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beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 21:48 GMT
#2393
cop claim
no cc

##vote disformation

Or, vote ruxxar, the guy who believes the cop claim, then goes on to lynch someone else over the red-check.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 21:56 GMT
#2396
There won't be a cc hopefully. There'll simply be a red check on disformation and a scum guy lynched.

And if not, we lynch Xata. If the cop cc's, he's probably dead. Cop shouldn't cc here. But I always prefer lynching the check over the claim.

"If disfo is scum we can always lynch him later."
No? This is so wrong.

"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 21:58 GMT
#2397
i have no idea why palmar is voting me. He has 2 pages of filter and has obviously not read the game.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:04 GMT
#2400
On June 18 2017 07:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
the correct play here is to lynch xatalos especially after that cop claim

I just come from a game where a cop claim happened and people lynched into the cop (who was VT but that's kinda missing the point)

how is the correct play in claim situation to lynch the unclaimed guy
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:04 GMT
#2401
claimed*
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:05 GMT
#2402
On June 18 2017 07:02 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 06:56 beentheredonethat wrote:
There won't be a cc hopefully. There'll simply be a red check on disformation and a scum guy lynched.

And if not, we lynch Xata. If the cop cc's, he's probably dead. Cop shouldn't cc here. But I always prefer lynching the check over the claim.

"If disfo is scum we can always lynch him later."
No? This is so wrong.



It's not wrong.
if disfo is lock scum, we can just leave him for last while we take out the others.

You're leaving scum alive who potentially is a scum power role AND who can vote AND who can derail the thread?

cool bra
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:05 GMT
#2405
On June 16 2017 20:26 Palmar wrote:
I'm just playing single player mafia mostly. Occasionally clicking filters, ignoring the thread, throwing out some opinions.

Life is good.

I'll try to maybe make my statement posts a bit more detailed when I cba.

3p


(this was my best Holyflare impression)
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:08 GMT
#2407
On June 18 2017 07:05 Chezitwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
the correct play here is to lynch xatalos especially after that cop claim

I just come from a game where a cop claim happened and people lynched into the cop (who was VT but that's kinda missing the point)

how is the correct play in claim situation to lynch the unclaimed guy

The correct play is to evaluate who the scummier one is instead of blindly lynching the check.

1. Mafia is a guessing game.
2. Mislynches happen super often
3. The moment a claim happens, it's the last way for the lynchee to avert his lynch

So
a) lynch cop
b) lynch check, most likely lose a vt, real cop survives


not sure how "lynch cop" is the better option here
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:08 GMT
#2409
this is 1:1 the discussion I had in NSM, where Vivax claimed cop and everyone lynched vivax who in the end flipped town, surprise surprise (VT, but that doesn't really matter here)
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:16 GMT
#2413
On June 18 2017 07:09 Chezitwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:05 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
the correct play here is to lynch xatalos especially after that cop claim

I just come from a game where a cop claim happened and people lynched into the cop (who was VT but that's kinda missing the point)

how is the correct play in claim situation to lynch the unclaimed guy

The correct play is to evaluate who the scummier one is instead of blindly lynching the check.

1. Mafia is a guessing game.
2. Mislynches happen super often
3. The moment a claim happens, it's the last way for the lynchee to avert his lynch

So
a) lynch cop
b) lynch check, most likely lose a vt, real cop survives


not sure how "lynch cop" is the better option here

Where is the difference between losing a VT and an outed cop?

An outed cop can be protected at night, is a confirmed town and an enforced mafia target.

A vt is a vt.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:17 GMT
#2414
On June 18 2017 07:11 Chezitwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
this is 1:1 the discussion I had in NSM, where Vivax claimed cop and everyone lynched vivax who in the end flipped town, surprise surprise (VT, but that doesn't really matter here)

This anecdotal evidence is not very convincing.

One day I'll understand why "lynch the cop" is better than "lynch the red-check"

one day
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:19 GMT
#2418
here's how it's going to go: people will lynch xata in spite of me saying "hey, guys, un-cc'ed blue". Then, he will flip blue, and people will scumread me for defending xata, potentially tmi'ing here. disformation will be lynched next day and will flip red.

cool shit

but dead cop d'oh
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:20 GMT
#2420
On June 18 2017 07:19 Chezitwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:11 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
this is 1:1 the discussion I had in NSM, where Vivax claimed cop and everyone lynched vivax who in the end flipped town, surprise surprise (VT, but that doesn't really matter here)

This anecdotal evidence is not very convincing.

One day I'll understand why "lynch the cop" is better than "lynch the red-check"

one day

It isn't. But you need to consider the circumstances and this claim is incredibly fishy.

Why would mafia claim when there are like 5 votes on him? now it's more due to the claim and apparently everybody's fine with it.

if everybody's fine with something, it's probably scum.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:20 GMT
#2421
On June 18 2017 07:19 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:18 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:16 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:09 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:05 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
the correct play here is to lynch xatalos especially after that cop claim

I just come from a game where a cop claim happened and people lynched into the cop (who was VT but that's kinda missing the point)

how is the correct play in claim situation to lynch the unclaimed guy

The correct play is to evaluate who the scummier one is instead of blindly lynching the check.

1. Mafia is a guessing game.
2. Mislynches happen super often
3. The moment a claim happens, it's the last way for the lynchee to avert his lynch

So
a) lynch cop
b) lynch check, most likely lose a vt, real cop survives


not sure how "lynch cop" is the better option here

Where is the difference between losing a VT and an outed cop?

An outed cop can be protected at night, is a confirmed town and an enforced mafia target.

A vt is a vt.

Think about it with a little more effort. If we lynch Xatalos and he is mafia then disfo is also basically confirmed town, can be protected and is an enforced mafia target.
As long as scum has a roleblocker (which is very likely) there is 0 difference.


Scum has a role blocker? Slip?

You're throwing so many dumbtells it's hard to believe they are genuine
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:24 GMT
#2428
On June 18 2017 07:22 Chezitwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:20 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:19 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:11 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
this is 1:1 the discussion I had in NSM, where Vivax claimed cop and everyone lynched vivax who in the end flipped town, surprise surprise (VT, but that doesn't really matter here)

This anecdotal evidence is not very convincing.

One day I'll understand why "lynch the cop" is better than "lynch the red-check"

one day

It isn't. But you need to consider the circumstances and this claim is incredibly fishy.

Why would mafia claim when there are like 5 votes on him? now it's more due to the claim and apparently everybody's fine with it.

if everybody's fine with something, it's probably scum.

Seriously?
Maybe because if we do what you say we lynch a townie, mafia survives a day and in the best case the real cop gets outed on top of it. Seems like a very good trade off compared to just going down without all of that.
In cases like this there is often an uncontested wagon on mafia.

Why do I have to explain basics like this...

Wait.

"If we do what you say we lynch a townie." - TMI.
"Mafia survives a day."

And how is it the best case if the real cop gets outed for town?

This sentence only makes sense from mafia perspective.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:25 GMT
#2429
##vote Chezitwo

yep.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:25 GMT
#2430
Now that's a slip

I just nailed mafia bitches
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:28 GMT
#2432
On June 18 2017 07:26 Chezitwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:24 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:22 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:20 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:19 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:11 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
this is 1:1 the discussion I had in NSM, where Vivax claimed cop and everyone lynched vivax who in the end flipped town, surprise surprise (VT, but that doesn't really matter here)

This anecdotal evidence is not very convincing.

One day I'll understand why "lynch the cop" is better than "lynch the red-check"

one day

It isn't. But you need to consider the circumstances and this claim is incredibly fishy.

Why would mafia claim when there are like 5 votes on him? now it's more due to the claim and apparently everybody's fine with it.

if everybody's fine with something, it's probably scum.

Seriously?
Maybe because if we do what you say we lynch a townie, mafia survives a day and in the best case the real cop gets outed on top of it. Seems like a very good trade off compared to just going down without all of that.
In cases like this there is often an uncontested wagon on mafia.

Why do I have to explain basics like this...

Wait.

"If we do what you say we lynch a townie." - TMI.
"Mafia survives a day."

And how is it the best case if the real cop gets outed for town?

This sentence only makes sense from mafia perspective.

Jesus christ...

You ask "why would mafia claim" and I show you why mafia would claim. And then you act all confused. Why am I even bothering with this?

That's a lie. You're not answering my "Why would mafia claim when there are like 5 votes on him?" question. You are clearly saying "if we do what you say".
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:32 GMT
#2439
On June 18 2017 07:30 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:25 beentheredonethat wrote:
##vote Chezitwo

yep.


So now you're voting outside of the cop/red check that you just told us to lynch

Yeah but I found scum :>
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:34 GMT
#2442
On June 18 2017 07:30 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:05 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
the correct play here is to lynch xatalos especially after that cop claim

I just come from a game where a cop claim happened and people lynched into the cop (who was VT but that's kinda missing the point)

how is the correct play in claim situation to lynch the unclaimed guy

The correct play is to evaluate who the scummier one is instead of blindly lynching the check.

there is a thing called claim analysis.
where you look at the situation leading up to the claim. the type of the claim. if the claim is believable. is the claiming person scummy. would he gain something as scum from claiming etc etc.

so look at his filter. look what he did today. look at what the situation d1 was.
use your head.
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
the correct play here is to lynch xatalos especially after that cop claim

I just come from a game where a cop claim happened and people lynched into the cop (who was VT but that's kinda missing the point)

how is the correct play in claim situation to lynch the unclaimed guy

that game is still ongoing stop talking about it.
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
this is 1:1 the discussion I had in NSM, where Vivax claimed cop and everyone lynched vivax who in the end flipped town, surprise surprise (VT, but that doesn't really matter here)

game still ongoing...
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:11 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
this is 1:1 the discussion I had in NSM, where Vivax claimed cop and everyone lynched vivax who in the end flipped town, surprise surprise (VT, but that doesn't really matter here)

This anecdotal evidence is not very convincing.

One day I'll understand why "lynch the cop" is better than "lynch the red-check"

one day

it depends on the situation?
there is no surefire always do x.
you look at the stituation.
you look at the claiming person.
you decide if you believe the claim or not.

scum can make up anything they want.
do you blindly want to believe or look at the evidence and decide what is true?

so you're red-checked and discrediting what I say. Not sure what else I should expect here.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
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