[N] TL Mafia LXXV - Page 7

On June 21 2017 06:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am quite not sure why people want to lynch other people for being more townie than usual.

On June 21 2017 07:00 sicklucker wrote:


no I made a big post on this you should read it. he had votes but he was the 4th or a weak 3rd wagon when I started my push. koshi was #1 in votes when I started my push.

So if im mafia why do I start pushing a town over another town?

On June 21 2017 07:05 Rels wrote:

that would be good if I wasn't the main force moving the game along today. And I'm not scum. So that is not the case.

On June 21 2017 07:06 sicklucker wrote:
Mafia are clearly as fucked as I thought and are working together to see if im lyncable right now. dont fall for it

On June 21 2017 19:48 beentheredonethat wrote:

I am not sure if there's a more self-righteous person in the game. Or have ever been.

On June 21 2017 19:29 beentheredonethat wrote:

Like, I can see Grack being scum. Granted. But the way Ruxxar is pushing Grack is weirding me out, this "auto on Grack guys and you all get a townread" thing is just... yeah dunno, it's weirding me out.

On June 21 2017 20:31 beentheredonethat wrote:

He did push Annul. It's true, I can bring up 5-10 posts where he's pushing Annul and/or talking people into lynching Annul.

Having also read the summary of why you're scumreading him, I think it's mainly meta reasons. I can see your points in saying "it's NAI if you push a town lynch super hard or scum read someone who flips immediately", so yeah you're right.

I think he shouldn't be the lynch today. Flipping Grack/Skynx gives us a lot of information, we can associate a lot and we'll be able to read more into other people's reads, which is like the exact ground where sicklucker can do the weird good posting that you expect him to do.

On June 21 2017 21:27 Rels wrote:

good. Now if that could make SL climbing your vote ladder that would be even better

On June 21 2017 19:38 Blazinghand wrote:


Yeah I actually think this is a valid point. Like, here's how you should look at it.

On the really basic level, the first level, Scum aren't coming from the same mindset of hunting scum that Town come from. Which means it's hard for Scum to have good reads and feel confident pushing them. This means that Town might formulate a read and make a case, but Scum would worry about appearing scummy or something, and therefore try to leave open a line of retreat. See, if you're town, and you think someone is scum, even if it's unpopular to think that, you won't give it up. You have a belief; you have evidence; you're gonna go for it. Scum, though, they're not trying to lynch this guy they think is scum. Instead, theyr'e trying to not get lynched. so maybe theyw ant to build their cases and reads with a line of retreat so they can change their minds if it's unpopular.

So on a naive level you would expect Town to be decisive and Scum to be waffly.

But if you go down into the second level, it turns out taht sometimes as Town you're confused. And to a certain extent, town doesn't actually CARE about looking town. I mean, obvs you don't wanna get lynched but you're also highly concerned with finding scum. Whereas scum, their ONLY concern is about looking town. And if "looking town" means decisively posting aggressive cases, Scum will try to ape this as best they can. Town will only do this when it makes sense for them.

So, we might see someone posting waffle-like uncertain reads. This could mean "ah hah, this is scum planning to pull out of these reads if they aren't popular" and that's possible. But because this really stands out, and is obviously scummy, it's like... the kind of thing that scum tries (but not always succeeds) to avoid doing. And town to a certain extent doesn't actually give a shit. Town wants to lynch properly.

so "I did half-assed work and got a half-assed townread" is, you know, it's not something i'm gonna go giving people tons of townreads on that, but there's not a HUGE motivation for scum to do that because 1) a half-assed townread won't get anyone lynched and 2) it kinda stands out as "bad" in a sense. And I'm not saying "too bad to be scum" but you can see how a town has in some ways more chances of saying this than a scum, capisce

On June 21 2017 19:39 Blazinghand wrote:
ugh putting out useless guru wisdom that doesn't actually contribute is too much effort i'm going to bed

On June 21 2017 19:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can people at least look at what i have said about Rels and comment on it?

1) His explanation on the Eversince comment doesn't match up with the earlier explanation on the Eversince comment. In fact i don't even believe it matches the original comment.
2) His vote on annul is based on very bad reasoning and the way he went on with it on D1 in very surface level thinking which is not really typical for him.
3) All of his scumreads are based on very surface level reasoning and there is basically no thought behind them (see for example the read on me, earlier read on Chezitwo, read on Grack, read on sicklucker, N1 or so read on Skynx and the read on Ruxxar).
4) The way he has pushed his scumreads is... well he hasn't, it's non-existent.

The complete lack of ANY people to even COMMENT on the case makes me think even more i am right here.

On June 21 2017 20:05 Rels wrote:
BTDT join us in that "lets see if SL is really unlynchable" quest. Good reward at the end I promise

On June 21 2017 20:08 Rels wrote:
rayn is also certainly scum. Nitpicking details to hell and not trying to comprehend stuff. + saying I'm doing nothing with my scumreads when it could be argueed that I'm the most influential dude today, creating the counter wagon to Grack.

On June 21 2017 20:23 Rels wrote:

the first part is not true. First, SL is actually one of the few players I know who is NOT afraid to protect his partner at all cost if he can. He has a certain logic that he follows. Second, consider that there was also the possiblity of HIM being lynched instead of Xata or annul. So it makes sense that he needed to be active.
About HF, this means nothing. Scumreading someone super hard then killing him proves nothing. Especially since HF is a super strong player for any scum team; and that he was scumreading SL pretty hard.
Finally, this is not true: "He's also saying very often "i'm sicklucker i'm super good" while making jaw-droppingly weird reads." On the contrary, I'm waiting for the weird smart post and they're not coming.

On June 21 2017 20:54 ruXxar wrote:
I'm really happy that there are two wagons now, one on grack and one on sicklucker.
When grack flips scum it's going to be real easy to find the rest of the mafia.

On June 21 2017 21:50 ruXxar wrote:


I would take Vayne and rayn of that list.

On June 21 2017 21:37 disformation wrote:
dunno. would expect town rayn to be more fiery in trying to force ppl to vote for his scum read.
but cant tell if it is lack of time or lack of town.
town rayn can tunnel/scumread ppl for meh reasons sometimes though. mostly related to suboptimal town play, or the lack of what town should do etc

still feeling fairly null about him

On June 22 2017 00:35 disformation wrote:
guess that also means ill be there at eod after all.
rip sleep

On June 22 2017 01:45 ruXxar wrote:


I don't see why you all are so eager to vote together with grack when he was such a strong scum read just a short while ago.

You think grack is bussing here?

On June 22 2017 02:03 ruXxar wrote:


And I don't see how this tip makes any sense.
If I think grack is scum, I'm going to be inclined to not vote with him.

How is that a bad idea?

On June 22 2017 01:48 VayneAuthority wrote:
i wont even be mad if we lynch town, this looks like its shaping up to me another tasty town vs scum lynch

On June 22 2017 02:07 VayneAuthority wrote:
the bad news is that if SL does get ahead he will fakeclaim blue role regardless if he is green blue or red. and then deadline will be a shit show.

hopefully people ignore that when it happens

On June 22 2017 01:58 ruXxar wrote:


And SL suddenly beat out grack because?...

On June 22 2017 02:22 ruXxar wrote:


Yes. If he was mafia with SL I think they would try to deflect onto a non mafia.

A prime example would be Rels.

On June 22 2017 02:29 ruXxar wrote:


If you look in the vote thread, you would see that SL and Rels both had 3 votes when grack voted, yet he chose to vote SL over Rels.

What does that tell you?

On June 22 2017 02:33 ruXxar wrote:


And that's with SL even being the first vote on Rels.
Simple logic should tell you that they are not the same faction.

If you don't think so that would be quite stupid if you.