 20 2017 06:58 Rels wrote: but Grack showing he remembered a random post from Palmar means it's likely he's either scum with marv, or not scum. Cause him remembering this random post means he read Palmar's filter (so he's town) or this post stucked to him 'cause marv is his partner. Most likely Since when does reading filters/remembering things make someone town?
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On June 20 2017 07:40 Rels wrote: Chezitwo you know marv well ? The /in was his last post on TL.
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On June 20 2017 07:42 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 07:40 Chezitwo wrote:On June 20 2017 06:43 Palmar wrote: Rels is evil!
I have no idea, I haven't read much lately.
I saw darthfoley thinks btdt is mafia, that is an interesting development as I've previously mentioned suspecting both of them. I also should catch up on what sicklucker is doing.
Chezitwo is probably mafia because marv not playing is like 99% because he rolled mafia. Sucks, but replacements are always more likely to be mafia, and in this case it's especially prevalent. So, are you claiming it is normal for marv to completely vanish from TL due to rolling mafia? Because if you are not you don't have a leg to stand on. On June 20 2017 06:58 Rels wrote: but Grack showing he remembered a random post from Palmar means it's likely he's either scum with marv, or not scum. Cause him remembering this random post means he read Palmar's filter (so he's town) or this post stucked to him 'cause marv is his partner. Most likely Since when does reading filters/remembering things make someone town? means they're trying to solve the game, or faking it. And my experience playing with scum!Grack don't make me think he's the kind of scum to reread a filter he doesn't need to That's a very low bar you are setting.
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On June 20 2017 07:43 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 07:42 Chezitwo wrote:On June 20 2017 07:40 Rels wrote: Chezitwo you know marv well ? The /in was his last post on TL. so ? If he was scum he wouldn't post again for that exact reason. Do you know him well or not ? Well enough. And if you think marv would stop posting on TL for a month because he rolled mafia then I don't know what to tell you.
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On June 20 2017 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i gotta read them at my morning coffee but i hope they are there by then. I am falling asleep rn. In case i got shot make sure Rels posts the cases. Of course. What a horrible reentrance so far.
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On June 20 2017 07:48 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 07:44 Chezitwo wrote:On June 20 2017 07:43 Rels wrote:On June 20 2017 07:42 Chezitwo wrote:On June 20 2017 07:40 Rels wrote: Chezitwo you know marv well ? The /in was his last post on TL. so ? If he was scum he wouldn't post again for that exact reason. Do you know him well or not ? Well enough. And if you think marv would stop posting on TL for a month because he rolled mafia then I don't know what to tell you. well he ruined a game because he wanted to be replaced and didn't want to play scum. When Arta told him it was not possible he refused to continue playing. Yes, that happened once. So? Did he stop posting in all the other areas on TL during all of this? I seriously doubt it.
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On June 20 2017 07:51 Rels wrote: like, I hated one of your post that was about that, but if you're town you're just defending yourself How insightful.
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Those kills really aren't very helpful.
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On June 20 2017 08:11 Rels wrote: BH didn't convince me. Spending all this time arguing with BTDT that went nowhere He didn't even argue with BTDT. He just needlessly ranted about it way after it happened.
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On June 20 2017 08:14 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 08:11 Blazinghand wrote:On June 20 2017 08:05 Rels wrote: )= fucking doc not doing their job If Doc didn't save DF last night, I wouldn't count on one existing at all. There's zero chance that was a vigi shot, everyone who even gave the thread a cursory glance liked DF. I can say this, as someone who gave the thread a cursory glance. can't bitch about the balance without knowing the setup. But we better have some way to overcome that 2 KP / night. Let's hope for a cop with some juicy checks then.
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On June 20 2017 08:19 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 08:14 Chezitwo wrote:On June 20 2017 08:11 Rels wrote: BH didn't convince me. Spending all this time arguing with BTDT that went nowhere He didn't even argue with BTDT. He just needlessly ranted about it way after it happened. whoa whoa I prefer to think of it as needlessly lecturing about it after the fact, not needlessly ranting about it after the fact. get your facts straight Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 08:14 Rels wrote:On June 20 2017 08:11 Blazinghand wrote:On June 20 2017 08:05 Rels wrote: )= fucking doc not doing their job If Doc didn't save DF last night, I wouldn't count on one existing at all. There's zero chance that was a vigi shot, everyone who even gave the thread a cursory glance liked DF. I can say this, as someone who gave the thread a cursory glance. can't bitch about the balance without knowing the setup. But we better have some way to overcome that 2 KP / night. I predict that we will somehow overcome that 2 kp / night starting night 3. if you can guess how you are a winner At least you are funny.
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On June 20 2017 08:22 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 20 2017 08:12 Rels wrote:On June 20 2017 08:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 20 2017 08:05 Rels wrote:On June 20 2017 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't even know why you are talking about this since you don't even think disformation is mafia... 'cause I don't like you thinking that when I don't. It's not logical to think that it makes disfo super likely town on its own. So I thought maybe there was nothing to it I didn't see. But there is not. Of course it does. If you have followed the thread sentiment at all you would know that the people in this game who needed town credit less than disformation are/were exactly darthfoley. If what you suggested would be true there is no reason to make the "check" on disformation because literally anyone else who is mafia is a better target for that WIFOM than disformation is. Basically noone in the game thought he is mafia other than me. Why does disformation need the town credit (which would be the reason to claim a check on a scumbuddy) over anyone else in the mafia team? You're thinking about it in a backward way. Xata was SCUM and you can't use a scum actions to prove someone is town just because "it wouldn't make sense that it did that ???". And wasn't it you that said exactly that in a QT recently ? No. I have talked about situations where someone makes a case where "this dude is mafia because this flipped mafia guy ignored him all game (or some other crap like called him town for very bad reasons)". This is completely different because this situation with Xatalos is a mafia plan and when it is a mafia plan then mafia tries to achieve something with it. If the plan was to claim a check on a scumbuddy - then disformation (now 100% knowing df's alignment) the worst fucking person in the mafia team to claim the check on. That's literally the opposite situation what you are trying to make it look like i am saying. If you can't understand it then you are just stupid for some reason, or intentionally ignoring the obvious. First, "now 100% knowing df's alignement" is not interesting 'cause you didn't know that at the time. Second, that don't make sense. You are doing EXACTLY what you said you wouldn't be doing. Actually, not exactly, but in the essense that's what you're doing it. Cause you don't know what is the scum team. You don't know their plan. Maybe they thought disfo was the best dude to fake a check in 'cause he was in no risk to be lynched. Maybe they were just trying to get a counter claim. It doesn't make sense to conclude that disfo is town from that. Cause maybe that was the goal - and that goal, that you said was not reachable, you're ironically reaching it by townreading disfo. I don't see this argument heading in any useful direction. Rayns logic makes sense. How about you 2 talk about different stuff instead.
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On June 20 2017 08:23 Blazinghand wrote:you're looking at this in a too surface-level way. pretending not to have read the op, but in a way that only town could have missed (since scum obviously would be aware of their own kp) is an attempt to build towncred via "too little information" (the opposite of TMI, if you would) without actually contributing to scumhunting or taking part in a significant way. In fact, by spreading misinformation or asking for cop claims, one might say it's quite the opposite in terms of actual help. Are you seriously considering my line as "asking for cop claims"?
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On June 20 2017 08:26 Rels wrote: getting tired so I will stop reading filters. I think Grack is town for the post I quoted earlier + that post where he called out the overall sentiement that scum had to be in annul's wagon. I thought the same thing reading those last pages. ##Vote raynpelikoneet Get smart or die. I think accusing someone of not being smart while basically claiming that there is no mafia on the counterwagon to a mafia is a little rich.
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On June 20 2017 08:28 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 08:26 Chezitwo wrote:On June 20 2017 08:23 Blazinghand wrote:On June 20 2017 08:21 disformation wrote: reading the op is powerful. you're looking at this in a too surface-level way. pretending not to have read the op, but in a way that only town could have missed (since scum obviously would be aware of their own kp) is an attempt to build towncred via "too little information" (the opposite of TMI, if you would) without actually contributing to scumhunting or taking part in a significant way. In fact, by spreading misinformation or asking for cop claims, one might say it's quite the opposite in terms of actual help. Are you seriously considering my line as "asking for cop claims"? I think cop shouldn't claim today. What do you think? Pointless question. It obviously depends heavily on the checks.
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I am willing to let BH live for a while if he keeps being hilarious.
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On June 20 2017 16:34 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 16:21 disformation wrote: next meeting in 10 and i desperately need coffee. cu guys later. So who do you think, grack or rels? I feel like they are equally bad, but rels is at least trying, and I like that. Just for that I'm going grack > rels. Rels short posting spree yesterday was horrible. But for some reason not necessarily scummy horrible. I prefer Grack right now too.
On June 20 2017 16:37 disformation wrote: i really didnt like rels spending his time near eod throwing shade in my direction. like he was knowing i was not gonna get shot. though i as scum would have waited until after the day post. wish he spend that time looking for scum. though obv biased. will reread grack and rels once more later and decide then. maybe ill just vote rels to have a second wagon. He did not throw shade in your direction but he very pointlessly argued with rayn about you. The whole discussion was a total waste of space.
On June 20 2017 16:43 ruXxar wrote: I just hope we can get the vote trains going early so that we have good enough time to pressure.
I don't want any last hour clown fiesta vote mixup.
On June 20 2017 18:17 ruXxar wrote: Lynch grack: Ruxxar Disformation Vivax Darthfoley FecalFeast VayneAuthority Skynx Rayn Eversince Chezitwo Sicklucker
No opinion on grack: Palmar BTDT Blazinghand
Thinks grack is town: Tumblewood Rels
People voting for grack(automatic town pile for today): Ruxxar Fefe
Come get your town reads! I ain't cheap, all you have to do is vote for grack. Alright then, boss.
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On June 20 2017 18:28 beentheredonethat wrote: I am pretty sure disformation is scum.
Yes, he's all over the place, activity wise. But what happened so far? Scum killed activity. They killed HF, they killed Koshi, now they killed darthfoley. The Vivax kill doesn't match the pattern so either he was onto something OR they simply couldn't kill disformation because he's part of the team. Vivax townread me and was super eager to kill Grack - but there's not really something about disfo in his filter, boom my theory falls apart lol They killed activity, yes. But they also killed widely townread people with threadpull and Vivax certainly fits that description.
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It is quite likely that mafia thinks they can influence disformation much easier than Vivax or darthfoley. Him not being shot is nothing to worry about (no offense).
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On June 20 2017 18:31 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 18:30 Chezitwo wrote:On June 20 2017 18:28 beentheredonethat wrote: I am pretty sure disformation is scum.
Yes, he's all over the place, activity wise. But what happened so far? Scum killed activity. They killed HF, they killed Koshi, now they killed darthfoley. The Vivax kill doesn't match the pattern so either he was onto something OR they simply couldn't kill disformation because he's part of the team. Vivax townread me and was super eager to kill Grack - but there's not really something about disfo in his filter, boom my theory falls apart lol They killed activity, yes. But they also killed widely townread people with threadpull and Vivax certainly fits that description. Vivax had threadpull? His filter says otherwise No, it doesn't.
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On June 20 2017 18:39 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 18:37 disformation wrote:On June 20 2017 18:32 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 20 2017 18:22 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 20 2017 17:02 disformation wrote:On June 20 2017 16:54 beentheredonethat wrote: My disfo senses are tingling How is he who is close to conftown not dead geez. i wonder which scummer woudlnt shoot me. On June 14 2017 22:41 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 14 2017 22:38 disformation wrote:On June 14 2017 22:28 beentheredonethat wrote: Disfo, why buddy so hard with HF from the get-go? Given you're behaviour, you're super confident he's town.
I townread him currently, too, so does Koshi. w00t w00t I WISH I was super confident he's town. =D Not gonna lie: I like playing with HF and it would be cool to have a mindmeld over that koshi thing. But I also mentioned that I feel like a bunch of ppl are buddying in my direction so I am a bit paranoid. I love buddying up to you when I'm scum because you're super easy to buddy. Like "be nice to disfo and he'll either townread you or give you 1000000 chances to justify yourself". You're not confident about your reads. You're super good at establishing yourself as town but you're not so good at scumhunting. While I do suck at both :D =p And what's your exact point hey disfo what was the purpose of your post when you yourself gave answers to your question? you know besides throwing shade at me are you dumb? *hands mirror*
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It would be impressive if btdt is mafia. Very rarely have I seen someone push mafia agenda so openly like he does in this game. He probably isn't scum though.
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On June 20 2017 20:01 disformation wrote: kinda 50/50 on whether i should say fuck this game tbh Chill you aren't in danger of being lynched because one guy calls you mafia. Just do your thing and shrugg it off.
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On June 20 2017 20:14 disformation wrote: the "putting words in my mouth to fit his narrative" in part #5 is also real stronk. Anyways, we are not lynching either of you 2 so you should both probably ignore each other for a while.
Currently we are lynching the Gracken. Alternatives consist of SL, TW and other underwhelming people but not of btdt or disformation. A Palmar wagon could also be useful given his total negligence of the game.
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On June 20 2017 21:36 Rels wrote: Palmar is going to be lynched at some point if he continues playing like that. From what I've seen he can absolutely be town. Or scum, but it proves nothing.
That's why you need to try and lynch him at some point. Preferably during the week.
On June 20 2017 22:31 beentheredonethat wrote: sicklucker has actually accumulated 12 pages of filter So what? A SL wagon is fine too.
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On June 20 2017 22:40 Rels wrote: @BTDT we're not lynching Palmar 'cause he did nothing scummy and some other people did. Filter length is something to consider but is not an absolute measure. Yeah, basically this. But we should not allow Palmar to keep this up either regardless of his alignment.
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On June 20 2017 22:44 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 22:41 Chezitwo wrote:On June 20 2017 22:40 Rels wrote: @BTDT we're not lynching Palmar 'cause he did nothing scummy and some other people did. Filter length is something to consider but is not an absolute measure. Yeah, basically this. But we should not allow Palmar to keep this up either regardless of his alignment. Surely the stern facial expression will make me snap out of it. Apparently it did :D
On June 20 2017 22:46 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 07:40 Chezitwo wrote:On June 20 2017 06:43 Palmar wrote: Rels is evil!
I have no idea, I haven't read much lately.
I saw darthfoley thinks btdt is mafia, that is an interesting development as I've previously mentioned suspecting both of them. I also should catch up on what sicklucker is doing.
Chezitwo is probably mafia because marv not playing is like 99% because he rolled mafia. Sucks, but replacements are always more likely to be mafia, and in this case it's especially prevalent. So, are you claiming it is normal for marv to completely vanish from TL due to rolling mafia? Because if you are not you don't have a leg to stand on. Yes, that is exactly what I am claiming. How am I supposed to believe that a guy like this:
On June 16 2017 07:40 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 07:37 Koshi wrote:On June 16 2017 07:36 Fecalfeast wrote: Shenannie onto marv?
😇I'm only half joking nha. 0 posts is not his mafia style. He has some dignity and respect for the game. He had, tbh. He's the guy who just quit a game because he rolled mafia, as much as I like him (I love the guy, he's by far guy I've interacted most with outside of mafia that I've met here) he has been rather sketchy in his appearances lately. If anything his silence does point to him being mafia (or simply having forgotten about the game). does not realize that marvs universal TL absence is obviously not connected to a mafia game he signed up for ages ago? Walk me through this. Do you actually believe marv would stop himself from posting on this forum because of this game? Not to mention that he stopped posting way before it started and he could know his alignment.
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On June 20 2017 23:53 disformation wrote: well the grack case is kinda: underwhelming as fuck hammered annul I think the first point is far more important here but yeah.
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Jesus, VA is almost too reasonable/amiable to be town.
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On June 21 2017 02:41 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 02:40 ruXxar wrote: @BH
Right now I feel like you're just dickwaving quotes around. Can you get to some conclusions on scum/town? A list would be great. nope. fuck list posts. in fact, literally for this post, i'm voting you, because you're asking for a list post, i've decided you're more scum than Rels yawn...
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On June 21 2017 03:30 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 23:27 Chezitwo wrote:On June 20 2017 22:44 Palmar wrote:On June 20 2017 22:41 Chezitwo wrote:On June 20 2017 22:40 Rels wrote: @BTDT we're not lynching Palmar 'cause he did nothing scummy and some other people did. Filter length is something to consider but is not an absolute measure. Yeah, basically this. But we should not allow Palmar to keep this up either regardless of his alignment. Surely the stern facial expression will make me snap out of it. Apparently it did :D On June 20 2017 22:46 Palmar wrote:On June 20 2017 07:40 Chezitwo wrote:On June 20 2017 06:43 Palmar wrote: Rels is evil!
I have no idea, I haven't read much lately.
I saw darthfoley thinks btdt is mafia, that is an interesting development as I've previously mentioned suspecting both of them. I also should catch up on what sicklucker is doing.
Chezitwo is probably mafia because marv not playing is like 99% because he rolled mafia. Sucks, but replacements are always more likely to be mafia, and in this case it's especially prevalent. So, are you claiming it is normal for marv to completely vanish from TL due to rolling mafia? Because if you are not you don't have a leg to stand on. Yes, that is exactly what I am claiming. How am I supposed to believe that a guy like this: On June 16 2017 07:40 Palmar wrote:On June 16 2017 07:37 Koshi wrote:On June 16 2017 07:36 Fecalfeast wrote: Shenannie onto marv?
😇I'm only half joking nha. 0 posts is not his mafia style. He has some dignity and respect for the game. He had, tbh. He's the guy who just quit a game because he rolled mafia, as much as I like him (I love the guy, he's by far guy I've interacted most with outside of mafia that I've met here) he has been rather sketchy in his appearances lately. If anything his silence does point to him being mafia (or simply having forgotten about the game). does not realize that marvs universal TL absence is obviously not connected to a mafia game he signed up for ages ago? Walk me through this. Do you actually believe marv would stop himself from posting on this forum because of this game? Not to mention that he stopped posting way before it started and he could know his alignment. marv barely posts outside tl mafia at all, like his entire tl existence is basically tl mafia. Well, a click on his profile tells a different story. And even if it was just TL mafia the point still stands and you know it.
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On June 21 2017 03:11 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 21:23 Rels wrote: SL / BH rayn / ruxxar / Skynx Palmar / Chezitwo / VA ES / FF / Tumble / Grack BTDT / disfo
That makes me feel good. This makes sense. So there are 5 scumreads here, lets see the reasonings behind them. Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 21:20 Rels wrote: OK I'm done with my free time. Let's get a wagon starting on sicklucker. ##Vote sicklucker Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 20:54 Rels wrote:sicklucker being this motivated for a D1 lynch is pretty weird. + he didn't react the way I would expect him to HF pushing him. Remained strangely calm and collected for him while still trying to get annul lynched. Usually that's where he becomes super townie, by having sprayed of posts that are strange and genius at the same time. Didn't happened there. Didn't happen everywhere in his filter. On June 16 2017 07:58 sicklucker wrote:On June 16 2017 07:58 Holyflare wrote: just realise that sicklucker just said annul has towny sounding posts just now and has absolutely no real reason to scum read annul but is voting him over xata who he doesn't even realise doesn't scum read rayn i said very slightly convincing plz... And HF is killed N1 despite being a likely doc protect. + it might be pretty ironic for me to say that against him. But at EOD1 I doubted my vote hardcore because of some annul posts and almsot switched to Xata. SL might be the best player at reading those situations, but he didn't switch, and didn't even show it made him think. Like, I would have expected him to play at least like he described I did: On June 16 2017 21:15 sicklucker wrote:On June 16 2017 11:50 darthfoley wrote: Rels also looks problematic given his enter the thread, procede to not vote then voted as the 5th on annul to tie it 5-5.
Not like I Rels out from a mile away na rels is alright his logic was good he looked hesitant at the end too + after that I become one of his main target despite being one of his main townread for no reason other than "let's lynch in the annul wagon". I think I wanna lynch SL. What's good too is that if he's town it should become obvious. Meta read is irrelevant here, sl is just a troll he can do anything in D1 and wouldn't prolly be ai. Second point is very ironic yeah i dunno whats your point here? If you're scumreading sl for that doesn't that makes you scum aswell??? You became everyone's main target because your filter was bad until today started basically. I can kinda see why he tr you earlier with your early list and everything. Are you just bussing sl?? Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 08:11 Rels wrote: BH didn't convince me. Spending all this time arguing with BTDT that went nowhere Pretty much all about BH to make him his equally hardest scumread. Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 21:16 Rels wrote:On June 17 2017 00:54 Skynx wrote: Anyway for sure 1 scum between sl/fefe/rux. They all look equally bad dunno where to start. Grack ninja vote is terrible. Eversince and Rels keep going down in ranks but i havent read their eod properly yet. Other terrible votes off train are btdt and TW. Maybe Vivax aswell but i think he is town. My plan is to also ignore HF and Palmar for a bit. They can be any alignment and so far pretty useless, too high level stuff for me. VA can go suck a dick. rayn is a mystery
I think tomorrow we can start the lynch with grack or any of first trio that started the train.
Updated townlist: disfo, df, damdred, Koshi, Vivax
Sl/ruxxar/tw/btdt/HF for postgame cred Don't like the bolded though. An easy list to make the seems good but does nothing. On June 20 2017 02:10 Skynx wrote:Starting my annul train series with the first trio of sl/ruxxar/fefe On June 16 2017 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote: I think if we're letting rucksack live we should kill annul On June 16 2017 03:11 sicklucker wrote: ##vote annul i agree nice ninja ff you get a cheap townread. I just voted him after reading his filter
Got one boys and im super trendy because no one voted him yet so bonus points On June 16 2017 03:12 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2017 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote: I think if we're letting rucksack live we should kill annul I'm down. On June 16 2017 07:23 Rels wrote: Don't see a town motivation on annul's vote on Xata then begging Xata to vote SL. EITHER he prefers to lynch SL, then voting SL at that point puts him above him with 1 hour to see what happens OR he prefers Xata, but why the begging to Xata so he votes SL then Doesn't make any sense. Scum. Very likely On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote:On June 16 2017 06:58 annul wrote: not at all. i am 1 switch away from majority. with the tiebreaker being what it is, i have no choice.
i WANT to vote for koshi/ruxxar since they are both mafia and either is a fine kill. but alas. Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter. It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game. I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great. On June 16 2017 07:45 Eversince wrote: This is going to make me look like garbage.
I haven't read anything since pg 35ish. Give me the the rough of what's happen between now and then for Xata, Annul, and SL.
I don't have time to fact check so my vote is entirely blind at this point. Don't know where to begin... On June 20 2017 02:24 Skynx wrote: Everyone on the train had terrible reasons for voting annul. Makes it kinda harder to analyze, scum could be all there tbf. No one had an outstanding read on Xata either, mainly this and that. All 6 I'd lynch 1 by 1 except Ruxxar maybe as he's picking up the game. On June 20 2017 02:30 Skynx wrote: One thing I noted tho, when it was 6-5 to annul, Eversince came late into thread and claimed he's clueless with that post but he took another 12 mins to think about who to vote. From a town point, if you're clueless, making the train 6-6 shouldn't really bother you but if you're scum you're literally offering your RB on a silver platter. On June 20 2017 02:47 Skynx wrote: I feel like few votes on him and Grack will start spilling all the beans. And this looks like he started fabricating a vote analyze but didn't know how to do it. There is nothing there. Like the bolded above, he points that every reasonning is bad and he wants to lynch every player. No game solving there. Not trying to push game forward and all. I didn't understand anything from rayn interaction, I assume they are disagreeing on reads? Ruxxar pretty much the same I don't get the sr but apparently you sr him from very early on, why not vote him when he had bunch of people on him?? There is a general lack of structure in these scumreads, he reads the game thats for sure but he just quotes posts and makes up bunch of reasons out of nowhere. Lets look at the townreads, I actually found the one about Grack Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 06:58 Rels wrote: but Grack showing he remembered a random post from Palmar means it's likely he's either scum with marv, or not scum. Cause him remembering this random post means he read Palmar's filter (so he's town) or this post stucked to him 'cause marv is his partner. Most likely This is just laughable, Grack has arguably the worst filter in the game along with ES and gets the easiest tr based on something so superficial. Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 20:27 Rels wrote:On June 20 2017 19:49 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm on page 11. I have to admit that his N1 looks very good, especially asking the vig shot to be directed towards Xata. However, Xata doesn't die, so either vig didn't shoot or mafia has a protection mechanic or the roleblock got lucky? Hm, speculations. I'd say scum has a protective mechanic looooool never scum. BTDT is never ever scum. This is him solving the game right there. Speculating that the scumteam might have a prot role 'cause it fits with his belief that disfo is scum. I'm never ever voting him. Sry BTDT but I'm not convinced at all by your case. Apart from point 1 which is what annoyed me about disfo at the beginning. But the rest is him being disfo. Doesn't make him scum. More easy tr's, did you even read rest of btdt filter? He's not making 1 bit of sense since start of the game and above post can be very easily fabricated by mafia. I don't even think I'd come up with this one if i was really trying hard to tr btdt. Concluding point: Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 21:00 Rels wrote:Actually I just did. On June 15 2017 00:18 Tumblewood wrote:On June 15 2017 00:14 Koshi wrote:On June 15 2017 00:12 Tumblewood wrote: so far i'm thinking ruxxar and disfo have basically dumbtelled by taking sl's claim at fake value. unless i am actually operating on way less irony than them Don't think they are dumbtelled town for believing a claim. They are more likely town if SL is mafia. or what do you mean? believing the claim requires not realizing that sl just made that up. and if rux or disfo are mafia then they should figure that out because it doesn't reconcile at all with the information that they have. i think there's a corner case of this where they're mafia with eversince, but i figure they are still probably town. and if sl is mafia... idk, at least disfo is kinda scrubby and might take it as a legit fakeclaim this is kinda townie Nothing else stands out of to me as town or scum. The activity is bad ofc though. I want him to play more. Mind you he makes a similar post about me but I'm still scum and TW is town???? Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 21:08 Rels wrote:On June 16 2017 03:39 Skynx wrote: Koshi is not screaming and calling this town shit, he might be mafia actually this is kinda townie. Weird thing to say to a town leader that is obviously not getting lynched Like wtf? He just finds reasons in his universe that makes someone town or scum but apparently they don't apply to everyone in same value. It is most clearly seen in sl and simple tr on me and tw. I just can't follow any of his reads, sorry.##Vote: Rels Is it just me or is this last line really out of place? And if Grack has arguably the worst filter in the game how come you aren't on board with killing him?
On June 21 2017 03:36 Skynx wrote:Disfo might be mafia at this point purely cuz of association. Him not dying after N2 is just madness. Framing redcheck on him by fellow mafia for pure WIFOM. Now that there is only me and him on original Xata train, he accuses me for being mafia whereas his main reason for voting Xata is sheeping my case and he has absolutely no idea on Xata otherwise. Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 03:41 disformation wrote:On June 16 2017 03:40 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2017 03:38 disformation wrote: switched to xata. i feel like voting with skynx and df. rather than with annul and ruxxar. Excuse me? you are a pretty big question mark. skynx and df are big town reads. skynx had a good post on xata Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 03:42 Koshi wrote: Disformation voting Xatalos when annul is moving up the lynchlist.
Interesting? Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 03:43 Koshi wrote: @disformation
Where do you have anything on Xatalos in your filter? Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 03:52 Holyflare wrote: Did you read xata's filter and conclude something before you voted him disfo? Where are the posts? This is also a really bad post. There is literally nothing insane about disformation surviving the night.
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On June 21 2017 03:45 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 03:36 Skynx wrote:Disfo might be mafia at this point purely cuz of association. Him not dying after N2 is just madness. Framing redcheck on him by fellow mafia for pure WIFOM. Now that there is only me and him on original Xata train, he accuses me for being mafia whereas his main reason for voting Xata is sheeping my case and he has absolutely no idea on Xata otherwise. On June 16 2017 03:41 disformation wrote:On June 16 2017 03:40 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2017 03:38 disformation wrote: switched to xata. i feel like voting with skynx and df. rather than with annul and ruxxar. Excuse me? you are a pretty big question mark. skynx and df are big town reads. skynx had a good post on xata On June 16 2017 03:42 Koshi wrote: Disformation voting Xatalos when annul is moving up the lynchlist.
Interesting? On June 16 2017 03:43 Koshi wrote: @disformation
Where do you have anything on Xatalos in your filter? On June 16 2017 03:52 Holyflare wrote: Did you read xata's filter and conclude something before you voted him disfo? Where are the posts? Wow.. this looks solid. Not sure if serious.
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On June 21 2017 03:51 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 03:48 Chezitwo wrote:On June 21 2017 03:11 Skynx wrote:On June 20 2017 21:23 Rels wrote: SL / BH rayn / ruxxar / Skynx Palmar / Chezitwo / VA ES / FF / Tumble / Grack BTDT / disfo
That makes me feel good. This makes sense. So there are 5 scumreads here, lets see the reasonings behind them. On June 20 2017 21:20 Rels wrote: OK I'm done with my free time. Let's get a wagon starting on sicklucker. ##Vote sicklucker On June 20 2017 20:54 Rels wrote:sicklucker being this motivated for a D1 lynch is pretty weird. + he didn't react the way I would expect him to HF pushing him. Remained strangely calm and collected for him while still trying to get annul lynched. Usually that's where he becomes super townie, by having sprayed of posts that are strange and genius at the same time. Didn't happened there. Didn't happen everywhere in his filter. On June 16 2017 07:58 sicklucker wrote:On June 16 2017 07:58 Holyflare wrote: just realise that sicklucker just said annul has towny sounding posts just now and has absolutely no real reason to scum read annul but is voting him over xata who he doesn't even realise doesn't scum read rayn i said very slightly convincing plz... And HF is killed N1 despite being a likely doc protect. + it might be pretty ironic for me to say that against him. But at EOD1 I doubted my vote hardcore because of some annul posts and almsot switched to Xata. SL might be the best player at reading those situations, but he didn't switch, and didn't even show it made him think. Like, I would have expected him to play at least like he described I did: On June 16 2017 21:15 sicklucker wrote:On June 16 2017 11:50 darthfoley wrote: Rels also looks problematic given his enter the thread, procede to not vote then voted as the 5th on annul to tie it 5-5.
Not like I Rels out from a mile away na rels is alright his logic was good he looked hesitant at the end too + after that I become one of his main target despite being one of his main townread for no reason other than "let's lynch in the annul wagon". I think I wanna lynch SL. What's good too is that if he's town it should become obvious. Meta read is irrelevant here, sl is just a troll he can do anything in D1 and wouldn't prolly be ai. Second point is very ironic yeah i dunno whats your point here? If you're scumreading sl for that doesn't that makes you scum aswell??? You became everyone's main target because your filter was bad until today started basically. I can kinda see why he tr you earlier with your early list and everything. Are you just bussing sl?? On June 20 2017 08:11 Rels wrote: BH didn't convince me. Spending all this time arguing with BTDT that went nowhere Pretty much all about BH to make him his equally hardest scumread. On June 20 2017 21:16 Rels wrote:On June 17 2017 00:54 Skynx wrote: Anyway for sure 1 scum between sl/fefe/rux. They all look equally bad dunno where to start. Grack ninja vote is terrible. Eversince and Rels keep going down in ranks but i havent read their eod properly yet. Other terrible votes off train are btdt and TW. Maybe Vivax aswell but i think he is town. My plan is to also ignore HF and Palmar for a bit. They can be any alignment and so far pretty useless, too high level stuff for me. VA can go suck a dick. rayn is a mystery
I think tomorrow we can start the lynch with grack or any of first trio that started the train.
Updated townlist: disfo, df, damdred, Koshi, Vivax
Sl/ruxxar/tw/btdt/HF for postgame cred Don't like the bolded though. An easy list to make the seems good but does nothing. On June 20 2017 02:10 Skynx wrote:Starting my annul train series with the first trio of sl/ruxxar/fefe On June 16 2017 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote: I think if we're letting rucksack live we should kill annul On June 16 2017 03:11 sicklucker wrote: ##vote annul i agree nice ninja ff you get a cheap townread. I just voted him after reading his filter
Got one boys and im super trendy because no one voted him yet so bonus points On June 16 2017 03:12 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2017 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote: I think if we're letting rucksack live we should kill annul I'm down. On June 16 2017 07:23 Rels wrote: Don't see a town motivation on annul's vote on Xata then begging Xata to vote SL. EITHER he prefers to lynch SL, then voting SL at that point puts him above him with 1 hour to see what happens OR he prefers Xata, but why the begging to Xata so he votes SL then Doesn't make any sense. Scum. Very likely On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote:On June 16 2017 06:58 annul wrote: not at all. i am 1 switch away from majority. with the tiebreaker being what it is, i have no choice.
i WANT to vote for koshi/ruxxar since they are both mafia and either is a fine kill. but alas. Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter. It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game. I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great. On June 16 2017 07:45 Eversince wrote: This is going to make me look like garbage.
I haven't read anything since pg 35ish. Give me the the rough of what's happen between now and then for Xata, Annul, and SL.
I don't have time to fact check so my vote is entirely blind at this point. Don't know where to begin... On June 20 2017 02:24 Skynx wrote: Everyone on the train had terrible reasons for voting annul. Makes it kinda harder to analyze, scum could be all there tbf. No one had an outstanding read on Xata either, mainly this and that. All 6 I'd lynch 1 by 1 except Ruxxar maybe as he's picking up the game. On June 20 2017 02:30 Skynx wrote: One thing I noted tho, when it was 6-5 to annul, Eversince came late into thread and claimed he's clueless with that post but he took another 12 mins to think about who to vote. From a town point, if you're clueless, making the train 6-6 shouldn't really bother you but if you're scum you're literally offering your RB on a silver platter. On June 20 2017 02:47 Skynx wrote: I feel like few votes on him and Grack will start spilling all the beans. And this looks like he started fabricating a vote analyze but didn't know how to do it. There is nothing there. Like the bolded above, he points that every reasonning is bad and he wants to lynch every player. No game solving there. Not trying to push game forward and all. I didn't understand anything from rayn interaction, I assume they are disagreeing on reads? Ruxxar pretty much the same I don't get the sr but apparently you sr him from very early on, why not vote him when he had bunch of people on him?? There is a general lack of structure in these scumreads, he reads the game thats for sure but he just quotes posts and makes up bunch of reasons out of nowhere. Lets look at the townreads, I actually found the one about Grack On June 20 2017 06:58 Rels wrote: but Grack showing he remembered a random post from Palmar means it's likely he's either scum with marv, or not scum. Cause him remembering this random post means he read Palmar's filter (so he's town) or this post stucked to him 'cause marv is his partner. Most likely This is just laughable, Grack has arguably the worst filter in the game along with ES and gets the easiest tr based on something so superficial. On June 20 2017 20:27 Rels wrote:On June 20 2017 19:49 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm on page 11. I have to admit that his N1 looks very good, especially asking the vig shot to be directed towards Xata. However, Xata doesn't die, so either vig didn't shoot or mafia has a protection mechanic or the roleblock got lucky? Hm, speculations. I'd say scum has a protective mechanic looooool never scum. BTDT is never ever scum. This is him solving the game right there. Speculating that the scumteam might have a prot role 'cause it fits with his belief that disfo is scum. I'm never ever voting him. Sry BTDT but I'm not convinced at all by your case. Apart from point 1 which is what annoyed me about disfo at the beginning. But the rest is him being disfo. Doesn't make him scum. More easy tr's, did you even read rest of btdt filter? He's not making 1 bit of sense since start of the game and above post can be very easily fabricated by mafia. I don't even think I'd come up with this one if i was really trying hard to tr btdt. Concluding point: On June 20 2017 21:00 Rels wrote:Actually I just did. On June 15 2017 00:18 Tumblewood wrote:On June 15 2017 00:14 Koshi wrote:On June 15 2017 00:12 Tumblewood wrote: so far i'm thinking ruxxar and disfo have basically dumbtelled by taking sl's claim at fake value. unless i am actually operating on way less irony than them Don't think they are dumbtelled town for believing a claim. They are more likely town if SL is mafia. or what do you mean? believing the claim requires not realizing that sl just made that up. and if rux or disfo are mafia then they should figure that out because it doesn't reconcile at all with the information that they have. i think there's a corner case of this where they're mafia with eversince, but i figure they are still probably town. and if sl is mafia... idk, at least disfo is kinda scrubby and might take it as a legit fakeclaim this is kinda townie Nothing else stands out of to me as town or scum. The activity is bad ofc though. I want him to play more. Mind you he makes a similar post about me but I'm still scum and TW is town???? On June 20 2017 21:08 Rels wrote:On June 16 2017 03:39 Skynx wrote: Koshi is not screaming and calling this town shit, he might be mafia actually this is kinda townie. Weird thing to say to a town leader that is obviously not getting lynched Like wtf? He just finds reasons in his universe that makes someone town or scum but apparently they don't apply to everyone in same value. It is most clearly seen in sl and simple tr on me and tw. I just can't follow any of his reads, sorry.##Vote: Rels Is it just me or is this last line really out of place? And if Grack has arguably the worst filter in the game how come you aren't on board with killing him? On June 21 2017 03:36 Skynx wrote:Disfo might be mafia at this point purely cuz of association. Him not dying after N2 is just madness. Framing redcheck on him by fellow mafia for pure WIFOM. Now that there is only me and him on original Xata train, he accuses me for being mafia whereas his main reason for voting Xata is sheeping my case and he has absolutely no idea on Xata otherwise. On June 16 2017 03:41 disformation wrote:On June 16 2017 03:40 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2017 03:38 disformation wrote: switched to xata. i feel like voting with skynx and df. rather than with annul and ruxxar. Excuse me? you are a pretty big question mark. skynx and df are big town reads. skynx had a good post on xata On June 16 2017 03:42 Koshi wrote: Disformation voting Xatalos when annul is moving up the lynchlist.
Interesting? On June 16 2017 03:43 Koshi wrote: @disformation
Where do you have anything on Xatalos in your filter? On June 16 2017 03:52 Holyflare wrote: Did you read xata's filter and conclude something before you voted him disfo? Where are the posts? This is also a really bad post. There is literally nothing insane about disformation surviving the night. Grack will die dw, Rels is looking worse to me right now since he's revealed a bit more by being more active through this day. There is a chance Grack is just town who doesn't give two shits about this game but reading through Rels I'm sure I found mafia. Nice ridicule, you apparently ignored his actions on EOD and why he vote. Any thoughts on that? Any thoughts on Rels? You practically ignored everything i said... It's not really convincing me. I will give Rels some time now that he is playing.
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On June 21 2017 04:08 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 04:06 disformation wrote: you just complained that everyone scumreading sl is dead.
what was the purpose of that post when you didnt even read my case on sl? SL is prolly mafia thats the fucking point... This is quite possible.
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On June 21 2017 04:20 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 04:16 Skynx wrote:On June 21 2017 02:03 disformation wrote:On June 16 2017 03:11 sicklucker wrote: ##vote annul i agree nice ninja ff you get a cheap townread. I just voted him after reading his filter
Got one boys and im super trendy because no one voted him yet so bonus points never explains this scumread. despite me asking. + Show Spoiler +On June 16 2017 04:29 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 04:27 sicklucker wrote: Like i started the annul wagon which is obviosly the best wagon right now and will probably win. so lol @ people like skyx saying I did nothing can you explain your annul scumread plx? prefered like I was a braindead 3 yr old
On June 16 2017 04:54 sicklucker wrote: meh I dont think xatas filter is that bad. at least his ideas are unconventional to the thread which I kind of expect his town play gets called out for that: On June 16 2017 05:18 sicklucker wrote:On June 16 2017 04:57 darthfoley wrote:On June 16 2017 04:54 sicklucker wrote: meh I dont think xatas filter is that bad. at least his ideas are unconventional to the thread which I kind of expect his town play wtf??? Whichideas are unconventional? The time he called ruXxar mafia as his only scum read when like 5 people had pushed it? I really need specific examples about what ideas he's pushed have been "unconventional." Hell, I can't even remember what ideas he's pushed at all. ryan mostly On June 16 2017 07:49 sicklucker wrote:On June 16 2017 07:47 Holyflare wrote:On June 16 2017 07:45 Eversince wrote: This is going to make me look like garbage.
I haven't read anything since pg 35ish. Give me the the rough of what's happen between now and then for Xata, Annul, and SL.
I don't have time to fact check so my vote is entirely blind at this point. sl came to the thread and town read xatalos because xatalos has different reads to most of the game (when in fact xatalos' reads are blending with the rest of the game sl says i'm mafia for calling all the town leaders mafia and it's my mafia meta when 100% of other games he states my mafia meta is to push lurkers sl is trying to force the wagon onto someone who is blatantly self-preserving and revealing his plan for all to see, who stubbornly refuses to change his reads despite everyone yelling at him mafia sl is mafia I said that because xata had a mafia read on ryan and everyone else town read him. get over it you lost save your buddy On June 16 2017 07:54 sicklucker wrote:On June 16 2017 07:52 annul wrote: "Fact is if annul flips town Xatalos is confirmed mafia."
"I also believe Xata and Annul are mafia."
all from koshi in less than 2 minutes dammit stop being slightly convincing On June 16 2017 07:58 Holyflare wrote: just realise that sicklucker just said annul has towny sounding posts just now and has absolutely no real reason to scum read annul but is voting him over xata who he doesn't even realise doesn't scum read rayn On June 16 2017 07:58 sicklucker wrote:On June 16 2017 07:58 Holyflare wrote: just realise that sicklucker just said annul has towny sounding posts just now and has absolutely no real reason to scum read annul but is voting him over xata who he doesn't even realise doesn't scum read rayn i said very slightly convincing plz...
so sl is for whatever reason super convinced that annul is scum. pushes annul super hard. never explains why. has an incredible weak and faulty tr on xata. admits that a annul post looks slightly towny. doesnt reevaluate or anything.
after flip: On June 16 2017 08:16 sicklucker wrote: to be fair tho I mostly drove the close lynch. and I know im town so from my perspective I dont think xata necessary has to be mafia. but I completely understand people who think he and I am from what happened I might think the same after n1: On June 17 2017 08:09 sicklucker wrote: im sure we still kill marvs slot over xatalos but it makes sense This is your case? Essentially you say SL vote on annul was unjustified and bad, halle fucking lujah.. learn to read idiot. Chill.... please don't get modkilled.
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On June 21 2017 04:24 disformation wrote: i would be incredible happy to get modkilled out of this Maybe. But that is an extremely selfish thing to do.
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On June 21 2017 06:11 ruXxar wrote: Sicklucker is the biggest lynchbait right now. Lynching him is not optimal town play. Bro, don't you know:
On June 21 2017 05:55 sicklucker wrote: I never get lynched when I dont want to be Clearly the numerous times SL got lynched happened only because he wanted it to.
So, if he is lynchbait we should endulge him, shouldn't we? His posts just now were all utter garbage.
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Like, SL is doing his absolute best at making me want to lynch him right now.
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On June 21 2017 06:32 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 06:29 Chezitwo wrote: Like, SL is doing his absolute best at making me want to lynch him right now. Believe me, I know exactly how you feel. An SL lynch would be so freaking sweet. Your constant bullshit is also getting old by the way.
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On June 21 2017 06:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am quite not sure why people want to lynch other people for being more townie than usual. Which posts is this referencing? Sicklucker is not more towny than usual.
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On June 21 2017 07:00 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 06:52 Grackaroni wrote:On June 21 2017 06:47 sicklucker wrote:On June 21 2017 06:46 Grackaroni wrote:On June 21 2017 06:45 sicklucker wrote:On June 21 2017 06:35 Grackaroni wrote: Why do you want to kill me so badly again?
Your filter is filled with funny spam lists. you saved the mafia roleblocker So did you... and you were specifically called out by HF for pushing this lynch since you never push lynches day 1. yes and some people on that wagon have to be mafia. why me? I had legit reasons and pushed someone before xata was even up for lynch. but you and rels only showed up and joined my wagon when xata was in danger. Its fucking simple logic. it sucks to fight it as mafia I know Xata was in danger at the time that you were starting your push.I think it's pretty ridiculous to try to absolve yourself from taking any responsibility for the lynch that you championed. no I made a big post on this you should read it. he had votes but he was the 4th or a weak 3rd wagon when I started my push. koshi was #1 in votes when I started my push. So if im mafia why do I start pushing a town over another town? You can never have enough townwagons as mafia.
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On June 21 2017 07:05 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 07:04 VayneAuthority wrote: despite people claiming autopilot this phase looks like anything but. The resistance and waffling today makes me feel pretty good about grack vote, its not going smoothly at all that would be good if I wasn't the main force moving the game along today. And I'm not scum. So that is not the case. lol, ok...
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On June 21 2017 07:06 sicklucker wrote: Mafia are clearly as fucked as I thought and are working together to see if im lyncable right now. dont fall for it Clearly. Because only mafia would push you this game, right?
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On June 21 2017 19:48 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 19:47 disformation wrote:On June 21 2017 19:45 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 21 2017 19:44 disformation wrote:On June 21 2017 19:43 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 21 2017 19:31 disformation wrote:On June 21 2017 18:52 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 21 2017 18:34 disformation wrote:looking back at fefe: last post: On June 21 2017 08:47 Fecalfeast wrote: So I went into VA's filter almost looking for reasons to scumread him and now that I made half a case about his read progression on grack and skynx...
I kinda think he's just low effort town.. The way he comes across seems so casual and while like 80% of his posts are setup talk or useless he seems to be looking at the game from a low information point of view and hasn't pushed any sort of agenda (scum or town) that I can see. town. fairly sure. Why is that townish? "I made a half-assed attempt to do something and my result is a not-really-committed townread" How is that townish? *sigh* why would scum do that? scum would just finish up the half finished case to look like having scumreads and done stuff. realizing half way through a case that you think the guy might actually be town is far more likely to come from town. aaaand the read isnt even as shitty as you make it out to be. "i cant see any agenda in va's filter" is a pretty strong statement. A super strong statement contradicted by "I kinda think". And I super disagree with you regarding townreading "hey I almost did something". That's just bad. no. you are just bad for not realizing that is a super obv town post. piss off, 24-filters-I-have-done-nothing-disformation i really really really dislike ppl telling me i did nothing, when i put more effort and time into the game then the rest of the whole fucking game combined. I am not sure if there's a more self-righteous person in the game. Or have ever been. *hands mirror*
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Rels is slowly climbing up the towny ladder. Very good.
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On June 21 2017 19:29 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 19:28 disformation wrote:On June 21 2017 18:44 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 21 2017 18:28 disformation wrote: well. to help you guys out: ruxxar: + pushing ppl to vote his scumreads + baiting around to make ppl do stuff on otherwise dead days (d2) (this one is big for me) + tone
small nitpicks: - not sure if him spamming his grack list is padding his filter. - sometimes his baiting looks like testing the waters or him seeing what could stick.
overall i think he is way more town than nearly everyone else. - pushed Annul mislynch - pushed Grack like a madman esp. his "everyone who pushed Grack gets a townread" makes it feel like he's super happy if everyone just auto's on grack today which makes me think Grack is town well a lot of ppl pushed/voted annul and i think ruxxar happens to look better than a lot of other ppl on that wagon. and since we dont know what grack will flip yet, the other part is unflipped association. Like, I can see Grack being scum. Granted. But the way Ruxxar is pushing Grack is weirding me out, this "auto on Grack guys and you all get a townread" thing is just... yeah dunno, it's weirding me out. Ruxxar did a lot of weird things. This is not one of them.
On June 21 2017 20:31 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 20:23 Rels wrote:On June 21 2017 20:19 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 21 2017 20:05 Rels wrote: BTDT join us in that "lets see if SL is really unlynchable" quest. Good reward at the end I promise No, we're lynching into Grack or Skynx today. I dived SL's filter with the assumption he was scum and he pushed annul so hard D1 that I didn't really think that scum would do this. Like, he was all over it, scumreading HF super hard and then HF is the nightkill. He's also saying very often "i'm sicklucker i'm super good" while making jaw-droppingly weird reads I think that's town-sicklucker but more importantly I think skynx/grack are the better lynch. the first part is not true. First, SL is actually one of the few players I know who is NOT afraid to protect his partner at all cost if he can. He has a certain logic that he follows. Second, consider that there was also the possiblity of HIM being lynched instead of Xata or annul. So it makes sense that he needed to be active. About HF, this means nothing. Scumreading someone super hard then killing him proves nothing. Especially since HF is a super strong player for any scum team; and that he was scumreading SL pretty hard. Finally, this is not true: "He's also saying very often "i'm sicklucker i'm super good" while making jaw-droppingly weird reads." On the contrary, I'm waiting for the weird smart post and they're not coming. He did push Annul. It's true, I can bring up 5-10 posts where he's pushing Annul and/or talking people into lynching Annul. Having also read the summary of why you're scumreading him, I think it's mainly meta reasons. I can see your points in saying "it's NAI if you push a town lynch super hard or scum read someone who flips immediately", so yeah you're right. I think he shouldn't be the lynch today. Flipping Grack/Skynx gives us a lot of information, we can associate a lot and we'll be able to read more into other people's reads, which is like the exact ground where sicklucker can do the weird good posting that you expect him to do. I fail to see how lynching Grack or Skynx gives us more information than lynching Mr. Sicklucker.
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On June 21 2017 21:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 21:24 Chezitwo wrote: Rels is slowly climbing up the towny ladder. Very good. good. Now if that could make SL climbing your vote ladder that would be even better You are working on it.
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On June 21 2017 19:38 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 19:31 disformation wrote:On June 21 2017 18:52 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 21 2017 18:34 disformation wrote:looking back at fefe: last post: On June 21 2017 08:47 Fecalfeast wrote: So I went into VA's filter almost looking for reasons to scumread him and now that I made half a case about his read progression on grack and skynx...
I kinda think he's just low effort town.. The way he comes across seems so casual and while like 80% of his posts are setup talk or useless he seems to be looking at the game from a low information point of view and hasn't pushed any sort of agenda (scum or town) that I can see. town. fairly sure. Why is that townish? "I made a half-assed attempt to do something and my result is a not-really-committed townread" How is that townish? *sigh* why would scum do that? scum would just finish up the half finished case to look like having scumreads and done stuff. realizing half way through a case that you think the guy might actually be town is far more likely to come from town. aaaand the read isnt even as shitty as you make it out to be. "i cant see any agenda in va's filter" is a pretty strong statement. Yeah I actually think this is a valid point. Like, here's how you should look at it. On the really basic level, the first level, Scum aren't coming from the same mindset of hunting scum that Town come from. Which means it's hard for Scum to have good reads and feel confident pushing them. This means that Town might formulate a read and make a case, but Scum would worry about appearing scummy or something, and therefore try to leave open a line of retreat. See, if you're town, and you think someone is scum, even if it's unpopular to think that, you won't give it up. You have a belief; you have evidence; you're gonna go for it. Scum, though, they're not trying to lynch this guy they think is scum. Instead, theyr'e trying to not get lynched. so maybe theyw ant to build their cases and reads with a line of retreat so they can change their minds if it's unpopular. So on a naive level you would expect Town to be decisive and Scum to be waffly. But if you go down into the second level, it turns out taht sometimes as Town you're confused. And to a certain extent, town doesn't actually CARE about looking town. I mean, obvs you don't wanna get lynched but you're also highly concerned with finding scum. Whereas scum, their ONLY concern is about looking town. And if "looking town" means decisively posting aggressive cases, Scum will try to ape this as best they can. Town will only do this when it makes sense for them. So, we might see someone posting waffle-like uncertain reads. This could mean "ah hah, this is scum planning to pull out of these reads if they aren't popular" and that's possible. But because this really stands out, and is obviously scummy, it's like... the kind of thing that scum tries (but not always succeeds) to avoid doing. And town to a certain extent doesn't actually give a shit. Town wants to lynch properly. so "I did half-assed work and got a half-assed townread" is, you know, it's not something i'm gonna go giving people tons of townreads on that, but there's not a HUGE motivation for scum to do that because 1) a half-assed townread won't get anyone lynched and 2) it kinda stands out as "bad" in a sense. And I'm not saying "too bad to be scum" but you can see how a town has in some ways more chances of saying this than a scum, capisce
On June 21 2017 19:39 Blazinghand wrote: ugh putting out useless guru wisdom that doesn't actually contribute is too much effort i'm going to bed Perfect self analysis. Completely pointless post made to have posts. Really bad.
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On June 21 2017 19:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can people at least look at what i have said about Rels and comment on it?
1) His explanation on the Eversince comment doesn't match up with the earlier explanation on the Eversince comment. In fact i don't even believe it matches the original comment. 2) His vote on annul is based on very bad reasoning and the way he went on with it on D1 in very surface level thinking which is not really typical for him. 3) All of his scumreads are based on very surface level reasoning and there is basically no thought behind them (see for example the read on me, earlier read on Chezitwo, read on Grack, read on sicklucker, N1 or so read on Skynx and the read on Ruxxar). 4) The way he has pushed his scumreads is... well he hasn't, it's non-existent.
The complete lack of ANY people to even COMMENT on the case makes me think even more i am right here. Ok, Rayn. But your Rels stuff just is not very convincing. I think his explanation for the ES stuff is fine. You have somewhat of a point with the annul thing but meh. I do not think his reads are surface level. For example: yes, his read on me was shit but it was quite obviously because he didn't realize I was marvs replacement. He is also pushing his scumread today. Do you have something better to offer?
On June 21 2017 20:05 Rels wrote: BTDT join us in that "lets see if SL is really unlynchable" quest. Good reward at the end I promise Very tempting.
On June 21 2017 20:08 Rels wrote: rayn is also certainly scum. Nitpicking details to hell and not trying to comprehend stuff. + saying I'm doing nothing with my scumreads when it could be argueed that I'm the most influential dude today, creating the counter wagon to Grack. Dunno if he is certainly scum but the spark of town genius Rayn is missing completely.
On June 21 2017 20:23 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 20:19 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 21 2017 20:05 Rels wrote: BTDT join us in that "lets see if SL is really unlynchable" quest. Good reward at the end I promise No, we're lynching into Grack or Skynx today. I dived SL's filter with the assumption he was scum and he pushed annul so hard D1 that I didn't really think that scum would do this. Like, he was all over it, scumreading HF super hard and then HF is the nightkill. He's also saying very often "i'm sicklucker i'm super good" while making jaw-droppingly weird reads I think that's town-sicklucker but more importantly I think skynx/grack are the better lynch. the first part is not true. First, SL is actually one of the few players I know who is NOT afraid to protect his partner at all cost if he can. He has a certain logic that he follows. Second, consider that there was also the possiblity of HIM being lynched instead of Xata or annul. So it makes sense that he needed to be active. About HF, this means nothing. Scumreading someone super hard then killing him proves nothing. Especially since HF is a super strong player for any scum team; and that he was scumreading SL pretty hard. Finally, this is not true: "He's also saying very often "i'm sicklucker i'm super good" while making jaw-droppingly weird reads." On the contrary, I'm waiting for the weird smart post and they're not coming. Yep.
Overall I might even prefer SL over Grack right now. Maybe I will switch later. Btw. I really do not understand this:
On June 21 2017 20:54 ruXxar wrote: I'm really happy that there are two wagons now, one on grack and one on sicklucker. When grack flips scum it's going to be real easy to find the rest of the mafia. You mentioned this a lot. I have no idea why you think so.
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On June 21 2017 21:50 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 21:45 disformation wrote: so. if i set the bar for town leans really low i am down to this list: 3)Palmar 9)VayneAuthority 11)raynpelikoneet 15)Grackaroni 20)sicklucker 22)Eversince I would take Vayne and rayn of that list. Explanation please.
On June 21 2017 21:37 disformation wrote: dunno. would expect town rayn to be more fiery in trying to force ppl to vote for his scum read. but cant tell if it is lack of time or lack of town. town rayn can tunnel/scumread ppl for meh reasons sometimes though. mostly related to suboptimal town play, or the lack of what town should do etc
still feeling fairly null about him Yes, but town!Rayn has a very strong drive to solve the game besides that. Which is lacking here.
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On June 22 2017 00:35 disformation wrote: guess that also means ill be there at eod after all. rip sleep Excellent. Then I can leave this to you.
I'll be around for about an hour and then I'll be gone. Maybe I will manage to pop back in shortly before deadline but I wouldn't be my life on it.
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Which means I have to find a good location for my vote. Which probably is SL right now. Gotta give HF a little credit.
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On June 22 2017 01:45 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 01:41 Chezitwo wrote: Which means I have to find a good location for my vote. Which probably is SL right now. Gotta give HF a little credit. I don't see why you all are so eager to vote together with grack when he was such a strong scum read just a short while ago. You think grack is bussing here? Pro tip: Don't make pre flip associations. Vote on who is the most scummy individually.
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On June 22 2017 02:03 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 01:57 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 01:45 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 01:41 Chezitwo wrote: Which means I have to find a good location for my vote. Which probably is SL right now. Gotta give HF a little credit. I don't see why you all are so eager to vote together with grack when he was such a strong scum read just a short while ago. You think grack is bussing here? Pro tip: Don't make pre flip associations. Vote on who is the most scummy individually. And I don't see how this tip makes any sense. If I think grack is scum, I'm going to be inclined to not vote with him. How is that a bad idea? Do you honestly think Grack voting his counterwagon is in any way alignment indicative? That would be quite stupid of you.
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On June 22 2017 01:48 VayneAuthority wrote: i wont even be mad if we lynch town, this looks like its shaping up to me another tasty town vs scum lynch
On June 22 2017 02:07 VayneAuthority wrote: the bad news is that if SL does get ahead he will fakeclaim blue role regardless if he is green blue or red. and then deadline will be a shit show.
hopefully people ignore that when it happens I do not follow your logic here. It is town v scum and your vote is on grack yet SL will fakeclaim blue?
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On June 22 2017 01:58 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 01:57 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 01:45 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 01:41 Chezitwo wrote: Which means I have to find a good location for my vote. Which probably is SL right now. Gotta give HF a little credit. I don't see why you all are so eager to vote together with grack when he was such a strong scum read just a short while ago. You think grack is bussing here? Pro tip: Don't make pre flip associations. Vote on who is the most scummy individually. And SL suddenly beat out grack because?... Not suddenly. Rels brought up good stuff - gotta respect good players. I can still lynch both of them.
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On June 22 2017 02:22 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 02:13 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 02:03 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 01:57 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 01:45 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 01:41 Chezitwo wrote: Which means I have to find a good location for my vote. Which probably is SL right now. Gotta give HF a little credit. I don't see why you all are so eager to vote together with grack when he was such a strong scum read just a short while ago. You think grack is bussing here? Pro tip: Don't make pre flip associations. Vote on who is the most scummy individually. And I don't see how this tip makes any sense. If I think grack is scum, I'm going to be inclined to not vote with him. How is that a bad idea? Do you honestly think Grack voting his counterwagon is in any way alignment indicative? That would be quite stupid of you. Yes. If he was mafia with SL I think they would try to deflect onto a non mafia. A prime example would be Rels. These 2 really aren't in the position to deflect anything. Look, if SL comes into the thread later throwing towny glitter and shitting towny rainbows you people will certainly be able to make the correct decision to lynch someone else without me. If he doesn't then my vote is in the right place.
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On June 22 2017 02:29 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 02:13 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 02:03 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 01:57 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 01:45 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 01:41 Chezitwo wrote: Which means I have to find a good location for my vote. Which probably is SL right now. Gotta give HF a little credit. I don't see why you all are so eager to vote together with grack when he was such a strong scum read just a short while ago. You think grack is bussing here? Pro tip: Don't make pre flip associations. Vote on who is the most scummy individually. And I don't see how this tip makes any sense. If I think grack is scum, I'm going to be inclined to not vote with him. How is that a bad idea? Do you honestly think Grack voting his counterwagon is in any way alignment indicative? That would be quite stupid of you. If you look in the vote thread, you would see that SL and Rels both had 3 votes when grack voted, yet he chose to vote SL over Rels. What does that tell you? Nothing at all. If rels is town then mafia knew it would be hard to lynch him. Unlike you apparently I do not know any alignments. I do not know if grack is mafia. Maybe he is. But it doesn't say anything at all about SL.
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On June 22 2017 02:33 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 02:29 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 02:13 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 02:03 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 01:57 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 01:45 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 01:41 Chezitwo wrote: Which means I have to find a good location for my vote. Which probably is SL right now. Gotta give HF a little credit. I don't see why you all are so eager to vote together with grack when he was such a strong scum read just a short while ago. You think grack is bussing here? Pro tip: Don't make pre flip associations. Vote on who is the most scummy individually. And I don't see how this tip makes any sense. If I think grack is scum, I'm going to be inclined to not vote with him. How is that a bad idea? Do you honestly think Grack voting his counterwagon is in any way alignment indicative? That would be quite stupid of you. If you look in the vote thread, you would see that SL and Rels both had 3 votes when grack voted, yet he chose to vote SL over Rels. What does that tell you? And that's with SL even being the first vote on Rels. Simple logic should tell you that they are not the same faction. If you don't think so that would be quite stupid if you. Well, then let's settle at this: with all your vast experience playing mafia you just know better than me. Of course pressured mafia would never vote each other what was I thinking...
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On June 22 2017 02:40 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 02:36 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 02:33 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 02:29 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 02:13 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 02:03 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 01:57 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 01:45 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 01:41 Chezitwo wrote: Which means I have to find a good location for my vote. Which probably is SL right now. Gotta give HF a little credit. I don't see why you all are so eager to vote together with grack when he was such a strong scum read just a short while ago. You think grack is bussing here? Pro tip: Don't make pre flip associations. Vote on who is the most scummy individually. And I don't see how this tip makes any sense. If I think grack is scum, I'm going to be inclined to not vote with him. How is that a bad idea? Do you honestly think Grack voting his counterwagon is in any way alignment indicative? That would be quite stupid of you. If you look in the vote thread, you would see that SL and Rels both had 3 votes when grack voted, yet he chose to vote SL over Rels. What does that tell you? And that's with SL even being the first vote on Rels. Simple logic should tell you that they are not the same faction. If you don't think so that would be quite stupid if you. Well, then let's settle at this: with all your vast experience playing mafia you just know better than me. Of course pressured mafia would never vote each other what was I thinking... I guess I learned something new today. The best way to win as scum is to bus your team mates until there's no one left on your team. Look dude. If grack is mafia and SL I have no doubt that you will get grack lynched without my vote. U If SL is mafia and grack is town I think lynching correctly will be harder for town. I believe in you man.
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On June 22 2017 04:54 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 04:40 sicklucker wrote:On June 22 2017 04:27 Blazinghand wrote: whoa is it tied 6-6 between SL and Grack
3 hours left in the day
I, Blazinghand, am the only active player who hasn't cast a vote
IS THIS LYNCH ENTIRELY UP TO ME?!?!?! :D THIS IS AMAZING save me senpai I'll save you kohai ##vote GrackaroniYour turn Grack, beg! Beg! The correct decision when someone immediately complies with your request and another one doesn't give a fuck is an entirely different one. B
On June 22 2017 05:15 sicklucker wrote: The only way town losses this is if gracks town and we go full retard in future cycles. Even if hes town (5-10%) the same people are still mafia hes just the problem child in the bunch
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'but I am sure you know that
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On June 22 2017 05:15 sicklucker wrote: The only way town losses this is if gracks town and we go full retard in future cycles. Even if hes town (5-10%) the same people are still mafia hes just the problem child in the bunch This is remarkable. Why the fuck would mafia go all in on lynching you if grack is town?
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On June 22 2017 05:24 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 05:23 sicklucker wrote: man grack is acting so scummy. if he was town he would care more. hes having way too much fun I know when I'm fucked.
On June 22 2017 05:55 Grackaroni wrote: I'm still claiming town btw.
No scum claim.
I just knew that I'm getting the votes today and this way is more fun for me. If this comes from town I will be seriously pissed though.
Your day was way townier than sickluckers. But this sucks big time.
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On June 22 2017 06:59 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 05:24 Grackaroni wrote:On June 22 2017 05:23 sicklucker wrote: man grack is acting so scummy. if he was town he would care more. hes having way too much fun I know when I'm fucked. Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 05:55 Grackaroni wrote: I'm still claiming town btw.
No scum claim.
I just knew that I'm getting the votes today and this way is more fun for me. If this comes from town I will be seriously pissed though. Your day was way townier than sickluckers. But this sucks big time. Like, you really just dig your own grave with shit like this. I mean if I am an idiot and you are mafia that is totally fine but if you aren't and Sicklucker is scum then this has to be one of the dumbest moves I have seen in a long time.
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On June 22 2017 07:06 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 07:03 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 06:59 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 05:24 Grackaroni wrote:On June 22 2017 05:23 sicklucker wrote: man grack is acting so scummy. if he was town he would care more. hes having way too much fun I know when I'm fucked. On June 22 2017 05:55 Grackaroni wrote: I'm still claiming town btw.
No scum claim.
I just knew that I'm getting the votes today and this way is more fun for me. If this comes from town I will be seriously pissed though. Your day was way townier than sickluckers. But this sucks big time. Like, you really just dig your own grave with shit like this. I mean if I am an idiot and you are mafia that is totally fine but if you aren't and Sicklucker is scum then this has to be one of the dumbest moves I have seen in a long time. I'm just being honest. I'm not all that upset that I'm being lynched and I like fucking around with Blazinghand. Well, great. But this lynch definitely wasn't a done deal before you posted this and now it is.
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If grack is mafia then this is a heavy bus by the way. No way that he goes down like this while his teammates aren't on board. Speaking of "not on board" - wtf is this shit Palmar vote disformation? I left the steering of this town to you?!
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On June 22 2017 07:13 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 07:07 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 07:06 Grackaroni wrote:On June 22 2017 07:03 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 06:59 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 05:24 Grackaroni wrote:On June 22 2017 05:23 sicklucker wrote: man grack is acting so scummy. if he was town he would care more. hes having way too much fun I know when I'm fucked. On June 22 2017 05:55 Grackaroni wrote: I'm still claiming town btw.
No scum claim.
I just knew that I'm getting the votes today and this way is more fun for me. If this comes from town I will be seriously pissed though. Your day was way townier than sickluckers. But this sucks big time. Like, you really just dig your own grave with shit like this. I mean if I am an idiot and you are mafia that is totally fine but if you aren't and Sicklucker is scum then this has to be one of the dumbest moves I have seen in a long time. I'm just being honest. I'm not all that upset that I'm being lynched and I like fucking around with Blazinghand. Well, great. But this lynch definitely wasn't a done deal before you posted this and now it is. Why are you so mad about him getting lynched hmm? Because I have this horrible feeling that he is actually town. I would be glad to be proven wrong though.
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On June 22 2017 07:15 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 07:13 Chezitwo wrote: If grack is mafia then this is a heavy bus by the way. No way that he goes down like this while his teammates aren't on board. Speaking of "not on board" - wtf is this shit Palmar vote disformation? I left the steering of this town to you?! Nope, this is the opposite of a bus. Whatever you say man.
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On June 22 2017 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 07:13 Chezitwo wrote: Because I have this horrible feeling that he is actually town. I would be glad to be proven wrong though. dude he basically claimed mafia. I know. That's why I am so mad right now.
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On June 22 2017 07:17 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 07:16 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 22 2017 07:13 Chezitwo wrote: Because I have this horrible feeling that he is actually town. I would be glad to be proven wrong though. dude he basically claimed mafia. I know. That's why I am so mad right now. ??? why would this make you mad tho, this makes things very easy Sure. If he is actually mafia which - as I have already explained - I have doubts about.
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But why am I even bothering now. This lynch is done now and I am either wrong - which is the best case - or I am right and can put the blame for this mess on Mr. Grackaroni.
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On June 22 2017 07:20 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 07:17 Blazinghand wrote:On June 22 2017 07:15 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 07:13 Chezitwo wrote: If grack is mafia then this is a heavy bus by the way. No way that he goes down like this while his teammates aren't on board. Speaking of "not on board" - wtf is this shit Palmar vote disformation? I left the steering of this town to you?! Nope, this is the opposite of a bus. The opposite of a bus, being what? Mafia voting for Town? Are you defending Grack? This was a hard defense of grack, all in. Unfortunately the mafia couldn't muster a large enough vote count. Do you even hear yourself talking dude?
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On June 22 2017 07:22 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 07:21 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 07:20 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 07:17 Blazinghand wrote:On June 22 2017 07:15 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 07:13 Chezitwo wrote: If grack is mafia then this is a heavy bus by the way. No way that he goes down like this while his teammates aren't on board. Speaking of "not on board" - wtf is this shit Palmar vote disformation? I left the steering of this town to you?! Nope, this is the opposite of a bus. The opposite of a bus, being what? Mafia voting for Town? Are you defending Grack? This was a hard defense of grack, all in. Unfortunately the mafia couldn't muster a large enough vote count. Do you even hear yourself talking dude? If you have something to say, say it. If you think this was a scum hard defense of grack I have literally nothing to say to you. I have no words for such idiocy.
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On June 22 2017 07:24 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 07:23 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 07:22 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 07:21 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 07:20 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 07:17 Blazinghand wrote:On June 22 2017 07:15 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 07:13 Chezitwo wrote: If grack is mafia then this is a heavy bus by the way. No way that he goes down like this while his teammates aren't on board. Speaking of "not on board" - wtf is this shit Palmar vote disformation? I left the steering of this town to you?! Nope, this is the opposite of a bus. The opposite of a bus, being what? Mafia voting for Town? Are you defending Grack? This was a hard defense of grack, all in. Unfortunately the mafia couldn't muster a large enough vote count. Do you even hear yourself talking dude? If you have something to say, say it. If you think this was a scum hard defense of grack I have literally nothing to say to you. I have no words for such idiocy. We'll see who's the idiot after grack flips. Fortunately my post is true regardless of Gracks alignment since even if he should be mafia there was never a mafia hard defense.
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On June 22 2017 07:27 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 07:25 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 07:24 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 07:23 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 07:22 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 07:21 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 07:20 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 07:17 Blazinghand wrote:On June 22 2017 07:15 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 07:13 Chezitwo wrote: If grack is mafia then this is a heavy bus by the way. No way that he goes down like this while his teammates aren't on board. Speaking of "not on board" - wtf is this shit Palmar vote disformation? I left the steering of this town to you?! Nope, this is the opposite of a bus. The opposite of a bus, being what? Mafia voting for Town? Are you defending Grack? This was a hard defense of grack, all in. Unfortunately the mafia couldn't muster a large enough vote count. Do you even hear yourself talking dude? If you have something to say, say it. If you think this was a scum hard defense of grack I have literally nothing to say to you. I have no words for such idiocy. We'll see who's the idiot after grack flips. Fortunately my post is true regardless of Gracks alignment since even if he should be mafia there was never a mafia hard defense. Yeah, you sure pulled your weight. Yeah, yeah. I get it. I am mafia for defending Grack. Because scum never bus under pressure and they always go out of their way to defend their buddies when they are the obvious lynch. It's like you never played a game of mafia before.
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On June 22 2017 07:30 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 07:29 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 07:27 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 07:25 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 07:24 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 07:23 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 07:22 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 07:21 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 07:20 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 07:17 Blazinghand wrote: [quote]
The opposite of a bus, being what? Mafia voting for Town? Are you defending Grack? This was a hard defense of grack, all in. Unfortunately the mafia couldn't muster a large enough vote count. Do you even hear yourself talking dude? If you have something to say, say it. If you think this was a scum hard defense of grack I have literally nothing to say to you. I have no words for such idiocy. We'll see who's the idiot after grack flips. Fortunately my post is true regardless of Gracks alignment since even if he should be mafia there was never a mafia hard defense. Yeah, you sure pulled your weight. Yeah, yeah. I get it. I am mafia for defending Grack. Because scum never bus under pressure and they always go out of their way to defend their buddies when they are the obvious lynch. It's like you never played a game of mafia before. It's like you've never heard of logic before. If you were right we wouldn't even need people to play mafia. We could just let AIs play it out. Unfortunately we do not live in this fantasy world of yours.
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On June 22 2017 07:34 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 07:32 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 07:30 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 07:29 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 07:27 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 07:25 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 07:24 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 07:23 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 07:22 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 07:21 Chezitwo wrote: [quote] Do you even hear yourself talking dude? If you have something to say, say it. If you think this was a scum hard defense of grack I have literally nothing to say to you. I have no words for such idiocy. We'll see who's the idiot after grack flips. Fortunately my post is true regardless of Gracks alignment since even if he should be mafia there was never a mafia hard defense. Yeah, you sure pulled your weight. Yeah, yeah. I get it. I am mafia for defending Grack. Because scum never bus under pressure and they always go out of their way to defend their buddies when they are the obvious lynch. It's like you never played a game of mafia before. It's like you've never heard of logic before. If you were right we wouldn't even need people to play mafia. We could just let AIs play it out. Unfortunately we do not live in this fantasy world of yours. Yep, your world where mafia bus themselves until they lose is much more likely. Whatever man. You are either playing a really really impressive mafia game or you are one of the most simple minded people I met on this site and that actually means a lot. This discussion is over.
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On June 22 2017 07:47 disformation wrote: where did the 2nd wagon go? why did plammar switch? You abandoned it and Grack also helped destroy it.
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On June 22 2017 07:53 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 07:52 disformation wrote: well on one hand i dont think so... on the other: why not post that stuff earlier? -.- That's what I've been saying for a while. I don't have any good reads this game. Please be mafia.
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On June 22 2017 08:02 Blazinghand wrote: I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO SPOKE OUT AGAINST THIS
WHY DID NOBODY LISTEN TO ME Sorry man. Should have listened to you.
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Why did I even stay up for this shitshow.
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On June 22 2017 08:05 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 08:04 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 08:02 Blazinghand wrote: I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO SPOKE OUT AGAINST THIS
WHY DID NOBODY LISTEN TO ME Sorry man. Should have listened to you. Ok gonna admit I have some egg on my face here since my voting Grack did secure the lynch. but please bear in mind that, we all make mistakes, and just because Grack made a huge mistake in getting voted by me doesn't mean we should do anything too hasty here Of course not.
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On June 22 2017 18:48 beentheredonethat wrote: Chezitwo voting sicklucker - mehhhhhhhhhhhhh. Given how super eager he was to lynch Xata over Xata's cop claim, I don't know why he voted sicklucker here and kinda wasted his vote. I need to check the context of that vote as well as the reasoning. NAI imho but I'm not too sure. I don't have too many townreads so I'll keep him on the list "just cause" but I am indeed a bit paranoid.
Yes, because clearly everyone who is not voting the main wagon is wasting his vote. Not like I actually put SL in the lead before I left or anything.
We will lynch SL with fire on day4. If rayn hasn't started being town until then he can go next. Alternatively we can also get rid of Palmar then.
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On June 22 2017 19:41 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 19:40 disformation wrote:On June 22 2017 19:39 sicklucker wrote: I have never given no red check no no es not sure what you are exactly trying to say. but as a reminder: On June 14 2017 18:21 sicklucker wrote: alright boys im hard claiming cop with a red check on eversince. oh I did totally do that right my bad forgot. Im trying to get shot here Seems realistic.
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On June 22 2017 20:14 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 20:06 beentheredonethat wrote: Lol wait you just said this about yourself wait i quoted some idoit and put a sign face QFT
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I have the feeling that BH has been acting intentionally obtuse towards Rels regarding the dumbtell issue. Now is this because he likes being a dick or because he is mafia? Not that it matters that much because we should kill him last as long as he keeps being entertaining.
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On June 22 2017 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I honestly don't really think sicklucker is mafia. Why? I think you really should.
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On June 22 2017 23:01 disformation wrote: what i really dont like this game is that while we are soon to be on d4, it is still all about the d1 annul/xata trains and that it gives the low volume/low active ppl that were off wagon/not voting d1 even more wiggle room.
i am also somewhat worried that one of the more active players is playing town pretty hard.
and i am really low on good town reads in a game with a bunch of players alive. Then don't make this game about d1. That's quite stupid anyways.
Let's see what rayn comes up with regarding SL. Should not take him too long if he is town.
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On June 22 2017 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 22:55 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I honestly don't really think sicklucker is mafia. Why? I think you really should. No i really shouldn't. The case(s) on him are very weak and based on stuff that i don't think make logically sense. Knowing what Grackaroni flipped and the way people on sicklucker pushed (or rather the lack of it) him. I'll write a more detailed answer in a bit, got friends visiting right now. This is bullshit and you know it. You are defending him by proxy with this "there were shit cases on him" without even analyzing his play which is very different from the town!SL you should know. You just pick the 1 bad sounding point Rels brought up (SL pushing a lynch day1) and claim that it invalidates the whole SL push. Very scummy thing to do.
I am eagerly awaiting your explanation of how the Grack flip makes SL town but:
You are probably mafia.
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On June 22 2017 23:22 disformation wrote: @chez: why are you scumreading sl again? He is not towny. Town!SL often uses bullshit logic but he usually arrives at decent conclusions. Yet he is pushing this town in a very bad direction without ever reevaluating. Rels brought good stuff up yesterday and also during the night. HF was extremely convinced SL is mafia and I very much respect his reads.
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On June 22 2017 23:54 disformation wrote:reminds me of my first game here. i was doc. sl for some weird mechanical reason was 100% convinced there would be a vet. in a setup where mafia knows the roles. easy tr. Sure. There is nothing of the usual stupid but towny stuff from him in this game though. And he monotonously pushed for me, Grack and Rels to be lynched for no good reason without ever reevaluating or taking things or new developments into account. Mafia.
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On June 22 2017 23:58 disformation wrote: dunno. hoshi was tring sl. So what?
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On June 23 2017 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:46 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 22 2017 22:55 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I honestly don't really think sicklucker is mafia. Why? I think you really should. No i really shouldn't. The case(s) on him are very weak and based on stuff that i don't think make logically sense. Knowing what Grackaroni flipped and the way people on sicklucker pushed (or rather the lack of it) him. I'll write a more detailed answer in a bit, got friends visiting right now. This is bullshit and you know it. You are defending him by proxy with this "there were shit cases on him" without even analyzing his play which is very different from the town!SL you should know. You just pick the 1 bad sounding point Rels brought up (SL pushing a lynch day1) and claim that it invalidates the whole SL push. Very scummy thing to do. I am eagerly awaiting your explanation of how the Grack flip makes SL town but: You are probably mafia. No. You are terrible at this game. Nice counter. But knowing your temper I will ignore it.
On June 23 2017 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Chezitwo i will try to explain this as clearly as i possibly can and then if you don't understand it you can do what the fuck ever you want and have a what the fuck ever you want read on me, and i won't give any shits about it. The push on sicklucker is based on very bad reasoning, i already talked about it with disformation yesterday. If you can't comprehend the reasoning behind what i said then i literally can't help you. I already also said this yesterday: Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 22 2017 05:07 sicklucker wrote:On June 22 2017 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Chez is not mafia nad i don't know why everyone buys Rels' bullshit. ya he is. im more sure of him then grack but no one wants to lynch him for some reason No he isn't. But this game is fucking invalid and we can just concede if there is zero mafia in Palmar, Rels, Grack, Skynx (from people voting for you). It is fucking impossible. Yes, i thought, and i still think at least one of those three alive is mafia. Which brings me to: After my vote on Grackaroni i had the thought at some point that he is actually town because of the people (outside you and disformation) voting for sicklucker didn't give any shits about the lynch at all. Unfortunately Grackaroni went and fucking claimed mafia and you should always lynch that. At that point i thought they just gave up on trying to save him. But knowing he wasn't actually mafia i am back to the conclusion that the people on sicklucker didn't really care which one of the two gets lynched. I still don't have any reason to think sicklucker is mafia. As mafia, at some point sicklucker will always do the thing where i know he has TMI - it has happened before and i thought i saw that on N1 but the night kills invalidated that.
Also you should know one thing about me. I don't give any flying fucks anymore. I used to, but i don't have the same kind of "fire" i used to have when i was able to play about 4-10 hours a day. I don't have the time, and even if i did it takes too much energy and just makes me mad, so i stopped. And then there is this other thing: Show nested quote +Now that the other game is over i can actually talk about this. I played another game which i was alive for 33 days. In those 792 hours my vote was on a townie for a total times of one, for exactly 1 hour and 15 minutes, because i got tilted at Rels for suggesting i would make the dumbest night kill i have ever seen. For 32 days i tried to convince the town to lynch one of the most obvious mafias i have ever seen in any game i have played. Guess who was the only townie who got lynched that game? For being wrong on Hapa's alignment for 3 days when he afk'd and i had no time to interact with him and then someone just hammered him with almost 10 days left in the phase... And even when i was wrong i was right because i was pushing the other fucking mafia. Now that is not why i get mad irl. I get mad when even after all that there are completely illogical and straight out stupid people who cannot understand any sort or logic at all and tell me how i should play mafia. I had literally three scumreads in that game and all of them were mafia, even when i didn't think Hapa is mafia i couldn't tell who the third mafia is.
So yeah, that was the 8th time i have gotten lynched as town. Out of those 8 times in 5 occasions i have only called out mafia/SK .At least almost - in that one dumb game i afk'd for 24 hrs for valentines day and came back with like 100 votes on me "bcz rayn never afks" and called out 7 people of which there was 5/5 were mafia and one SK. But no, "we are not reading your posts you are mafia bcz rayn never afks". So this is going to be most likely my last game of mafia, i have now tried like three times and it always ends up in the same way in like at most 10 games. Show nested quote +But in the last couple of years i have been lynched for like eight times, a couple of them i totally deserved, one was retarded game overall and the last five times i have only called out mafia. I quit for a couple of times already because of that (amongst other things). When the game of logical deduction doesn't include logic anymore i don't really find much fun in it, except for if i am right or not. I decided i wanna have presence for the longest amount of time since i don't usually do as well in obs/following than i do in-game. And Koshi was being a dick and switching his "lynch rayn D3" into D2 (srsly Koshi that's super fucking annoying and the only times you have lynched me i have ONLY FUCKING VOTED FOR MAFIA ALL FUCKING GAME). These are quotes from the last couple of games i have played here. You are probably not aware of this at all assuming you havent played for a while. If you however are, then you can fucking die because you're mafia trying to pull completely retarded meta shit on me you should 100% know is false. I don't care if i am lynched. I don't care to yell at people about my scumreads. I care about being right or wrong and figuring out the game. Sad but true - i am not playing for anyone except for my own amusement anymore, because of the shit i have been getting in games especially when i am FUCKING right. So yeah, i don't care what you think of my alignment or my play. Dealwithit. I don't think sicklucker is mafia. My top mafia read is Rels. Rels should know this aswell, yet he is softly pushing me for this shit. I think you're town, i think disformation is town, i think VA is town, i think ruxxar is town, i think btdt is town, i think sicklucker is town. I kind of think Blazinghand is town. I don't know what FF is. I don't know what Palmar is. I don't know what Eversince is. Tumblewood can be mafia because i don't remember anything he has posted. Skynx can be mafia for what i have talked about today. That's it. Assuming there is 5 mafia the mafia is Rels, Skynx, Tumblewood and most likely one of Palmar and FF. There are my reads. Either you agree or not, but there they are. See, Rayn. Nowhere in this post are you actually explaining to me why SL is town. The grack stuff has SL being town as a basis which makes it irrelevant as an argument. If SL is mafia then scum obviously did care about this lynch which shows if you look at the development of the wagons.
Your points for SL being town are: "Rels said he is mafia for doing something generally attributed to townies" which sounds good on paper but doesn't take SLs meta/Rels reasoning into account while failing to aknowledge any of his other arguments regarding SL. You basically take this single point as an excuse not to talk about anything else which was brought up against him. You also completely refuse to analyze his play. Second point is the tmi stuff which is fair enough but just because it happened often so far does not mean it always happens and SL has played here for a while now. Give his mafia play at least some credit ffs.
I do not expect miracles from you rayn and I know that as town you are capable of finding mafia in games you are generally not widely townread in. But you were wrong on Grack already and the logic you are presenting just doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
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On June 23 2017 01:10 disformation wrote: @rayn can you explain your va town read? guys really null to me.
town: fefe chezitwo rayn
townlean: btdt Do not townread rayn just for getting emotional. He will get heated as both alignments.
On June 23 2017 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:disformation read this up to post 100 or so: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/8rjcQH6vDt2WBasically when VA is scum he pushes mafia agenda and it shows (and no, thinking a townie is mafia is not necessarily pushing mafia agenda). He is not pushing any agenda this game, his play just screams "here is what i think, don't care if you care or not". I don't think i have ever been wrong on VA's alignment after September 25 2013. So there is that. This is generally true. But mafia!VA also feels the need to act reasonable/towny and post more casually than town!VA who just does not give the slightest fuck and I think this dividing treshold might have been reached this game. I am also not so sure about him not pushing an agenda considering his play so far. Very much on the fence here. Wouldn't lynch him soon though.
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On June 23 2017 02:54 disformation wrote: eh more like tring rayn because his reasonings make a lot of sense to me and he had a post that resonated fairly well with what i am thinking about the game. e.g. most stuff he pointed out about sl's case make sense to me and i agree tht the case is fairly weak (see me unvoting yesterday). but i also agree with you: not sure if that makes sl town. If it resonated so well with you then please summarize it for me because I do not see it. Of course stuff like "that's not a good reason to scumread someone" in the case I just mentioned makes sense. That does not mean that his conclusion is correct or that he put in a decent effort to evaluate Sickluckers alignment.
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The only other thing from rayn that I see is that he calls SL town (by proxy again) for voting Rels because Rayn thinks Rels is mafia. Which I also think is not very well reasoned.
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Ah, ok. But this is still singling out a small point without commenting on SLs play. And I do not agree with the reasoning either. It is quite possible that mafia was waiting to see how the aftermath of the lynch was going to be and how the following day would develop. Or he was just too lazy to change his stance earlier. Where exactly is the difference between immediately after the flip and mid-N1 anyways? I do not see it.
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Last post was directed at disformation obviously.
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Like, I get the feeling that Rayn is trying to poke little holes in the accusations against SL where he can and is completely ignoring the rest. His agenda is not to investigate Mr. Sickluckers alignment but to deflect negative attention away from him.
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On June 23 2017 03:25 disformation wrote: well wasnt that one of the main points? cause imo the main points where: 1) he pushed annul super hard with a real bad tr on xata 2) he had xata as "not necessarily" scum at the start of the night
2) makes you look badish when xata flips, scum doesnt like I summarized my main points a while ago and it doesn't have anything to do with this except for the fact that I put a lot of stock into players like HF being absolutely convinced that SL is mafia.
2) Looks like a quite scummy read progression, yes. But often times scummy read progressions just come from scum.
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On June 23 2017 03:29 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 23:49 Chezitwo wrote:On June 22 2017 23:22 disformation wrote: @chez: why are you scumreading sl again? He is not towny. Town!SL often uses bullshit logic but he usually arrives at decent conclusions. Yet he is pushing this town in a very bad direction without ever reevaluating. Rels brought good stuff up yesterday and also during the night. HF was extremely convinced SL is mafia and I very much respect his reads. so it kinda boils down to meta and sl's agenda? mnuch of the stuff from yesterday was from hf/the stuff we were talking about just now imo. or did i forget something? Yes, this is what it boils down to. Static reads that make no sense and are clearly mafia agenda driven while not playing his townmeta.
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On June 23 2017 03:31 disformation wrote: as i said earlier. i feel like one of you is trying to convince me that sl is scum and the other is trying to convince me that sl is town. and i have a really really hard time figuring out who is right This really shouldn't be very hard. What business does rayn have defending SL all game? We are talking about a really inquisitive player who likes to analyze people who blindly defends another player instead of ever actually questioning him.
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On June 22 2017 09:49 Rels wrote: so let's recap. In SL words, Grack's flip means all the people in annul's wagon got statiscally more scum.
ruxxar was on annul. He pushed Grack today, who was on annul's wagon, and is scumreading at least me who was also in the wagon. Maybe others too.
Rels was on annul. He pushed SL today, who was on annul's wagon, and is scumreading ruxxar who was also in the wagon.
BUT Rels is 90% scum and ruxxar is 100% town. This and the stuff leading up to it is quite a good point by Rels and it also shows nicely how little SL actually cares about thinking about peoples alignments while continuously pushing the same mafia targets without ever reevaluating.
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On June 23 2017 03:45 disformation wrote: yeah i think sl explained multiple times that the last 3 on the wagon have the hghest chance for scum? That's not what he said there. He was talking about everyone on annul. Additionally there is also the stuff where SL claims everyone voting him is mafia saving grack and then once grack flips town the same people still are mafia to him without any second thought whatsoever.
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On June 23 2017 03:55 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 03:48 Chezitwo wrote:On June 23 2017 03:45 disformation wrote: yeah i think sl explained multiple times that the last 3 on the wagon have the hghest chance for scum? That's not what he said there. He was talking about everyone on annul. Additionally there is also the stuff where SL claims everyone voting him is mafia saving grack and then once grack flips town the same people still are mafia to him without any second thought whatsoever. isnt his stuff based on: Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 22:34 sicklucker wrote:On June 18 2017 18:18 Vivax wrote:If Xata flips indeed scum. On June 16 2017 08:02 Half the Sky wrote:Final Vote Count - Day 1 annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar , Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince Xatalos (6): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflare I'm believing it's really simple and this is mafia. i think your right about the logic wrong about the people. but ill get to that in a second. Heres the vote count when I started the annul train. Notice xata is not really at a very high risk of being lynched at this time. The argument that I am mafia for pushing a wagon to save him is false as koshi was the leading wagon at the time and he flipped town. If I was truly mafia trying to save xata why do I not vote koshi. Why do I start a completely new wagon instead of joining one that is already started and has commited votes? Why do I take the longest road to complete my task. No I am just a town that thought I found mafia. In a close vote between my target and a mafia many mafia saw the opportunity to save there team mate but it was not the people who started the wagon it was the people at the end of it. On June 16 2017 02:09 Half the Sky wrote:Vote Count - Day 1 Koshi (5): Holyflare, disformation, beentheredonethat, Vivax, annul, ruXxar, VivaxruXxar (3): Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Vivax Xatalos (3): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx raynpelikoneet (1): Xatalos, sicklucker, Tumblewoodmarvellosity (1): Koshi, Tumblewood sicklucker (1): Palmar Palmar (0): Koshi, Skynxbeentheredonethat (0): KoshiEversince (0): sickluckerNot voted (8): Rels, Damdred, VayneAuthority, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity, Grackaroni, Eversince Half the Sky is getting ready to throw Koshi out of her whiskey bar. Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted. these guys are more likely the mafia this is the correct way to use vote logic my friend On June 16 2017 08:02 Half the Sky wrote:Final Vote Count - Day 1 annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, , rels, grackoni,, eversince , Xatalos (6): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflare sicklucker (2): Palmar, Holyflare, Vivax Koshi (1): Holyflare, disformation, beentheredonethat, Vivax, annul, ruXxar, Vivaxmarvellosity (1): Koshi, Tumblewood Skynx (1): VayneAuthority ruXxar (0): Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Vivax, annulTumblewood (0): ruXxarPalmar (0): sickluckerraynpelikoneet (0): Xatalos, sicklucker, TumblewoodPalmar (0): Koshi, Skynxbeentheredonethat (0): KoshiEversince (0): sickluckerNot voted (4): Damdred, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity Half the Sky is getting ready to throw annul out of her whiskey bar. Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted. I doubt its all four but those four have the highest percentage to be mafia in the game not me. ? thought there was one with more explanation. cant seem to find it atm. No, that post was ages ago and last night SL boasted about how since grack was not mafia everyone else on the annul train has a very high chance of being mafia while also casually throwing a 100 % townread on ruxxar.
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On June 22 2017 09:30 sicklucker wrote: ruxxar is definitely town rels regardless of are alignments
On June 22 2017 09:31 sicklucker wrote: it dont matter if were both mafia 1 mafia both town ruxxar is always going to be town...
On June 22 2017 09:38 sicklucker wrote: we have to look on the plus side. we know some mafia have to have voted annul. getting grack out of the picture just narrows that down. If you guys can properly conclude I just thought annul was mafia rather then being an opportunistic mafia then were in a great spot.
Rels if your actually town you gotta get on board with this logic and lynch everyone on that lynch but me All in response to Rels.
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It's quite clear that this is not a natural thought process and instead agenda driven. I also wonder how we know that some mafia have voted annul.
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It is not impossible that SL is the only mafia left on the annul wagon. And even if he isn't it is highly unlikely that the whole mafia team is on that wagon.
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On June 23 2017 04:32 VayneAuthority wrote: are we aware who you are chezitwo or is that a secret smurf? I don't think you are aware but I did not really try to hide my identity. Won't tell you either though.
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On June 23 2017 04:36 disformation wrote: well. isnt the base premise that give on the vc there is likely scum on that wagon. it is also more likely that scum is on the middle or end of that wagon. he doesnt think ruxxar is scum. so?
yes if there is no scum on the end of that wagon sl and/or ruxxar are setting up a bunch of mls The ruxxar thing is just an example for the fact that he isn't thinking about alignments at all. I have no idea why you think it is more likely for scum to be at the middle or end of that wagon. That seems like bullshit to me.
Setting up mislynches is what SL has been doing all game depending on Rels alignment. Apart from him he wanted/wants to lynch annul, grack and me. Never waivered or reevaluated those reads. All town. And I currently have no reason to think it isn't the same with Rels.
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On June 23 2017 04:38 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 04:34 Chezitwo wrote:On June 23 2017 04:32 VayneAuthority wrote: are we aware who you are chezitwo or is that a secret smurf? I don't think you are aware but I did not really try to hide my identity. Won't tell you either though. Palmar? Yes. How did you find out I am playing on 2 accounts simultaneously? You are hard to fool man.
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On June 23 2017 06:07 Blazinghand wrote: So what, is the premise that the last minute switches onto Grack from SL an attempt by scum to save SL? The problem with this logic is gracks behaviour which could be interpreted as mafia giving up. Which sucks a lot because otherwise the lynch might have been more contested in the end.
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On June 23 2017 06:13 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 06:09 Chezitwo wrote:On June 23 2017 06:07 Blazinghand wrote: So what, is the premise that the last minute switches onto Grack from SL an attempt by scum to save SL? The problem with this logic is gracks behaviour which could be interpreted as mafia giving up. Which sucks a lot because otherwise the lynch might have been more contested in the end. hmm, on the other hand it's possible scum got onto the grack wagon in the middle as well. This would allow them to increase the wagon size and protect SL (operating on the SL-as-scum theory) without outing themselves hard by diving on the end to save SL. Alternatively, if we think that town ALSO had motivation to jump on Grack at the end, it's plausible that some scum also snuck in with town Thank you captain obvious.
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On June 23 2017 06:20 Rels wrote: oh yeah while we're talking about ruxxar. The most obtuse dude ever. Each time I imagine the possiblity of him being town I think about all these posts where he shows NO will to ever consider he could be wrong. So solid in his mind. It's not a town mind. And it's not even his meta. I had really good memories of playing my first games with ruxxar and he was not like that. Tell me about it.
The thing is that people like that are town most of the time. It's very hard to pull off as mafia.
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And yet I am also far from certain ruxxar is town...
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Yeah Palmar is really disappointing. Unless he rolled survivor or some shit like that. I would expect him to do more as town or mafia.
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The most definitely rolecopped him.
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On June 23 2017 08:01 Fecalfeast wrote: Someone who isn't at work check if he crumbed his checks He said he had "a redcheck" on the 2 of us. The only thing that makes sense to me is if he same checked us.
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It is fantastic that they had to shoot him.
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On June 23 2017 08:03 disformation wrote:how do you know they have a rolecop? Because no mafia in their right mind shoots Sicklucker in this kind of situation without knowing that he is a cop they cannot roleblock.
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So unless he very obviously claimed somewhere I am certain he was rolecopped.
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On June 23 2017 08:07 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 08:03 Chezitwo wrote:On June 23 2017 08:01 Fecalfeast wrote: Someone who isn't at work check if he crumbed his checks He said he had "a redcheck" on the 2 of us. The only thing that makes sense to me is if he same checked us. He did say that. Cool so you're town or godfather Same.
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Right now I think this does not exonerate rayn at all. But I will reevaluate tomorrow.
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On June 23 2017 08:12 Blazinghand wrote: SickLucker's result, as far as I can tell, is this:
FecalFeast and Chezitwo are the same alignment You are so helpful. What would we ever do without you?
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THis explains the stupid "redcheck" on ES too. His way to crumb probably.
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On June 23 2017 08:18 ruXxar wrote:I say we vote you and chez. That would be quite stupid but when has that ever stopped you, right?
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The only thing SL apparently knew is that FF and I came back as the same alignment. Even if you completely ignore our play it is much much more likely to check 2 townies than to check 2 mafia.
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On June 23 2017 08:20 Blazinghand wrote:OK SO THEORY. AS we know, SickLucker crumbed his N1 and N2 checks here, which was SAME on FEFE and Chezitwo. However, pay attention to how he wrote it: Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 19:19 sicklucker wrote:On June 22 2017 18:05 disformation wrote: so lets start again:
town: fefe chezitwo
if ppl scumread any of those two i would like to see reasons/cases I have a red check on both of them I don't know about you folks but I pretty much immediately ignored this. I assumed it was a troll or a joke, not a serious claim in any way. In fact, he doesn't claim they're both the same alignment, he claims they're both Red checks. Now imagine FeFe and Chez are townies. If FeFe and Chez are both Green, and Mafia sees SL, who to them is just some townie, claim he has redchecks on them, why would they shoot him? Who cares, he's some weirdo doing weird things. BUT THATS NOT WHAT HAPPENEd MAFIA SHOT HIM. Which means, when they saw SL say "i have redchecks on FeFe and Chez" they probably started freaking out because fefe and chez are actually mafia. Their Rb, Xat, is dead; so they can't just wait one more day for town to maybe lynch SL, cause then SL will die and leave us THREE checks (remember, they think he's a cop at this point). So they HAVE to shoot him right away even though he's like the top lynch target. Mafia has no reason to rolecheck SL, he was considered suspicious and likely to get lynched. But, if FeFe and Chez ARE IN FACT MAFIA, then Mafia had a REALLY good reason to pay attention to this off-handed statement and freak out and shoot SL! I think that SL crumbed so we'd know he got "same" on FeFe and Chez. But I ALSO think that the way he was shot could only really happen if FeFe and Chez are Mafia and Mafia freaked the fuck out this makes as much or more sense than the rolecop theory now one of FeFe or Chez could still be town here, as an un-self-aware miller; and mafia think "ok, chez/fefe is one of us, but fefe/chez is a miller" and this still confirms, in their minds, that SL is a REGULAR COP with two red checks they couldn't afford to let him live. Not only is this just factually wrong and mafia probably wouldn't be stupid enough to think that SL wouldn't claim with 2 redckecks it is also definitely NOT more likely than the rolecop theory.
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Like, BH is painting a world were SL has 2 fucking redchecks and doesn't claim even when he is almost lynched. That is absolutely ridiculous.
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On June 23 2017 08:26 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 08:23 Chezitwo wrote:On June 23 2017 08:20 Blazinghand wrote:OK SO THEORY. AS we know, SickLucker crumbed his N1 and N2 checks here, which was SAME on FEFE and Chezitwo. However, pay attention to how he wrote it: On June 22 2017 19:19 sicklucker wrote:On June 22 2017 18:05 disformation wrote: so lets start again:
town: fefe chezitwo
if ppl scumread any of those two i would like to see reasons/cases I have a red check on both of them I don't know about you folks but I pretty much immediately ignored this. I assumed it was a troll or a joke, not a serious claim in any way. In fact, he doesn't claim they're both the same alignment, he claims they're both Red checks. Now imagine FeFe and Chez are townies. If FeFe and Chez are both Green, and Mafia sees SL, who to them is just some townie, claim he has redchecks on them, why would they shoot him? Who cares, he's some weirdo doing weird things. BUT THATS NOT WHAT HAPPENEd MAFIA SHOT HIM. Which means, when they saw SL say "i have redchecks on FeFe and Chez" they probably started freaking out because fefe and chez are actually mafia. Their Rb, Xat, is dead; so they can't just wait one more day for town to maybe lynch SL, cause then SL will die and leave us THREE checks (remember, they think he's a cop at this point). So they HAVE to shoot him right away even though he's like the top lynch target. Mafia has no reason to rolecheck SL, he was considered suspicious and likely to get lynched. But, if FeFe and Chez ARE IN FACT MAFIA, then Mafia had a REALLY good reason to pay attention to this off-handed statement and freak out and shoot SL! I think that SL crumbed so we'd know he got "same" on FeFe and Chez. But I ALSO think that the way he was shot could only really happen if FeFe and Chez are Mafia and Mafia freaked the fuck out this makes as much or more sense than the rolecop theory now one of FeFe or Chez could still be town here, as an un-self-aware miller; and mafia think "ok, chez/fefe is one of us, but fefe/chez is a miller" and this still confirms, in their minds, that SL is a REGULAR COP with two red checks they couldn't afford to let him live. Not only is this just factually wrong and mafia probably wouldn't be stupid enough to think that SL wouldn't claim with 2 redckecks it is also definitely NOT more likely than the rolecop theory. hmm, do you really think so though, like remembe,r this means MAfia rolecopped SL during N1 or N2. And then, during Day 3, when it was a faceoff between SL, the guy they "know" is Parity cop, and Grack, the guy they think is just some guy, why does the Grack wagon get so much more support than the SL wagon? there were like TWO dudes on SL at the end, but at some point it was very close. I feel mafia would have pushed to get SL lynched right away. on top of that, this innocuous "I have two redchecks" troll remark seems normal to town but to mafia has to be a HUGE red flag when those two redchecks are on two mafia right (remember, mafia didn't know he was parity cop, thought he was regular cop, in this hypothetical) Because they know SL will claim if push comes to shove, you moron.
Btw. wasn't there a VA comment which went something like "SL will fakeclaim anyways"? What's up with that?!
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On June 23 2017 08:27 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 08:24 Chezitwo wrote: Like, BH is painting a world were SL has 2 fucking redchecks and doesn't claim even when he is almost lynched. That is absolutely ridiculous. no the point isn't that he had 2 redchecks. you're literally lying about what I'm sayhing. The point is, SL had a "same" check between you and FeFe. right? I mean, what other crumb is there? it HAS to be that, unless you can find a different crumb? So his "I have redchecks on FeFE and Chez" is his crumbing that he had a SAMECHECK on you guys. But Mafia didn't KNOW that it was a samecheck, mafia thought it was two redchecks Yes, and mafia certainly will believe that he has 2 actual redchecks without claiming it while being wagoned. Because that makes a lot of sense, right?
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On June 23 2017 08:28 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 08:26 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 23 2017 08:24 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:22 Fecalfeast wrote: Or, bh, we can assume mafia knows the setup and takes that as a claim but hey yeah let's lynch into the two people likely to be town.
We already had a miller flip as well why would "I have red checks on these guys" be anything but a cop claim, if as mafia, you see that the RED CHECKS ARE ON TWO OF YOUR RED GUYS man why am I even arguing with you, you're mafia! Or you see that post, knowing chez and i are towns and that there is a parity cop and think HMm.. maybe sl has a same check on those 2 townies You'reso scum wowow So what, your theory here is that mafia had a rolecheck on SL revealing his as parity cop, and I, as Mafia, with the option to either kill Grack or SL hwo I knew was parity cop, hung out in the thread partying it up, then voted Grack? what kind of ass theory is that Maybe you are mafia maybe you aren't. In any case mafia knew they would not be able to lynch him.
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On June 23 2017 08:30 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 08:27 Chezitwo wrote:On June 23 2017 08:26 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:23 Chezitwo wrote:On June 23 2017 08:20 Blazinghand wrote:OK SO THEORY. AS we know, SickLucker crumbed his N1 and N2 checks here, which was SAME on FEFE and Chezitwo. However, pay attention to how he wrote it: On June 22 2017 19:19 sicklucker wrote:On June 22 2017 18:05 disformation wrote: so lets start again:
town: fefe chezitwo
if ppl scumread any of those two i would like to see reasons/cases I have a red check on both of them I don't know about you folks but I pretty much immediately ignored this. I assumed it was a troll or a joke, not a serious claim in any way. In fact, he doesn't claim they're both the same alignment, he claims they're both Red checks. Now imagine FeFe and Chez are townies. If FeFe and Chez are both Green, and Mafia sees SL, who to them is just some townie, claim he has redchecks on them, why would they shoot him? Who cares, he's some weirdo doing weird things. BUT THATS NOT WHAT HAPPENEd MAFIA SHOT HIM. Which means, when they saw SL say "i have redchecks on FeFe and Chez" they probably started freaking out because fefe and chez are actually mafia. Their Rb, Xat, is dead; so they can't just wait one more day for town to maybe lynch SL, cause then SL will die and leave us THREE checks (remember, they think he's a cop at this point). So they HAVE to shoot him right away even though he's like the top lynch target. Mafia has no reason to rolecheck SL, he was considered suspicious and likely to get lynched. But, if FeFe and Chez ARE IN FACT MAFIA, then Mafia had a REALLY good reason to pay attention to this off-handed statement and freak out and shoot SL! I think that SL crumbed so we'd know he got "same" on FeFe and Chez. But I ALSO think that the way he was shot could only really happen if FeFe and Chez are Mafia and Mafia freaked the fuck out this makes as much or more sense than the rolecop theory now one of FeFe or Chez could still be town here, as an un-self-aware miller; and mafia think "ok, chez/fefe is one of us, but fefe/chez is a miller" and this still confirms, in their minds, that SL is a REGULAR COP with two red checks they couldn't afford to let him live. Not only is this just factually wrong and mafia probably wouldn't be stupid enough to think that SL wouldn't claim with 2 redckecks it is also definitely NOT more likely than the rolecop theory. hmm, do you really think so though, like remembe,r this means MAfia rolecopped SL during N1 or N2. And then, during Day 3, when it was a faceoff between SL, the guy they "know" is Parity cop, and Grack, the guy they think is just some guy, why does the Grack wagon get so much more support than the SL wagon? there were like TWO dudes on SL at the end, but at some point it was very close. I feel mafia would have pushed to get SL lynched right away. on top of that, this innocuous "I have two redchecks" troll remark seems normal to town but to mafia has to be a HUGE red flag when those two redchecks are on two mafia right (remember, mafia didn't know he was parity cop, thought he was regular cop, in this hypothetical) Because they know SL will claim if push comes to shove, you moron. Btw. wasn't there a VA comment which went something like "SL will fakeclaim anyways"? What's up with that?! ok but like, that doesn't matter in my thoery, which is that the Mafia (which includes at least 1 of you and FeFe) learned about SL's identity overnight, like 12 hours ago, then shot him to keep him quiet. There is a question as to whether Mafia would be able to push a lynch through over a claim, and post-claim SL would be docced if there was a doctor. So it's I suppose plausible that SL was known to scum to be a cop, and they did their best to keep pressure off of him during D3. But this eems like kinda a stretch to me man, quite a stretch! No, it seems quite logical unlike your written diarrhea just now.
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On June 23 2017 08:31 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 08:30 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 08:26 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:23 Chezitwo wrote:On June 23 2017 08:20 Blazinghand wrote:OK SO THEORY. AS we know, SickLucker crumbed his N1 and N2 checks here, which was SAME on FEFE and Chezitwo. However, pay attention to how he wrote it: On June 22 2017 19:19 sicklucker wrote:On June 22 2017 18:05 disformation wrote: so lets start again:
town: fefe chezitwo
if ppl scumread any of those two i would like to see reasons/cases I have a red check on both of them I don't know about you folks but I pretty much immediately ignored this. I assumed it was a troll or a joke, not a serious claim in any way. In fact, he doesn't claim they're both the same alignment, he claims they're both Red checks. Now imagine FeFe and Chez are townies. If FeFe and Chez are both Green, and Mafia sees SL, who to them is just some townie, claim he has redchecks on them, why would they shoot him? Who cares, he's some weirdo doing weird things. BUT THATS NOT WHAT HAPPENEd MAFIA SHOT HIM. Which means, when they saw SL say "i have redchecks on FeFe and Chez" they probably started freaking out because fefe and chez are actually mafia. Their Rb, Xat, is dead; so they can't just wait one more day for town to maybe lynch SL, cause then SL will die and leave us THREE checks (remember, they think he's a cop at this point). So they HAVE to shoot him right away even though he's like the top lynch target. Mafia has no reason to rolecheck SL, he was considered suspicious and likely to get lynched. But, if FeFe and Chez ARE IN FACT MAFIA, then Mafia had a REALLY good reason to pay attention to this off-handed statement and freak out and shoot SL! I think that SL crumbed so we'd know he got "same" on FeFe and Chez. But I ALSO think that the way he was shot could only really happen if FeFe and Chez are Mafia and Mafia freaked the fuck out this makes as much or more sense than the rolecop theory now one of FeFe or Chez could still be town here, as an un-self-aware miller; and mafia think "ok, chez/fefe is one of us, but fefe/chez is a miller" and this still confirms, in their minds, that SL is a REGULAR COP with two red checks they couldn't afford to let him live. Not only is this just factually wrong and mafia probably wouldn't be stupid enough to think that SL wouldn't claim with 2 redckecks it is also definitely NOT more likely than the rolecop theory. hmm, do you really think so though, like remembe,r this means MAfia rolecopped SL during N1 or N2. And then, during Day 3, when it was a faceoff between SL, the guy they "know" is Parity cop, and Grack, the guy they think is just some guy, why does the Grack wagon get so much more support than the SL wagon? there were like TWO dudes on SL at the end, but at some point it was very close. I feel mafia would have pushed to get SL lynched right away. on top of that, this innocuous "I have two redchecks" troll remark seems normal to town but to mafia has to be a HUGE red flag when those two redchecks are on two mafia right (remember, mafia didn't know he was parity cop, thought he was regular cop, in this hypothetical) Doesn't this counter the point you're trying to make? If they knew he was parity cop, wouldn't they try to vote him out? OMG READING COMPREHENSION I AM POINTING OUT THAT IN A WORLD IN WHICH MAFIA HAD A ROLE CHECK THEY WOULD PUSH SICKLUCKER SINCE THEY DIDN'T THEY DIDN'T HAVE A ROLE CHECK SO WHY DID THEY SHOOT HIM ITS NOT CAUSE HE WAS TOWN LEADER ITS CAUSE THEY GOT HIS ROLE SOME OTHER WAY LIKE HIS OVERNIGHT CLAIM THAT ONLY STUCK OUT IF YOU ARE MAFIA I AM POINTING OUT THAT THE COUNTERFACTUAL OF ROLE CHECK DOESN'T MAKE SENSE MAFIA DID NOT PUSH HIM BECAUSE THE WILL LOOK LIKE SHIT IF THEY PUSH THE COP
MAFIA WILL NEVER BELIEVE SICKLUCKER IS AN ACTUAL FULL COP WITH 2 REDCHECK WITHOUT CLAIMING
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Like, this isn't hard to understand dude. They can't expect to lynch him without him claiming. And that is what they do NOT want.
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Nice ninja vote again, Mr. Palmar.
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On June 23 2017 08:36 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 08:35 Chezitwo wrote: Like, this isn't hard to understand dude. They can't expect to lynch him without him claiming. And that is what they do NOT want. I'm not saying it's inherently right, i'm just mad he misconstrued what I said. surely you understand the chain of logic but yes if we ALREADY assume mafia has a rolecop, there are two factors at play: 1, they want SL to die, but 2) they don't want him to claim. this also assumes they rolecopped him during N2, since if they rolecopped him N1, they'd have shot him N2 100% Yes, probably.
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On June 23 2017 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 08:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 08:27 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:24 Chezitwo wrote: Like, BH is painting a world were SL has 2 fucking redchecks and doesn't claim even when he is almost lynched. That is absolutely ridiculous. no the point isn't that he had 2 redchecks. you're literally lying about what I'm sayhing. The point is, SL had a "same" check between you and FeFe. right? I mean, what other crumb is there? it HAS to be that, unless you can find a different crumb? So his "I have redchecks on FeFE and Chez" is his crumbing that he had a SAMECHECK on you guys. But Mafia didn't KNOW that it was a samecheck, mafia thought it was two redchecks I disagree with this point. If SL had two redchecks as role cop he would've absolutely claimed already. So the only reasonable assumption for mafia to make, is either: 1) is that he is a parity cop. 2) he is bluffing. Why would mafia assume "2x redcheck on 2 mafia" -> "parity cop"? The same way we just did. But I really doubt they were so sure without a rolecop.
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On June 23 2017 08:39 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 08:38 Chezitwo wrote:On June 23 2017 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 08:27 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:24 Chezitwo wrote: Like, BH is painting a world were SL has 2 fucking redchecks and doesn't claim even when he is almost lynched. That is absolutely ridiculous. no the point isn't that he had 2 redchecks. you're literally lying about what I'm sayhing. The point is, SL had a "same" check between you and FeFe. right? I mean, what other crumb is there? it HAS to be that, unless you can find a different crumb? So his "I have redchecks on FeFE and Chez" is his crumbing that he had a SAMECHECK on you guys. But Mafia didn't KNOW that it was a samecheck, mafia thought it was two redchecks I disagree with this point. If SL had two redchecks as role cop he would've absolutely claimed already. So the only reasonable assumption for mafia to make, is either: 1) is that he is a parity cop. 2) he is bluffing. Why would mafia assume "2x redcheck on 2 mafia" -> "parity cop"? The same way we just did. But I really doubt they were so sure without a rolecop. the reason we know he's a parity cop is because he flipped parity cop duh
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On June 23 2017 08:41 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 08:39 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 08:38 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:38 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 08:27 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:24 Chezitwo wrote: Like, BH is painting a world were SL has 2 fucking redchecks and doesn't claim even when he is almost lynched. That is absolutely ridiculous. no the point isn't that he had 2 redchecks. you're literally lying about what I'm sayhing. The point is, SL had a "same" check between you and FeFe. right? I mean, what other crumb is there? it HAS to be that, unless you can find a different crumb? So his "I have redchecks on FeFE and Chez" is his crumbing that he had a SAMECHECK on you guys. But Mafia didn't KNOW that it was a samecheck, mafia thought it was two redchecks I disagree with this point. If SL had two redchecks as role cop he would've absolutely claimed already. So the only reasonable assumption for mafia to make, is either: 1) is that he is a parity cop. 2) he is bluffing. Why would mafia assume "2x redcheck on 2 mafia" -> "parity cop"? Because "If SL had two redchecks as role cop he would've absolutely claimed already." hmm, actually this is a good point for thinking SL is lying about the 2 red checks. I'm not sure how this maps to "so he's definitely a parity cop" though I didn't say that he's "defintely a parity cop". I said that the only 2 logical assumptions to make is that he is either bluffing or is a parity cop. ok fine but the logic still holds then. Mafia saw someone claim 2x redcheck on 2 of them, or 1 of them and 1 green, and the assumption that town would make is "oh he's just trolling" but mafia see sthis and his frightened and shoots him right away for being pcop or just profoundly stupid cop if he claimed 2x redcheck on greens, I feel like this wouldn't have come to mafia attention, right? like remember we need osme way to explain the SL shot based on "Mafia somehow figured out he was blue" Rolecop.
Other possibilities are that they just noticed how he "joked" about being cop 2 fucking times or that they found something different in his filter.
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On June 23 2017 08:44 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 08:43 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 23 2017 08:41 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:39 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 08:38 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:38 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 08:27 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:24 Chezitwo wrote: Like, BH is painting a world were SL has 2 fucking redchecks and doesn't claim even when he is almost lynched. That is absolutely ridiculous. no the point isn't that he had 2 redchecks. you're literally lying about what I'm sayhing. The point is, SL had a "same" check between you and FeFe. right? I mean, what other crumb is there? it HAS to be that, unless you can find a different crumb? So his "I have redchecks on FeFE and Chez" is his crumbing that he had a SAMECHECK on you guys. But Mafia didn't KNOW that it was a samecheck, mafia thought it was two redchecks I disagree with this point. If SL had two redchecks as role cop he would've absolutely claimed already. So the only reasonable assumption for mafia to make, is either: 1) is that he is a parity cop. 2) he is bluffing. Why would mafia assume "2x redcheck on 2 mafia" -> "parity cop"? Because "If SL had two redchecks as role cop he would've absolutely claimed already." hmm, actually this is a good point for thinking SL is lying about the 2 red checks. I'm not sure how this maps to "so he's definitely a parity cop" though I didn't say that he's "defintely a parity cop". I said that the only 2 logical assumptions to make is that he is either bluffing or is a parity cop. ok fine but the logic still holds then. Mafia saw someone claim 2x redcheck on 2 of them, or 1 of them and 1 green, and the assumption that town would make is "oh he's just trolling" but mafia see sthis and his frightened and shoots him right away for being pcop or just profoundly stupid cop if he claimed 2x redcheck on greens, I feel like this wouldn't have come to mafia attention, right? like remember we need osme way to explain the SL shot based on "Mafia somehow figured out he was blue" Mafia could know the setup I don't think I've ever on TL played in a game, and I've played in a LOT of games, in which mafia knew the setup and town didn't; with the exception of semi-open mini games with like 3 setups and Mafia could infer it based on their own roles, but so oculd town from the list of possible setups does this happen now on TL Mafia? I doubt it to be honest.
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But none of this really matters since you can easily identify me as town anyways and the bonus is FF has a very good chance of being town too and we also do not have to lynch SL for playing terribly due to being a role.
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On June 23 2017 08:45 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 08:44 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:43 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 23 2017 08:41 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:39 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 08:38 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:38 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 08:27 Blazinghand wrote: [quote]
no the point isn't that he had 2 redchecks. you're literally lying about what I'm sayhing. The point is, SL had a "same" check between you and FeFe. right? I mean, what other crumb is there? it HAS to be that, unless you can find a different crumb? So his "I have redchecks on FeFE and Chez" is his crumbing that he had a SAMECHECK on you guys. But Mafia didn't KNOW that it was a samecheck, mafia thought it was two redchecks I disagree with this point. If SL had two redchecks as role cop he would've absolutely claimed already. So the only reasonable assumption for mafia to make, is either: 1) is that he is a parity cop. 2) he is bluffing. Why would mafia assume "2x redcheck on 2 mafia" -> "parity cop"? Because "If SL had two redchecks as role cop he would've absolutely claimed already." hmm, actually this is a good point for thinking SL is lying about the 2 red checks. I'm not sure how this maps to "so he's definitely a parity cop" though I didn't say that he's "defintely a parity cop". I said that the only 2 logical assumptions to make is that he is either bluffing or is a parity cop. ok fine but the logic still holds then. Mafia saw someone claim 2x redcheck on 2 of them, or 1 of them and 1 green, and the assumption that town would make is "oh he's just trolling" but mafia see sthis and his frightened and shoots him right away for being pcop or just profoundly stupid cop if he claimed 2x redcheck on greens, I feel like this wouldn't have come to mafia attention, right? like remember we need osme way to explain the SL shot based on "Mafia somehow figured out he was blue" Mafia could know the setup I don't think I've ever on TL played in a game, and I've played in a LOT of games, in which mafia knew the setup and town didn't; with the exception of semi-open mini games with like 3 setups and Mafia could infer it based on their own roles, but so oculd town from the list of possible setups does this happen now on TL Mafia? I've never heard of such a thing. I am pretty sure you were the one saying mafia knows the setup?!
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On June 23 2017 08:46 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah I think "Mafia knew the setup" is a weird assumption to make, like it's the kind of assumption that's obviously false
that you might make
if you were trying to pretend not to be mafia
by pretending to think something that mafia obviously wouldn't think
dumbtell
yes
it returns This wasn't a good argument in Rels case and it hasn't become any better.
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On June 23 2017 08:47 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 08:47 Chezitwo wrote:On June 23 2017 08:45 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 08:44 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:43 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 23 2017 08:41 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:39 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 08:38 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:38 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 08:37 Blazinghand wrote: [quote]
Why would mafia assume "2x redcheck on 2 mafia" -> "parity cop"? Because "If SL had two redchecks as role cop he would've absolutely claimed already." hmm, actually this is a good point for thinking SL is lying about the 2 red checks. I'm not sure how this maps to "so he's definitely a parity cop" though I didn't say that he's "defintely a parity cop". I said that the only 2 logical assumptions to make is that he is either bluffing or is a parity cop. ok fine but the logic still holds then. Mafia saw someone claim 2x redcheck on 2 of them, or 1 of them and 1 green, and the assumption that town would make is "oh he's just trolling" but mafia see sthis and his frightened and shoots him right away for being pcop or just profoundly stupid cop if he claimed 2x redcheck on greens, I feel like this wouldn't have come to mafia attention, right? like remember we need osme way to explain the SL shot based on "Mafia somehow figured out he was blue" Mafia could know the setup I don't think I've ever on TL played in a game, and I've played in a LOT of games, in which mafia knew the setup and town didn't; with the exception of semi-open mini games with like 3 setups and Mafia could infer it based on their own roles, but so oculd town from the list of possible setups does this happen now on TL Mafia? I've never heard of such a thing. I am pretty sure you were the one saying mafia knows the setup?! Quote please. Apologies if you didn't but someone definitely did and it sounds like something you would say. I will not look for it this late.
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On June 23 2017 08:50 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 08:49 Chezitwo wrote:On June 23 2017 08:47 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 08:47 Chezitwo wrote:On June 23 2017 08:45 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 08:44 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:43 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 23 2017 08:41 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:39 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 08:38 Blazinghand wrote: [quote]
hmm, actually this is a good point for thinking SL is lying about the 2 red checks. I'm not sure how this maps to "so he's definitely a parity cop" though I didn't say that he's "defintely a parity cop". I said that the only 2 logical assumptions to make is that he is either bluffing or is a parity cop. ok fine but the logic still holds then. Mafia saw someone claim 2x redcheck on 2 of them, or 1 of them and 1 green, and the assumption that town would make is "oh he's just trolling" but mafia see sthis and his frightened and shoots him right away for being pcop or just profoundly stupid cop if he claimed 2x redcheck on greens, I feel like this wouldn't have come to mafia attention, right? like remember we need osme way to explain the SL shot based on "Mafia somehow figured out he was blue" Mafia could know the setup I don't think I've ever on TL played in a game, and I've played in a LOT of games, in which mafia knew the setup and town didn't; with the exception of semi-open mini games with like 3 setups and Mafia could infer it based on their own roles, but so oculd town from the list of possible setups does this happen now on TL Mafia? I've never heard of such a thing. I am pretty sure you were the one saying mafia knows the setup?! Quote please. Apologies if you didn't but someone definitely did and it sounds like something you would say. I will not look for it this late. It was FecalFeast Joke again? Can't tell. What I mean was way way earlier in the game.
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On June 23 2017 08:50 Fecalfeast wrote: The only fear I have is that if I'm mafia and have a framer I'd want marvs slot framed every night. Such an obvious copcheck Don't worry bruv.
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On June 23 2017 08:52 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 08:49 Chezitwo wrote:On June 23 2017 08:47 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 08:47 Chezitwo wrote:On June 23 2017 08:45 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 08:44 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:43 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 23 2017 08:41 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:39 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 08:38 Blazinghand wrote: [quote]
hmm, actually this is a good point for thinking SL is lying about the 2 red checks. I'm not sure how this maps to "so he's definitely a parity cop" though I didn't say that he's "defintely a parity cop". I said that the only 2 logical assumptions to make is that he is either bluffing or is a parity cop. ok fine but the logic still holds then. Mafia saw someone claim 2x redcheck on 2 of them, or 1 of them and 1 green, and the assumption that town would make is "oh he's just trolling" but mafia see sthis and his frightened and shoots him right away for being pcop or just profoundly stupid cop if he claimed 2x redcheck on greens, I feel like this wouldn't have come to mafia attention, right? like remember we need osme way to explain the SL shot based on "Mafia somehow figured out he was blue" Mafia could know the setup I don't think I've ever on TL played in a game, and I've played in a LOT of games, in which mafia knew the setup and town didn't; with the exception of semi-open mini games with like 3 setups and Mafia could infer it based on their own roles, but so oculd town from the list of possible setups does this happen now on TL Mafia? I've never heard of such a thing. I am pretty sure you were the one saying mafia knows the setup?! Quote please. Apologies if you didn't but someone definitely did and it sounds like something you would say. I will not look for it this late. Then let me find it for you, since your short term memory is so faulty. Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 08:43 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 23 2017 08:41 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:39 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 08:38 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:38 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 08:27 Blazinghand wrote:On June 23 2017 08:24 Chezitwo wrote: Like, BH is painting a world were SL has 2 fucking redchecks and doesn't claim even when he is almost lynched. That is absolutely ridiculous. no the point isn't that he had 2 redchecks. you're literally lying about what I'm sayhing. The point is, SL had a "same" check between you and FeFe. right? I mean, what other crumb is there? it HAS to be that, unless you can find a different crumb? So his "I have redchecks on FeFE and Chez" is his crumbing that he had a SAMECHECK on you guys. But Mafia didn't KNOW that it was a samecheck, mafia thought it was two redchecks I disagree with this point. If SL had two redchecks as role cop he would've absolutely claimed already. So the only reasonable assumption for mafia to make, is either: 1) is that he is a parity cop. 2) he is bluffing. Why would mafia assume "2x redcheck on 2 mafia" -> "parity cop"? Because "If SL had two redchecks as role cop he would've absolutely claimed already." hmm, actually this is a good point for thinking SL is lying about the 2 red checks. I'm not sure how this maps to "so he's definitely a parity cop" though I didn't say that he's "defintely a parity cop". I said that the only 2 logical assumptions to make is that he is either bluffing or is a parity cop. ok fine but the logic still holds then. Mafia saw someone claim 2x redcheck on 2 of them, or 1 of them and 1 green, and the assumption that town would make is "oh he's just trolling" but mafia see sthis and his frightened and shoots him right away for being pcop or just profoundly stupid cop if he claimed 2x redcheck on greens, I feel like this wouldn't have come to mafia attention, right? like remember we need osme way to explain the SL shot based on "Mafia somehow figured out he was blue" Mafia could know the setup Jesus motherfucking christ...
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Enough fun for today. That was a really helpful nightkill - thanks mafia.
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On June 23 2017 15:50 disformation wrote: i dont believr va didnt shoot xata n1
voting va when i get to a pc Nonono.
Why would he make that play? We can lynch him if he is still alive in LYLO. And if he is telling the truth then night3 was really good. The protective role can just claim whenever they are about to be lynched.
Makes me think BH either unnecessarily acted yesterday or he was just excited town.
Still want to murder rayn.
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On June 23 2017 16:00 disformation wrote: like va claims to play thos game purely on mechanics. he ahould have 100% known that xata was THE shot to make. doesnt shoot xata.
holds shot to n3 in a game where scum has tons of kp n1 and n2. and unspecified roles etc...
not inclinded tp believe that You are right that not shooting xatalos/keeping his shot until this late is somewhat suspicious and vig is a somewhat save fakeclaim now. But weirder things happened.
On June 23 2017 16:03 disformation wrote: meh. fair enough i guess. still want to hear his thought process about fhis stuff. Fair enough.
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On June 23 2017 18:33 disformation wrote: ppl i dont want to kill: fefe chezitwo va (lets see what his answers are and if he gets shot next night or not etc) disfo (i think getting out of the game would be the best thing in ever, but ppl tend to yell at me when i do retarded shit) Seems like quite a decent list to start with :D
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On June 23 2017 20:40 disformation wrote: i have some ideas/theories about setup related stuff, but i def. dont want to give scum ideas for fake claiming. :/ Well, I guess you are mafia after all.
Koshi logic never fails.
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Pull yourself together man. It is getting slightly annoying how much you pity yourself.
We can create a wagon on Palmar and see what happens. Sure. But I do not think he has the highest chance of being mafia.
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On June 23 2017 20:52 disformation wrote: aight. gonna be honest, not enjoying this game a lot since like n2. still cant stop trying to solve/caring too much about it. sry for the whine.
well. who do you think has a better/the highest chance at scum? rayn? Yep, for example. His SL defense is still weird and out of place and he seemingly has 0 interest in solving the game.
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At least I really have the feeling that one of rayn and rels has to be mafia.
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On June 23 2017 21:16 beentheredonethat wrote: at this point I think Eversince is basically confirmed scum by the way. She's not there, not modkilled, no contribution, nothing at all, and what a coincidence, all while nobody talks about her.
I realize people are after Palmar? Why?
oh and ##vote Skynx Says ES is confirmed mafia. Votes skynx.
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On June 23 2017 22:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 15:55 Chezitwo wrote:On June 23 2017 15:50 disformation wrote: i dont believr va didnt shoot xata n1
voting va when i get to a pc Nonono. Why would he make that play? We can lynch him if he is still alive in LYLO. And if he is telling the truth then night3 was really good. The protective role can just claim whenever they are about to be lynched. Makes me think BH either unnecessarily acted yesterday or he was just excited town. Still want to murder rayn. What an ungrateful basterd. Chill dude. I am currently in the process of reading your filter and sadly it is a lot better than I thought.
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On June 23 2017 22:10 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm currently filter Chezitwo and on page 12, no read, page 11, no read. Page 10, no read. Page 9, no read. Page 8, no read. Page 7, townread on Rels.
When he's in thread, he's always discussing stuff but never reaches a solid conclusion. He's not giving much information about where he stands and it is super hard to even identify who he reads how.
I fully retract my townread right now, especially given that sicklucker claimed a red check on Chez (although as parity cop, this is only possible if he checked Xata N1 which is super possible and super likely, too)
You Sir are once again talking straight out of your ass.
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On June 23 2017 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also also i am glad i still have good reads. <3 You apparently do if you are town. I have to apologize - I lost my interest in lynching you while reading your filter. The really good posts happened mostly in the part of the game I still haven't read it seems.
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Yeah, seems we are in a pretty good position actually. Whoever is town in the questionable bunch needs to step the fuck up though.
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On June 23 2017 23:06 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 23:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 23 2017 23:02 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 22:55 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 23 2017 22:46 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 22:45 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 23 2017 22:44 ruXxar wrote: as for btdt, I think he's just not reading the game at all.
He's just looking at a score sheet without follwing the game.
I can't trust any of his reads or theories. Is that coming from the guy who does the weird things that don't make sense all the time ever since D1 happened? Yeah that's exactly the guy. Sure, but this is beyond bad: On June 22 2017 18:48 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 22 2017 08:01 Half the Sky wrote:Final Vote Count - Day 3 Grackaroni (9): ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Chezitwo, beentheredonethat, VayneAuthority, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand, raynpelikoneet, disformation, Palmar, Eversince sicklucker (3): disformation, Palmar, Grackaroni, Rels, Skynx, Chezitwo, GrackaroniPalmar (2): disformation, Grackaroni, disformation, Fecalfeast VayneAuthority (1): Grackaroni disformation (0): disformationRels (0): sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, SkynxFecalfeast (0): TumblewoodSkynx (0): Palmar, Skynxraynpelikoneet (0): RelsruXxar (0): Blazinghandbeentheredonethat (0): disformationHalf the Sky is throwing Grackaroni out of her whiskey bar. Observations: 1 Pretty much uncontested Grack wagon 2 Votes in hammer range on town: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand 3 Irrelevant votes: raynpelikoneet, Palmar (starting with Rayn as hammer because Fecalfeast was originally part of the Grack wagon) 4 "Counter wagon" votes: Rels, Skynx, Chezitwo 5 Wasted votes: disformation, (Fecalfeast) re: 1) Having an uncontested wagon where no big discussion is revolving around pretty much means it's a town wagon. However, I think there was actually a lot of discussion in the past day, especially started by Rels. I am town reading Rels right now; he came out of the lurker shadows to actually talk. I also like his fighting with rayn and I'm super worried about rayn not being the town super hero that pushes people around. So Rels up, rayn down, although I gotta admit I haven't looked too deeply into the fight these two have. My association between Skynx and Grack was obviously wrong. Nevertheless I find it super suspicious that Skynx chimed in, threw around some shade, later on pissed off, let the Grack lynch happen without really putting in work to push the sicklucker lynch. I am sure that there is scum on the Grack wagon and I am fairly certain that not all scummers are on that wagon; and Skynx' vote feels off. We have two mislynches as someone pointed out; so a vig shot (if available) gets more and more risky - but Skynx is a decent target. But I'm super super super afraid here. Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince (voted super late each time) Town should be: disformation (mehhhhhhhh, and only if he doesn't die this night lol, and town rage), Chezitwo (mainly based on D2), Rels (based on D3) Meh: Palmar, Tumblewood, Blazinghand, ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority, sicklucker, rayn I hope I didn't forget anyone. re: 2) These three players were basically the ones who sealed the Grack lynch: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand. All of them will be moved to the scum pool for that: Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand Town should be: disformation, Chezitwo, Rels Meh: Palmar, ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority, rayn So without further ado, they come into the scum pool. re: 3) Same as 2), can just be scum chiming in. Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand, Palmar, rayn Town should be: disformation, Chezitwo, Rels Meh: ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority re: 4) Rels pushing sicklucker matches what he did all D2. I don't think that this is scum pushing a second town wagon here. So if Rels would be scum, then sicklucker would most likely also be scum and we have a bus attempt to get town cred, which IMHO is a rather bad and useless bus because there's no way Rels gains towncred from this vote if sicklucker flips scum at any point. Skynx' vote on the other hand isn't as solid als Rels' vote. He not voting Grack (although he did say something about voting Grack, or am I wrong there?) is actually scum indicative here as he pretty much wasted his vote, putting it on unflipped instead of townflip. I'm certain Skynx is scum. Chezitwo voting sicklucker - mehhhhhhhhhhhhh. Given how super eager he was to lynch Xata over Xata's cop claim, I don't know why he voted sicklucker here and kinda wasted his vote. I need to check the context of that vote as well as the reasoning. NAI imho but I'm not too sure. I don't have too many townreads so I'll keep him on the list "just cause" but I am indeed a bit paranoid. re: 5) The only thing that comes to my mind is that disfo said early D3 that he'd end up voting Grackaroni anyways. Not sure what to make out of that but it striked me as weird. That's actually a decent piece of work which is flawed. And so we talked about it. There is that slight difference in "hey, that's false, let's discuss" and "this is a piece of shit" Well it didn't seem like you would change your mind when three people told you that it was incorrect: On June 22 2017 19:06 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 22 2017 18:55 Blazinghand wrote: I was the hammer. Rayn made in hammering Impoasbkle. Everything else is window dressing. TW and SL didn't hammer. I did. Get the facts straight "votes in hammer range on town: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand" Tumblewood provided the hammer, sicklucker lifted it, you banged it on the table. I think I have my facts straight here and you're trying to misrepresent my case. Why do you do this? On June 22 2017 21:00 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 22 2017 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 22 2017 19:06 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 22 2017 18:55 Blazinghand wrote: I was the hammer. Rayn made in hammering Impoasbkle. Everything else is window dressing. TW and SL didn't hammer. I did. Get the facts straight "votes in hammer range on town: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand" Tumblewood provided the hammer, sicklucker lifted it, you banged it on the table. I think I have my facts straight here and you're trying to misrepresent my case. Why do you do this? You don't have your facts straight. Take my face and ram it onto how it is correctly as town!rayn would do it and also call me bad as town!rayn would On June 22 2017 23:18 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 22 2017 23:15 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 23:09 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 22 2017 21:57 ruXxar wrote:On June 22 2017 21:00 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 22 2017 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 22 2017 19:06 beentheredonethat wrote: [quote]
"votes in hammer range on town: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand" Tumblewood provided the hammer, sicklucker lifted it, you banged it on the table.
I think I have my facts straight here and you're trying to misrepresent my case. Why do you do this? You don't have your facts straight. Take my face and ram it onto how it is correctly as town!rayn would do it and also call me bad as town!rayn would Rayn and BH are right. You are misrepresenting how the voting went down, and final vote count is absolutely not represenatitve of what the situation looked like. Therefore your analysis is pretty much void. The ones who put the deciding votes on a wagon are hammer votes. This is what I am analyzing. And I put all three of them into possible scum range. Do you disagree? The hammer votes was BH and Rayn. Anyone who was reading the thread at the time can confirm that. Well then BH Who's all defensive about himself voting Grack, like "I did it and I stand by having done so" and who's pointing to himself as being the hammer. Is that scum being aware of how bad he looks who's trying to bring up points before town can bring it up? Dude you really think that makes him mafia? Because i think the opposite. He is pushing insane shit and basically begging to be lynched. Thats not how mafia plays. Idk if you have played with him before but thats always how btdt gets lynched. I'm saying I can't trust any of his reads, not that he is mafia.
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Fail.
Post was supposed to say: then who is mafia and why? Unreasoned lists do not count as an answer.
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On June 23 2017 23:32 Palmar wrote: oh we're voting me today?
could we rather do it next cycle so it doesn't happen on a weekend? You already had more than enough time to start playing the game.
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On June 23 2017 23:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 20:49 Chezitwo wrote: Pull yourself together man. It is getting slightly annoying how much you pity yourself.
We can create a wagon on Palmar and see what happens. Sure. But I do not think he has the highest chance of being mafia. It's harder to apply the possible TMI vs insight to Chezitwo than Rels. He agrees with Rels that I am not mafia. He doesn't really think I'm one all, but wants to start a train on me for policy reasons. It is a good policy, I'm a total scumbag for not doing anything, although my Damdred townread was great. Thing is, Chezitwo sounds like someone who knows what he is doing. His posts are readable and concise and I have an easy time following his train of thought in general. So yeah, he fully admits to pressure voting me. I think his reaction and followup today will reveal much more about him than The only thing that gives me pause is that for someone who is good enough to realize that I am much more likely to do this as town than mafia, it feels weird that he made this post: Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 07:40 Chezitwo wrote:On June 20 2017 06:43 Palmar wrote: Rels is evil!
I have no idea, I haven't read much lately.
I saw darthfoley thinks btdt is mafia, that is an interesting development as I've previously mentioned suspecting both of them. I also should catch up on what sicklucker is doing.
Chezitwo is probably mafia because marv not playing is like 99% because he rolled mafia. Sucks, but replacements are always more likely to be mafia, and in this case it's especially prevalent. So, are you claiming it is normal for marv to completely vanish from TL due to rolling mafia? Because if you are not you don't have a leg to stand on. You see, if he is good enough and knows me and TL meta well enough to realize I don't do what I'm doing this game as scum, it's weird that he doesn't know that marv tends to go a bit mad when rolling mafia. I don't know. It's weak and I'm not sure he deserves to be lynched, it's not a bad reason for voting me. I think I'll give his vote 7/10 I do know how marv acts as mafia. But it simply isn't applicable this game which I have explained multiple times by now which you would know if you would have read the game.
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On June 24 2017 00:04 Eversince wrote: Ok I can't make sense of SL's crumbs/reads.
FF/Chez town is general consensus. That's fine and all, I already read both of them town anyway. Problem that I'm having here is SL's read on TW was 100% confirmed town. But SL didn't check FF/Chez. SL visited TW N1, Chez N2. SL also was very sure Marv's slot is mafia. Never gave this any other chance. Which is why if he got a return of different TW is the town and Chez is the scum. I don't know why he implied FF got included in that at all. Not sure why he would lie about his checks as town. And if TW/Chez came back as same I have a hard time putting TW as town.
I visited Rels N3. He was a total shut in.
Before it gets mentioned, I obviously have no reason to claim right now as mafia. But town needs the info because everyone seems to be having just about as much trouble as I am. I'm obviously not much use right now other than being lynch bait on everyone's mind. So let's kill two birds with one stone.
You visited SL 2 times in a row? Why?
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When did SL state his tumble read then? Because if he was 100 % sure TW is town because he thought I am mafia then Tumblewood is mafia.
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If rayn is town then I guess it is somewhat likely that Rels is mafia too. I have a weak spot for Rels logic which is why I always have trouble reading him mafia. He just thinks very similarly to me and is very good at emulating his town thoughts as mafia. But I had the feeling he was just repeating the things I said during last night today when he caught up with the thread.
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On June 24 2017 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2017 00:11 Chezitwo wrote: When did SL state his tumble read then? Because if he was 100 % sure TW is town because he thought I am mafia then Tumblewood is mafia. Wait you and Tumble are same if eversince is town? Am i getting this right? I understood it like SL thought Tumble is town and I am mafia. Which would indicate a different check.
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On June 24 2017 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2017 00:15 Chezitwo wrote:On June 24 2017 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 24 2017 00:11 Chezitwo wrote: When did SL state his tumble read then? Because if he was 100 % sure TW is town because he thought I am mafia then Tumblewood is mafia. Wait you and Tumble are same if eversince is town? Am i getting this right? I understood it like SL thought Tumble is town and I am mafia. Which would indicate a different check. That doesnt make any sense. If he thinks you are toen strongly why doesnt he push tumble d3? SL thought I am mafia all game. Because of marvs absence.
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So when he saw the different result he thought TW is town because he is just this bad at the game.
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Yep, tumbleboy is going down then. Palmar gets his chance during the week.
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On June 24 2017 00:27 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2017 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 24 2017 00:22 disformation wrote: thats it? Yes he calls one of his checks town and one scum. Assuming ES is town one of them is mafia or miller and i dont think chez is scum, and one miller has flipped. This is not lylo right? Well that should be relatively easy. I can keep being the nosy neighbor girl til scum kills me. They will have to kill me. Good job.
Really goes to show how terrible SL played though. Basically all our roles were used on him and all dead townies thought he is mafia.
Never play differently as a blue role folks.
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On June 24 2017 01:11 Rels wrote: So. Tumble and Chez got back as different alignemnts. A miller has flipped. That means that mechanically speaking:
It's very, very unlikely they're both town. It would mean unlikely stuff like: a second milller, or a framer that offensively framed Chez, when usually framer protects the team.
It's highly likely one of them is scum.
It's kiiiinda possible that both are scum: if one of them is GF, or if they have a framer who defensively framed Chez. But much less likely than much one of them. How come you always assume I am the one framed in your scenarios? Why can't tumble be framed?
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On June 24 2017 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Chez youre actually kitaman? Please say if you are. If I comment on this I will have to react to every idea of who I am and I'd rather not.
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On June 24 2017 01:25 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2017 01:23 Chezitwo wrote:On June 24 2017 01:11 Rels wrote: So. Tumble and Chez got back as different alignemnts. A miller has flipped. That means that mechanically speaking:
It's very, very unlikely they're both town. It would mean unlikely stuff like: a second milller, or a framer that offensively framed Chez, when usually framer protects the team.
It's highly likely one of them is scum.
It's kiiiinda possible that both are scum: if one of them is GF, or if they have a framer who defensively framed Chez. But much less likely than much one of them. How come you always assume I am the one framed in your scenarios? Why can't tumble be framed? dunno. Probably 'cause marv would be a perfect frame target meh, I'll allow it.
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On June 24 2017 01:42 Rels wrote: Leaving work, see you in a few hours. (= Chezkita, if you could bring up the townie posts you found in rayn's filter it would be great I don't know if I can really be bothered to do this. Just read his filter yourself. The good stuff is basically almost everything that comes before he starts nitpicking your ES stuff.
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Skimming SLs filter the TW check does make a lot more sense than the FF one. Even if it wasn't already really stupid to fakeclaim like this in ES' position it checks out quite well.
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If the game is simple then the mafia team is something like Xatalos, Tumblewood, BH, Skynx + 1 of Palmar/Rels/Rayn assuming a 5 man team. If mafia is lurking in the "good actor" category (btdt, ruxxar, FF) or between the claims then it will get slightly more annoying.
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On June 24 2017 02:14 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2017 02:08 Chezitwo wrote: If the game is simple then the mafia team is something like Xatalos, Tumblewood, BH, Skynx + 1 of Palmar/Rels/Rayn assuming a 5 man team. If mafia is lurking in the "good actor" category (btdt, ruxxar, FF) or between the claims then it will get slightly more annoying. You said something positive about me for once. Thanks. I think I already said earlier that I would be impressed if you are mafia.
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On June 24 2017 03:43 ruXxar wrote: If I'm on the third train on a towns person I'm going to just concede. Only mafia can concede bro. I don't get the negative attitude right now.
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Yo EVERSINCE. Pleaso do not forget to vote
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On June 25 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote: Look at the annul train day 1. Four out theory of 2 scum to be correct, either Fefe or rels is scum.
If I had to lynch one, I would lynch rels. Has there ever been any foundation for your "theory"? This justification just sounds completely retarded to me. Maybe there are 2 mafia on the wagon maybe there aren't.
I agree with the palmar lynch next if only because we cannot tolerate this kind of play. The few posts he made were ok.
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Well, seems TW doesn't bother to come out and play. How boring...
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I would still love it if our supposed tracker would just vote someone...
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Knew they had a rolecop too.
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"marv was afk - confirmed mafia" herp derp
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On June 25 2017 08:05 ruXxar wrote:Which means vigi and mafia shot overlapped shot overlapped on SL. Unless, VA is mafia. No, it doesn't mean that. But it makes it possible.
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It basically makes VA claim a little more questionable. Not too worried about it right now though.
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On June 25 2017 08:08 ruXxar wrote: Everything points towards mafia being afk. Not even bothering to show up to defend themselves. They knew he couldn't win this fight so why bother?
Says nothing about the rest of the team.
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On June 25 2017 08:19 disformation wrote: dunno. not inclined to talk setup. just might give scum stupid ideas in the end. had some ideas earlier along the lines of: 1 of rels vs rayn 1 of btdt vs skynx 1 of bh vs palmar if i am wrong on one add ruxxar
dunno if that makes complete sense though If you are right then my bet would be rels, skynx and BH. But I doubt it's really that easy.
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Just in case this wasn't obvious yet:
TO OUR POTENTIAL PROTECTIVE ROLE:
You do not WIFOM tonight. You save Eversince without a doubt. Do not try to be a hero. Save the investigative role.
If I die that is fine, if VA dies that is good.
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On June 26 2017 07:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 08:36 disformation wrote:yo palmar. hope you are ready to play starting next day phase Well do I need to? we just lynched the most scummy guy who wanted to kill me. I think we're doing allright. Let's keep lynching scummy people y'know? Sure, all you have to do is find the remaining mafia and convince us it is them and not you. You have 48 hours.
Good luck
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