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I haven't finished ES's filter, but there's a few things here.
1) I read it right after VA's, because I kinda liked VA's "scummiest thing is to break character" line. But now I don't understand it. I have no idea what character ES was breaking.
2) ES made a big case on Xatalos. It probably wasn't needed I think? So there's a chance it was created just to appear to do something.
3) In that case I see Xatalos tried to fakeclaim a check on disformation. The only reason I'm suspicious of this being distancing rather than just a desperate clinging to straws, is that if I was on the mafia team, I'd immediately shoot a town disformation the next night, just to get rid of his activity and the fact a flipped mafia "spewed" him town. However, it is important to note I would _never_ suppose we try to lynch disfo at this point. If he is mafia, we simply look for the other two mafia. His sheer activity is too much to justify basically ever lynching him. And he is, even if you can question it, spewed town by Xatalos.
4) ES doesn't really sound like mafia. I don't read his posts and come across thinking he's overly careful or reserved.
In conclusion, unless I run out of people to lynch, I am removing ES, VA and Disfo from the lynch list today. (There's no way I'm reading Disfo's filter).
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If someone can explain 1), that'd be appreciated.
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On June 26 2017 18:55 disformation wrote:
like VA was breaking HIS CHARACTER
This is what I realize now 
I read it wrong.
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On June 26 2017 18:56 disformation wrote:
also ES is uncc tracker that made us lynch TW (you know who flipped scum rolecop) by explaining to us who SL actually checked. cause she was tracking him and stuff.
yes, there's far more to suggest ES, you and VA are all town, which is why I'm removing you all from potential lynches today.
Just making sure I do due diligence.
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I started reading rayn backwards (that is, from newest post and back), kinda expecting him to be mafia.
Turns out I don't really think he is, I don't particularly think he's town either, he's not in the same class of "not lynching today" as the other three, but he talks more like a townie than mafia.
And at one point in his filter Ruxxar bitches about rayn nitpicking something Rels said (I haven't found the actual nitpicking yet). But that kinda does sound towny from Ruxxar.
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I'm gonna give rayn's filter a pause (I've maybe read bottom 20-30% of it) and read btdt.
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Holy shit does beentheredonethat's filter look bad when considering Xatalos.
On June 14 2017 20:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
Xata you're not saying anything in your posts, you're just commenting on things and speculating about 3rd party
that's superbad
On June 14 2017 21:15 beentheredonethat wrote:
Xata disappeared?
Two random comments with no meat on them and no real attempt to lynch the guy he's calling superbad and disappearing. Instead, when df offers a wagon on Xatalos, it's instead met with (weak) resistance:
On June 14 2017 22:41 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2017 22:40 darthfoley wrote:On June 14 2017 22:14 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 14 2017 21:28 Koshi wrote:
Let me do this:
##vote btdt
- Focused on a very small part of this thread.
- Reads seem more opportunistic than real.
- Very strong and closed in his language/thoughts. Not carefree and open.
I can explain it with many words but I am going to keep it at this for the time being.
so I a) comment intensely on koshi/hf/you b) scumread you, not following the 3p thing (alhtough a vote is a vote of course) c) call out annul d) poke xata * and I'm opportunistic? Opportinistic would be to vote rayn * a small part of this thread? the major part of this thread. how am I not carefree? I think I'm super carefree lol Let's vote Xata together, right now. You and I. Forever. While I favour the general idea, can you please state your reasons?
Read the entire quote that follows. On what level are btdt's contributions helpful or insightful at all.
On June 14 2017 22:51 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2017 22:47 annul wrote:On June 14 2017 22:46 Holyflare wrote:On June 14 2017 22:45 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 14 2017 22:42 darthfoley wrote:On June 14 2017 22:28 ruXxar wrote:On June 14 2017 18:21 sicklucker wrote:
alright boys im hard claiming cop with a red check on eversince. This makes it real simple. Lynch eversince. If green, lynch sicklucker. Guaranteed 1 scum down. How is this an intelligent plan at all? #3 to say that (I think, maybe more) darth comes on the town pile. If he's the third person to say it why is he town?? TIL you can only have one person make a claim and one other person agree with the claim before any other people become suspect So passive aggressive but for real, my impression is that darth is catching up and quoting and posting where he deems it appropriate. super gut feeling but I think it's town. not only does he think the same about ruxxar as I do, he also doesn't like Xata apparently and I don't like Xata, too
And through it all, btdt sits on Koshi, despite thinking koshi looks better and Xata worse:
On June 15 2017 17:49 beentheredonethat wrote:
Good morning. It's a bank holiday today in Germany and I am spending it with my GF on a wandering tour. I'll probably be in front of a computer in the evening if at all.
I skimmed everything besides the last two pages. Koshi looks better, Xata worse. Ruxxar weird. My mind screamed TOWN when I read rayns big post but I didn't like that he disappeared right after. Hf still town.
Disfo not town anymore because rayn made me paranoid.
Thats kind of where im at.
btdt ended the day as a single random vote on Koshi instead of trying to kill his scumread. Then he bitched about it in the night:
On June 16 2017 14:59 beentheredonethat wrote:
bad thing: Koshi lynch averted
bad thing #2: annul being lynched over xata
good thing: xata being 2nd wagon
I think a scum!xata will give us lots of indication and I highly suggest xata to be shot at night.
Maybe should have done something about that?
I think there is about 100% chance btdt is mafia
##Vote beentheredonethat
I'm not done with his filter, but this day 1 looks very much terrible. I was getting paranoid that I was being to lenient because like the first 4 people I read actually look like townies, but this guy doesn't look like a townie at all on first glance.
Please give me reasons why I should townread him if anyone has any. To me this is almost a good enough case on it's own.
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He never voted Xata on day 1.
I'm gonna wait for someone who knows more about the game to tell me why I can be wrong. But honestly, this is like a 100% mafia case under any normal circumstances. I'm just slightly unsure because of my complete lack of reading.
btw, to summarize my game-state (I'm taking a break), it's currently at this:
Good reasons to think town
Disfo
VA
ES
Some reasons to think town
rayn
ruxxar
Good reasons to think mafia
btdt
Unread/No opinion
Rels
Skynx (lingering townlean from earlier reading)
Blazinghand
FecalFeast
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because I'm a lot less mafia than he is. Like I'm only mafia a very little bit. Mostly I'm town. My spirit animal is grass. Because it's green.
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On June 26 2017 22:35 beentheredonethat wrote:
Palmar's whole argument is based on a falsely created context. Go back, do not read this post standalone, instead read it in thread context, and you'll see it.
My reality is better than yours, now die.
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On June 26 2017 22:20 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 19:03 Palmar wrote:
I'm gonna give rayn's filter a pause (I've maybe read bottom 20-30% of it) and read btdt. "I'll stop trying to create a fake case on rayn and instead fake case btdt because that might be easier"
well yes, that is exactly what I did....
You always fake your cases. They're not there to prove to yourself that someone is mafia. But if I can't find anything to write it's probably not a good idea.
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On June 26 2017 22:21 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 19:19 Palmar wrote:
He never voted Xata on day 1.
I'm gonna wait for someone who knows more about the game to tell me why I can be wrong. But honestly, this is like a 100% mafia case under any normal circumstances. I'm just slightly unsure because of my complete lack of reading.
btw, to summarize my game-state (I'm taking a break), it's currently at this:
Good reasons to think town
Disfo
VA
ES
Some reasons to think town
rayn
ruxxar
Good reasons to think mafia
btdt
Unread/No opinion
Rels
Skynx (lingering townlean from earlier reading)
Blazinghand
FecalFeast
Prime example for "uhhhh guys this guy is scum but I don't wanna commit because if he flips town, well, guys, don't lynch me for that"
I'm more than fine with people lynching me if I'm wrong. I'm fairly certain I'm right.
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On June 26 2017 22:21 beentheredonethat wrote:by the way, I'm totes fine with a lynch if you promise to lynch Skynx and Palmar after me
deal.
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Make a case on me btdt, it'll be fun.
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His instant omgus in combination of the accusation that I'm overexplaining (really?) doesn't make me want to back off. The fact that you laid out the timeline (I didn't read your post in detail yet) is relevant, but only makes his day 1 stuff mildly less scummy.
I see no reason at the moment to not lynch him. Complaining about me writing literally one short post and calling it overexplaining bothers me quite a bit. Hell the overexplanation complaint about Skynx is literally me just pointing out that last time I checked out skynx I came away with "not very scummy". It's a completely fabricated and bullshit accusation.
On June 20 2017 23:10 Palmar wrote:
I read a few more posts of skynx, I think I'll be unvoting him, he has a few decent posts.
Saying something like "No opinion on skynx, maybe slight townlean leftover from last time I checked him" is never, ever overexplaining anything. The fact that btdt wants it to be is just meh.
Another interesting thing is that btdt is accusing me of hedging, which I always do, always, always, always. It's just how I function is that I say things like "well he could be doing X, but I'm going to believe Y". All you have to do is look at my last game and you'll probably see a million instances (one I remember is me saying Prison Break could be cashing in on a cheap mafia newbie victory, but I'm gonna believe he's town. I was wrong).
So I'm good with where I'm at at the moment.
For the record, I actually kinda do like Skynx response to my case. It _sounds_ townie. It's still a weak toneread on like day 4 or 5 so I wouldn't put too much stock into it.
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My gut tells me this game will be solved by something like (btdt+bh+rels)-1+the scum I miss
So two out of them (at least) and possibly someone I'm writing off too cheaply.
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On June 27 2017 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont understand your case but i will try in an hour or so when i am free for a while. I know your last point is incorrect because i already had a discussion about that with btdt.
What you got on blazinghand?
poe
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On June 27 2017 00:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
Hi.
Could lynch skynx rels and idk.
Ruxx isn't scum i was just being dumb and bh either turned up the heat because scum was lynched or he's town.
I hate having a job
No likey
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I don't want to lynch Skynx btw.
I'm pretty invested in this btdt lynch at the moment. I don't really see myself changing my mind although who knows. Shit happens all the time.
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On June 27 2017 01:05 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2017 01:04 Palmar wrote:On June 27 2017 00:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
Hi.
Could lynch skynx rels and idk.
Ruxx isn't scum i was just being dumb and bh either turned up the heat because scum was lynched or he's town.
I hate having a job No likey U wanna fight or something?
ruxx and skynx aren't really good lynch targets today.
You need to take sides or at least give an opinion on me and btdt
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