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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 22 2017 17:41 GMT
#4744
On June 23 2017 02:01 Fecalfeast wrote:
I was planning on shooting ruxxar but i could shoot you skynx.

:O You wanna kill town?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 23 2017 08:10 GMT
#5023
I'm inclined to trust the claim. Mafia is hiding.

##Vote: beentheredonethat
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 23 2017 08:31 GMT
#5025
He was in my list anyway buy his night accusations on me now look like tmi as they could no way expext a sl kill and sl vs grack revealing tvt wouldnt be until too late, maybe he hoped to lynch me before that who knows.

Dunno if i wanna lynch Palmar/TW before him polly not.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 23 2017 08:34 GMT
#5026
Someone else can do the hardwork amd say why he vote off wagon D1 and Grack D3, im sure they are bad reasons.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 23 2017 14:44 GMT
#5150
On June 23 2017 21:32 Chezitwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2017 21:16 beentheredonethat wrote:
at this point I think Eversince is basically confirmed scum by the way. She's not there, not modkilled, no contribution, nothing at all, and what a coincidence, all while nobody talks about her.

I realize people are after Palmar? Why?

oh and ##vote Skynx

Says ES is confirmed mafia.
Votes skynx.

this guy is scum bro..
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 23 2017 14:57 GMT
#5153
As long as: disfo, Rels, rayn, Ruxxar, Chez, VA, fefe work together this game is pretty much over. 3 ppl confirmed by roles, rest are decent scumhunters.

4 mafia and 1 3P in Palmar, TW, ES, btdt, BH sounds about right.

If it comes to confirm btdt by flipping me we still have 1 more ml so happy days
I might actually step it up if I'm bothered but I just feel like i hate everyone when i actually put in some effort and people get on me like 'whats the point of this?'.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 23 2017 15:03 GMT
#5156
On June 23 2017 23:51 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2017 23:44 Skynx wrote:
On June 23 2017 21:32 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 23 2017 21:16 beentheredonethat wrote:
at this point I think Eversince is basically confirmed scum by the way. She's not there, not modkilled, no contribution, nothing at all, and what a coincidence, all while nobody talks about her.

I realize people are after Palmar? Why?

oh and ##vote Skynx

Says ES is confirmed mafia.
Votes skynx.

this guy is scum bro..


Reasons?

He just fits the mafia agenda I noticed on him since the start. He gives me the feeling that he's never about scumhunting. Cases he produced in D1 and last night can only be named 'cases' cuz he's misleading everything that can be read from the quotes. He's like CNN basically, just alternates facts trying so hard to scumread someone. He posts walls of texts so it looks like he knows what he's talking about i guess.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 23 2017 15:07 GMT
#5160
On June 24 2017 00:04 Eversince wrote:
Ok I can't make sense of SL's crumbs/reads.

FF/Chez town is general consensus. That's fine and all, I already read both of them town anyway.
Problem that I'm having here is SL's read on TW was 100% confirmed town.
But SL didn't check FF/Chez. SL visited TW N1, Chez N2.
SL also was very sure Marv's slot is mafia. Never gave this any other chance. Which is why if he got a return of different TW is the town and Chez is the scum. I don't know why he implied FF got included in that at all. Not sure why he would lie about his checks as town. And if TW/Chez came back as same I have a hard time putting TW as town.

I visited Rels N3. He was a total shut in.

Before it gets mentioned, I obviously have no reason to claim right now as mafia. But town needs the info because everyone seems to be having just about as much trouble as I am. I'm obviously not much use right now other than being lynch bait on everyone's mind. So let's kill two birds with one stone.

I'm pretty sure tracker cannot check same guy on consecutive nights otherwise it would be pretty op.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 23 2017 16:37 GMT
#5265
On June 24 2017 01:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2017 10:05 Tumblewood wrote:
what kind of crazy land are you living in where a 3-4 man team misses their night actions

If Tumble flips read I'm pretty sure this is exactly what happened last night :D

haha you mad?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 24 2017 20:27 GMT
#5310
On June 25 2017 03:02 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2017 03:51 Skynx wrote:
On June 21 2017 03:48 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 21 2017 03:11 Skynx wrote:
On June 20 2017 21:23 Rels wrote:
SL / BH
rayn / ruxxar / Skynx
Palmar / Chezitwo / VA
ES / FF / Tumble / Grack
BTDT / disfo

That makes me feel good. This makes sense.


So there are 5 scumreads here, lets see the reasonings behind them.

On June 20 2017 21:20 Rels wrote:
OK I'm done with my free time. Let's get a wagon starting on sicklucker.
##Vote sicklucker

On June 20 2017 20:54 Rels wrote:
sicklucker being this motivated for a D1 lynch is pretty weird. + he didn't react the way I would expect him to HF pushing him. Remained strangely calm and collected for him while still trying to get annul lynched. Usually that's where he becomes super townie, by having sprayed of posts that are strange and genius at the same time. Didn't happened there. Didn't happen everywhere in his filter.
On June 16 2017 07:58 sicklucker wrote:
On June 16 2017 07:58 Holyflare wrote:
just realise that sicklucker just said annul has towny sounding posts just now and has absolutely no real reason to scum read annul but is voting him over xata who he doesn't even realise doesn't scum read rayn


i said very slightly convincing plz...

And HF is killed N1 despite being a likely doc protect.
+ it might be pretty ironic for me to say that against him. But at EOD1 I doubted my vote hardcore because of some annul posts and almsot switched to Xata. SL might be the best player at reading those situations, but he didn't switch, and didn't even show it made him think. Like, I would have expected him to play at least like he described I did:
On June 16 2017 21:15 sicklucker wrote:
On June 16 2017 11:50 darthfoley wrote:
Rels also looks problematic given his enter the thread, procede to not vote then voted as the 5th on annul to tie it 5-5.

Not like I Rels out from a mile away


na rels is alright his logic was good he looked hesitant at the end too

+ after that I become one of his main target despite being one of his main townread for no reason other than "let's lynch in the annul wagon".

I think I wanna lynch SL. What's good too is that if he's town it should become obvious.

Meta read is irrelevant here, sl is just a troll he can do anything in D1 and wouldn't prolly be ai.
Second point is very ironic yeah i dunno whats your point here? If you're scumreading sl for that doesn't that makes you scum aswell???
You became everyone's main target because your filter was bad until today started basically. I can kinda see why he tr you earlier with your early list and everything.

Are you just bussing sl??

On June 20 2017 08:11 Rels wrote:
BH didn't convince me. Spending all this time arguing with BTDT that went nowhere


Pretty much all about BH to make him his equally hardest scumread.

On June 20 2017 21:16 Rels wrote:
On June 17 2017 00:54 Skynx wrote:
Anyway for sure 1 scum between sl/fefe/rux. They all look equally bad dunno where to start.
Grack ninja vote is terrible. Eversince and Rels keep going down in ranks but i havent read their eod properly yet.
Other terrible votes off train are btdt and TW. Maybe Vivax aswell but i think he is town.
My plan is to also ignore HF and Palmar for a bit. They can be any alignment and so far pretty useless, too high level stuff for me.
VA can go suck a dick.
rayn is a mystery

I think tomorrow we can start the lynch with grack or any of first trio that started the train.

Updated townlist: disfo, df, damdred, Koshi, Vivax

Sl/ruxxar/tw/btdt/HF for postgame cred

Don't like the bolded though. An easy list to make the seems good but does nothing.
On June 20 2017 02:10 Skynx wrote:
Starting my annul train series with the first trio of sl/ruxxar/fefe

On June 16 2017 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think if we're letting rucksack live we should kill annul


On June 16 2017 03:11 sicklucker wrote:
##vote annul i agree nice ninja ff you get a cheap townread. I just voted him after reading his filter

Got one boys and im super trendy because no one voted him yet so bonus points


On June 16 2017 03:12 ruXxar wrote:
On June 16 2017 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think if we're letting rucksack live we should kill annul


I'm down.


On June 16 2017 07:23 Rels wrote:
Don't see a town motivation on annul's vote on Xata then begging Xata to vote SL.
EITHER he prefers to lynch SL, then voting SL at that point puts him above him with 1 hour to see what happens
OR he prefers Xata, but why the begging to Xata so he votes SL then
Doesn't make any sense. Scum. Very likely


On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 16 2017 06:58 annul wrote:
not at all. i am 1 switch away from majority. with the tiebreaker being what it is, i have no choice.

i WANT to vote for koshi/ruxxar since they are both mafia and either is a fine kill. but alas.

Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter.

It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game.

I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great.


On June 16 2017 07:45 Eversince wrote:
This is going to make me look like garbage.

I haven't read anything since pg 35ish. Give me the the rough of what's happen between now and then for Xata, Annul, and SL.

I don't have time to fact check so my vote is entirely blind at this point.



Don't know where to begin...

On June 20 2017 02:24 Skynx wrote:
Everyone on the train had terrible reasons for voting annul. Makes it kinda harder to analyze, scum could be all there tbf. No one had an outstanding read on Xata either, mainly this and that. All 6 I'd lynch 1 by 1 except Ruxxar maybe as he's picking up the game.

On June 20 2017 02:30 Skynx wrote:
One thing I noted tho, when it was 6-5 to annul, Eversince came late into thread and claimed he's clueless with that post but he took another 12 mins to think about who to vote.
From a town point, if you're clueless, making the train 6-6 shouldn't really bother you but if you're scum you're literally offering your RB on a silver platter.

On June 20 2017 02:47 Skynx wrote:
I feel like few votes on him and Grack will start spilling all the beans.

And this looks like he started fabricating a vote analyze but didn't know how to do it. There is nothing there. Like the bolded above, he points that every reasonning is bad and he wants to lynch every player. No game solving there.

Not trying to push game forward and all.

I didn't understand anything from rayn interaction, I assume they are disagreeing on reads?
Ruxxar pretty much the same I don't get the sr but apparently you sr him from very early on, why not vote him when he had bunch of people on him??

There is a general lack of structure in these scumreads, he reads the game thats for sure but he just quotes posts and makes up bunch of reasons out of nowhere.
Lets look at the townreads,

I actually found the one about Grack
On June 20 2017 06:58 Rels wrote:
but Grack showing he remembered a random post from Palmar means it's likely he's either scum with marv, or not scum. Cause him remembering this random post means he read Palmar's filter (so he's town) or this post stucked to him 'cause marv is his partner. Most likely


This is just laughable, Grack has arguably the worst filter in the game along with ES and gets the easiest tr based on something so superficial.

On June 20 2017 20:27 Rels wrote:
On June 20 2017 19:49 beentheredonethat wrote:
I'm on page 11. I have to admit that his N1 looks very good, especially asking the vig shot to be directed towards Xata. However, Xata doesn't die, so either vig didn't shoot or mafia has a protection mechanic or the roleblock got lucky? Hm, speculations. I'd say scum has a protective mechanic

looooool
never scum. BTDT is never ever scum. This is him solving the game right there. Speculating that the scumteam might have a prot role 'cause it fits with his belief that disfo is scum. I'm never ever voting him.
Sry BTDT but I'm not convinced at all by your case. Apart from point 1 which is what annoyed me about disfo at the beginning. But the rest is him being disfo. Doesn't make him scum.


More easy tr's, did you even read rest of btdt filter? He's not making 1 bit of sense since start of the game and above post can be very easily fabricated by mafia. I don't even think I'd come up with this one if i was really trying hard to tr btdt.


Concluding point:

On June 20 2017 21:00 Rels wrote:
Actually I just did.

On June 15 2017 00:18 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 15 2017 00:14 Koshi wrote:
On June 15 2017 00:12 Tumblewood wrote:
so far i'm thinking ruxxar and disfo have basically dumbtelled by taking sl's claim at fake value. unless i am actually operating on way less irony than them

Don't think they are dumbtelled town for believing a claim.
They are more likely town if SL is mafia.

or what do you mean?

believing the claim requires not realizing that sl just made that up. and if rux or disfo are mafia then they should figure that out because it doesn't reconcile at all with the information that they have. i think there's a corner case of this where they're mafia with eversince, but i figure they are still probably town. and if sl is mafia... idk, at least disfo is kinda scrubby and might take it as a legit fakeclaim

this is kinda townie

Nothing else stands out of to me as town or scum. The activity is bad ofc though. I want him to play more.


Mind you he makes a similar post about me but I'm still scum and TW is town????

On June 20 2017 21:08 Rels wrote:
On June 16 2017 03:39 Skynx wrote:
Koshi is not screaming and calling this town shit, he might be mafia actually

this is kinda townie. Weird thing to say to a town leader that is obviously not getting lynched


Like wtf? He just finds reasons in his universe that makes someone town or scum but apparently they don't apply to everyone in same value. It is most clearly seen in sl and simple tr on me and tw.
I just can't follow any of his reads, sorry.

##Vote: Rels

Is it just me or is this last line really out of place?
And if Grack has arguably the worst filter in the game how come you aren't on board with killing him?
On June 21 2017 03:36 Skynx wrote:
Disfo might be mafia at this point purely cuz of association.

Him not dying after N2 is just madness. Framing redcheck on him by fellow mafia for pure WIFOM. Now that there is only me and him on original Xata train, he accuses me for being mafia whereas his main reason for voting Xata is sheeping my case and he has absolutely no idea on Xata otherwise.

On June 16 2017 03:41 disformation wrote:
On June 16 2017 03:40 ruXxar wrote:
On June 16 2017 03:38 disformation wrote:
switched to xata.
i feel like voting with skynx and df. rather than with annul and ruxxar.


Excuse me?

you are a pretty big question mark.
skynx and df are big town reads.

skynx had a good post on xata


On June 16 2017 03:42 Koshi wrote:
Disformation voting Xatalos when annul is moving up the lynchlist.

Interesting?


On June 16 2017 03:43 Koshi wrote:
@disformation

Where do you have anything on Xatalos in your filter?



On June 16 2017 03:52 Holyflare wrote:
Did you read xata's filter and conclude something before you voted him disfo? Where are the posts?


This is also a really bad post. There is literally nothing insane about disformation surviving the night.

Grack will die dw, Rels is looking worse to me right now since he's revealed a bit more by being more active through this day. There is a chance Grack is just town who doesn't give two shits about this game but reading through Rels I'm sure I found mafia.
Nice ridicule, you apparently ignored his actions on EOD and why he vote.

Any thoughts on that? Any thoughts on Rels? You practically ignored everything i said...

skynx could you explain that in a bit more detail?
and why did rels get to be town again:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2017 22:19 Skynx wrote:
Guess I'll play:

disfo, Rels, Ruxxar, rayn

chez

VA, fefe null, off chance one mafia here

Palmar 3P

Xata, SL, Grack, btdt + 1

last one prolly ES/TW

I'll freestyle from now on.


Rels was a bit of a rollercoaster for me: I tr him for his earlier list then he takes a big absence and i realise list was shit so sr then he steps it up by giving out bunch of reads and really trying to push the game forward (i think the quote is from that period?) then i sr him again (see the case) then i put him town again after my rage cuz i kinda now think he's town.

"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 24 2017 20:37 GMT
#5312
On June 25 2017 05:35 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2017 04:49 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 25 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote:
Look at the annul train day 1.
Four out theory of 2 scum to be correct, either Fefe or rels is scum.

If I had to lynch one, I would lynch rels.

Has there ever been any foundation for your "theory"? This justification just sounds completely retarded to me. Maybe there are 2 mafia on the wagon maybe there aren't.

I agree with the palmar lynch next if only because we cannot tolerate this kind of play. The few posts he made were ok.


Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 08:02 Half the Sky wrote:
Final Vote Count - Day 1


annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince
Xatalos (6): darthfoley, Kosh, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflare
sicklucker (2): Palmar, Holyflare, Vivax
Koshi (1): Holyflare, disformation, beentheredonethat, Vivax, annul, ruXxar, Vivax
marvellosity (1): Koshi, Tumblewood
Skynx (1): VayneAuthority
ruXxar (0): Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Vivax, annul
Tumblewood (0): ruXxar
Palmar (0): sicklucker
raynpelikoneet (0): Xatalos, sicklucker, Tumblewood
Palmar (0): Koshi, Skynx
beentheredonethat (0): Koshi
Eversince (0): sicklucker

Not voted (4): Damdred, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity

Half the Sky is getting ready to throw annul out of her whiskey bar.
Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).


The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted.



If you want to assume that all on annul are green, we are left with these people:

Skynx, and disfo on mafia.
Palmar on town
tw on ??
vayne

vayne is town

so that leaves tw, skynx, disfo and palmar.

BH, rayn and Marv(you) didn't vote.

If we also assume the people the people voting on xata are town. that leaves tw, palmar, bh, rayn and you.

We assume that you and tw are different alignment and that tw is the scum.

That leaves tw, palmar, rayn and bh to be the exact scum team.

Btdt?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 25 2017 07:23 GMT
#5356
Just lynch Palmar today? Or do we feel damcy talking about others?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 25 2017 11:51 GMT
#5359
On June 25 2017 19:55 Chezitwo wrote:
Just in case this wasn't obvious yet:

TO OUR POTENTIAL PROTECTIVE ROLE:

You do not WIFOM tonight. You save Eversince without a doubt. Do not try to be a hero. Save the investigative role.

If I die that is fine, if VA dies that is good.

This. Shoutout to Vivax.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 25 2017 21:26 GMT
#5363
In case i die, if btdt+Palmar+BH dont work scum HAS to be between Rels/Ruxxar. I will just refuse to believe that annul was clean xcept xata.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 26 2017 09:27 GMT
#5417
On June 26 2017 18:20 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2017 18:09 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 26 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:
On June 26 2017 17:04 Blazinghand wrote:
I think there's a solid chance that someone else on the annul wagon is scum. I think Ruxxar has generally been really engaged all game; he's likely town. ES has claimed, and we don't yet have any reason to doubt it. Fecalfeast is part of the cohort (along with disfo, ruxxar, and chezi) that I spoke with after the dawn of Day 4. Remember, during a period of time, SL had flipped and we were trying to reason things out. Scum, we can now reasonably infer, had shot Chez and noticed it failed, and on top of that, that SL who they did not shoot has flipped. Scum doesn't know what happened, what prots if any went on, who shot whom, etc. This was exciting and interesting news for town, and confusing news for scum, what happened with the D1 flip. After the VA claim, scum had a lot more information to work on and probably came out of the woodwork, and after the ES claim, they were safe to operate and make statements with surety about what checks they were opearing against, and to bus/not bus etc. I think scum had every motivation in the world to NOT be posting right after that flip. It would be very risky. So the people who dove into convo with me, FF, Disfo, and Ruxxar, are highly unlikely to be scum in my view.

this part is really interesting. def. something i wouldnt have thought to look at. only that i am not sure if a chatterbox like ruxxar or me would be stopped by that. but i like it.

@bh: what do you think of skynx outside of vca stuff?


Outside of that stuff, Skynx is a must-lynch. I felt skeevy putting him on the kinda-town. TBH under my PoE in either circumstance we still have 1 spare mislynch, which means if Skynx is scum we could put him in there and still be fine and win. I think we basically have this in the bag.

hmmm...
brings me back to my:
1 of rels/rayn
1 of skynx/btdt
1 of palmar/bh

For the eaier: I think rayn is town. I think at least one of Rux/fefe/Rels is mafia. Forgot fefe in my last post, still no reason to townread him since sl's breadcrumv check we thought on him is invalid.

I agree on me/btdt.

Why do you think Palmar/bh cant be mafia together?
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 26 2017 11:03 GMT
#5434
Yey scum lynching scum, i can get used to this.
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 26 2017 16:39 GMT
#5526
All that trash talk and no vote from btdt, he's not even interested in lynching scum.
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 26 2017 19:08 GMT
#5563
On June 22 2017 18:48 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2017 08:01 Half the Sky wrote:
Final Vote Count - Day 3


Grackaroni (9): ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Chezitwo, beentheredonethat, VayneAuthority, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand, raynpelikoneet, disformation, Palmar, Eversince
sicklucker (3): disformation, Palmar, Grackaroni, Rels, Skynx, Chezitwo, Grackaroni
Palmar (2): disformation, Grackaroni, disformation, Fecalfeast
VayneAuthority (1): Grackaroni
disformation (0): disformation
Rels (0): sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Skynx
Fecalfeast (0): Tumblewood
Skynx (0): Palmar, Skynx
raynpelikoneet (0): Rels
ruXxar (0): Blazinghand
beentheredonethat (0): disformation

Half the Sky is throwing Grackaroni out of her whiskey bar.


Observations:
1 Pretty much uncontested Grack wagon
2 Votes in hammer range on town: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand
3 Irrelevant votes: raynpelikoneet, Palmar (starting with Rayn as hammer because Fecalfeast was originally part of the Grack wagon)
4 "Counter wagon" votes: Rels, Skynx, Chezitwo
5 Wasted votes: disformation, (Fecalfeast)

re: 1)

Having an uncontested wagon where no big discussion is revolving around pretty much means it's a town wagon. However, I think there was actually a lot of discussion in the past day, especially started by Rels. I am town reading Rels right now; he came out of the lurker shadows to actually talk. I also like his fighting with rayn and I'm super worried about rayn not being the town super hero that pushes people around. So Rels up, rayn down, although I gotta admit I haven't looked too deeply into the fight these two have.

My association between Skynx and Grack was obviously wrong. Nevertheless I find it super suspicious that Skynx chimed in, threw around some shade, later on pissed off, let the Grack lynch happen without really putting in work to push the sicklucker lynch. I am sure that there is scum on the Grack wagon and I am fairly certain that not all scummers are on that wagon; and Skynx' vote feels off. We have two mislynches as someone pointed out; so a vig shot (if available) gets more and more risky - but Skynx is a decent target. But I'm super super super afraid here.


Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince (voted super late each time)
Town should be: disformation (mehhhhhhhh, and only if he doesn't die this night lol, and town rage), Chezitwo (mainly based on D2), Rels (based on D3)
Meh: Palmar, Tumblewood, Blazinghand, ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority, sicklucker, rayn

I hope I didn't forget anyone.

re: 2)

These three players were basically the ones who sealed the Grack lynch: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand. All of them will be moved to the scum pool for that:

Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand
Town should be: disformation, Chezitwo, Rels
Meh: Palmar, ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority, rayn

So without further ado, they come into the scum pool.

re: 3)

Same as 2), can just be scum chiming in.

Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand, Palmar, rayn
Town should be: disformation, Chezitwo, Rels
Meh: ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority

re: 4)

Rels pushing sicklucker matches what he did all D2. I don't think that this is scum pushing a second town wagon here. So if Rels would be scum, then sicklucker would most likely also be scum and we have a bus attempt to get town cred, which IMHO is a rather bad and useless bus because there's no way Rels gains towncred from this vote if sicklucker flips scum at any point. Skynx' vote on the other hand isn't as solid als Rels' vote. He not voting Grack (although he did say something about voting Grack, or am I wrong there?) is actually scum indicative here as he pretty much wasted his vote, putting it on unflipped instead of townflip. I'm certain Skynx is scum.

Chezitwo voting sicklucker - mehhhhhhhhhhhhh. Given how super eager he was to lynch Xata over Xata's cop claim, I don't know why he voted sicklucker here and kinda wasted his vote. I need to check the context of that vote as well as the reasoning. NAI imho but I'm not too sure. I don't have too many townreads so I'll keep him on the list "just cause" but I am indeed a bit paranoid.

re: 5) The only thing that comes to my mind is that disfo said early D3 that he'd end up voting Grackaroni anyways. Not sure what to make out of that but it striked me as weird.

[bolded]You know what btdt is town, All of the previous day he associated me with Grack, actually believing Grack is mafia and obv ready to lynch me after Grack flips scum. If he's scum he obv knows Grack's gona flip town so this doesn't make sense from his pow. Ofc this is fakeable but just fits more to tunneled bad town imo. Imagine i switched to grack, he's still gona sr me. He's just tunneled for whatever reason and doesn't want to drop his shitty read on me and look bad so comes up with bunch of shade throwing. I'm gona ignore him for now cuz he's irritating.
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 26 2017 19:41 GMT
#5564
I disagree strongly with BH on
Remember, during a period of time, SL had flipped and we were trying to reason things out. Scum, we can now reasonably infer, had shot Chez and noticed it failed, and on top of that, that SL who they did not shoot has flipped. Scum doesn't know what happened, what prots if any went on, who shot whom, etc. This was exciting and interesting news for town, and confusing news for scum, what happened with the D1 flip. After the VA claim, scum had a lot more information to work on and probably came out of the woodwork, and after the ES claim, they were safe to operate and make statements with surety about what checks they were opearing against, and to bus/not bus etc. I think scum had every motivation in the world to NOT be posting right after that flip. It would be very risky. So the people who dove into convo with me, FF, Disfo, and Ruxxar, are highly unlikely to be scum in my view.


In fact at least 1 scum would prolly pop in and comment on stuff without committing so clearing people this way is not the best idea, especially the first hours of the day where people are discussing mechanics.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 26 2017 21:11 GMT
#5567
Fefe i dont like since D1 but cant really put together a case either. He is around and when he talks he makes sense but not in a game solving way if that makes sense.

I'm gona have to filter dive people at some point. Hope Palmar is mafia and not 3P otherwise im pretty lost since now i tr btdt.

Ruxxar is still very town so fefe/rels as scum on annul makes sense but now 3 votes piled up on rels all of a sudden when previously most ppl whos not rayn was tring him. I like rayn but not yet convinced on rels.

You being alive this late in the game is also not a good sign disfo.
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