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On June 28 2017 02:01 disformation wrote:
yo plammar:
basically:
you did play a bit d1, with that single player style or whatever.
then you drop of the face of the earth until you get a few votes slapped at you.
Didn't feel like playing at that time.
On June 28 2017 02:01 disformation wrote:
then you make a half-assed case on someone that look like you just went with the first remotely thing you can find. based only on d1 stuff..
I have enough for a conviction, I don't need to read more.
On June 28 2017 02:01 disformation wrote:
you didnt mention/notice btdt wasn't there at eod and the other stuff i pointed out earlier this day phase.
you dont respond to me pointing that out.
Actually I did, I said that sure him being away at eod could be a super unlucky problem or a convenient excuse, it only marginally detracts from my case.
On June 28 2017 02:01 disformation wrote:
you dont look at the other parts of btdt's filter.
No, I read enough to know he's mafia
On June 28 2017 02:01 disformation wrote:
you dont push btdt.
Yes I do, to the point where I'm slowly eliminating most other people in order to prove he's the best lynch today.
On June 28 2017 02:01 disformation wrote:
instead you first make a super creepy buddy post onto me and now you start calling me names.
You made a post that was like "I always forget you don't play on weekends", and then the thread moved away from me. I assumed it was you being a leader.
In any case, you are leading this town. TL has a serious lack of people willing to do leadership. In general most townies don't really do much. It's always a good thing. I've never had a problem complementing people doing things I like.
On June 28 2017 02:01 disformation wrote:
there is 0 reason to think you are town.
Yes there is!
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On June 28 2017 02:13 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2017 01:59 Palmar wrote:On June 28 2017 01:54 ruXxar wrote:On June 28 2017 01:53 Palmar wrote:
Can someone please tell me why I am mafia?
Note: if your argument is that I've been less active and less deeply involved than normal, can you provide an explanation as to why that discrepancy means I am mafia? How about you tell us why you are town? 1) I haven't played much, but when I have I have done it with the sole intent of making reads or solving the game. I haven't engaged in any arguments or pointless fights or otherwise created content just to create it. Almost all my posts are reflections on reading a filter or commentary on something that interests me. 2) I tryhard when I'm mafia. I always do it because the QT sort of forces me to. I have my teammates there right in front of me and I get far more of a "team boost" than I do as town. In general, my play is extremely similar to a baseline of "act like a normal human being" when I'm mafia. On the other hand, when I'm town I play a myriad of styles, from lurking afk to spamming to playing characters or even having multiple personalities. 3) While some have called my reads shallow, they're all based on reality. I read something, think something about it and run with it. 4) I care more about being right than surviving. I could easily have jumped the Rels wagon, but I just don't think it's the best lynch. I really, really think btdt is 100% going to flip mafia this game. I don't really think Rels will. I will obviously lynch Rels over myself, but it's not what I want. I am truly disappointed people are buying btdt's act. Rayn saying a guy who has been here over a year is a "new player" is just... meh. 1) Engaging with people is what the game is all about. If you don't do it, we have a hard time discerning people's alignments. Which is exactly the reason why people want to lynch you. Not participating in the game makes it harder for town to win, not easier. 2) Meta read 3) You didn't really seem to run with it day when you said that darth foley was possible mafia. You didn't even expand on what you read that made you think that. Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 16:39 Palmar wrote:
I clicked darthfoley's filter. I don't like it much, and I would expect him to be a relatively easy townread if he was town. I think he is a good candidate for being mafia. Where is the follow up? Where is the reasoning? Where is the push? 4) If you cared about being right, then why didn't you push your scum read on DF?¨
Because I didn't really think he was super lock scum. It was weak at best. I don't think I even voted him did I?
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On June 28 2017 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +2) I tryhard when I'm mafia. I always do it because the QT sort of forces me to. I have my teammates there right in front of me and I get far more of a "team boost" than I do as town. In general, my play is extremely similar to a baseline of "act like a normal human being" when I'm mafia. On the other hand, when I'm town I play a myriad of styles, from lurking afk to spamming to playing characters or even having multiple personalities. Now this is factually false. 100% factually false.
Nope it's not, it's true but as usual you are absolutely fucking terrible at knowing my meta. I don't think anyone on TL has as many delusions and bullshit about what my play is as you do. You're literally the worst on TL in knowing anything about me, because every game you say something that's wrong.
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On June 28 2017 01:41 Rels wrote:
well. OK.
##Unvote
##Vote Palmar
Rels lynching people he doesn't think are mafia.
noted.
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On June 28 2017 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2017 02:33 Palmar wrote:On June 28 2017 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:2) I tryhard when I'm mafia. I always do it because the QT sort of forces me to. I have my teammates there right in front of me and I get far more of a "team boost" than I do as town. In general, my play is extremely similar to a baseline of "act like a normal human being" when I'm mafia. On the other hand, when I'm town I play a myriad of styles, from lurking afk to spamming to playing characters or even having multiple personalities. Now this is factually false. 100% factually false. Nope it's not, it's true but as usual you are absolutely fucking terrible at knowing my meta. I don't think anyone on TL has as many delusions and bullshit about what my play is as you do. You're literally the worst on TL in knowing anything about me, because every game you say something that's wrong. Yes i am lately. Because for some reason you have started doing same kind of stuff you used to only do as mafia (regardless of how much time you had to play) like 3 yrs ago. You can call a couple of pages of one liners and some big posts tryharding if you want to but failing to follow a logical train of thought... i would not really call that tryharding. If you want examples you should probably look at the game where you claimed cop and followed it up with how mafia should play, or when you said you'd sheep someone and then do the opposite at the end of D1 in Outlaw. What i am trying to say is that you can look like you're tryharding but you're really not.
Oh I am not tryharding this game at all. That was one of the decisions I made,I was only gonna do as much work as I felt like.
My point is not that I'm tryharding, my point is that what little I try is useful and good, because I'm town.
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On June 28 2017 02:51 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2017 02:31 Palmar wrote:On June 28 2017 02:13 ruXxar wrote:On June 28 2017 01:59 Palmar wrote:On June 28 2017 01:54 ruXxar wrote:On June 28 2017 01:53 Palmar wrote:
Can someone please tell me why I am mafia?
Note: if your argument is that I've been less active and less deeply involved than normal, can you provide an explanation as to why that discrepancy means I am mafia? How about you tell us why you are town? 1) I haven't played much, but when I have I have done it with the sole intent of making reads or solving the game. I haven't engaged in any arguments or pointless fights or otherwise created content just to create it. Almost all my posts are reflections on reading a filter or commentary on something that interests me. 2) I tryhard when I'm mafia. I always do it because the QT sort of forces me to. I have my teammates there right in front of me and I get far more of a "team boost" than I do as town. In general, my play is extremely similar to a baseline of "act like a normal human being" when I'm mafia. On the other hand, when I'm town I play a myriad of styles, from lurking afk to spamming to playing characters or even having multiple personalities. 3) While some have called my reads shallow, they're all based on reality. I read something, think something about it and run with it. 4) I care more about being right than surviving. I could easily have jumped the Rels wagon, but I just don't think it's the best lynch. I really, really think btdt is 100% going to flip mafia this game. I don't really think Rels will. I will obviously lynch Rels over myself, but it's not what I want. I am truly disappointed people are buying btdt's act. Rayn saying a guy who has been here over a year is a "new player" is just... meh. 1) Engaging with people is what the game is all about. If you don't do it, we have a hard time discerning people's alignments. Which is exactly the reason why people want to lynch you. Not participating in the game makes it harder for town to win, not easier. 2) Meta read 3) You didn't really seem to run with it day when you said that darth foley was possible mafia. You didn't even expand on what you read that made you think that. On June 16 2017 16:39 Palmar wrote:
I clicked darthfoley's filter. I don't like it much, and I would expect him to be a relatively easy townread if he was town. I think he is a good candidate for being mafia. Where is the follow up? Where is the reasoning? Where is the push? 4) If you cared about being right, then why didn't you push your scum read on DF?¨ Because I didn't really think he was super lock scum. It was weak at best. I don't think I even voted him did I? Then why throw out that read? What was the purpose? Because it looks an awful lot like you're trying to either: 1) bait people into pushing DF. 2) discredit DF, who is pushing scum!xata. I don't see any town motivation behind that post, so please explain it to me.
To give people an idea about what I felt about him at the time.
I follow a very, very simple script when I play mafia. I give my reads and I vote for the person I believe is most likely to flip mafia. I sometimes scumread half the game, but it's really only who I try to kill that matters.
Like, I'm currently saying FF may be mafia based on his contributions today, so you guys know how I feel about that, but I'm not trying to kill him, it's not my strongest read. I am sticking with my strongest read.
When I discredit people I do it like I just did with rayn, I attack their premise instead of their alignment. There is no need to call someone scum to discredit him, it's much easier to call them bad. I don't think rayn is mafia, but god do I know he's bad.
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On June 28 2017 02:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
Hm.
Palmar wagon seems trash just based on votes plus the rels switch for no apparent reason is disconcerting
Rels voting with his #1 scumread also noted.
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Like fuck it guys.
Give me one lynch, then you can do whatever stupidity you want.
Kill btdt for me.
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I don't really wanna kill rels, although him voting me is super weird and bad given his earlier adamant stance that I must not be mafia.
I want to kill btdt.
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On June 28 2017 03:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2017 02:52 Palmar wrote:On June 28 2017 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 28 2017 02:33 Palmar wrote:On June 28 2017 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:2) I tryhard when I'm mafia. I always do it because the QT sort of forces me to. I have my teammates there right in front of me and I get far more of a "team boost" than I do as town. In general, my play is extremely similar to a baseline of "act like a normal human being" when I'm mafia. On the other hand, when I'm town I play a myriad of styles, from lurking afk to spamming to playing characters or even having multiple personalities. Now this is factually false. 100% factually false. Nope it's not, it's true but as usual you are absolutely fucking terrible at knowing my meta. I don't think anyone on TL has as many delusions and bullshit about what my play is as you do. You're literally the worst on TL in knowing anything about me, because every game you say something that's wrong. Yes i am lately. Because for some reason you have started doing same kind of stuff you used to only do as mafia (regardless of how much time you had to play) like 3 yrs ago. You can call a couple of pages of one liners and some big posts tryharding if you want to but failing to follow a logical train of thought... i would not really call that tryharding. If you want examples you should probably look at the game where you claimed cop and followed it up with how mafia should play, or when you said you'd sheep someone and then do the opposite at the end of D1 in Outlaw. What i am trying to say is that you can look like you're tryharding but you're really not. Oh I am not tryharding this game at all. That was one of the decisions I made,I was only gonna do as much work as I felt like. My point is not that I'm tryharding, my point is that what little I try is useful and good, because I'm town. I know you are not tryharding. I also don't see how what you are doing is useful and good sadly. Look i wanted to talk to you about Rels. I have wanted to since last thursday when you showed some life while knowing weekend is coming. Finally yesterday you actually engaged me in conversation about it but that dropped as soon as i actually asked your opinion on the things on him. I asked you about FF, and i don't think that is much: Show nested quote +I follow a very, very simple script when I play mafia. I give my reads and I vote for the person I believe is most likely to flip mafia. I sometimes scumread half the game, but it's really only who I try to kill that matters.
Like, I'm currently saying FF may be mafia based on his contributions today, so you guys know how I feel about that, but I'm not trying to kill him, it's not my strongest read. I am sticking with my strongest read. The reason i usually end up scumreading you is because i try to engage into a conversation with you about who i think is mafia and who you think is mafia but as soon as i try, you drop off the face of earth. If i am completely honest you're doing it again. I don't think btdt is mafia. I don't know if you think or do not think Rels is mafia. I have absolutely no idea where you actually stand in this game except that you think btdt is mafia. And it is worrying me because i am trying to find a mafia lynch where people can actually fucking agree on. I don't necessarily need you for doing that, but generally trust in your insight so i would rather have you help. And you not doing that is worrying me. And now i gotta fucking leave to work in 15 minutes. 
Yeah but I also don't really wanna do these conversations. It's you, marv, jat, hf etc who do these long stupid ranting conversations.
I have sometimes obliged, but I don't like doing it, I think it's pointless. I read posts, come to a conclusion and make my case. Only if I think you're bringing up an extremely valid point about someone do I care, and to be honest, I almost never understand any of your points.
I know you don't think btdt is mafia, you said as much.
I still want to lynch him, and yes I'll pop in by the deadline to vote Rels if I can't turn the votes. There's a chance he's mafia, there's no chance I am.
I'm also not worrying that people should all agree. In general people are very much often wrong in mafia. The point isn't for everyone to agree, those are usually the worst lynches, see grackaroni this game. I have no idea why I caved and voted him without reading him. I should have been a jerk about it, but I was busy and lazy. The best lynches come out of conflict, because conflict weeds the shit cases out and forces people to take stances. I just wish half of town's stance wasn't "well uh let's lynch palmar now because reasons".
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On June 28 2017 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not going to lynch my townread when the other wagons are my top scumread and someone i have no idea of. So there is that.
This is my scumread
8:::::::::::::D
And this is your townread
8::::D
Size matters.
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On June 28 2017 03:02 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2017 02:55 Palmar wrote:On June 28 2017 02:51 ruXxar wrote:On June 28 2017 02:31 Palmar wrote:On June 28 2017 02:13 ruXxar wrote:On June 28 2017 01:59 Palmar wrote:On June 28 2017 01:54 ruXxar wrote:On June 28 2017 01:53 Palmar wrote:
Can someone please tell me why I am mafia?
Note: if your argument is that I've been less active and less deeply involved than normal, can you provide an explanation as to why that discrepancy means I am mafia? How about you tell us why you are town? 1) I haven't played much, but when I have I have done it with the sole intent of making reads or solving the game. I haven't engaged in any arguments or pointless fights or otherwise created content just to create it. Almost all my posts are reflections on reading a filter or commentary on something that interests me. 2) I tryhard when I'm mafia. I always do it because the QT sort of forces me to. I have my teammates there right in front of me and I get far more of a "team boost" than I do as town. In general, my play is extremely similar to a baseline of "act like a normal human being" when I'm mafia. On the other hand, when I'm town I play a myriad of styles, from lurking afk to spamming to playing characters or even having multiple personalities. 3) While some have called my reads shallow, they're all based on reality. I read something, think something about it and run with it. 4) I care more about being right than surviving. I could easily have jumped the Rels wagon, but I just don't think it's the best lynch. I really, really think btdt is 100% going to flip mafia this game. I don't really think Rels will. I will obviously lynch Rels over myself, but it's not what I want. I am truly disappointed people are buying btdt's act. Rayn saying a guy who has been here over a year is a "new player" is just... meh. 1) Engaging with people is what the game is all about. If you don't do it, we have a hard time discerning people's alignments. Which is exactly the reason why people want to lynch you. Not participating in the game makes it harder for town to win, not easier. 2) Meta read 3) You didn't really seem to run with it day when you said that darth foley was possible mafia. You didn't even expand on what you read that made you think that. On June 16 2017 16:39 Palmar wrote:
I clicked darthfoley's filter. I don't like it much, and I would expect him to be a relatively easy townread if he was town. I think he is a good candidate for being mafia. Where is the follow up? Where is the reasoning? Where is the push? 4) If you cared about being right, then why didn't you push your scum read on DF?¨ Because I didn't really think he was super lock scum. It was weak at best. I don't think I even voted him did I? Then why throw out that read? What was the purpose? Because it looks an awful lot like you're trying to either: 1) bait people into pushing DF. 2) discredit DF, who is pushing scum!xata. I don't see any town motivation behind that post, so please explain it to me. To give people an idea about what I felt about him at the time. I follow a very, very simple script when I play mafia. I give my reads and I vote for the person I believe is most likely to flip mafia. I sometimes scumread half the game, but it's really only who I try to kill that matters. Like, I'm currently saying FF may be mafia based on his contributions today, so you guys know how I feel about that, but I'm not trying to kill him, it's not my strongest read. I am sticking with my strongest read. When I discredit people I do it like I just did with rayn, I attack their premise instead of their alignment. There is no need to call someone scum to discredit him, it's much easier to call them bad. I don't think rayn is mafia, but god do I know he's bad. There's nothing in here that makes me feel better about you, sorry.
well you bad then.
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well I gotta go.
Strength of reads from town to scum: (but take with a grain of salt if I flip, I am after all only slightly involved).
VA/ES/disfo
Skynx/rayn
ruxxar/Rels
Blazinghand
fecalfeast
btdt
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will be back only to change votes
probably
maybe
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On June 28 2017 06:27 Eversince wrote:It's a boring lynch. That worries me. If Palmar is town here meh. I could apply the same general thought process to a few other players this game. I ran along the same path on Grack but he had wifom city lego blocks in my head too. So I was a bit more confident on him. Still was wrong. I still want to lynch him though because at this point in the game he's proven that he's not going to play much one way or another. Which isn't constructive for town, only hurts it. And if constructing stances with "I looked at this filter and think he's town/null/scum" with no follow up, explanation, or desire to actually do anything with those reads (the one exception being a D1 case on D5) is considered 'good town play', then I'm worse at this than I thought. More so when everyone around at the time was saying 'convince us of your lynch'. And he just putters out with a "I'll vote Rels to survive". Counting on being meta read is a terrible way to play. I know both alignments play the lurk/uninterested/afk type of thing all the time though. Makes me nervous
wrong
I might play as much as I feel like at some point!
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On June 28 2017 03:21 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2017 03:15 Palmar wrote:
well I gotta go.
Strength of reads from town to scum: (but take with a grain of salt if I flip, I am after all only slightly involved).
VA/ES/disfo
Skynx/rayn
ruxxar/Rels
Blazinghand
fecalfeast
btdt I'm very interested in hearing about your #2 fefe scum read. Got a case?
poe and his effort/interest today.
Basically, I have a better reason to believe everyone else is town.
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On June 28 2017 03:40 beentheredonethat wrote:If you wouldn't want to lynch me, who would it be
right now? ff
But honestly, I would have to go read ff's filter if that was the case
But I haven't, so don't count too much on it.
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On June 28 2017 04:14 Fecalfeast wrote:
Oh hey yeah let's all lynch me boys totally not lynchbait
this is the worst overreaction to people even mentioning lynching him. He's literally the opposite of a lynchbait this game.
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On June 28 2017 04:19 beentheredonethat wrote:
You're townread by the majority of people I think and you've never been considered to be the lynch
I'm not sure why you jump onto yourself being lynchbait
I think you aren't
as in, I agree with this.
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