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If xatalos flips scum this game is like 99% solved.
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On June 17 2017 19:36 disformation wrote:
sry that thing screams super desperate town trying to get one more day.
though i am slightly biased since i 100% know im 100% town n stuff. =D
???
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On June 17 2017 19:39 disformation wrote:
to hype to type! =D
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Xatalos, ignoring your red check, who would you have lynched today?
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On June 17 2017 19:42 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 19:40 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:35 disformation wrote:
got any crumbs?
why claim so early in the game and not try to case me to get more info/reactions before claiming midday?
technically i suppose it is not impossible for there to be a framer or some stuff
I suppose you could theoretically be another unaware Miller, or there could even be a Framer role. The odds aren't good at all though in either case. I didn't make any posts on the purpose of claiming my check (or role), since there are always risks. I think my play has been very similar to how I played as Cop last time though (including the EOD D1 events) - can't remember the name now but I can dig it up. Didn't really crumb there either, but my checks were successes either way. Weren't people calling for a vigshot on you? I did not read very closely yesterday but I seem to remember it this way. Seems more than just risky.
Yeah, DF called for a vigshot on xata.
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On June 17 2017 19:42 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 19:35 ruXxar wrote:On June 17 2017 19:33 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:31 Chezitwo wrote:
Sadly it could be more believable if you weren't the designated lynch, Mr. Xatalos. Well, I'm already dead by N2 regardless. I'm content even if disfo gets lynched tomorrow - of course today would be preferable so scum would use a kill on me instead. Heres the thing. Lynching you and having you flip as either alignment is going to give us more information than disfo flipping as scum. Does it really? If disfo flips scum (very likely), then I die N2, it seems like the optimal situation info-wise. Even if I'm lying, it'd be apparent soon enough so makes no difference for vote information. In any case it's not too bad even if I do get lynched now I guess.
I already made a case for why you can't be the same alignment.
On June 17 2017 18:33 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 03:37 Koshi wrote:
Koshi (5): Holyflare, disformation, beentheredonethat, annul, ruXxar
ruXxar (3): Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Vivax
There is at least 2 probably 3 mafia in these 9 players and I am pretty sure it isn't ruXxar. So 3 in 7. And I am pretty sure it isn't Vivax or fefe. So that's 3 in 5. Doesn't get easier than that. Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 03:39 Koshi wrote:
And both disfo and btdt are doing this same thing of not fully committing to scumread me but do it meh meh. I think btdt is more likely mafia over disfo though. Probably not both. And then HF is without doubt pushing mafia agenda the most this game. What a scrub cuz he is more likely town. Here's two posts of koshi that he made early. Looking at this list, and knowing that koshi is town, I would assume that there is definitely some mafia on the koshi train. I mean, Holyflare is like the EASIEST guy to sheep. If holy flare makes a push on someone, it's so easy to just ride on the back of his arguments and let him do all the job. Knowing that, I think koshi is right. There is one mafia here: Koshi (5): Holyflare, disformation, beentheredonethat, annul, ruXxarruXxar (3): Fecalfeast, Xatalos, VivaxAlso notice that there was two town wagons going. That means that mafia has no reason to pile up together, they rather split up to reduce risk.
Now here's another tidbit I want to throw out there. Theres no way that xatalos and disformation are scum together.Here's why: Look at this vote. Koshi is sitting comfortably in the lead as town, mafia are happy. Xatalos has 3 votes, but is not directly in danger yet. Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 02:09 Half the Sky wrote:Vote Count - Day 1 Koshi (5): Holyflare, disformation, beentheredonethat, Vivax, annul, ruXxar, VivaxruXxar (3): Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Vivax Xatalos (3): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx raynpelikoneet (1): Xatalos, sicklucker, Tumblewoodmarvellosity (1): Koshi, Tumblewood sicklucker (1): Palmar Palmar (0): Koshi, Skynxbeentheredonethat (0): KoshiEversince (0): sickluckerNot voted (8): Rels, Damdred, VayneAuthority, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity, Grackaroni, Eversince So what happens next? The vote situation ends up like this: Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 03:58 Half the Sky wrote:Vote Count - Day 1 Xatalos (4): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation Koshi (3): Holyflare, disformation, beentheredonethat, Vivax, annul, ruXxar, Vivaxannul (3): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast ruXxar (2): Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Vivax marvellosity (1): Koshi, Tumblewood sicklucker (1): Palmar Tumblewood (0): ruXxarPalmar (0): sickluckerraynpelikoneet (0): Xatalos, sicklucker, TumblewoodPalmar (0): Koshi, Skynxbeentheredonethat (0): KoshiEversince (0): sickluckerNot voted (8): Rels, Damdred, VayneAuthority, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity, Grackaroni, Eversince There is no way Disformation would do this to his buddy xatalosSo the conclusion is this. If Xatalos is mafia, then Disformation is town.I'm very confident in this finding.
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On June 17 2017 20:02 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 19:55 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 19:51 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:42 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 19:40 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:35 disformation wrote:
got any crumbs?
why claim so early in the game and not try to case me to get more info/reactions before claiming midday?
technically i suppose it is not impossible for there to be a framer or some stuff
I suppose you could theoretically be another unaware Miller, or there could even be a Framer role. The odds aren't good at all though in either case. I didn't make any posts on the purpose of claiming my check (or role), since there are always risks. I think my play has been very similar to how I played as Cop last time though (including the EOD D1 events) - can't remember the name now but I can dig it up. Didn't really crumb there either, but my checks were successes either way. Weren't people calling for a vigshot on you? I did not read very closely yesterday but I seem to remember it this way. Seems more than just risky. I suppose it wasn't impossible I might have been shot. It wasn't for sure there even was a Vig though, and no way in hell would scum shoot me, and the optimal Vig shot would have been more in the direction of the AFK lurkers than just killing for info, so I wasn't too worried. If I had claimed / crumbed noticeably in the night, the odds of being shot/roleblocked would have increased instead. So, are you going to solve the game today? Because you put us in a very inconvenient position. Your claim is very suspicious. Worst comes to worst, disfo is just a free lynch D3. I don't terribly mind that outcome since I'm dying soon no matter what. Considering that, I think I'll have some time today to read the game so I can try to leave a legacy.
I'm thinking that if you had a red check, you wouldn't give up this easily and be so calm about it.
You should be kicking and screaming all the way to the gallows.
Like, a cop is a HUGE asset to town. You were so close to getting lynched yesterday, yet you made no effort to even change the tide of the votes, know that you could play a critical role in winning this for us.
My feeling is that if you were a cop, you would have put in way more effort yesterday to get out of a near lynch situation.
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On June 17 2017 20:13 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 20:10 ruXxar wrote:On June 17 2017 20:02 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:55 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 19:51 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:42 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 19:40 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:35 disformation wrote:
got any crumbs?
why claim so early in the game and not try to case me to get more info/reactions before claiming midday?
technically i suppose it is not impossible for there to be a framer or some stuff
I suppose you could theoretically be another unaware Miller, or there could even be a Framer role. The odds aren't good at all though in either case. I didn't make any posts on the purpose of claiming my check (or role), since there are always risks. I think my play has been very similar to how I played as Cop last time though (including the EOD D1 events) - can't remember the name now but I can dig it up. Didn't really crumb there either, but my checks were successes either way. Weren't people calling for a vigshot on you? I did not read very closely yesterday but I seem to remember it this way. Seems more than just risky. I suppose it wasn't impossible I might have been shot. It wasn't for sure there even was a Vig though, and no way in hell would scum shoot me, and the optimal Vig shot would have been more in the direction of the AFK lurkers than just killing for info, so I wasn't too worried. If I had claimed / crumbed noticeably in the night, the odds of being shot/roleblocked would have increased instead. So, are you going to solve the game today? Because you put us in a very inconvenient position. Your claim is very suspicious. Worst comes to worst, disfo is just a free lynch D3. I don't terribly mind that outcome since I'm dying soon no matter what. Considering that, I think I'll have some time today to read the game so I can try to leave a legacy. I'm thinking that if you had a red check, you wouldn't give up this easily and be so calm about it. You should be kicking and screaming all the way to the gallows. Like, a cop is a HUGE asset to town. You were so close to getting lynched yesterday, yet you made no effort to even change the tide of the votes, know that you could play a critical role in winning this for us. My feeling is that if you were a cop, you would have put in way more effort yesterday to get out of a near lynch situation. I think I played exactly similarly last time I was Cop and the main wagon at D1 end. I thought of claiming there several times too, but hid my cards as much as I possibly could, betting on the chance of an approaching reversal.
If you are a cop, why didn't you put in a check on the person that was leading the counter wagon?
In your situation I would've checked sicklucker.
Sicklucker was the lead of a train on annul, as well as being trained on by holy flare.
Did you think that all three wagons: Annul, Sicklucker and You were town?
That would be quite masterful play by the mafia.
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Meh, I think I'm going to pack it up and and get me some fresh air.
I think todays lynch is pretty much set in stone.
It's up to the mafia to try and turn the tides.
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On June 17 2017 20:29 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 20:23 ruXxar wrote:
Meh, I think I'm going to pack it up and and get me some fresh air.
I think todays lynch is pretty much set in stone.
It's up to the mafia to try and turn the tides. It is actually surprisingly fine with me. I'm so dead regardless that a small boost to victory odds by tonnes of effort doesn't seem hugely appealing. If that's what we decide, then so be it. That being said, I'm in the unique position of knowing that disfo is already scum, so I'll most likely look at things and try to solve the scumteam from that perspective later tonight when I have more time again.
Please do.
I'm open to considering other options if you bring something convincing to the table.
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On June 17 2017 20:33 Xatalos wrote:
Ahh yeah, someone asked me why I thought annul had a good reputation?
Not exactly sure from where. I think he's been playing for like 10 years or something though? So I thought he would be better than that as town.
Why did you wait so long after the day post to claim your role?
Did you honestly think you wouldn't be the target today?
If so, then who did you think would look scummy enough that town would lynch today, besides you?
Heres how it works out:
1)
You claim cop instantly.
We lynch disfo.
You get shot by mafia. Another town gets shot by mafia.
We trade cop for 1 mafia.
A net -1 loss for town
2)
You dont claim.
You get lynched.
We lose a cop and 2 towns tonight.
A net -3 loss for town.
Either way you die, so the best course of action is just to claim immediately.
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On June 17 2017 20:58 disformation wrote:
really really pissed we dont have a vig
You cant say that for sure.
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On June 17 2017 20:59 disformation wrote:
and it is frustratingly hard to find specific posts already
I wish the ALL button you get with TL+ was available in mafia games.
It's almost like cheating for people who have it.
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On June 17 2017 22:00 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 21:58 disformation wrote:
since ppl brought up that it would be fairly odd if not at least 1 guy tried to get some cred by bussing which is a decent thought It's exceptionally unlikely. If you are mafia and Ruxxar town though it would make sense that mafia skynx pinged Ruxxar at the start of D1 for +1ing your post. I'm not on Xatalos autolynch btw. You will have to convince me you are town. I'll be gone grilling for most of the day so you won't have to endure me for much longer.
If we have a cop I absolutely do not want them to claim now, when the path is so straightforward today.
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On June 17 2017 22:11 darthfoley wrote:
If Xata flips cop/Town somehow I think there's a very good chance ruXxar is mafia as well as disformation
I agree with this logic.
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On June 17 2017 21:10 Vivax wrote:I'm catching up , gonna ignore all this cop stuff until I'm done but if disfo is cop he should absolutely insta cc. I don't think the following posts at night after I left look particularly good for rayn. Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 23:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 15 2017 22:06 Koshi wrote:
Top town disfo. Not too many think that. Koshi youre gonna be so fucking wrong on this one. Pulls the post out of context and reads what Koshi said wrong. Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am seriously conflicted on if Palmar is right and sl is mafia or if Palmar is mafia....
Also HF. Maybe sl is mafia then. Says that Palmar is mafia if SL isn't. Not a good reasoning. The following posts on skynx are good on the other hand. But he completely misses SL and ES until HF points it out. I'm not used to sloppy rayn? His mafia list goes a lot with sentiment and doesn't include ES and Ruxxar for ?reasons? End of Night 1 rayn. Don't feel that he's necessarily town like I did post his big post cause of those. I think he's conveniently leaving out Ruxxar and ES in his scum list as well. Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 05:25 ruXxar wrote:On June 17 2017 05:14 darthfoley wrote:On June 17 2017 05:08 ruXxar wrote:On June 17 2017 05:02 darthfoley wrote:
Three hours to live You will die when we lynch you tomorrow. I won't be fooled by your towny appearance anymore, and I'm personally going to ensure that you are lynched. I'll admit you had me convinced there for a while. Kudos on your good town play as mafia, but this is it. I'll make sure that you are lynched if it's the last thing I do. Yawn I love how you go from this: On June 16 2017 11:47 darthfoley wrote:
You'd think Vivax, who spent all day bitching about how we didn't take his case in Eversince seriously enough, would actually participate in a legit wagon. Or vote the counter wagon to what's ES voted.
Also really don't like HF being the last vote on Xata. Placed perfectly to not kill him while also not hammering the flipped Town. Couple that with the fact that he spent way too much time "trying to convince us to vote SL" when it was clearly coming down to annul vs. Xata.
Eversince's vote is also complete garbage considering she cited HF as the only person to give her the lowdown of what was going on in the thread... then hammered the guy HF was white knighting (or defending if you want to be PC) without a care in the world. Vigi please blow Xata's brains out, but if you're feeling frisky, shoot ever since.
I need to really study how the last hour went down when I'm rested tomorrow On June 16 2017 19:18 darthfoley wrote:
Palmar may be 3p. Maybe even Koshi trying to be pro-Town 3p. Idk and I'm not sure it matters atm
Think lots of scum lies between ES, Grack, TW, sl, Rels, HF or Vixax. Still waiting for rayn to scumhunt which is concerning. I need to reread btdt and disformation. Hopefully tonight's actions resolve some issues. Unfortunately I'll probably be dead lol to this: On June 16 2017 20:31 darthfoley wrote:
My royal decree is that Vivax is probably Town and I am okay with this You tried really hard to distance yourself, and then you just gave it up easy like that. It's some advanced mafia play for sure, but you are definitely scum together with vivax and HF. Well played. Is this post by Ruxxar a troll post? Cause if he's ACTUALLY town and actually believes what he writes. Then this is a bad post cause grack sounds like he's sitting with popcorn on the sidelines enjoying the show as town Ruxxar posts completely bogus theories. Which is scummy cause it points to Grack tmi, especially since he should be living in a world where HF can be mafia since his latest read was: Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Holy flare seems like a very good vote. He's being ridiculously over the top trying to push this SL lynch.
I haven't liked either of his Vivax/Koshi pushes. And he dragged the Vivax one out for the hell of it. So this points to Grack knowing HF was town at that point. Also no read on Darthfoley whatsoever in gracks filter but he feels like it's worth posting when it's funny to make fun of Ruxxar posting super unlikely reads.
I guess it wasn't so obvious after all 
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I'm happy it worked though!!
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On June 17 2017 22:16 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 22:15 ruXxar wrote:On June 17 2017 21:10 Vivax wrote:I'm catching up , gonna ignore all this cop stuff until I'm done but if disfo is cop he should absolutely insta cc. I don't think the following posts at night after I left look particularly good for rayn. On June 16 2017 23:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 15 2017 22:06 Koshi wrote:
Top town disfo. Not too many think that. Koshi youre gonna be so fucking wrong on this one. Pulls the post out of context and reads what Koshi said wrong. On June 17 2017 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am seriously conflicted on if Palmar is right and sl is mafia or if Palmar is mafia....
Also HF. Maybe sl is mafia then. Says that Palmar is mafia if SL isn't. Not a good reasoning. The following posts on skynx are good on the other hand. But he completely misses SL and ES until HF points it out. I'm not used to sloppy rayn? His mafia list goes a lot with sentiment and doesn't include ES and Ruxxar for ?reasons? End of Night 1 rayn. Don't feel that he's necessarily town like I did post his big post cause of those. I think he's conveniently leaving out Ruxxar and ES in his scum list as well. On June 17 2017 05:25 ruXxar wrote:On June 17 2017 05:14 darthfoley wrote:On June 17 2017 05:08 ruXxar wrote:On June 17 2017 05:02 darthfoley wrote:
Three hours to live You will die when we lynch you tomorrow. I won't be fooled by your towny appearance anymore, and I'm personally going to ensure that you are lynched. I'll admit you had me convinced there for a while. Kudos on your good town play as mafia, but this is it. I'll make sure that you are lynched if it's the last thing I do. Yawn I love how you go from this: On June 16 2017 11:47 darthfoley wrote:
You'd think Vivax, who spent all day bitching about how we didn't take his case in Eversince seriously enough, would actually participate in a legit wagon. Or vote the counter wagon to what's ES voted.
Also really don't like HF being the last vote on Xata. Placed perfectly to not kill him while also not hammering the flipped Town. Couple that with the fact that he spent way too much time "trying to convince us to vote SL" when it was clearly coming down to annul vs. Xata.
Eversince's vote is also complete garbage considering she cited HF as the only person to give her the lowdown of what was going on in the thread... then hammered the guy HF was white knighting (or defending if you want to be PC) without a care in the world. Vigi please blow Xata's brains out, but if you're feeling frisky, shoot ever since.
I need to really study how the last hour went down when I'm rested tomorrow On June 16 2017 19:18 darthfoley wrote:
Palmar may be 3p. Maybe even Koshi trying to be pro-Town 3p. Idk and I'm not sure it matters atm
Think lots of scum lies between ES, Grack, TW, sl, Rels, HF or Vixax. Still waiting for rayn to scumhunt which is concerning. I need to reread btdt and disformation. Hopefully tonight's actions resolve some issues. Unfortunately I'll probably be dead lol to this: On June 16 2017 20:31 darthfoley wrote:
My royal decree is that Vivax is probably Town and I am okay with this You tried really hard to distance yourself, and then you just gave it up easy like that. It's some advanced mafia play for sure, but you are definitely scum together with vivax and HF. Well played. Is this post by Ruxxar a troll post? Cause if he's ACTUALLY town and actually believes what he writes. On June 17 2017 05:21 Grackaroni wrote:
Ruxxar is my favorite. Then this is a bad post cause grack sounds like he's sitting with popcorn on the sidelines enjoying the show as town Ruxxar posts completely bogus theories. Which is scummy cause it points to Grack tmi, especially since he should be living in a world where HF can be mafia since his latest read was: On June 16 2017 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Holy flare seems like a very good vote. He's being ridiculously over the top trying to push this SL lynch.
I haven't liked either of his Vivax/Koshi pushes. And he dragged the Vivax one out for the hell of it. So this points to Grack knowing HF was town at that point. Also no read on Darthfoley whatsoever in gracks filter but he feels like it's worth posting when it's funny to make fun of Ruxxar posting super unlikely reads. I guess it wasn't so obvious after all Not to those who still think you can be mafia no
So you think Im mafia?
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If xata is town, then its back to the drawing board.
I'd be very surprised though.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
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Nah, theres no way xata is town. no, freaking, way.
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